Climate Craziness of the Week: Poo Power from your dog

Bobko D writes in Tips and Notes

Anthony,

One of the more ridiculous schemes how to save the world – a candidate for your “Craziness of the week”, perhaps – is the POO POWER! project from Melbourne, Australia.

I am tempted to believe the guy who dreamed it up, Duncan Chew, must be playing a joke on our environmentalists – yet he is now laughing all the way to the bank, with this $45,000 grant from Australian Government green schemes:

I’m tempted to agree, especially when the guy can’t even get the flowchart sequence right, i.e. which came first, the dog or the poo? 😉

This one’s a real stinker, even by green lunacy standards.  Next I envision they’ll try to make catbox powered homes…Read on…

MEDIA RELEASE (see http://www.poopower.com.au/our-story/45000-grant-to-poo-power.html )

Poo Power! is one of … recipients from Inspiring Australia’s ‘Unlocking Australia’s Potential’ program. The $45,000 grant has been awarded to the Yarra Energy Foundation to turn dog poo from parks in the City of Yarra into renewable energy.

There is over 1350 tonnes of dog waste to be disposed of every day in Australia… Using this un-tapped resource, Poo Power! will engage Australians in its science through utilising an anaerobic digester to process dog waste into biogas that can serve as a local renewable energy source.

Within the City of Yarra there are approximately 6078 dogs that generate over 750 tonnes of waste every year… This waste can be diverted into a local an anaerobic digester to generate more than 3800 litres of biogas that can be used for heating, lighting or electricity.

This small but important amount of biogas will be used in a City of Yarra park in an interactive public installation as a community meeting place for use by dog owners and other citizens.

“This project has the potential to be groundbreaking, a whole lot of fun and will deliver value to the citizens in the City of Yarra, which is why YEF is involved.” Alex Fearnside, CEO of the Yarra Energy Foundation.

This project was instigated by Duncan Chew … Project and Science Engagement Manager for the Poo Power! Project…”

Media enquiries:

Poo Power! – Duncan Chew | 0418 513 240 | duncan@greennation.com.au

Yarra Energy Foundation – Alex Fearnside | 0434 990 108 | alex.fearnside@yef.org.au

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“What is Poo Power? We’ve found a way to unleash the power in the 1,350 tonnes of dog poo produced each day in Australia….”

and

“…On average, a dog produces 0.34 kilograms (kg) of feces per day. Consequently, there is approximately 1,350.48 tonnes (t) of dog waste to be disposed of every day in Australia; 492,925 tonnes (t) per year.

Therefore we want to build an anaerobic methane digester to process the dog waste … to create a biogas that can serve as renewable energy source…”

(http://www.poopower.com.au/what-is-poo-power.html)

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August 19, 2012 2:25 am

I think my hamster will do much better in any efficiency rating – his (or is it her?) energy is available directly, and usually available at night – even when the wind doesn’t blow or the sun doesn’t shine
Andi
PS Being in NZ, how can I get an Aussie grant application?
PPS There’s always the hamster-poo left over as well

JustMEinT Musings
August 19, 2012 2:25 am

I get angrier every time I hear of another waste of money from this government……

Patrick Davis
August 19, 2012 2:34 am

And it wasnt too long ago a “scientist/expert” in New Zealand said the family dog emitted more CO2 than a SUV and should be put down.

Gnome
August 19, 2012 2:35 am

All registered dog owners will be required to submit 340 grammes of dogpoo to their local council every day or face heavy fines.
Another reason to resist registering your dog

Kaboom
August 19, 2012 2:36 am

There better use for dog poo in Australia by using it as a means of political speech, for example.

mwhite
August 19, 2012 2:39 am

If it was that good an idea the world would be full of powerstations using human and farm animal waste. This kind of electricitty production has been known about for decades.

August 19, 2012 2:39 am

I don’t want to pooh-pooh this noble initiative, but the City of Yarra is not a small area, and I imagine the fossil fuels used in carting canine faeces to the treatment centre will offset any supposed CO2 abatement from producing gas in the inner suburbs. Given that the massive Bass Strait gas fields are in Melbourne’s back yard , it seems like yet another inner-city Green project wasting taxpayers’ funds.
A neat summary of the Bass Strait hydrocarbon deposits is found here
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CG8QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spe.org%2Fjpt%2Fprint%2Farchives%2F2011%2F08%2F13BassStrait.pdf&ei=8rIwUIr7Gubj4QSvg4Ag&usg=AFQjCNHa_TVxR1kcQXV_r6_K4QDdId14zg&sig2=vcSKZB-tOyM3JB4RzIcQkA

mwhite
August 19, 2012 2:41 am

A word on collection

John Silver
August 19, 2012 2:45 am

Kenji is concerned.

SanityP
August 19, 2012 2:46 am

… and then we will get trucks running all over Australia to collect said poo and drive it to a central place, like the capital and dump it there.

Brian Johnson uk
August 19, 2012 2:48 am

Just collecting a days doggie doos would take thousands of gallons of fuel but I think if they could shrink Australia to the size of the Isle of Wight then it has a chance of working. Oh dear I seem to be thinking like a Warmist! WIth similar logic. I know Julia Gillard will have the answer…….

View from the Solent
August 19, 2012 2:53 am

“I am tempted to believe the guy who dreamed it up, Duncan Chew, must be playing a joke on our environmentalists – yet he is now laughing all the way to the bank, ”
Playing a joke and laughing on his way to the bank are not mutually exclusive. I wonder if I can work that scam on my (UK) government?

Geoff Sherrington
August 19, 2012 2:53 am

A story from the time of Chairman Mao goes that there were too many rats, so citizens had to front up to depots once a week with X rat tails per head, if it can be expressed that way, to be paid a small sum. In a few days out of the starting blocks, there were companies breeding rats to supply tails the easy way. They were genuine companies, they gave you more than a rat’s arse.
By coincidence, I know of a poopy farm or two not far from the City of Yarra. Anyone looking for a crappy investment?
Anyone in another country looking to import crappy bureacrats & politicians? Cheap? With poo credits?

Anon
August 19, 2012 3:04 am

Sorry to poo poo your scepticism guys, but the basic technology behind this idea has already been demonstrated. Essentially the idea is to extract methane from poo. This paper demonstrates over 70% methane recovery.
http://www.iwaponline.com/wst/06504/wst065040604.htm

ABSTRACT
This paper demonstrates the potential for recovering dissolved methane from low temperature anaerobic processes treating domestic wastewater. In the absence of methane recovery, ca. 45% of the produced methane is released as a fugitive emission which results in a net carbon footprint of -0.47 kg CO2e m-3. A poly-di-methyl-siloxane (PDMS) membrane contactor was applied to support sweep gas desorption of dissolved methane using nitrogen. The dense membrane structure controlled gaseous mass transfer thus recovery was maximised at low liquid velocities. At the lowest liquid velocity, VL, of 0.0025 m s-1, 72% of the dissolved methane was recovered. A vacuum was also trialled as an alternative to sweep-gas operation. At vacuum pressures below 30 mbar, reasonable methane recovery was observed at an intermediate VL of 0.0056 m s-1. Results from this study demonstrate that dissolved methane recovery could increase net electrical production from low temperature anaerobic processes by ca. +0.043 kWhe m-3 and reduce the net carbon footprint to +0.01 kg CO2e m-3. However, further experimental work to optimise the gas-side hydrodynamics is required as well as validation of the long-term impacts of biofouling on process performance.

“Where there’s muck, there’s brass”

Richard
August 19, 2012 3:22 am

To put this in context, the City of Yarra is a local government area within greater Melbourne. It attracts the far left. It has areas of state government housing occupied by disadvantaged people and newly arrived “boat people”, so it’s an area ripe for exploitation by the left. Unlike some other areas populated by the chardonnay sipping, latte quaffing greenies, it’s not a rich area so its semi-coherent inhabitants tend to be more of the fluffy fringe of the green movement who haven’t yet worked out that they are just pawns in the grand plan. It is upwardly mobile in the sense that the greenies have their pavement dining made comfortable by gas burning patio heaters.
Just my opinion, of course.

Dr. John M. Ware
August 19, 2012 3:25 am

If a dog poops out .34kg per day, and a kg is still 2.2 pounds, that equals .73lb or just short of 12 ounces of feces per day. Somewhere I read that the average human’s output is about 8oz per day, which I think is too low, but which, if true, brings up the question: What kinds of dogs are submitting their poops to this measurement? Does the average dog produce 50% more actual poop by weight than the average human? I think the output must be to some extent proportional to body weight, though I realize that different species and individuals have different metabolisms, diets, and other factors. Still, a second question remains: If the weight of the droppings is as wildly inaccurate as it appears to me to be, and if transportation of feces to processing sites has not been accurately factored into the process, how can the government justify this grant? Third question: At what stage of freshness is this dog manure useful? It would seem quite a burden for the humans who feed these dogs to have to collect their waste immediately upon extrusion; and yet, if one waits until the stuff gets dry and brittle, it might not have quite the oomph it needs for the stated purpose. Just some practical questions among many that might be asked . . .

David Ross
August 19, 2012 3:38 am

Cry ‘Havoc,’ and let slip the dogs of global warming;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth : )

David Ross
August 19, 2012 3:55 am

Geoff Sherrington wrote:
“A story from the time of Chairman Mao goes that there were too many rats, so citizens had to front up to depots once a week with X rat tails per head…”
It ain’t no “story”.
About the same time as “progressives” in America were getting all worked up about Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring, the glorious people’s revolution in China declared war on sparrows (and rats).

Four Pests Campaign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign
The Great sparrow campaign also known as the Kill a sparrow campaign, and officially, the Four Pests campaign was one of the first actions taken in the Great Leap Forward from 1958 to 1962. The four pests to be eliminated were rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows.[1] The extermination of the latter upset the ecological balance, and enabled crop-eating insects to proliferate.
Campaign
The campaign against the ‘Four Pests’ was initiated in 1958 as a hygiene campaign by Mao Zedong, who identified the need to exterminate mosquitoes, flies, rats, and sparrows. Sparrows – mainly the Eurasian Tree Sparrow[1][2] – were included on the list because they ate grain seeds, robbing the people of the fruits of their labour. The masses of China were mobilized to eradicate the birds, and citizens took to banging pots and pans or beating drums to scare the birds from landing, forcing them to fly until they fell from the sky in exhaustion. Sparrow nests were torn down, eggs were broken, and nestlings were killed.[1][3] Sparrows and other birds were shot down from the sky, resulting in the near-extinction of the birds in China.[4] Non-material rewards and recognition were offered to schools, work units and government agencies in accordance with the volume of pests they had killed.
By April 1960, Chinese leaders realized that sparrows ate a large amount of insects, as well as grains.[3][2] Rather than being increased, rice yields after the campaign were substantially decreased.[1][2] Mao ordered the end of the campaign against sparrows, replacing them with bedbugs in the ongoing campaign against the Four Pests.[3] By this time, however, it was too late. With no sparrows to eat them, locust populations ballooned,[1] swarming the country and compounding the ecological problems already caused by the Great Leap Forward, including widespread deforestation and misuse of poisons and pesticides. Ecological imbalance is credited with exacerbating the Great Chinese Famine in which upwards of 30 million people died of starvation.

Eliminating the last sparrow
http://chineseposters.net/posters/e16-34.php
Great Sparrow campaign 1957

The Great Sparrow campaign documentary

August 19, 2012 3:58 am

I wonder what the calorific value of their 5-dollar note is?
I suspect 9,000 of them sent direct to an incinerator will be a more energy-efficient method of producing at least some useful power.

Another Gareth
August 19, 2012 4:01 am

It’s a conspiracy!
I saw an advert for this on tv: Doggie Doo game
“Around 15 years ago, toy inventors at Lund and Company Invention created a pooping dog game that made loud farting sounds as you squeezed the dog’s leash! Since most kids on the face of the earth find humor in all bodily functions, Lund was sure this pooping dog would be the next craze of the late 90’s. All they needed was to find the dog a master — a “toy industry expert” to adopt the concept and turn the dog into the next mega hit game!”
They are brainwashing kids to be comfortable with dog muck so they will obey.
/sarc
Gnome said: “All registered dog owners will be required to submit 340 grammes of dogpoo to their local council every day or face heavy fines.”
Is it okay if I put it in their letterbox?
I was amused at the specious accuracy of the claim “Within the City of Yarra there are approximately 6078 dogs that generate over 750 tonnes of waste every year”. Why not just say over 6000 dogs?

rogerknights
August 19, 2012 4:02 am

Brian Johnson uk says:
August 19, 2012 at 2:48 am
Just collecting a days doggie doos would take thousands of gallons of fuel….

To make this workable, the poo would have to be picked up by the regular trash or recyclable truck and put in a separate compartment.

Bobko D
August 19, 2012 4:11 am

Well, it may look like a joke, but according to this http://www.scienceinpublic.com.au/inspiringaus/inspiringvictoria#more-11357 it is indeed genuinely supported by Australian Government:
“About the grants
… A total of $5 million has been awarded across the country in three levels of grant categories…
The prime objective of the program is to increase the engagement of Australians in science … Inspiring Australia is an initiative of the Australian Government.”
And also:
“Other grant recipients include:

• Animations will be developed to communicate complex climate change science issues to the public ($39,000).

• In the future, could dog poo power your BBQ? Melbourne man Duncan Chew has received a $45,000 Unlocking Australia’s Potential grant, to build and install a “digester” in a city park that will turn dog poo into a biogas.”

Anoneumouse
August 19, 2012 4:20 am

hide the K9

DirkH
August 19, 2012 4:27 am

mwhite says:
August 19, 2012 at 2:39 am
“If it was that good an idea the world would be full of powerstations using human and farm animal waste. This kind of electricitty production has been known about for decades.”
My home state Lower Saxony is indeed full of biogas converters; and they were meant to process animal waste and plant leftovers, and subsidized greatly.
Over time, the farmers found out that corn is a much better feedstock than manure.
These days they run nearly exclusively on corn, and most of the fields around them are used to grow corn.
This Australian guy is a little behind the curve, but if it helps him to attract taxpayer money…

ozspeaksup
August 19, 2012 4:30 am

the obvious and immediate aussie rejoinders been made..
Canberras known for more crap than any aussie dog.
I protest this move to STEAL valuable nutrients from the dung beetles!
environmental vandals starving the poor beetles!!
I have Four very large hounds, and a horse.
within a matter of days the dung beetles have stolen most of the poop hitting the gound here, the worms take their share and the chooks scatter the rest ecologically.
the only poop I can collect for composting is the overnight chook shed deposits.
fair enough suburban yards are chemically poisoned wasteland where few worms and beetle manage to survive, the smarter owners have ingound chemcompost doggy loos already..and I doubt the one or two poops a ay while out walking is going to fuel much of a digester..
councils refused to handle it in garbage in years gone by citing possible health risks,
how are they going to avoid that? this time? I wonder??
and..
what about the millions of foul cat craps? hell of a lot more cats than dogs in aus.

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