Major Danish Daily Warns: “Globe May Be On Path To Little Ice Age…Much Colder Winters…Dramatic Consequences”!
Pierre Gosselin writes:
Another major European media outlet is asking: Where’s the global warming?
Image right: The August 7 edition of Denmark’s Jyllands-Posten, featured a major 2-page article on the globe’s 15-years of missing warming and the potential solar causes and implications.
Moreover, they are featuring prominent skeptic scientists who are warning of a potential little ice age and dismissing CO2 as a major climate driver. And all of this just before the release of the IPCC’s 5AR, no less!
Hat-tip: NTZ reader Arne Garbøl
The August 7 print edition of the Danish Jyllands-Posten, the famous daily that published the “Muhammad caricatures“, features a full 2-page article bearing the headline: ”The behavior of the sun may trigger a new little ice age” followed by the sub-headline: “Defying all predictions, the globe may be on the road towards a new little ice age with much colder winters.”
So now even the once very green Danish media is now spreading the seeds of doubt. So quickly can “settled science” become controversial and hotly disputed. The climate debate is far from over. And when it does end, it looks increasingly as if it’ll end in favor of the skeptics.
The JP writes that “many will be startled” by the news that a little ice age is a real possibility. Indeed, western citizens have been conditioned to think that nothing except warming is possible. Few have prepared for any other possibility.
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I find this part quite relevant, as I have also asked this obvious question.
Gosselin writes: Jylland Posten ends its 2-page feature story with questions and comments by Svensmark:
How should ocean water under 700 meters be warmed up without a warming in the upper part? … In the period 1990-2000 you could see a rise in the ocean temperatures, which fit with the greenhouse effect. But it hasn’t been seen for the last 10 years. Temperatures don’t rise without the heat content in the sea increasing. Several thousand buoys put into the sea to measure temperature haven’t registered any rise in sea temperatures.”
The “missing heat went to the deep ocean” meme being pushed by the Skeptical Science Kidz is pretty much about as relevant to the reality of climate change as their Nazi role playing.
Read the entire essay here, well worth your time:
CO2 is innocent – release CO2. Witnesses were lying!
I had been told by one of my detractors, where I post my skeptic articles, that skepticism is ‘a dying reactionary movement,’ ostensibly existing in the US and nowhere else.
I look forward to shoving things like this in his face.
Don’t worry, Otter, skepticism is well and growing in New Zealand and Australia also!
The deep sea warming meme can simply be falsified. It’s assessed that the thermohaline current brings the thermal energy down, for instance when it sinks in the Nordic Sea. But it sinks because it cooled down due to evaporation and due to the resultant increased salinity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation
As the surface waters get denser it sinks. If it doesn’t cool so much because of global warming, then it simply won’t sink. You cannot convect heat downwards.
I wonder if weather underground will pick up and run with this story ? It has the alarmist aspect of too cold for comfort but I tend to doubt they will.
“Reactionary” – an interesting word; the kind of word that tells you a lot more about the people using it than the people it is applied to.
read Marcel Leroux –
if I remember well, some sixtiy years ago – the weather was very during hot during the hay period, and the winter period terribly icy ……..
Sorry please read : some sity years ago, the weather was very hot during the hay period (july ….°
Unfortunately, CO2 levels just above biosphere subsistence only help when its warmer. 🙁
Those countries like the UK, that have decimated their coal fired electricity supply, are in for several horrific decades.. just like the population agenda specified.
Notice that Germany has managed to avoid the EU mandate against coal fired power….. how convenient is that !
But if the sun is causing a little ice age, that could be used to explain the current lack of warming. The Warmistas can argue that the CO2 warming is there as predicted but masked out by the change in solar activity. This could get the CAGW gravy train right back on track, they can predict global boiling as the new LIA finishes at some point conveniently in the future.
I suppose all the global warming refugees will be heading to frozen Denmark. Predictions of future climate are beginning to seem like so much background noise. At least this one is based on similarity to previous events.
How does the heat get to the deep oceans? By those mysterious and pesky ‘warmion’ particles quantum tunnelling their way from the land surface to the Mariana Trench. 🙂
“How should ocean water under 700 meters be warmed up without a warming in the upper part?”
Oh not that silliness again. Why is it so hard to understand the 0-2000m will always lag the 0-700m layer since the ocean is warmed from the top?
But the warming of 0-2000m has remained fairly constant at 0.5 W/m2 since the 70s so it doesn’t explain the flattening of the surface temps. The forcing has remained high but not increased the last decade.
Story here…http://rare.us/story/associated-press-retracts-bogus-north-pole-lake-photo/
The warmists have left themselves no way out after announcing the science is settled and demanding that trillions of dollars must be spent on green scams to avoid catastrophic warming. After 20 years of fighting the climate war using 24/7 propaganda, it will be quite difficult for the warmists to admit the extreme AGW hypothesis was completely incorrect and the majority of the warming in the last 50 years and 150 years was due to solar magnetic cycle changes.
If the planet is cooling and continues to cool there will be a steady stream of news reports related to cooling. To push the extreme AGW hypothesis the warmists have focused the public and the media’s attention on planetary temperature. It is likely not possible for the warmists to avoid a discussion of global cooling, if global cooling does occur.
http://northwestpassage2013.blogspot.ca/2013/08/dodos-delight-worst-ice-in-89-years.html
“Yesterday PM was the first time I realised that actually this expedition may be halted by the ice… I really didn’t think that after 89 years the ice would be the worst in all that time (allegedly), but early this morning I was looking at the ice chart and it really is impassable for a stretch of 350-400 miles. …. …. The normal navigable passage season is in August and September, and as we are basically treading water every day that passes makes success less likely – at least in 2013. Whilst the past two decades have seen the ice melt increase in longevity year on year, 2013 had been to date a reversion of the trend. Many are talking about it being a “bad ice year”.
We are in communication with a couple of other boats attempting the passage both from our side (the West) and from the Atlantic. All are concerned. At present the ice is between 5 & 7/10ths from Barrow East for a distance of approx. 350 miles – impassable by most yachts, including Dodo’s Delight.”
Comment:
It appears the sun is moving towards a Maunder like solar magnetic minimum. In the past the planet cooled when the sun was in a Maunder like minimum solar magnetic minimum. There are cycles of warming and cooling in the paleo record which correlate with solar magnetic cycle changes. The regions that warmed in the last 50 and the last 150 years are the same regions that cyclically warmed and cooled in the past when there were solar magnetic cycle changes. The past Maunder like solar magnetic cycle minimums lasted for 30 to 100 years and the cold period lasted for 75 to 150 years as the solar magnetic cycle was slow to start up after a like Maunder like deep solar minimum.
“mikelowe2013 says:
August 10, 2013 at 2:36 am”
In Australia? No way…CO2 driven climate change alarmism is rife here.
lgl:
In your post at August 10, 2013 at 3:50 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/10/denmark-gets-a-dose-of-global-cooling-in-major-newspaper/#comment-1386054
You say
Over the last decade there has been no discernible increase to global air and surface temperatures while, as you admit, there has been no discernible increase to ocean temperatures,
Atmospheric CO2 concentration is the major “forcing” according to the AGW hypothesis.
Atmospheric CO2 concentration has continued its increase over the last decade, and you say this has not increased “forcing”.
Thankyou for confirming that the AGW scare is now demonstrated to have been without any foundation and is refuted by reality.
Richard
@Robin Hewitt
Yes and no. Remember that human activities could indeed have a warming effect yet the planet cool and vice versa. The sheer forces at play are potentially capable of confounding it all. This, however, is a disaster to CAGW whiners because they claim all other factors have been accounted for and dismissed. The science is settled and all that bull. Thus, the heat-in-my-pants theory of deep ocean whodunits.
At least the added CO2 will help plants cope better with the adverse weather, and may mitigate it to some extent as well.
Hey look at that – A PREVIEW BUTTON – Fantastic!
lgl says:
“Why is it so hard to understand the 0-2000m will always lag the 0-700m layer since the ocean is warmed from the top?
LOL, you’re also saying the 0-700m layer should warm first.
John
Yes, didn’t it?
‘The August 7 print edition of the Danish Jyllands-Posten, the famous daily that published the “Muhammad caricatures“ ‘
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When they did that, this led to several murder attempts against people affiliated with the newspaper. Let’s see what the fundamentalist response will be like this time.
I’m going to stick my neck out and say we should not be trying to counteract doomsday prophecies of global warming with equally unsupported predictions about ice ages (mini or otherwise). I don’t believe we can predict with any credibility what the climate will be doing in 10 years or more; and we won’t know what the climate is actually doing until it has done it. Let’s stick to what we know and be honest about what we don’t.
Do not be influenced by occasional “skeptical” articles that appear in the MSM. They have not changed; their goal remains to sell advertising at the highest rates their circulation can justify. They have not magically acquired either integrity or diligence previously lacking; they are just test marketing a different message to see if it garners a new or larger audience. If it does, they will ride it as long as it produces a revenue stream. If it doesn’t they will find a new issue to hype into a crisis.
That’s so very well put. Kudos!
P.S. I see a preview option on WordPress for the first time! Unfortunately it isn’t functional on Opera version 11. Darn.
I was laughing loudly when ABc agw enthusiasts here in aus were quite puzzled and miffed that their recent poll on whats of concern to aussies before the election had CC rating rather LOW on the publics list of priorities:-)
twould appear while the media of a certain stripe keep pushing the fluff and fear items, a hell of a lot of people have woken up or tuned out or both:-)
theres truly only so long you can use fear as a means of control, and they overplayed it bigtime.
especially as people take notice of the local enviro and find little to no change.