More on the recent Pages2K paper

“In Europe, for example, the average temperature between AD 21 and 80 was warmer than during AD 1971-2000.”

From Northern Arizona University

Regional insights set latest study of climate history apart

As climate studies saturate scientific journals and mainstream media, with opposing viewpoints quickly squaring off in reaction and debate, new findings can easily be lost in the noise.

But in the case of Northern Arizona University Regents’ professor Darrell Kaufman and a study appearing in Nature Geoscience, obscurity is an unlikely fate.

What Kaufman—the lead co-author of “Continental-scale temperature variability during the last two millennia”—and 78 experts from 24 countries have done is to assemble the most comprehensive study to date of temperature change of Earth’s continents over the past 1,000 to 2,000 years.

By looking regionally, the researchers found considerable complexity hidden within a global average.

“We wanted a new and ambitious effort to reconstruct past climate,” Kaufman said of the PAGES 2k network of researchers. “One of the strongest aspects of the consortium study is that it relies on regional expertise.”

Members of the consortium represent eight continental-scale regions. They lent their insights about the best proxy records—such as tree-ring measurements—to use for a particular region, and how to interpret the data based on regional climatology.

While the study does not attempt to attribute temperature changes to natural or human-caused factors, Kaufman said the finding of a long-term global cooling trend that ended late in the 19th century is further evidence that increased greenhouse gasses have had an influence in later years.

“The pre-industrial trend was likely caused by natural factors that continued to operate through the 20th century, making 20th century warming more difficult to explain if not for the likely impact of increased greenhouse gasses,” Kaufman said.

While that sounds like a familiar theme, the study’s findings of regional variations are less well known. Because of extensive participation by scientists working in the Southern Hemisphere, Kaufman said, data from those regions broadened what had been a view previously centered on Europe.

“We know the most about the long-term temperature history in Europe, but we find that not every region conforms with that pattern,” Kaufman said. He noted that temperatures varied by region against the backdrop of the long-term cooling identified by the study.

The regional focus on the past 2,000 years is significant for two reasons, Kaufman said. First, climate change at that scale is more relevant to societies and ecosystems than global averages. And second, “regional scale differences help us to understand how the climate system works, and that information helps to improve the models used to project future climate.”

Kaufman’s own research team added to the strong regional input. His research in Alaska and elsewhere formed part of the dataset.

“The questions that my team hopes to address involve the larger climate system, and our research contributes one piece of the global puzzle,” he said.

Kaufman’s role as lead co-author came about partly from good timing—he was on sabbatical as a visiting scientist at the Bern, Switzerland, headquarters of Past Global Changes (PAGES) organization, as the data were being assembled, so he took the lead in writing the manuscript.

Later, as the paper underwent a substantial reworking to address the scrutiny of peer review, co-author Nick McKay, a post-doctoral researcher at NAU, “did the heavy lifting,” Kaufman said. “He analyzed the data from each of the regions to uncover the most important similarities and differences, which we needed for the synthesis.”

In another of the study’s major contributions, the entire database on which it was based has been tabulated and will be made available publicly for further analysis. Kaufman and his co-authors have posted the data along with frequently asked questions about the study on the PAGES project website.

“My co-authors and I look forward to seeing the data used by others in future analyses because science moves forward with well-informed alternative interpretations,” Kaufman said.

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Andrew Revkin has an interview with the author.

I found this part very interesting:

We also found that temperatures in some regions were higher in the past then they were during the late 20th century and that, the longer the individual site record, the more likely it was to show prior warm intervals, which is consistent with the long-term cooling trend. In Europe, for example, the average temperature between AD 21 and 80 was warmer than during AD 1971-2000. But temperatures did not fluctuate uniformly among all regions at multi-decadal to centennial scales. For example, the transition to colder regional climates between AD 1200 and 1500 is evident earlier in the Arctic, Europe and Asia than in North America or the Southern Hemisphere.

More here: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/22/study-charts-2000-years-of-continental-climate-changes/

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E.M.Smith
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April 23, 2013 12:56 am

So if they show it was clearly warmer in the past, and we didn’t “tip” into a disaster, doesn’t that kind of put a hole in that whole “tipping point” idea…
It also seems that they can’t quite accept that natural variation which worked in the past can continue to work today, and have to embrace a new cause (CO2) for modern temperatures. Just a tiny bit tacky…

peter azlac
April 23, 2013 1:05 am

Climate is not global, it is not regional, it is zonal – that is why we have the Koppen-Geiger classification that reflects the impacts of temperature and precipitation interacting with altitude and geology to define areas that limit the growth of plants. Since food is the most important factor in human life, changes in the growing areas for food are the most important aspect of climate change. A look at the Koppen-Geiger maps will show that basing studies on regional data confounds the issue. Hopefully it will be possible to extract meaningful zonal data from the promised Pages2K archive and do some real climate science.

Tom Harley
April 23, 2013 1:10 am

It’s still just ‘weather’.

Stacey
April 23, 2013 1:11 am

“The pre-industrial trend was likely caused by natural factors that continued to operate through the 20th century, making 20th century warming more difficult to explain if not for the likely impact of increased greenhouse gasses,” Kaufman said.
Sorry the above statement is patent nonsense this is because the end of the Little Ice Age and hence warmer temperatures kicked in well before there were large increases in CO2 emissions. Also as regards to past warming they are merely confirming what was already known.
It seems to me they have so much data they can’t see the woods?

Stacey
April 23, 2013 1:13 am

…… the woods for the trees.

Admin
April 23, 2013 1:14 am

The highest level of solar activity in 8000 years can’t possibly have anything to do with 20th century warming then? http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/solanki2004/solanki2004.html

Admin
April 23, 2013 1:17 am

I just did a hockey stick (from the NOAA sunspot count).

Village Idiot
April 23, 2013 1:17 am

Of course, it’s an established and accepted scientific fact that the MWP was a worldwide warm period; warmer than the present. We don’t need doubtful proxies, flawed studies or so called climate experts to tell us that. The Vikings grew potatoes on Greenland, for goodness sake!

richard verney
April 23, 2013 1:26 am

All proxy studies contain huge error margins and uncertainties and it is important that they should be considered in tandem with written historical record (to the extent that we possess written historical record of the period/place in question) to check whether they may be on the right track.
We know from written record that, in Northern Europe, there was a Roman warm period. We know from written accounts that vines were grown around the Scottish boarder. This cannot be done today. We therefore know that it was warmer at those latitudes than it is today. For vines to grow in the Scottish boarders, the region most probably would have had to enjoy a similar temperature/climate to that enjoyed today bySouthern England, ie., about 3 to 4 degrees warmer.
We know from archaelogical evidence that the Vikings settled in Greenland during the Viking warm period. Again, bearing in mind farming technology available, Greeenland would most probably have to have enjoyed a temperature between 3 to 6 degrees warmer than it is today to enable Viking settlements to have flourished for several centuries.
Any proxy reconstruction of Northern Europe should show these warm periods. If they do not, then one should be particularly wary as to their accuracy.
I suspect that much evidence of past climatic conditions around the Mediterranean can be found from Egyptian historical record at the time of the Pharoahs and when it was the bread basket of the world (during Roman times).
We know from the thermometer record that the Southern and Northern Hemisphere do not respond similarly, no doubt 9in part) because of the differences in the distribution of land masses and that the Southern Hemisphere possesses a greater quantity of ocean (with dampening effects associated with thermal lag and thermal capacity). Indeed, even the Antarctic appears to be bahaving differently to the Arctic, possibly because the latter is only ice and has a greater response to warm water polar currents.

Greg Goodman
April 23, 2013 1:33 am

“My co-authors and I look forward to seeing the data used by others in future analyses because science moves forward with well-informed alternative interpretations,” Kaufman said.
Sound like an encouraging new trend. Let’s see whether this is data rather than model outpout or “reanalysis data” model output.
In any case, if they are as good as their claims and provide all this in a useful, auditable form (unlike BEST) it should be a very useful resource.

steveta_uk
April 23, 2013 1:35 am

According to “Village Idiot”

The Vikings grew potatoes on Greenland, for goodness sake!

Living up to his name, I see – the Idiot doesn’t seem to wonder where the Vikings got potatoes from.

steveta_uk
April 23, 2013 1:36 am

Oops – Mod, please replace “kinings” with “Vikings” above. Thanks.

Greg Goodman
April 23, 2013 1:42 am

Sure NH / SH are different. At least the poles even show opposite tendancies:
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=161
Their regional approach is much more relevant. It’s not a degree or two in average warming/cooling that kills people and crops. 1812 was only a couple of degrees cooler in global average. But it did not feel like a couple of degrees on the russian front.

Manfred
April 23, 2013 1:45 am

How can anybody take the European reconstruction seriously ? MWP almost gone. in Europe !
Though the South American and Australian may even be worse.

Jimbo
April 23, 2013 2:19 am

“The pre-industrial trend was likely caused by natural factors that continued to operate through the 20th century, making 20th century warming more difficult to explain if not for the likely impact of increased greenhouse gasses,” Kaufman said.

But Co2 was below the alleged safe limit of 350ppm. As a result we must NOT act now as it would be an utter waste of time.

“A long-term global cooling trend ended in the late 19th century, a reversal in temperature that cannot be explained by natural variability alone, according to a new study.”
http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/22/17864735-global-warming-study-suggests-human-causes-dating-back-to-1800s?lite

Roy
April 23, 2013 2:21 am

Village Idiot
The Norse in Greenland kept cattle, sheep and goats. They also grew fodder to enable their livestock to survive the winter. They also practised hunting. They do not seem to have cultivated any crops originating in the American mainland.
The Fate of Greenland’s Vikings
http://archive.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/

Kelvin Vaughan
April 23, 2013 2:23 am

How much can I save on my heating bill if I enhance the CO2 content of my house to 1000ppm?

Bloke down the pub
April 23, 2013 2:36 am

The cooling trend they describe is no more valid than a late twentieth century warming trend. The longer the period looked at, the more a linear trend starts to look like part of a cycle.

garymount
April 23, 2013 2:51 am

I will be glad when the measured temperature data set becomes longer than the paleo proxy reconstructions of temperature. I understand this will take a while yet. 🙂
Currently the high quality temperature datasets, from satellites, are growing at a current rate of 3% per year. Though the rate is slowing down. This is similar to my sister being 50% of my age, as my father kept reminding me, and know she is , ohhh about… get the calculator out… 113%… wait, I think I did something wrong… 88%. I did a classic Mike Mann Tiljander upside down mistake 🙂
Climate science is so fun.

Quelgeek
April 23, 2013 3:03 am

I hope Village Idiot meant grapes when (s)he wrote potatoes. Pretty nasty wine otherwise.
[Vodka? Mod]

April 23, 2013 3:15 am

Of course it’s cooler in the NH then the SH. When it’s winter in the north, it’s summer in the south. If you think the writers of this study surely know that simple fact, you forget they are “climate scientists” trained not to observe their surroundings.
Seriously, the data base sounds interesting if they haven’t tampered with it too much.
What happened to the like-dislike buttons?

David Schofield
April 23, 2013 3:19 am

What happened to the like-dislike buttons?
– they were disliked

Brian Johnson UK
April 23, 2013 3:29 am

Recent archaeological digs have shown barley was grown [beer, bread etc] Seems the last ones kicked out the fires in around 1400. The heaps of discarded food/bones/rubbish were quite high and seems to prove the Viking farms were productive for some time. Spuds and grapes are a myth I think.
Warmer than today and no ‘tipping point’ or sea level inundation. Historic records are so more accurate than stupid computer predictions eh?

Berényi Péter
April 23, 2013 3:46 am

Manfred says:
April 23, 2013 at 1:45 am
How can anybody take the European reconstruction seriously ? MWP almost gone. in Europe !

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”
― George Orwell, 1984

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