Climate cheat sheet for the presidential debate

Here is an excerpt from a story by Chip Knappenberger titled Presidential Debate: Climate Change Cheat Sheet

With the first presidential debate this Wednesday, and since both candidates have made recent high profile references to climate change and its impacts, perhaps this is a good time to review some basic climate change talking points that each candidates should have at his disposal.

Climate During the Obama Administration

• Over the course of the Obama presidency the rate of global warming has declined.

• Over the course of the Obama presidency the rise of the global sea level has slowed.

• Over the course of the Obama presidency the emissions of greenhouse gases from the U.S. have declined.

None of the above are a result of Obama Administration policies.

• Instead, the vagaries of natural climate variability have led to a (temporary) slowdown of the rise in both global average temperature and global average sea level.

• The reduction of greenhouse gas emissions in the U.S is largely a result of a poor economy, a rise in the use (and affordable availability) of natural gas, and on-going improvements of the U.S. energy efficiency that were begun long before the Obama Administration.

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46 thoughts on “Climate cheat sheet for the presidential debate

  1. Over the course of the Obama presidency, in fact no significant change in sea level or global temperature trends has been observed. You clearly don’t even know how to calculate a trend. Why would you imagine for a second that you have anything of value to say about the climate?

  2. The Obama years have left a deep wound on American industry that will be difficult to heal. Another four years of Obama will not improve anything but make matters worse.
    Still Europe retained the Ryder Cup and your consolation prize is Abu Hamza.

  3. 1. USA rate of warming has declined – still within error limits, so can’t be sure.
    2. Ocean level change decelerated – Al Gore stepped out of the sea and sat on land.
    3. Emissions of GHG in USA have declined – but the data look poor. e.g. How did Gibraltar drop from 7.3 mmt CO2 in 2000, to 4.4 mmt CO2 in 2009?

    It would be good for climate investigators to reduce emphasis on GHG and go for something else, like natural variation, cloud, etc.

  4. Hot off the press, Mitt’s speech on *climate change*:

    What about the 97 percent of the climate scientists who will vote for the president no matter what? All right, there are 97 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government for their research grants and jetset lifestyles, who believe that they are victims of big-oil conspiracies, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them with professorships and sabaticals, who believe that they are entitled to awards, tenureship, more grants, to you-name-it without ever producing anything that could be called science — that that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. … These are people who pay no income tax. … My job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives and stop wasting taxpayer funds on hoax catastrophic man-made global warming claims.

  5. have led to a (temporary) slowdown of the rise in both global average temperature and global average sea level.

    How do we know this is a temporary slowdown?

  6. Yeah but… none of that explains why the seas will rise and cover the earth (or boil off) while the treeless desert that is the earth gives our grandchildren nothing but dirt to eat and WAGTD from wet-dry-warm-cold in 20 years if we don’t act NOW!

    There will be some watching the debates that will insist on hearing the ‘facts’ as I presented them. They may not want an Obamaphone but they will insist on a tithe to their religion from the candidates. That’s the price of their vote. Let’s see who panders to it. Both candidates just might do that.

  7. Less emissions are … not a result of Obama policies??? A poor economic environment leads to less emissions. 4 more years will pave the way for an even better record on climate issues ….
    In this regard it is the choice either to save the world climate, or the families seeking work and prosperity.
    Quite strong alternatives.

    Matt

  8. How about a section on “Look what climate change actions have done to Europe?” I doubt we will see anything like that because the Republicans go all wobbly at the thought of being called ungreen by the radical left. Instead we will hear platitudes about all of the above and probably more subsidies to economic failures without subsidies.

  9. It is physically impossible for the 28 gigatons of human released CO2 to have any impact on Earth’s temperature. This meager amount of CO2 is converted biologically into sea shells or dirt in just a few years time becoming less than 3 cubic miles of Earth. Three cubic miles of this “magic dust” in the air does not effect the temperature of 259 trillion cubic miles of mostly molten rock at 2500F and 310 million cubic miles of ocean at average 4F. The “magic” OLR absorption lasts for a billionth of a second, followed by a lower energy, longer wave length emission that CANNOT warm a still warmer Earth surface and is invisible to any additional CO2 absorption. Carbon Climate Forcing is all about FORCED Carbon Commodity Trading. This is Enron government, using Enron science to force Enron economics. This “election” is another in the century long Federal Reserve run presidential puppet shows. For more on this rigged process, read “Rice-A-Romney, that MUST have Zombie Treat” at the FSS.com web site. End the Fed….End the FRAUD.

  10. Extrapolate the trend in sea level rise and in about 6 years time the sea level will be falling.

    Just using alarmist tactics.

  11. If I were American, I’d vote Obama. The reason is simple, there will be no Kyoto Commitment at the end of this year and by the falling share price of wind turbine manufacturers it looks as if the world investors know that global warming will be dead on or shortly after the 31st December.

    But on the 31st December, there will still be people in the US who cannot afford their health care. Yes, part of the reason is because they have been fleeced by the renewable energy sharks, but those sharks are going away, but I seem to recall someone saying the poor and sick will always be with us.

  12. 1.2 trillion dollar deficit this year
    10 % real unemployment
    Administration lied about the attack at Benghazi
    Justice department running guns to Mexico

    And why should there be any “Climate Change” questions at all in this “debate”????

  13. Why it happened is not important (just look at the aversion of the left to explore the roots of the housing bust), that it happened means Obama did it. QED.

  14. Insomuch as the Obama economic policies have kept us in an unending recovery (but technically no longer in recession), yes, Obama has reduced our greenhouse gas emissions. Should get another Peace Prize for it.

  15. Aussie Luke Warm says:
    October 2, 2012 at 2:18 am

    Hot off the press, Mitt’s speech on *climate change*:
    What about the 97 percent of the climate scientists who will vote for the president no matter what?

    I don’t believe the election will swing on 70 votes.

  16. It is easy to reduce GHG emissions- drive industry into the ground, get business to move to Canada, vote Obama. But if you believe in truth then the CO2 will not hurt you or the climate. Vote Republican.

  17. Mike Haseler says:
    October 2, 2012 at 4:47 am

    If you want to improve health care, the first thing you have to do is get govt out of the business of providing it.

  18. Jack Simmons says:

    How do we know this is a temporary slowdown?

    Because, of course, eventually a Republican will be back in office, and at that moment the media wakes up and starts criticizing the government again, while wailing and gnashing their teeth about climate change.

    And, as everyone knows, ONLY Republican policies cause unwanted climate change… democrats only cause the “good” kind.

    Of course, this is NOT related to “politics”, as the believers all like to point out. Nope, no politics involved in climate change, only science. Yep, science, as practised by good democrats… er, liberals.

    And, sarcasm aside, I know people who genuinely believe that the role of the right is to crush people and pollute the environment, willy-nilly dumping toxins all over, while gleefully lavishing their ill-gotten gains on themselves. Of course, the left is all noble and selfless, compassionately donating everything they have to feed the hungry and house the homeless while protecting minorities from the bigoted and intolerant right.

    (Speaking of intolerance and hate-filled bigotry, check out the thousands of comments being left on virtually every post on the Chick-Fil-A Facebook page…. that should be enough to demonstrate why you don’t get in the way of the leftist agenda)

  19. MarkW: If you want to improve health care, the first thing you have to do is get govt out of the business of providing it.

    Obama in a nurse’s uniform may be your kind of thing, but here in Scotland we have doctors and nurses organised by the state.

    Seriously though, the whole point about a society is that as a society you care for those who are less able – and whether or not you like it, those who are less able are less able to afford to pay.

    And if that doesn’t convince you, the US health care system is about as efficient as a windmill — loads of dole in for very mediocre performance.

  20. dogparliament says:
    October 2, 2012 at 3:59 am
    The day after Obama’s inauguration, the sun rose in the sky.
    ==========
    Lawrence of Arabia using this irony in telling a story about Auda in the Seven Pillars of Wisdom. Well worth the read if you like adventure. .

  21. OT. Mods, please delete if needed.

    Anthony is there a link that connects to Jo Nova.

    Server not found
    Firefox can’t find the server at joannenova.com.au.

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    REPLY:
    Clear your DNS cache and that should solve it – Anthony

  22. Mike Haseler says:
    October 2, 2012 at 6:46 am
    And if that doesn’t convince you, the US health care system is about as efficient as a windmill
    =============
    In SE Asia they have organized health care like an assembly line, replacing the cottage industry approach to health care practiced in most countries.

    If anything it is the medical profession that prevents this mass production type of solution, using the argument that it would reduce the level of care. Imagine how long it would take to make a car, how much it would costs, and how poor the quality would be if car factories were organized along the lines of the medical industry.

  23. Mike Haseler says:
    October 2, 2012 at 6:46 am
    MarkW: If you want to improve health care, the first thing you have to do is get govt out of the business of providing it.

    Obama in a nurse’s uniform may be your kind of thing, but here in Scotland we have doctors and nurses organised by the state.

    Seriously though, the whole point about a society is that as a society you care for those who are less able – and whether or not you like it, those who are less able are less able to afford to pay.

    And if that doesn’t convince you, the US health care system is about as efficient as a windmill — loads of dole in for very mediocre performance.
    =============================================================
    Mark W is 100%correct

    “here in Scotland we have doctors and nurses organised by the state.”

    Not at all sure of what you mean here, but there is no way you can compare Scottish anything to American anything and be anywhere close in the size and scope.

    “And if that doesn’t convince you, the US health care system is about as efficient as a windmill — loads of dole in for very mediocre performance.”

    Medicare alone may waste 10-20% (50-100 BILLION)
    That can’t happen in private business for very long.

    “Seriously though, the whole point about a society is that as a society you care for those who are less able – and whether or not you like it, those who are less able are less able to afford to pay.”

    America is the most generous nation on the planet. We already have ways of helping those that truly need/deserve it and having the federal government micromanage 1/5 of our economy won’t help.

    99% of the time government is a hindrance to success

  24. @ Aussie Luke Warm, and MarkW, RE: Mitt’s Climate Speech.

    Aussie has a great opening and MarkW has the elements of a finish. My try:

    97 percent of the climate scientists will vote for the president no matter what. They dependent upon government for their research grants and jetset lifestyles, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them with professorships and sabbaticals, who believe that they are entitled to awards, tenure, more grants, to you-name-it without ever producing anything that is more science than politics — that that’s an entitlement. They will vote for this president no matter what I say. I cannot worry about those people. Fortunately for us, there are only 77 of them. (Yea, 77 of a very small cherry picked 79, look it up.) I am going after the support of tens of thousands of earth scientists and engineers and the tens of millions of tax payers that have serious doubts about US Government’s and UN’s plans and proposals to manipulate the earth’s climate by taxing and controlling the actions of its free citizens. We, The People, are the ones at a tipping point — of falling into the abyss of tyranny by the UN and our own EPA.

    Finesse the GHG GW argument. Don’t accept it, don’t fight it. Ignore it. Dissect not the science but the politics. Deeply rooted in skepticism is that government proposals are impotent at controlling climate change but are designed to consolidate political power and wealth into the hands of a Climate Cabal.

  25. Mike Haseler says:
    October 2, 2012 at 4:47 am

    If I were American, I’d vote Obama. The reason is simple, there will be no Kyoto Commitment at the end of this year and by the falling share price of wind turbine manufacturers it looks as if the world investors know that global warming will be dead on or shortly after the 31st December.

    But on the 31st December, there will still be people in the US who cannot afford their health care….

    Yet they will still get health care, that is, until the cost-containment Medicare bureaucrats decide not to pay for Granny’s hip replacement and ~”place her in a wheel chair with some pain medicine instead”….and then just wait…having provided the new and improved “health care” complete with “free” birth control as its first and political priority. Armed with that Model for the whole of Obamacare, what could possibly go wrong?

  26. OT again. Anthony / Mods please take note. Delete if needed.

    Anthony, via the MS command prompt and clearing the DNS cache. And using Firefox, still no luck accessing Jo Nova.
    Her site is the only site i know that is inaccessible on the web. Can you please post a link that is known to be available for everybody?

    I can’t even access her site via google or bing search results.

    Sincere apologies for the OT posts.

    [works fine for me . . http://joannenova.com.au/ . . mod]

  27. Obama and Mitt Romney would be well advised to steer well away from talk of global warming climate change. Most people no longer give a damn.

  28. First off: “While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease((Gen. 8:22). However, unlike u.s. by history, MARXISM’S 1st tennet of speech is LIE, LIE, LIE, AND THEN LIE SOME MORE… DUH!

  29. Man, I hope Bob Shieffer asks Obama if his economically crucial Energy Policy will be comprised by merely doubling down on solar panels and windmills or else simply moving right on to Algae, or both! Or maybe, will flowery verbiage be enough?

  30. Anthony.

    Thanks for your help. I will update my browser before i bother you anymore. I find it very strange. I’ll let you know on this thread how it transpires.
    But all i get is:

    Server not found.

    All the best.

  31. “• The reduction of greenhouse gas emissions in the U.S is largely a result of a poor economy…”

    Which is a direct result of Obama Administration Policies.

  32. Matthew W says:
    October 2, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Sir, you conflate society and government. To two are not equal. If they were we would not have Obamacare as 53% of society did not want it.

  33. mkelly says:
    October 2, 2012 at 11:16 am
    Matthew W says:
    October 2, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Sir, you conflate society and government. To two are not equal. If they were we would not have Obamacare as 53% of society did not want it.
    ===============================================
    I conflate nothing.
    I have no idea as to how you incorrectly think that I equate society and government.

  34. Matthew W says:
    October 2, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Sorry Mattew I grabbed the wrong part of the post. I was talking to Mike Haseler. The comment was meant for him not you.

  35. I’m sorry, but I’m not voting out of fear. Neither Obama, nor Romney will be getting my vote in November. My vote will go to a 3rd party candidate. Both parties are equally corrupt, and both will continue to run this country into the ground. I have seen nothing from either party in 12 years that leads me to believe that they have our best interests in mind.

  36. Robert Olsen says:
    October 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm
    I’m sorry, but I’m not voting out of fear. Neither Obama, nor Romney will be getting my vote in November. My vote will go to a 3rd party candidate. Both parties are equally corrupt, and both will continue to run this country into the ground. I have seen nothing from either party in 12 years that leads me to believe that they have our best interests in mind.
    ————
    I concur.
    I trust Gary Johnson to do the right thing. He did it as governor..
    O & R, I trust not so much.
    cn

  37. mkelly says:
    October 2, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    Matthew W says:
    October 2, 2012 at 11:37 am
    Sorry Mattew I grabbed the wrong part of the post. I was talking to Mike Haseler. The comment was meant for him not you.
    ================================
    In that case, you are indeed very correct !!

  38. “My vote will go to a 3rd party candidate.”

    Been there done that from 1980 until 2000, voting Libertarian mostly, and I like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul – result: by the time of the final national election, you can’t influence anything that way. By that time your vote is more assuredly wasted on a 3rd Party than the waste you say is the case in voting for either a D or an R., simply because the 3rd Parties are already toast for that cycle.

    In fact, Communists used to be a 3rd Party until they decided to invade the Democrat Party around 1984 because they knew they couldn’t win qua Communists as a 3rd Party. I saw it happen, but didn’t think it would work. Wrong!

    No doubt if Republicans win this one, the job to turn them back to being truly Constitutionally Conservative [Classically Liberal] will have almost just begun, Tea Party excepted: maybe we can use the same tactic. But if the Progressive Communists win, crony capitalism/Socialist Fascism and Totalitarianism will then have both legs up on us…”we da’ people”.

  39. Robert Olsen says:
    October 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    I’m sorry, but I’m not voting out of fear. Neither Obama, nor Romney will be getting my vote in November. My vote will go to a 3rd party candidate. Both parties are equally corrupt, and both will continue to run this country into the ground. I have seen nothing from either party in 12 years that leads me to believe that they have our best interests in mind.

    ‘Grats. You’re voting for Obama. Democrats never vote for 3rd party candidates, Republicans often do. The result is Democrat victories. Thanks a bunch, doofus.

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