Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup

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The Week That Was: 2013-08-31 (August 31, 2013) Brought to You by SEPP (www.SEPP.org) The Science and Environmental Policy Project

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Quote of the Week: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.—Voltaire [H/t J.A. Curry & P.J. Webster]

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Number of the Week: 22

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THIS WEEK:

By Ken Haapala, Executive Vice President, Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)

Distortion of Science: The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons published an article by Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, emeritus, explaining how the climate establishment has distorted science to serve political purposes. Among other points, Lindzen states climate science has become a source of authority rather than a mode of inquiry. “The real utility of science stems from the latter; the political utility from the former.” He lists several features politicized science including: 1) powerful advocacy groups claiming morality and superior wisdom; 2) simplistic depictions of the science; 3) events claimed to promote a sense of urgency; 4) scientists flattered by the public attention and 5) scientists eager to meet the public demand.

In his discussion of climate science, especially that produced by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), Lindzen produces two graphs of surface temperature increases and challenges the readers to identify which period the IPCC claims is caused by human emissions of greenhouse gases, particularly carbon dioxide (CO2), and which one is largely natural. One graph covers the period 1895-1946 and the other covers the period 1957-2008. The IPCC and the climate establishment declare that the latter period is significant, but, as Lindzen shows, the difference is trivial. The data provide no basis for the IPCC claims of Catastrophic Anthropogenic (human caused) Global warming (CAGW).

In what may be a complete definition of the climate establishment, Lindzen describes how scientists, advocates, and politicians benefit from each other’s claims and cites other examples of the politicization of science, which have been used to expand governmental power. In the end, both society and science suffer from such authoritarian expansions. Please see links under Challenging the Orthodoxy.

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Model Overestimates: As posted by Judith Curry, in its Opinion & Comment section Nature Climate Change published a paper by three members of the climate establishment comparing observed surface warming with the results of 117 model runs of 37 models. The periods cover the last 20 years and the last 15 years. The authors write that for the 20 year period the models over-estimated decadal surface warming by more than 2 times and that for the 15 year period the models over-estimated decadal surface warming by more than 4 times. They state: “[S]uch an inconsistency is only expected to occur by chance once in 500 years, if 20-year periods are considered statistically independent.”

The results are not surprising for those who have questioned IPCC claims. What is surprising is that the study was reported by members of the IPCC climate establishment and that a study questioning climate modeling was published by Nature Climate Change. Would the journal publish a similar study submitted by a scientist skeptical of the IPCC and its models?

The paper states: “In conclusion, we reject the null hypothesis that the observed and model mean trends are equal at the 10% level.” Theoretical physicist Richard Feynman may have found such statements strange, at best. As shown in the videos of some of his famous lectures, Feynman considered a hypothesis to be a guess that must tested against all relevant data from experiments and observations. In this instance, the hypothesis would be there exists a close association between model results and observations. If the hypothesis fails testing, the null is accepted. There is no close association between model results and observations. The quote is another example how the IPCC climate establishment is distorting science. Please see links under Problems in the Orthodoxy.

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The Pause: Nature published a study claiming the pause in global warming is being caused by ocean cooling, namely in increase in La Niñas, during which Pacific Ocean surfaces are cooler compared with its opposite sister, El Niños, during which Pacific Ocean surfaces are warmer. These occurrences are part of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). Of course, many in the climate establishment quickly picked this up as a compelling explanation for the pause.

This is doubly rich. Professor Bob Carter, a co-editor of the NIPCC reports, was a co-author of a paper on the frequency of El Niños influencing surface warming. The climate establishment ignored such suggestions. Now it finds it convenient to embrace the cooling effect, but not the warming effect.

A second richness comes from the current claims by some in the climate establishment that the warming is hiding in the deep ocean. A warming of the atmosphere, which is not occurring, passes to the deep oceans even though the surface of the vast Pacific Ocean is cooling!

On her web site, Judith Curry politely discusses some of the weaknesses in the study including that one must accept the assumption that climate models are useful for untangling natural from human causes of climate change. Further, she states that if one accepts the reasoning, one must accept the corollary that the PDO was a major and likely dominant cause of the warming in the last quarter of the 20th century. One of the authors of the study responded to such criticism by stating that the IPCC conclusion applies to centennial warming from 1880. This is a rather unusually reading of the meaning of the statements in the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) with clearly refer to the last half of the 20th century. Will the upcoming IPCC Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) explain climate change since 1880?

On his web site, Luboš Motl dismisses the explanations of the pause, and points out that the climate establishment has frequently claimed that small changes in global mean temperature are important and predictable, which they are not. John Brignell suggests that the pause started when independent researchers, who understand such matters, started to question the collection and processing of the data.

Please see links under Challenging the Orthodoxy and Problems in the Orthodoxy.

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Greenland: Using radar images gathered over decades by NASA, and others, international researchers discovered a large canyon in Greenland under the ice, which is up to 2 miles (3km) thick. Specifics are not yet clearly reported, but the canyon runs roughly from north-central Greenland to the northwest coast. According to reports, the canyon is at least 470 miles long (800km), six miles (9.6km) across at its widest, and up to 2,600 feet deep (780) – reaching its widest and deepest points near the coast. The Grand Canyon, by comparison, is 277 miles long, 18 miles wide, and 6,000 feet deep.

As some of the reports state, the weight of the ice has forced the center of Greenland to about 650 feet (200m) below sea level. Except for along the coasts, Greenland is large bowl of ice, formed by tall mountains with few openings to the sea. What occurs on the coast does not reflect what occurs in the interior, which has an average altitude of about 7000 feet (2130m). In 1888, Fridtjof Nansen led a team of four Norwegians and two mountain Lapps on a ski trip crossing southern Greenland from east to west at about 64 deg. North latitude. He exposed many myths about Greenland, including one that the center of the island is warm and free of ice. It is amazing that many articles on Greenland and its potential contributions to sea level rise ignore 120 year old knowledge about its geography. Hopefully, the new geographic mapping will help reduce such ignorance. Please see links under Changing Earth.

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False Precision: On her web site, Judith Curry discusses an interesting paper published in a journal of the American Statistical Society on the topic of overconfidence and false (over) precision. She uses examples from the IPCC to illustrate some important points and to explain the difference in the precision of weather forecasters compared with the false (over) precision of climate modelers. Please see link under Seeking a Common Ground.

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Wildfires: In the US, the Climate Establishment has changed the name of forest fires to wildfires, giving a false sense of urgency to do something. TWTW reader Clyde Spencer provided a link to the National Interagency Fire Center, which reports the number of fires and the total acres burned to date for each year since 2004. As of Aug 30, 2013 there were 34,256 fires and with 3,784,499 acres burned. This are well below the ten year average to date of 54,910 fires and 5,950,332 acres burned. Also for both categories, 2013 is below every year since 2004. One wonders if there may be an error in the tables that are updated daily. Please see link under Seeking a Common Ground.

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Number of the Week: 22. According to an article in Sail World, there are at least 22 yachts and other vessels in Arctic waters in and around the Northwest Passage. This week ice blocked the passage on both ends. How many vessels are equipped to spend the season in the ice – up to July? Before undertaking such adventures, the yachts owners should read the exploits of the Greenland skier Fridtjof Nansen and the adventures of the Fram, as relayed by Farley Mowat in The Polar Passion.

In hopes to reach the North Pole, Nansen had the Fram specially designed and built with a rounded hull to withstand the ice. When the ice closed, rather than crush it, the ice would raise the boat out of the water (and ice). In the summer of 1893 he and his crew deliberately drove the Fram into the ice. When the ocean currents failed to carry the Fram to the North Pole, Nansen left the vessel in charge of Otto Sverdrup, while he made an unsuccessful effort to reach the pole over the ice. After almost three years, the Fram was finally freed of ice. The voyage provided a great deal of scientific information about the Arctic Ocean, including its depth, which was speculated to be very shallow. Please see link under Changing Weather.

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ARTICLES:

For the numbered articles below please see this week’s TWTW at: http://www.sepp.org. The articles are at the end of the pdf.

1. Study Shines Light on Tremors and Fracking in South Texas’ Eagle Ford Shale

Removing Oil, Water From Ground Allows Surrounding Rock to Settle

By Tom Fowler, WSJ, Aug 27, 2013

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324906304579037181315480254.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories

[SEPP Comment: The tremors are from extraction of oil and water, not from hydraulic fracturing.]

2. California’s Smoke Signals

San Francisco’s power emergency is a warning about green mandates.

Editorial, WSJ, Aug 26, 2013

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323407104579034680037579034.html?mod=ITP_opinion_2

3. Giant Texas Refinery Battered by Accidents After $10 Billion Upgrade

Fires, Leaks Cripple Largest Refinery in U.S. After Owners Shell and Saudi Aramco Invested to Double Capacity

By Ben Lefebvre and Alison Sider, WSJ, Aug 23, 2013

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323980604579030961699637196.html?mod=WSJ_Energy

[SEPP Comment: No organization, private or public, is immune from mistakes. The issue is do the organizations learn from their mistakes.]

4. Fracking Debate Divides New York

By Erica Orden, WSJ, Aug 25, 2013

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323980604579030992603209018.html?mod=WSJ_Energy_2_4_Right

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NEWS YOU CAN USE:

Challenging the Orthodoxy

MIT professor: global warming is a ‘religion’

By Michael Bastasch, Daily Caller, Aug 29, 2013 [H/t WUWT]

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/29/mit-professor-global-warming-is-a-religion/

Link to essay: Science in the Public Square: Global Climate Alarmism and Historical Precedents

By Richard Lindzen, Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Fall 2013

http://www.jpands.org/vol18no3/lindzen.pdf

Protecting the Environment

By Vincent Gray, NZ Climate Truth Newsletter No 314, Aug 28, 2013

http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/protecting-environment.html

If warmists would only tell the truth…

By Barry Brill, Quadrant, Aug 30, 2013

http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2013/08/if-warmists-would-only-tell-the-truth

Climate Deception: How The “Hottest” Temperature Game Is Played To Offset Prediction Failures

By Tim Ball, A Different Perspective, Aug 24, 2013

http://drtimball.com/2013/climate-deception-how-the-hottest-temperature-game-is-played-to-offset-prediction-failures/

The zombie theory

By John Brignell, Number Watch, Aug 26, 2013

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/2013%20August.htm#zombie

Pacific waters as an excuse for the warming hiatus

By Luboš Motl, Reference Frame, Aug 30, 2013

http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/08/pacific-waters-as-excuse-for-warming.html#more

Historical Temperature Trends in China

By Staff Writers, SPPI & CO2 Science, Aug 28, 2013

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/historical_temperature_trends_in_china.html

Link to pdf: http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/china_historical_trends.pdf

Medieval Warm Period in the Arctic

By Staff Writers, SPPI & CO2 Science, Aug 28, 2013

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/medieval_warm_period_in_the_artic.html

Defending the Orthodoxy

Can UN scientists revive drive against climate change?

By Richard Ingham, AFP, Aug 25, 2013 [H/t WUWT]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hHmcL4DZjT-PZWhEHO3VDb5gjsrA?docId=CNG.db54bf0fa84dd93ad7cf71578fe1dcef.681

Climate leaks are ‘misleading’ says IPCC ahead of major report

By Matt McGrath, BBC, Aug 19, 2013 [H/t GWPF]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23755901

Humans’ complicity in climate change can’t be ignored

Editorial, Washington Post, Aug 26, 2013 [H/t Timothy Wise]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-global-warming-warning-cant-be-ignored/2013/08/26/448eb232-0c39-11e3-9941-6711ed662e71_story.html

NEXT MONTH, the international arbiter of the scientific consensus on global warming will release its latest evaluation of the state of the research.

Climate: The sun’s role is important, but it’s just a cameo

By Freya Roberts, Carbon Brief, Aug 28, 2013

http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2013/08/suns-role-in-climate-small-compared-to-greenhouse-gases,-but-significant/?utm_source=Weekly+Carbon+Briefing&utm_campaign=849ea0cd39-Carbon_Brief_Weekly_18_7_137_18_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3ff5ea836a-849ea0cd39-215218249

[SEPP Comment: Contrary to the author’s statements, the role of the sun is not limited to sunlight.]

Questioning the Orthodoxy

The New York Times’ Global Warming Hysteria Ignores 17 Years Of Flat Global Temperatures

By Larry Bell, Forbes, Aug 21, 2013

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/08/21/the-new-york-times-global-warming-hysteria-ignores-17-years-of-flat-global-temperatures/

Climate Change Editorial by the Washington Post contains many mis-statements, half-truths, and omissions. Reply by a scientist is warranted

By Robert Endlich, Climate Depot, Aug 29, 2013

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/08/29/retired-u-s-air-force-meteorologist-smacks-down-washington-post-for-editorial-full-of-mis-statements-half-truths-and-omissions/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ClimateDepot+%28Climate+Depot%29

[SEPP Comment: Contrary to the author’s statement, the change in sea level near Pevensey Castle may be due to local factors, not a decline in global sea level.]

High School Science Discredits The New York Times’ Latest Global Warming Whopper

By Patrick Michaels, Forbes, Aug 29, 2013 [H/t WUWT]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmichaels/2013/08/29/high-school-science-discredits-the-new-york-times-latest-global-warming-whopper/

Another Climate Embarrassment

By Steven Hayward, Power Line, Aug 28, 2013

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/08/another-climate-embarrassment.php

[SEPP Comment: As the author states, the correct conclusion from the graph is Nothing.]

Global warming is ‘no longer a planetary emergency’

By Christopher Monckton, WUWT, Aug 28, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/28/global-warming-is-no-longer-a-planetary-emergency/

[SEPP Comment: Latest from the World Federation of Scientists.]

Another Paper Blames ENSO for the Warming Hiatus

By Bob Tisdale, Climate Observations, Aug 28, 2013

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2013/08/28/another-paper-blames-enso-for-the-warming-hiatus/

Betting Against Apocalyptic Thinking

The Simon-Ehrlich Wager

By Roger Pielke Jr, Breakthrough Institute, Aug 28, 2013

http://thebreakthrough.org/index.php/voices/roger-pielke-jr/betting-against-apocalyptic-thinking/

Problems in the Orthodoxy

Overestimated global warming over the past 20 years

By Judith Curry, Climate Etc., Aug 28, 2013

http://judithcurry.com/2013/08/28/overestimated-global-warming-over-the-past-20-years/

Link to paper: Overestimated global warming over the past 20 years

By Fyfe, Gillett, and Zwiers, Nature Climate Change, Aug 28, 2013

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n9/full/nclimate1972.html?WT.ec_id=NCLIMATE-201309

Pause tied to equatorial Pacific surface cooling

By Judith Curry, Climate Etc. Aug 28, 2013

http://judithcurry.com/2013/08/28/pause-tied-to-equatorial-pacific-surface-cooling/

Link to paper: Recent global-warming hiatus tied to equatorial Pacific surface cooling

By Yu Kosaka & Shang-Ping Xie, Nature, Aug 28, 2013

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12534.html

Leading IPCC Scientist Concedes Oceans Have “Profound Effect On Average Global Surface Air Temperature”

GEOMAR Helmholtz Centre for Ocean Research Kiel has issued a press release.

By P Gosselin, Trans, No Tricks Zone, Aug 26, 2013

http://notrickszone.com/2013/08/26/leading-ipcc-scientist-concedes-oceans-have-profound-effect-on-average-global-surface-air-temperature/

Spiegel: Scientists Hopelessly Stumped By Present Ocean Cooling, Still Insist They Are Certain About The Future!

By P Gosselin, No Tricks Zone, Aug 29, 2013

http://notrickszone.com/2013/08/29/spiegel-scientists-hopelessly-stumped-by-present-ocean-cooling-still-insist-they-are-certain-about-the-future/

Pacific cooling explains break in global warming, study shows

By Alister Doyle, Reuters, Aug 28, 2013 [H/t Clyde Spencer]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/28/20233989-pacific-cooling-explains-break-in-global-warming-study-shows?chromedomain=te

Pause politics

By Judith Curry, Climate Etc. Aug 30, 2013

http://judithcurry.com/2013/08/30/pause-politics/#more-12782

Global Warming Slowdown Data Sought in UN Climate Report

By Alex Morales, Bloomberg, Aug 29, 2013 [H/t GWPF]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-29/global-warming-slowdown-data-sought-in-un-climate-report.html

EU’s Oettinger warns against Germany cutting renewable subsidies

By Christoph Steitz, Reuters, Aug 26, 2013

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/08/26/uk-renewables-eu-idUKBRE97P0FS20130826

Seeking a Common Ground

Revisiting Wood’s 1909 Greenhouse Box Experiment, Part II: First Results

By Roy Spencer, His Blog, Aug 26, 2013

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/08/revisiting-woods-1909-greenhouse-box-experiment-part-ii-first-results/

[SEPP Comment: Spencer continues with his basic test of the greenhouse effect. The test may make a good high school science fair project.]

Inadequate uncertainty analysis in climate change assessments

By Judith Curry, Climate Etc. Aug 30, 2013

http://judithcurry.com/2013/08/30/inadequate-uncertainty-analysis-in-climate-change-assessments/#more-12741

I know I’m right (?)

By Judith Curry, Climate Etc. Aug 26, 2013

http://judithcurry.com/2013/08/26/i-know-im-right/#more-12660

Who is on which ‘side’ in the climate debate, anyways

By Judith Curry, Climate Etc. Aug 24, 2013

http://judithcurry.com/2013/08/24/who-is-on-which-side-in-the-climate-debate-anyways/#more-12697

National Interagency Fire Center

By Staff Writers, NIFC, Aug 30, 2013 [H/t Clyde Spencer]

http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm

Questioning European Green

The Dangerous Greenies Are in Brussels, Not Balcombe,

By Christopher Booker, Sunday Telegraph, Aug 25, 2013

http://www.thegwpf.org/christopher-booker-dangerous-greenies-brussels-balcombe/

A little fractious

Why even shale gas may not reignite a flagging green movement

Editorial, The Economist, Aug 24, 2013 [H/t GWPF]

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21584014-why-even-shale-gas-may-not-reignite-flagging-green-movement-little-fractious

Wind turbines clutter the north German countryside

By Steve Goreham, Washington Times, Aug 28, 2013

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/climatism-watching-climate-science/2013/aug/28/wind-turbines-clutter-north-german-countryside/

BPI warns energy costs are deterring UK investment

By Staff Writer, Herald Scotland, Aug 28, 2013

http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/company-news/bpi-warns-energy-costs-are-deterring-uk-investment.1377683192

Communicating Better to the Public – Exaggerate, or be Vague?

People Don’t Fear Climate Change Enough

By Cass R. Sunstein, Bloomberg, Aug 27, 2013

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-27/people-don-t-fear-climate-change-enough.html

[SEPP Comment: The Harvard Law School professor believes we must create fear in the population to achieve the political goals he desires. This is an example of Lindzen’s Iron Rice Bowl.]

Clanging of the bells on extreme weather change

By Bob Fernley-Jones, WTWT, Aug 28, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/28/clanging-of-the-bells-on-extreme-weather-change/

[SEPP Comment: Statistical tricks in Australia.]

Fabricating Climate Doom – Part 3: Extreme Weather Extinctions Enron Style

An Illusion of Extreme Climate Disruption

By Jim Steel, WUWT, Aug 25, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/25/fabricating-climate-doom-part-3-extreme-weather-extinctions-enron-style/

Spy satellite data reveal vulnerability of East Antarctica Ice Sheet

By Laura Poppick, Live Science, NBC, Aug 28, 2013

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/spy-satellite-data-reveal-vulnerability-east-antarctica-ice-sheet-8C11027906

[SEPP Comment: The data reveal change, not vulnerability.]

Communicating Better to the Public – Make things up.

Day of the ‘UnGreens’ – Dreaming up scary language to convince people global warming is really just like a scary movie

By Andrew Watts, WUWT, Aug 24, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/24/day-of-the-ungreens-dreaming-up-scary-language-to-convince-people-global-warming-is-really-just-like-a-scary-movie/

Al Gore’s Global Warming Desperation

By Tom Blumer, Front Page, Aug 29, 2013 [H/t WUWT]

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/tom-blumer/al-gores-global-warming-desperation/

[SEPP Comment: The article highlights Al Gore at his worst.]

Cook’s 97% climate consensus paper crumbles upon examination

By Bjørn Lomborg, WUWT, Aug 28, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/28/cooks-97-climate-consensus-paper-crumbles-upon-examination/

[SEPP Comment: This 97% is getting smaller all the time.]

New York Times environmental journalist Justin Gillis is wrong

By Bjørn Lomborg, WUWT, Aug 24, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/24/lomborg-new-york-times-environmental-journalist-justin-gillis-is-wrong/

[SEPP Comment: The lack of fact checkers at the NYT.]

James Hansen’s many and varied furphies

By John Happs, Quadrant, Aug 26, 2013

http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2013/08/james-hansen-s-many-and-varied-furphies

[SEPP Comment: Furphy is Australian slang for rumor.]

Models v. Observations

The 200 months of ‘the pause’

By Christopher Monckton, WUWT, Aug 27, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/27/the-200-months-of-the-pause/

Driessen, Legates: Guessing at Delaware’s ‘future weather’

By David Legates and Paul Driessen, ICECAP, Aug 28, 2013

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/driessen_legates_guessing_at_delawares_future_weather/

[SEPP Comment: Some may disagree about the best time to measure enhanced greenhouse effect.]

Measurement Issues

Urban Heat Island – could it account for much of the century scale warming attributed to AGW?

By Joseph D’Aleo, ICECAP, Aug 28, 2013

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/new-and-cool/urban_heat_island_could_it_account_for_most_warming_attributed_to_agw/

Changing Weather

North West Passage blocked with ice – yachts caught

By Douglas Pohl, Sail World, Aug 29, 2013 [H/t WUWT]

http://www.sail-world.com/USA/North-West-Passage-blocked-with-ice%E2%80%94yachts-caught/113788

Snowfall in South America

By Argiris Diamantis, WUWT, Aug 29, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/29/snowfall-in-south-america/

Minimum Temperature Heat Wave Hits the Northwest!

By Cliff Mass, Weather Blog, Aug 29, 2013

http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2013/08/minimum-temperature-heat-wave-hits.html

[SEPP Comment: Natural greenhouse gas warming – water vapor.]

The Great Labor Day Hurricane of 1935

By Donald Baucom, WUWT, Aug 29, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/29/the-great-labor-day-hurricane-of-1935/

[SEPP Comment: Sandy does not come close.]

Changing Climate

Aulacomnium turgidum

By Daniel Mosquim, UBC Botanical Garden, Aug 20, 2013 [H/t Cork Hayden]

http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/potd/2013/08/aulacomnium-turgidum.php

[SEPP Comment: Buried under ice 400 to 615 years ago.]

Retreating Alaskan Glacier Reveals Remains Of Medieval Forest

By Paul Homewood, Not a Lot of People Know That, Aug 26, 2013

http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/retreating-alaskan-glacier-reveals-remains-of-medieval-forest/

Climate change could make Greenland green by 2100

By John Von Radowitz, Independent, Aug 28, 2013

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/climate-change-could-make-greenland-green-by-2100-8786840.html?utm_source=Weekly+Carbon+Briefing&utm_campaign=849ea0cd39-Carbon_Brief_Weekly_18_7_137_18_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3ff5ea836a-849ea0cd39-215218249

[SEPP Comment: For the fringes!]

 

Changing Seas

Ice sheet collapse,

By Rud Istvan, Climate Etc. Aug 30, 2013

http://judithcurry.com/2013/08/30/ice-sheet-collapse/#more-12791

[SEPP Comment: Issues with a recent study of the historic Western Australian shoreline suggesting a collapse of the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet. This report suggests it may have been a tectonic movement of the Australian plate.]

Changing Cryosphere – Land / Sea Ice

Spreading out

Antarctic sea ice nears record extent once again

Total sea ice extent around Antarctica reach a record or near-record high in August 2013, part of a long-term trend.

By Staff Writers, The Antarctic Sun, Aug 22, 2013

http://antarcticsun.usap.gov/science/contenthandler.cfm?id=2889

[SEPP Comment: Near record Again?]

New paper finds the majority of East Antarctic glaciers have advanced in size since 1990

By Staff Writer, The Hockey Schtick, Aug 28, 2013

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.it/2013/08/new-paper-finds-majority-of-east.html

[SEPP Comment: 63 percent retreated from 1974 to 1990, 72 percent advanced from 1990 to 2000, and 58 percent advanced from 2000 to 2010. Changes are on the warmer western South Pacific coast and no significant changes on the cooler Ross Sea coast.]

Changing Earth

Greenland has its own Grand Canyon deep under ice, study says

Greenland’s ‘grand canyon’ was part of a large river system before an ice sheet covered it millions of years ago, a new study says. Now it appears to be a vital part of the island’s plumbing

By Pete Spotts, Christian Science Monitor, Aug 29, 2013 [H/t WUWT]

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2013/0829/Greenland-has-its-own-Grand-Canyon-deep-under-ice-study-says

Huge canyon discovered under Greenland ice

By Roger Harrabin, BBC, Aug 29, 2013

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23866810

Acidic Waters

Will earth experience extra warming as oceans acidify?

By Freya Roberts, Carbon Brief, Aug 25, 2013

http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2013/08/expect-extra-warming-as-oceans-acidify,-says-study?utm_source=Weekly+Carbon+Briefing&utm_campaign=849ea0cd39-Carbon_Brief_Weekly_18_7_137_18_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3ff5ea836a-849ea0cd39-215218249

Link to paper: Global warming amplified by reduced sulphur fluxes as a result of ocean acidification

By Six, et al, Nature Climate Change, Aug 25, 2013

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1981.html

[SEPP Comment: Perhaps unbeknown to Roberts, waters with a pH range of 7.6 to 8.3 are alkaline, not acidic.]

Review of Recent Scientific Articles by NIPCC

For a full list of articles see www.NIPCCreport.org

The Importance of Length-of-Record in Assessing Sea Level Change

Reference: Scafetta, N. 2013. Multi-scale dynamical analysis (MSDA) of sea level records versus PDO, AMO, and NAO indexes. Climate Dynamics: 10.1007/s00382-013-1771-3.

http://nipccreport.org/articles/2013/aug/27aug2013a1.html

“long-term sea level variations are driven by numerous coupled processes arising from an interaction of eustatic sea level rise and glacial isostatic subsidence, long-term tidal and solar cycles, oscillations of ocean circulation, variations in temperature and/or salinity and other factors that can be also characteristic of the specific geographical location.”

[SEPP Comment: No matter how precise satellite measurements of sea levels are, they are subject to natural variability.]

Rainfall Measurements Throughout Northeast India: AD 1871-2008

Reference: Jain, S.K., Kumar, V. and Saharia, M. 2013. Analysis of rainfall and temperature trends in northeast India. International Journal of Climatology 33: 968-978.

http://nipccreport.org/articles/2013/aug/27aug2013a4.html

[SEPP Comment: No sign of any significant trend attributable to warming.]

The Multiple Impacts of “Ocean Acidification” on a Tropical Coral

Reference: Takahashi, A. and Kurihara, H. 2013. Ocean acidification does not affect the physiology of the tropical coral Acropora digitifera during a 5-week experiment. Coral Reefs 32: 305-314.

http://nipccreport.org/articles/2013/aug/28aug2013a1.html

Two Millennia of Climate Change on the Northern Tibetan Plateau

Reference: He, Y.-X., Liu, W.-G., Zhao, C., Wang, Z., Wang, H.-Y., Liu, Y., Qin, X.-Y., Hu, Q.-H., An, Z.-S. and Liu, Z.-H. 2013. Solar influenced late Holocene temperature changes on the northern Tibetan Plateau. Chinese Science Bulletin 58: 1053-1059.

http://nipccreport.org/articles/2013/aug/28aug2013a3.html

Litigation Issues

Federal Court Allows Public Nuisance Lawsuits Even When Power Plants Comply with Air Permits

By Sonal Patel, Power Mag, Aug 28, 2013

http://www.powermag.com/federal-court-allows-public-nuisance-lawsuits-even-when-power-plants-comply-with-air-permits/?hq_e=el&hq_m=2737000&hq_l=4&hq_v=5e660500d0

Exclusive: UN ruling puts future of UK wind farms in jeopardy

Tribunal warns that the Government acted illegally by denying public participation

By Margareta Pagano, Independent, UK, Aug 27, 2013 [H/t GWPF]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exclusive-un-ruling-puts-future-of-uk-wind-farms-in-jeopardy-8786831.html

Subsidies and Mandates Forever

Switzerland plans radical solar subsidy cuts

By Sandra Enkhardt, PV Magazine, Aug 23, 2013

http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/switzerland-plans-radical-solar-subsidy-cuts_100012484/#axzz2crfI3xba

EPA and other Regulators on the March

Energy Dept. unveils new efficiency regs

By Zack Colman, The Hill, Aug 29, 2013

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/319507-energy-dept-unveils-new-efficiency-regs

[SEPP Comment: Government agencies believe they have the power and the ability to determine how consumers and businesses can best save energy.]

Energy secretary defends ‘social cost of carbon’ boost

By Ben Geman, The Hill, Aug 26, 2013

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/318777-moniz-defends-social-cost-of-carbon-boost

Feds change endangered species law rules despite GOP protest

By Julian Hattem, The Hill, Aug 26, 2013

http://thehill.com/blogs/regwatch/pending-regs/318829-gop-protest-change-to-endangered-species-law

Feds launch ‘Bakken Blitz’ of oil-by-rail inspections

By Ben Geman, The Hill, Aug 29, 2013

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/319459-feds-launch-bakken-blitz-of-oil-by-rail-inspections

Energy Issues – Non-US

Energy Department: World oil use hit new high in 2012

By Ben Geman, The Hill, Aug 26, 2013

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/318749-energy-dept-world-oil-use-hit-new-high-in-2012

Link to Report: World petroleum use sets record high in 2012 despite declines in North America and Europe

By Staff Writers, EIA, Aug 26, 2013

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=12691

Making Energy Access Meaningful

By Roger Pielke Jr. His Blog, Aug 28, 2013

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2013/08/making-energy-access-meaningful.html

Link to paper by same name

By Morgan Bazilian and Roger Pielke, Jr. Issues in Science and Technology, Summer 2013

http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/admin/publication_files/2013.22.pdf

It’s a ‘fracking’ good opportunity

By G. Parthasarathy, The Hindu, Aug 29, 2013 [H/t GWPF]

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/columns/g-parthasarathy/its-a-fracking-good-opportunity/article5072070.ece

[SEPP Comment: A perspective on the changing geopolitical considerations with the US development of oil and natural gas from shale.]

U.S. fracking is transforming the geopolitical landscape

By Rob Cox and Christopher Swann, Reuters, Aug 28, 2013 [H/t GWPF]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/us-fracking-is-transforming-the-geopolitical-landscape/article14003303/

Why Is Vladimir Putin Acting So Crazy?

By Brian Bremner, Bloomberg Businessweek, Aug 29, 2013 [H/t GWPF]

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-29/can-vladimir-putin-survive-americas-energy-boom

Reports: Future Coal and Nuclear Prone to Market Forces, Gas Expansion

By Sonal Patel, Power Mag, Aug 27, 2013

http://www.powermag.com/reports-future-coal-and-nuclear-prone-to-market-forces-gas-expansion/?hq_e=el&hq_m=2737000&hq_l=3&hq_v=5e660500d0

Estonia Becomes Self-Sufficient on Shale Gas Boom

By Ambrose Evans-Prichard, Daily Telegraph, via GWPF, Aug 26, 2013

http://www.thegwpf.org/estonia-self-sufficient-shale-gas-boom/

[SEPP Comment: The headline is misleading. The shale must be heated to produce kerogen. This is not the same as oil from shale.]

Energy Issues — US

Obama administration announces plan to boost NJ Transit energy grid

By Keith Laing, The Hill, Aug 24, 2013

http://thehill.com/blogs/transportation-report/public-transit/318751-obama-administration-announces-plan-to-boost-nj-transit-energy-grid

[SEPP Comment: What is the source of highly reliable electric power during storms – wind power?]

Washington’s Control of Energy

Decision on Keystone pipeline likely delayed until 2014

By Sean Lengell, Washington Examiner, Aug 26, 2013

http://washingtonexaminer.com/decision-on-keystone-pipeline-likely-delayed-until-2014/article/2534717?utm_source=Washington%20Examiner:%20Politics%20Today%20Reoccurring%20-%2008/27/2013&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Washington%20Examiner:%20Politics%20Today

[SEPP Comment: Washington has plenty of jobs. Except for oil rich North Dakota and Texas, it is the rest of the country that is hurting.]

Oil and Natural Gas – the Future or the Past?

North America: An Oil and Gas Powerhouse

By Marita Noon, Energy Tribune, Aug 28, 2013

http://www.energytribune.com/78963/north-america-an-oil-and-gas-powerhouse#sthash.JulQMe4O.dpbs

America’s shale revolution is providing significant economic and environmental benefits; CO2 per capita lowest since 1964

By Mark Perry, AEIdeas, Aug 26, 2013 [H/t GWPF]

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/08/americas-shale-revolution-is-providing-significant-economic-and-environmental-benefits-co2-per-capita-lowest-since-1964/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+aei-ideas%2Fposts+%28AEIdeas+Posts%29&utm_content=Bloglines

EOG Resources’ Shale Oil Secrets: Rail Lines And Sand Mines

By Christopher Helman, Forbes Staff, Jul 24, 2013

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/07/24/eog-resources-shale-oil-secrets-rail-lines-and-sand-mines/

[SEPP Comment: The interesting statistics include $7.5 million per well and estimated 8% recovery rate for oil from shale.]

Here Are the Facts about Fracking

By Robert Mair, Daily Telegraph, via GWPF, Aug 27, 2013

http://www.thegwpf.org/prof-robert-mair-facts-fracking/

Large methane hydrate deposits likely in Sea of Japan

By Staff Writers, Asahi Shibun, Aug 28, 2013 [H/t GWPF]

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/economy/business/AJ201308280046

Why Sand Is The Latest Front In The War On Fracking (Yes, Sand)

By Christopher Helman, Forbes Staff, Aug 22, 2013 [H/t Bishop Hill]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/08/22/a-new-target-for-fracking-opponents-sand-mines/

The Resurgence of American Exports: Manufacturing and Natural Gas

By William O’Keefe, Fuel Fix, Aug 23, 2013

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2013/08/23/the-resurgence-of-american-exports-manufacturing-and-natural-gas/

Return of King Coal?

Sorry Apple, There’s Still Coal In The Green iPhone

By Mark Mills, Energy Facts Weekly, Aug 28, 2013

http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=29bc7d5d85828d574f86c157a&id=8a1c319197&e=

King Coal Gets Fatter, While The US Goes on a Diet

By Robert Rapier, Energy Tribune, Aug 26, 2013

http://www.energytribune.com/78923/king-coal-gets-fatter-while-the-us-goes-on-a-diet#sthash.obF0EgXv.dpbs

Nuclear Energy and Fears

Entergy to Shutter its Vermont Nuclear Plant

Competition from Natural Gas is a Key Factor

By Ken Silverstein, Energy Biz, Aug 27, 2013 [H/t GWPF]

http://www.energybiz.com/article/13/08/entergy-shutter-its-vermont-nuclear-plant

Japan notifies IAEA of Fukushima Daiichi level 3 INES rating

By Staff Writers, IAEA, Aug 28, 2013

http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/2013/ines3.html

[SEPP Comment: The rating denotes a ‘serious incident.’]

Alternative, Green (“Clean”) Solar and Wind

The Wind Farms That Generate Enough Power to make a Few Cups of Tea

By Robert Mendick, Sunday Telegraph, via GWPF, Aug 25, 2013

http://www.thegwpf.org/wind-farms-generate-power-cups-tea/

Harbor windmills are no bargain for Massachusetts residents

By Diana Furchtgott Roth, Washington Examiner, Aug 27, 2013

http://washingtonexaminer.com/harbor-windmills-are-no-bargain-for-massachusetts-residents/article/2534777?utm_source=Washington%20Examiner:%20Opinion%20Digest%20Reoccurring%20-%2008/29/2013&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Washington%20Examiner:%20Opinion%20Digest

Green Energy Needs to be Cheaper

So let’s invest in R&D instead of subsidies.

By Bjørn Lomborg, Slate, Aug 25, 2013

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/project_syndicate/2013/08/green_energy_subsidies_for_solar_and_wind_power_aren_t_helping_let_s_invest.html

[SEPP Comment: Subsidizing inferior electrical generation is not investing.]

California Dreaming

Renewables Scam

By Donn Dears, Power for USA, Aug 30, 2013

http://dddusmma.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/renewables-scam/

Court to hear challenges to cap-and-trade auction

By Christopher Arns, Sacramento Business Journal, Aug 27, 2013 [H/t Junk Science]

http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2013/08/27/cap-and-trade-emissions-challenges.html

[SEPP Comment: Obligatory propaganda photo for an article on invisible CO2 – a chimney billowing dark smoke – probably steam taken under special lighting or taken with special lenses.]

Oh Mann!

Mann: Reality and threats of climate change are clear

By Michael Mann, Richmond Times-Dispatch, Aug 24, 2013 [H/t Timothy Wise]

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/their-opinion/columnists-blogs/guest-columnists/mann-reality-and-threats-of-climate-change-are-clear/article_1983741c-cb17-5764-af49-3814d2dc87f0.html

Environmental Industry

Fossil Fuel Self-Defense

By Alex Epstein, Master Resource, Aug 30, 2013

http://www.masterresource.org/2013/08/fossil-fuel-self-defense/#more-27366

[SEPP Comment: A series of columns suggesting ideas on how to address environmental zealots such as Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. who claims Coal is a Crime and a poison. Kennedy promoted the discredited idea that childhood vaccinations cause autism, based on a single study subsequently withdrawn. Now, he is New York Governor Cuomo’s go to man on the science of hydraulic fracturing of shale! Please see Article # 4.]

Today’s Scores From The Arctic – Russian Coastguard 1 Greenpeace 0

By Tory Aardvark, His Blog, Aug 27, 2013

http://toryaardvark.com/2013/08/27/todays-scores-from-the-arctic-russian-coastguard-1-greenpeace-0/

Other Scientific News

Odds Are, It’s Wrong

Science fails to face the shortcomings of statistics

By Tom Siegfried, Science News [H/t Clyde Spencer]

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/57091/description/Odds_Are_Its_Wrong

UA Astronomers Take Sharpest Photos Ever of the Night Sky

By Daniel Stolte, AU, University Communications, Aug 20, 2013 [H/t WUWT]

http://uanews.org/story/ua-astronomers-take-sharpest-photos-ever-of-the-night-sky

Other News that May Be of Interest

Yosemite Smoke Affects the Northwest and the Rest of the U.S.

Cliff Mass, Weather Blog, Aug 26, 2013

http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2013/08/yosemite-smoke-affects-northwest-and.html

When life gives you fracked water, make methane hydrate

By Anthony Watts, WUWT, Aug 28, 2013

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/28/when-life-gives-you-fracked-water-make-methane-hydrate/

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BELOW THE BOTTOM LINE:

Vanishing ocean smell could also mean fewer clouds

By John Upton, Grist, Aug 27, 2013

http://grist.org/news/vanishing-ocean-smell-could-also-mean-fewer-clouds/

World-first pilot plant to turn carbon dioxide into rock

By Dan Cox, ABC, AU, Aug 23, 2013 [H/t Toshio Fujita]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/technology/news/article/-/18627282/world-first-pilot-plant-to-turn-carbon-dioxide-into-rock/

With An ‘All-Out’ Federal Renewable Energy Strategy, How Long Before We Could Be 100% Renewably Powered?

Probably 20-30 years to get to 70-80%, but 80 years to get the last 20-30%.

By Mark Rogowsky, Forbes, Aug 22, 2013 [H/t Toshio Fujita]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2013/08/22/with-an-all-out-federal-renewable-energy-strategy-how-long-before-we-could-be-100-renewably-powered/

[SEPP Comment: What planet is he on?]

Why the U.S. Power Grid’s Days Are Numbered

By Chris Martin, Mark Chediak, and Ken Wells, By Bloomberg Businessweek, Aug 22, 2013 [H/t Toshio Fujita]

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-22/homegrown-green-energy-is-making-power-utilities-irrelevant

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15 thoughts on “Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup

  1. Unfortunately, in the Quadrant article by Barry Brill he makes an elementary arithmetic error early on (which does not per se invalidate the rest, however).

    This would not apply if sensitivity is close to 2°C. In round figures, assuming sensitivity of 3°C, the IPCC estimates that each 1ppm of CO2 will add about 1°C (at current saturation levels). As CO2 has accumulated at 2ppm/decade, temperatures should have risen by about 3°C during the last 15 years. So a reduction of 30% would still leave 2°C of “missing heat”.

    3°C Sensitivity is, of course, per doubling. So 1 ppm increase does not imply “about 1°C (at current saturation levels).”, but rather about 3/400 ° per ppm.

  2. “Except for along the coasts, Greenland is large bowl of ice, formed by tall mountains with few openings to the sea”
    So is the inference that the contribution to sea level rise is really the rate at which the melt can escape the rim of the natural bowl? I wonder what percent of the total ice volume is within this geologic bowl and how many centuries it would take to run off.

  3. Birdieshooter says:
    September 1, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    “Except for along the coasts, Greenland is large bowl of ice, formed by tall mountains with few openings to the sea”
    So is the inference that the contribution to sea level rise is really the rate at which the melt can escape the rim of the natural bowl? I wonder what percent of the total ice volume is within this geologic bowl and how many centuries it would take to run off.

    =======================================================================
    A hypothetical question. Since a given volume of ice when melted would result in a smaller volume of water, if all of Greenland’s ice melted how much would actually run into the sea and how much would stay behind to form “Lake More Superior”?

  4. OT — I was just watching The Weather Channel this evening, and they had a segment on extreme weather events this year. They started out by saying that the 2013 hurricane season started right on schedule with Tropical Storm (didn’t get the name) making U.S. landfall (in FL) in early July. They also said that so far, no hurricanes have made landfall. However, they didn’t mention that there were NO hurricanes available to make landfall.

  5. Years ago in Australia we had bushfires. Now we have wildfires! Same thing name change to follow the USA experts!

  6. Lindzen has been paid directly by Exxon Mobil, and is associated with the Heartland Institute and Marshall Institute. Just sayin’.

    REPLY: Josh Caley from Connecticut (who has posted here on WUWT as Caley, JC, and Jcales, usually with the same sort of hateful rhetoric) seems too timid to come right out and say “Watts is a moron” by putting his name to it. There fixed that for you sir. Feel free to be as upset as you wish. – Anthony

  7. Watts is a moron says:

    September 2, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    ++++++++++++
    I just happened by Anthony’s “recent comments” sidebar and saw your handle.
    I figured clicking on your comment might be worth the price of admission.
    I was wrong.
    Just sayin’.

  8. Watts is a moron says: September 2, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    Lindzen has been paid directly by Exxon Mobil, and is associated with the Heartland Institute and Marshall Institute. Just sayin’
    ———————————————————————
    I have never understood how “You are in the pay of Big Oil” is an epithet while being in the pay of Big Government is not viewed critically. I am an engineer and have directly worked for Shell and Exxon, as well as several federal government entities. In my experience, the oil companies are just trying to do their job, which is to create wealth by getting oil and gas out of the ground and turning it into desirable products. That job requires facts and hard work, and pays taxes. It also requires wading through an ever-changing sea of government regulations, and if those are not met, there are civil and criminal penalties for company employees.

    Government agencies, on the other hand, are in the business of spending money, and in my experience, neither truth nor efficiency get much respect. Furthermore, if government bureaucrats make big mistakes, there are rarely any penalties. Why are climate scientists, who are mostly in the pay of Big Government, not questioned about their motives?

  9. Comment from an earlier thread on WUWT:

    Merovign says:
    August 31, 2013 at 12:36 am

    Model-based evidence? Is that like speculation-based fact?

    ====================

    My vote for “Quote of the week”

  10. “Antarctic sea ice nears record extent once again

    Total sea ice extent around Antarctica reach a record or near-record high in August 2013, part of a long-term trend.”

    An official from KNMI stopped by Judy Curry’s a few days ago (Pause Politics thread) to explain that increasing antarctic sea ice is due to AGW. There’s an explanation for everything (and it never comes before the events happen).

  11. “Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.—Voltaire”

    Was he certain of that?

    “Merovign says:
    August 31, 2013 at 12:36 am

    Model-based evidence? Is that like speculation-based fact?

    ====================

    My vote for “Quote of the week””

    That is awfully good.

  12. Just wondering. Is someone or some group planning on doing a review of the new IPCC report when it comes out? Singer’s group? Others?

    It seems like a chapter by chapter review of the IPCC report including the summary would be for the good of the order. In addition, my suspicion is that there will be “missing chapters” on topics that the IPCC does not want to touch.

  13. Vladimir Putin is still kinda living in the old USSR.
    But look on the bright side, John McCain was beating the war drums at Russia over Georgia. (Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq) Had he won in 2008 we may have all been dead by now from nukes or AT LEAST twice as in debt. Whew…

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