Quote of the Week – Harry Reid’s Cherry Blossom Picking: FAIL

Senator Harry Reid’s Press Release: Time To Stop Acting Like Climate Change Deniers Have A Valid Point Of View – They Don’t

‘If skeptics had taken a stroll along Potomac River on a 70-degree day this Feb., they would have seen cherry trees blossoming earlier than at any time since they were planted 100 years ago’

Umm, no. Let’s go to the data…

English: Japanese cherry trees (Sakura), a gif...

Japanese cherry trees (Sakura), a gift from Japan in 1965, adorn the Tidal Basin in Washington, D.C. during the National Cherry Blossom Festival. The Washington Monument is visible in the distance. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Correction for Reid: Both 1990 and 2000 had earlier blooms:

The National Park Service (NPS) has confirmed Washington, D.C.’s cherry blossoms peaked on March 20, tied for third earliest on record.

In the NPS’s 92-year record dating back to 1921, the only years with earlier bloom dates were 1990 (March 15) and 2000 (March 17) . Three other years in the record matched this year’s peak bloom date of March 20: 1921, 1927, and 1945.

You’d think with a well paid staff at his disposal, Senator Reid could at least do some fact checking before bloviating about how “deniers” have no valid point of view.

How embarrassing it must be that we mere bloggers have to point out his factual gaffes he and his staff miss.

[UPDATE: My friend, nationally syndicated radio show talk host Lars Larson has the ultimate zinger for this where he says:

You know, I think this qualifies Senator Reid of Nevada as an official "Blooming Idiot". ]

Here is Senator James Inhofe’s Press Release on Reid’s announcement:

“He says ‘the time to act is now’ – yet Reid hasn’t brought a cap-and-trade bill to floor since 2008, & he’s the one who said cap-and-trade had been deleted from his dictionary”

“If it’s time to act on anything, it would be to stop President Obama from implementing these global warming policies that the American people have clearly rejected”

Perhaps the title should have been: Time To Stop Acting Like Senator Reid Has A Valid Point Of View on Global Warming – He Doesn’t

h/t to Climate Depot

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112 Responses to Quote of the Week – Harry Reid’s Cherry Blossom Picking: FAIL

  1. Caleb says:

    Senator Reid’s speech is an amazing work of misinformation. I had a hard time not tearing my screen in half and wrinkling it up like paper for the trash.

    At some point “a differing point of view” crosses a threshhold, and becomes a lie.

    At some point “expressing a viewpoint” becomes “inciting the rabble to riot.”

    Senator Reid must be desperate, for he is straying over the line.

  2. Fred2 says:

    Still amazes me that Sen. Reid doesn’t get laughed and hooted out of any room he walks into, basically he’s the poster child for “bad senator” – unable to get a budget done in 3 years, regularly makes baseless & stupid accusations, and some how managed to parlay his 193K /year government job into a multi-million dollar fortune during his tenure.

  3. JinOH says:

    Harry Reid is a senile, old, fool – oh, and a frakking liar.

  4. Eric says:

    I wonder if the NPS record will be technically “disappeared” soon… I am thinking a 404 error is in its future.

  5. GeoLurking says:

    “…basically he’s the poster child for “bad senator” – unable refusing to get a budget done in 3 years…”

    Better wording.

  6. greg holmes says:

    I do like showing the politicians up for the asses they are. Their world is sound bites not facts, once they enter an empirical environment they are stuffed, they lose their most potent weapon, Bull****.

  7. Coach Springer says:

    Facts. Who needs facts when you’ve got assertions?

    I was relieved to find out the pederasty rumors might not be true, but worse, now it appears the guy works with Mann.

  8. DJ says:

    If Harry Reid can’t even get right something as 5th-grade simple as when the cherry trees blossomed… How is it that we can trust him to understand the implications of QE3 or Fannie & Freddie being forced to reduce principle??

    Even funnier when you consider that an engineering laboratory has been named after him…
    http://www.unr.edu/around-campus/facilities/reid
    The Harry Reid Engineering Laboratory, so named because of the pork that funded it.

  9. tadchem says:

    Politicians and actors are professional prevaricators. They specialize in Rhetoric (in the classical sense) – the ancient art of persuading people to believe something that just ain’t so.
    They operate independently of facts, and must maintain amnesia about the lines they have previously delivered if they are to maintain the ability to recite the next line without hesitation.
    This may explain why the movie industry is over-run with Liberals.
    This does NOT explain why the so-called ‘news media’ are also over-run with Liberals. The explanation for that lies in the obsession with ratings that attract advertisers. The media believe that sensationalism improves ratings. I believe the media is mistaken.
    In the Internet Age, *everything* is archived, and every blogger loves exposing the clay feet of our ‘idols.’ An ever-growing history of mendacity is harming the media, and will harm all those ‘celebrities’ who fail to embrace honesty and forthrightness.

  10. “It is easier to fool people….
    than to convince them that they have been fooled”….Mark Twain

    Who better to fool the folks than an accomplished set of liars, fools and tools ?

  11. Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7 says:

    In contrast to the Harry Reid announcement, the link to the National Park Service page has some useful information, such as their definition for the five distinct stages of blooming and dates for each since 2004. Therein is contained another link to the history of peak blooms for two different varieties (Yoshino and Kwanzan) going back to 1921. March 20 is definitely early, but certainly not unprecedented. See here .

    Maybe Willis has time to do his usual thorough job of demolishing flimsy claims like this.

  12. Justa Joe says:

    Even if Reid’s anecdote was correct, which it is not, some year has to be the year with the earliest bloom, and 100 years isn’t very long.

  13. mkelly says:

    As no fan of the good senator his statement is no worse than McCain’s about the eskimos having no word for robin when McCain was a big believer is CAGW. Maybe he still is and just is quiet about it.

  14. Gail Combs says:

    It does not matter. Harry’s statement will be blown all over the media and the truth will never see light of day accept at “Denier Blogs”

    Dirty Tricks in Political Campaigns
    Sharon Begley, writing in Newsweek (Ready, Aim, Fire!; October 20, 2008) said that although negative campaign ads may repel viewers, the ones that engender fear are nevertheless likely to be remembered, simply because humans are hardwired to heed danger warnings.

    That is the simple explanation for the tactics of CAGW from day one.

    In poking around the internet on the subject of the Media and Truth, (can one really use those two words in the same sentence,) I found this little gem.

    Conscious Media

    We must find innovative ways to use the new electronic media as the mirror of our positive evolutionary story, investing in their capacity to reach across differences of generation, culture, religion, wealth, and gender to build a working consensus about our collective future.

    … In the U.S. 99% of all homes have a TV set and the average person watches nearly four hours per day. Television has become our primary window onto the world and the mirror in which we see ourselves. Most people in the U.S. get most of their news about the world from television. Like it or not, television has become the central nervous system of modern society

    However, the collective mind of our consumer society is dominated by the profit-making interests of the mass media and, with profits as the primary guide, our social mindset is moving out of touch with the real world. To illustrate, in the past generation in the U.S., divorce rates have doubled, teen suicide rates have tripled, a number of crime rates have quadrupled, and there is an epidemic of obesity. At a global level, physical evidence of ill health includes global warming with increasingly powerful storms, the extinction of a vast number of plant and animal species, and the rapid depletion of critical resources such as fresh water and cheap oil….

    Sure sounds like implementation of Hegel’s Philosophy.

    This drivel would be a lot less scary if you did not have Huffington Post, UCLA, a lot of PhDs and money behind it. Good ole’ Harry fits right in no doubt with Nancy leading the pack.

    I do not know about the rest of you but I highly resent being treated as a ‘Hive Animal’ like an ant with a ‘collective mind’ seems we have been demoted from sheep to ant and they are buzy building out new Sustainable Hives in New York City.

  15. elmer says:

    Let’s see, early blooms in 1990, 2000 and 2012, could it be some kind of a cycle?

  16. DirkH says:

    mkelly says:
    August 8, 2012 at 8:09 am
    “As no fan of the good senator his statement is no worse than McCain’s about the eskimos having no word for robin when McCain was a big believer is CAGW. Maybe he still is and just is quiet about it.”

    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/scarewatch/revkin_says_no_robin_inuit_word.html

    “Senator McCain was not the first to say that there was no Inuit word for ‘robin’. Three years earlier, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation had produced a radio program entitled No Word for “Robin”: Climate Change in the Canadian Arctic. The BBC World Service had also broadcast the program, but, like McCain and Revkin, without checking the facts.”

    Revkin belieed it as well, it seems.

  17. gregole says:

    If CAGW is real; and if it causes Cherry trees to blossom earlier; how is this a problem?

    Senator, you may see Man-Made global warming when you look at the lovely cherry trees, but I just see springtime. They typically bloom in spring. The earlier the better as far as I can see…

  18. DirkH says:

    DirkH says:
    “Revkin belieed it as well, it seems.”

    Sorry, “believed” was intended. And I wanted to add: This goes to show that believing any warmist public radio program is a stupid mistake (which McCain doubtlessly comitted).

  19. gator69 says:

    I read a paper this past year that showed how UHI is effecting the flora, causing longer growing seasons.

    Harry should just stick to slander.

  20. ChE says:

    Some guy told Harry. Maybe it was in a file named Readme_Harry.

  21. Bill Marsh says:

    Harry Reid is not one to let mere facts interfere with a good political point.

  22. michaelozanne says:

    So if the science is settled, the way forward clear, nothing in doubt etc etc how come we need all the lies deceptions and obfuscations……..

  23. Grant says:

    This, of course, is no surprise at all. Truth, in American political discourse, had gone the way of the Dodo. It seems only to matter that idiology and self serving policy is furthered, the truth be damned.

  24. Reg Nelson says:

    Pelosi said that some guy who know about cherry trees told Ried the trees blossomed in February. Some guy told him, that makes it a fact.

  25. DocMartyn says:

    So during nice, warm, weather trees invest in sexual reproduction. Why not just invest in making thick tree rings?

  26. TomB says:

    Caleb says:
    August 8, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Senator Reid must be desperate, for he is straying over the line.

    Again.

  27. Steve C says:

    At least you get the occasional politician telling you something with a vague likeness to the real world. We on this side of the Pond have six hundred-odd useless droolers in the Palace of Varieties who pretty much all come out with this sort of drivel regularly.

  28. gregole says:

    Harry has been busy….
    http://nevadajournal.com/2012/08/06/13-billion-clean-energy-subsidies-produce-288-permanent-jobs-quadruple-cost-electricity-nevada/

    He appears very much tied up in Green Energy/Stimulus nonsense – costing us taxpayers a lot of money. This entire “Green Energy / Stimulus / Political Kickback” cycle should be being torn apart by MSM. It is difficult just to keep count of the billions of $ being wasted not to mention the thinly disguised political graft.

  29. SasjaL says:

    How did this clown become a senator?

    He seems barely to meet the basic requirement for a politician : “No brain required” …

  30. Rick says:

    He heard it from an “extremely reliable source” that the blooms were the earliest ever. “RELEASE YOUR BLOOMING TAX RETURNS!” he boomed from the Senate floor. “What do you have to hide?”.

    Wait a minute….maybe I’m mixing up Dirty Harry’s issues….

  31. Alan the Brit says:

    Your good Mr Reid is a politician, as such he is a professional liar, you know the sort of meta-speak. “We are doing everything we can = we’re doing Sweet Fanny Adams”. “All will become clear in the fullness of time = not while I’m still alive it won’t!” “As you well know = I know more than you do”. “I am just an honest politician! = I lie my arse off when it suits me if I might get caught! Oh & there is of course, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman = Wow she was an absolute honey!” The best one? “I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth = The hell I will I’m on to an absolute steal here!” You see, we have them over here in the PDRofEU satellite state of what used to be known as Great Britain, would you like some of ours, please, you can have them for nothing, they’re worth absolutely nothing to us so they are completely free, promise (not a politician’s promise). :-)

  32. Gail Combs says:

    I forgot the links for NYC’s sustainable hives, the type of quarters we will be reduced to as energy prices skyrocket thanks to the EPA even without the help of ‘Ole Harry’s Cap and Trade Tax: The ‘Micro-Unit’ Mini-apartment building is Coming to New York City

    New York Times: 200 Square Feet and Room to Swivel

    nyc.gov Sustainable Building

    “5 Super-Efficient Tiny New York Apartments”

    What was the situation in the Soviet Union?

    Industrialized building in the Soviet Union
    …The Soviets uses a term “net living space” which refers only to the area of the living room and the bedrooms…per capita net living space in the USSR fell from 6.45m2 to 4.67m2… The housing task is admittedly incomplete…The USSR raised that 1950 figure… to …7.4m2 in 1969… and goal of 15m2 for every person….

    15m2 for every person is 160 ft2, isn’t it nice we are head towards the same goal as the old Soviet Union /sarc

    This is the goal towards which the “Cap and Trade” tax, the EPA, UN agenda 21 Sustainability and Obama are all driving towards.

    Hansen, Reid and the Media’s job is to get the American people’s buy-in of CAGW to give legitimacy to “Global Governance” (It is a “Global Problem and therefore needs a Global Solution)

    Never forget “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” ~ H. L. Mencken
    So one must ask oneself exactly where they are trying to herd us.

    Pascal Lamy, Director General of the World Trade Organization: Global governance is the globalization of local governance

    The last challenge that I see is that of legitimacy — for legitimacy is intrinsically linked to proximity, to a sense of “togetherness”. By togetherness, I mean the shared feeling of belonging to a community. This feeling, which is generally strong at the local level, tends to weaken significantly as distance to power systems grows. It finds its roots in common myths, a common history, and a collective cultural heritage. It is no surprise that taxation and redistribution policies remain mostly local!…

    Global Governance: Lessons from Europe By Pascal Lamy

    Growing interdependence requires that our laws, our social norms and values, our mechanisms for framing human behavior be examined, debated, understood and operated together as coherently as possible. This is what would provide the basis for effective sustainable development in its economic, social and environmental dimension…

    The challenge of global governance is distance — as legitimacy depends on closeness of the relationship between the individual and the decision-making process….

    It also needs to provide legitimacy, which is essential to ensure ownership over decisions which lead to change — ownership to prevent the built-in bias towards resistance to modifying the status quo.

    A legitimate governance system must also ensure efficiency. It must bring about results for the benefit of the people.

    Finally, a governance system must be coherent…. “good” global governance — a system which offers a good balance between leadership, efficiency and legitimacy, and which ensures coherence…

    Under the classical framework of legitimacy, citizens choose their representatives collectively, by voting for them. It also relies on the political capacity of the system to bring forward public discourse and proposals that produce coherent majorities and provide citizens with the feeling they are participating in a debate…. [THAT is the key folks a feeling that we have a say CG]
    Since legitimacy depends on the closeness of the relationship between the individual and the decision-making process, the challenge of global governance is distance. The other legitimacy challenges are the so-called democratic deficit and accountability deficit, which arise when there are no means for individuals to challenge international decision-making.

    In sum, the specific challenge of legitimacy in global governance is to deal with the perceived too-distant, non-accountable and non-directly challengeable decision-making at the international level….

    each country has one vote may not be enough to create a sense of legitimacy in the actions of the organization. More is required.

    National actors — political parties, civil society, parliaments and citizens — need to ensure that issues which are part of the “global level” are discussed at the “domestic level.”….

    This would constitute a potent mix of leadership, inclusiveness and action to ensure coherent and effective global governance….

    And this is precisely what German Chancellor Angela Merkel has proposed with the creation of a Charter for Sustainable Economic Activity. It is a commendable effort to provide a “new global economic contract,” to anchor economic globalization on a bedrock of ethical principles and values which would renew the trust that citizens need to have that globalization can indeed work for them….

  33. Pamela Gray says:

    Ummm. We had early blooms in Oregon. Which promptly froze off the twigs when a warm early Spring was followed by a freezing cold late Spring. Just evidence of normal weather pattern variations caused by the vagaries of short and long term oceanic and atmospheric oscillations. Reid opened his mouth and proved he was a fool.

  34. J says:

    If you type “sociopath” into wikipedia you get:

    DSM-IV

    The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM IV-TR), defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]

    A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:

    failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
    deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
    impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
    irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
    reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
    consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
    lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

    Looks to me like many/most of our rulers qualify, if not always on the issue of CAGW, then almost always on foreign policy or fiscal policies.

  35. Peeved says:

    Do you think urban heat island effects have anything to do with later bloom dates in the middle of cities? D.C. is filled with a lot of asphalt and concrete, which contributes to the hot air there.

  36. GlynnMhor says:

    “… us mere bloggers have to point out…”

    It should be “… we mere bloggers…”

    [REPLY: Fixed. Thanks. Feel better now? -REP]

  37. pat says:

    I read the whole thing. This is what passes for wisdom with this shallow, uneducated politician that is used tp pontificating, but not being bothered with facts. He is dangerous in his ignorance.

  38. lurker, passing through laughing. says:

    The pattern of false climate hype from extremists remains unbroken.
    Self parody from our elected leaders is a bit pathetic, even when they are as entertaining as Senator Reid’s.In this one, the good senator uses phony accusations and groundless claims to make the case that skeptics are….using phony information to make groundless claims.
    The larger issue- that climate change extremists rely on false accusations and hisotrical illiteracy is one that voters should be very wary of.
    People like Sen. Reid, who seem to rely on misrepresenting the case and making false claims as a standard practice do not imply good will towards the electorate.
    His refusal to produce budgets- the basic way to hold elected officials accountable for expenditures- and his relentless and incorrect claims about those who he dislkes politically implies a cha

  39. Bill Yarber says:

    Harry Reid should take a page out of Hansen’s book so we can’t check the records to prove them wrong, again and again and… Hansen, since 2000, has gone back and rewritten the temperature record to conform to his view of reality. It is good that the data and charts from his 1999 presentation are still available so we can see how he is manipulating historical data by lowering pre-1950 data and raising post-1975 data. Such actions are totally unscientific and should be cause for immediate dismissal from his position by NASA and a federal investigation into his fraud and eco-terrorists words and actions. Harry Reid is just a dolt, Hansen is much more dangerous and should have been in prison 10 years ago.

    Billl

  40. Ian W says:

    While everyone has been researching cherry blossoms there is something far more tangible for Harry Reid to wring his hands about. From his quoted article:
    Twenty-five years ago, President George H.W. Bush promised to use the “White House effect” to combat the “greenhouse effect.” Yet a quarter century later, too many elected officials in Washington are still calling climate change a liberal hoax. They falsely claim scientists are still debating whether carbon pollution is warming the planet.”
    http://www.reid.senate.gov/newsroom/pr_080712_stop-climate-deniers.cfm

    Yet a more interesting fact from AEIdeas:
    Energy fact of the week: The U.S. has the best CO2 reduction record in the world
    The latest bulletin on greenhouse gas emissions from the Paris-based International Energy Agency (IEA) notes that while total global emissions rose by one full gigaton in 2011, emissions by the United States fell by 92 megatons. But the real surprise of the bulletin is this sentence: “U.S. emissions have now fallen by 430 Mt (7.7%) since 2006, the largest reduction of all countries or regions.” Re-read that last clause slowly: “the largest reduction of all countries or regions.

    http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/06/energy-fact-of-the-week-the-u-s-has-the-best-co2-reduction-record-in-the-world/

    So contrary to Reid’s protestations the USA is actually leading the world in reduction in generation of plant food.

  41. jay says:

    Reid also asserted that Romney was not releasing his tax records because he did not pay any taxes the past 10 years.

    He just shoots his mouth off with out any evidence.
    And we listen to these pronouncements…why?

    How about looking at 1000 years of cherry blossom data from Japan?
    http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2011/12/cherry-blossoms-as-marker-of-climate.html

  42. owenkellogg says:

    Rick said, “Wait a minute….maybe I’m mixing up Dirty Harry’s issues….”

    Better than getting mixed up with Harry’s dirty tissues! ;-)

  43. Gail Combs says:

    Steve C says:
    August 8, 2012 at 8:46 am

    At least you get the occasional politician telling you something with a vague likeness to the real world. We on this side of the Pond have six hundred-odd useless droolers in the Palace of Varieties who pretty much all come out with this sort of drivel regularly.
    ___________________________
    That means you are aware of it and ignore it. Unfortunately for some reason (Thanks MSM) Americans seem to think if it comes out of the mouth of a Democrat or a Journalist it has to be the truth and if it comes out of the mouth of a Republican they have to be lying.

    ME? I think if any of them open their mouths another lie will fall out.

  44. Darren Potter says:

    SasjaL: “How did this clown become a senator?”

    Last time around…
    a) Harry Reid literally bought votes for his re-election:
    “Two days ago, the Democratic Secretary of State announced that voters can be provided “free food” at “voter turnout events.” Harry Reid has been offering free food and, according to other reports, some Democratic allies such as teachers’ unions are offering gift cards in return for a vote for Reid.”
    - AND -
    b) Voting machines were rigged to favor Reid:
    “Residents of Clark County Nevada have reported that upon attempting to vote for Angle they found that Reid’s name had already been checked. This is not surprising as widespread voting fraud has been reported since the inception of the fraudulent electronic voting machines.”

    @Sen. Reid – You are Guilty based on undisclosed 3rd-parties’ statements; it is up to you to prove otherwise. ROFL

  45. DesertYote says:

    Time to stop acting like lefties have a valid point of view.

  46. aharris says:

    And, everything happened about a month ahead of schedule here, too. All the flowers bloomed about a month early, fruiting seasons were about a month ahead of schedule, etc. But, I am noticing that here in August, when we have a brief break in the heat, each one is getting successively cooler in terms of overnight low. This last one saw us drop barely below 60 into the upper 50s. That cooling is a bit ahead of schedule, too, even though it’s still extremely hot under the high pressure dome. I’m wondering if once that dome is finally gone, we’ll find a very cold, possibly long, winter looking back at us.

    In short, I think Reid’s reports of MMGW are premature at best, stupid at worst.

  47. Wade says:

    This is the same Harry Reid that accused Mitt Romney of something without proof and said it is up to Mitt Romney to prove his unprovable accusation wrong.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/four-pinocchios-for-harry-reids-claim-about-mitt-romneys-taxes/2012/08/06/c31a1402-e007-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_blog.html
    “I don’t think the burden should be on me,” he said. “The burden should be on him. He’s the one I’ve alleged has not paid any taxes.”

    I guess Harry Reid learned nothing from the Salem witch trials. This man it a typical entrenched politician.

  48. Gail Combs says:

    As I read this my husband is playing this UTUBE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTHiIwxcexI

    (I am afraid the song would go over ‘Ole Harry’s head)

  49. Cherry trees in Mich bloomed early this year and got ZAPPED,:
    http://environmentreport.org/show.php?showID=629

  50. davidmhoffer says:

    Peeved says:
    August 8, 2012 at 9:33 am
    Do you think urban heat island effects have anything to do with later bloom dates in the middle of cities? D.C. is filled with a lot of asphalt and concrete, which contributes to the hot air there.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Check out papers by Japanese researcher Aono who has done extensive work on cherry blossom blooming dates. He concludes quite convincingly that they are indicative of the average temperatures (if memory serves) for about 75 days prior to the blooming date. While highly accurate in that regard, 75 days hardly represents temps for the year. That said, Aono also did extensive comparisons of blooming dates in major centres such as Tokyo and compared them to remote sites which had not been affected by urbanization and was able to not only demonstrate UHI, but to quantify it and verify it against the temperature record.

    On another note, having grown up in a harsh winter climate, there’s a few things about early versus late springs that don’t get much discussion time. For example, a winter with very little snow will in general feature a LATE spring. A winter with a lot of snow, in particular if it arrives early in the winter, will in general feature an EARLY spring. While this may seem counter intuitive, it isn’t that complex. Snow is an effective insulator. Lots of snow means that the earth itself stays warmer than it would have otherwise been, and when spring weather arrives, the snow melts very quickly and results in an early spring. Very littel snow means that the frost penetrates deep into the earth, and when spring arrives, it takes a very long time to warm the earth up, and it seems like winter just drags on and on and on. I’ve no idea how these factors play into the local climate that Reid was commenting on, but I would not rush to judgment that an early spring is indicative of a warmer YEAR.

  51. Dave Dodd says:

    @Peeved says:
    August 8, 2012 at 9:33 am

    “Do you think urban heat island effects have anything to do with later bloom dates in the middle of cities? D.C. is filled with a lot of asphalt and concrete, which contributes to the hot air there.”

    There is a far more pervasive source of hot air in D.C. not even distantly related to the asphalt and concrete…!!!

  52. gator69 says:

    Peeved says:
    August 8, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Do you think urban heat island effects have anything to do with later bloom dates in the middle of cities? D.C. is filled with a lot of asphalt and concrete, which contributes to the hot air there.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/09/city-uhi-makes-spring-bloom-earlier/

    This is what I was speaking of earlier.

  53. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:

    JinOH said on August 8, 2012 at 7:44 am:

    Harry Reid is a senile, old, fool – oh, and a frakking liar.

    He is not! It’s a very clever ploy. He just wants people to think all of that so they leave him alone after he retires. If his opinion is worthless then reporters and apparatchiks won’t bother asking for it. Take note that he’s following the example of his old chum and the real boss of the US Senate, Smiling Joe Biden.

    And don’t those two make a cute couple! You can just imagine them, sometime after the next election, co-hosting a radio talk show. “Welcome to Long-tooth Liberal Late Night! We’re Harry and Joe, we have coffee but we’re bald. Now sit back and enjoy while we explain how we were always right but everyone else screwed it up.”

  54. Gail Combs says:

    Alan the Brit says:
    August 8, 2012 at 9:15 am
    …. You see, we have them over here in the PDRofEU satellite state of what used to be known as Great Britain, would you like some of ours, please, you can have them for nothing, they’re worth absolutely nothing to us so they are completely free, promise….
    ===========================
    Alan, Why do we not arrange a swap? We will load up all our Politicians and through in our bureaucrats too for good measure and meet you above the Atlantic Trench to sort out the trade…. Well that one’s no good…

  55. ossqss says:

    Up next,

    July, the hottest month ever in recorded history for 2 percent of the world soon coming from a MSM outlet near you!

  56. Theo Goodwin says:

    Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7 says:
    August 8, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Good post. In addition, one might consider that drawings and paintings of cherry blossoms, iconic to the Japanese, usually show them in snow.

  57. Russell C says:

    But read through the rest of Senator Reid’s press release. How many other errors has he made?

    ” …. Arctic sea ice is also at its lowest point…
    ….. ice sheet atop Greenland experienced sudden and almost uniform melting – a phenomenon not seen in the modern age…
    ….. the hottest downpour in the planet’s recorded history… ”

    Myself, from all I’ve written about the smear of skeptic climate scientists, I focus on the one where Reid said, ” … despite having overwhelming evidence and public opinion on our side, deniers still exist, fueled and funded by dirty energy profits.”

    Much like his accusation that Romney doesn’t pay taxes, Reid quotes a nearly 20 year-old accusation that also does not have a shred of evidence to prove it.

  58. Billy says:

    “As Americans, we have the power to choose the kind of world in which we live.”

    The press release says to me that the gov’t can provide any weather they want to. Why not just go to the weather control room and turn off the drought and turn up the water in the Mississippi? Why play games?

  59. JamesD says:

    “it would be to stop President Obama from implementing these global warming policies that the American people have clearly rejected ” Note to the Senator. Obama has already implemented his global warming policies and Green House Gas regs are now on the books. Project are already being cancelled due to this.

  60. Gail Combs says: August 8, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Gail, your “conscious media” link doesn’t work. Whoever made the comment you posted, however, is either abysmally ignorant or an outright liar.

    To illustrate, in the past generation in the U.S., divorce rates have doubled, teen suicide rates have tripled, a number of crime rates have quadrupled, and there is an epidemic of obesity.

    The CDC collects and publishes data on suicide. From 1991 to 2009 suicide rates have declined, including in the age 10-24 category: http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/suicide/statistics/trends02.html

    It would be interesting to know just which crime rates have “quadrupled”. The only systematic and reliable crime reporting system is the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report which shows both violent and property crime rates peaking about 1991 and steadily declining since then. http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

    Divorce rates peaked about 1980 at more than double the 1960 rate, but have been declining since:
    http://www.thedivorceguy.com/statistics/number-of-divorces-and-annulments-michigan-and-us/
    http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0133.pdf

    I’ll have something to say about the “epidemic of obesity” after I’ve lost a few pounds.

  61. Jimbo says:

    Since we are in cherry picking mode and using the weather as a sure sign of global warming climate change heres another sign.

    Rare snowfall stuns much of South Africa
    South African Weather Service records show it has snowed in Johannesburg on only 22 other days in the last 103 years. The last snow fell there in June 2007.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AF_SOUTH_AFRICA_SNOW?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-07-17-06-15

    H/t Mike Morano

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx?Video_and_photos_of_snow_in_South_Africa/48-16413

  62. BarryW says:

    The Democratic Party should be embarrassed to have Reid as a Senator let alone their majority leader. This is the man who managed to vote against his own bills multiple times before someone corrected him. What’s really upsetting is that they don’t seem to be.

  63. Justus says:

    Oh no, the ungodly apocalyptic catastrophe of early-blooming cherry trees! Harry Reid is a prophet of doom!

    … With all of the problems projected by AGW, this is what you bring up? To me, it doesn’t even matter if there is substance behind it, which itself is unlikely. The fact that no one is picking out long term catastrophic trends due to anthropogenic global warming is what is really astonishing.

    Next, we’ll hear him complaining about global warming because the ice in his drink melted too quickly.

  64. Hu McCulloch says:

    His math isn’t very good, either. 1921 was 91 years ago, not 100!

  65. JC says:

    The caption under the picture reads that the trees were a gift in 1965. They were actually planted in 1912.

    JC

    [REPLY: There was a second gift of trees in 1965. See here. -REP]

  66. Steve C says:

    Gailaware of it, certainly (wouldn’t be here otherwise). But ignoring it would be like ignoring that oncoming express train behind you …

    > Totally agree with your last comment, though, as in:
    Q: How can you tell when a politician is lying?
    A: His/her lips are moving.

  67. JC says:

    That is true but you don’t clearly distinguish between those trees and the trees that Mr. Reid spoke of. The trees he talked about were planted 100 years ago. If you want to be specific, be specific. Just sayin.

    JC

  68. leftinbrooklyn says:

    Reid lost me during the budget debate that wasn’t, demanding that funding for ‘Cowboy Poetry Festivals’ not be ended, as our debt approached 16 Trillion…

  69. Mr Lynn says:

    Gail Combs says:
    August 8, 2012 at 8:10 am
    It does not matter. Harry’s statement will be blown all over the media and the truth will never see light of day accept at “Denier Blogs”. . .

    Exactly right. That is the point of Dingy Harry’s wild and unfounded claims. “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes” (attributed to Mark Twain). It’s the modus operand of unscrupulous politicians, criminals, and ideologues pursuing a agendas (like the enviro-wackos). We spend all our time catching up with the lies and correcting them, while the press is on to trumpeting the next one, and ignoring our entreaties. The honest man can’t win at this game.

    /Mr Lynn

  70. more soylent green! says:

    It’s no worse than this nonsense from Free Krupp of the Environmental Defense Fund:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444320704577569231537988226.html

    Krupp repeats the standard, debunked talking points about Muller being a converted skeptic, about climate events becoming more severe and more common, etc.

    BTW: The Wall Street Journal regularly publishes opinion pieces like this one, which conflict with their internal editorial stance. I commend them for it.

  71. Peter Plail says:

    I would like to remind the senator that the US isn’t the world. I can reliably inform him that wisteria blossom appeared approximately 2 weeks later than normal in the north-west UK this year. It has regularly appeared around May 15 for years, but this year waited until the end of May. I make no claims about this, it is a simple observation.

    On another point, has anyone else noticed the complete absence of the usual suspects criticising aspects of this post? It would appear that the trolls have been rendered speechless by this stupidity.

  72. jimshu says:

    There are many varieties of flowering cherries- early, mid, and late blossoming varieties.
    The variety growing along the Potomac now may not be the same variety as the 1921-1945 records.
    Anyway of cross-referencing earliest flowering time of a specific variety over this time period?

  73. jimshu says:

    Oops, just found the 92 year record data.

    [Moderator's Query: Well, you gonna share? -REP]

  74. Steve C says:

    Gail Combs says

    “Why do we not arrange a swap? We will load up all our Politicians and through in our bureaucrats too for good measure and meet you above the Atlantic Trench to sort out the trade…

    Trade? C’mon, we’re (several miles?) above the Atlantic Trench, we’ve got the whole darn shower FROM BOTH SIDES with us … this has to be the perfect gift from Heaven … Pass the cattle prod … .. … :-D

  75. Crispin in Waterloo says:

    @Gail Combs

    That was an interesting read. It seems that on this list, at least, there is not much support for the idea that we are all citizens of a circumscribed world in which war, in particular, should be permanently abolished by joint defence. The artificial bogeymen raised one after another to scare people into a form of localised unity is not going to work on a global scale because there are too many smart people out there to accept it.

    That does not in any way mean that there are not global risks – thermonuclear war being one of them. That is not a fabricated bogeyman and the risk is real. Yes I am aware that there are trumped up cases of helping a country get nuclear weapons then expressing shock then crushing the upstart nuclear club wannabees. But that takes place in the margins.

    War and famine are real threats whether CO2 is one, or not (personally I do not think it is). There is no mechanism to prevent war so they are taking place all the time, directly, by proxy and cold wars with real economic and health consequences. If it should happen that some countries are the ‘main problem’ in this regard (continuously starting or funding wars) there are still major, painful lessons to learn before we learn what to do about it.

    The desire after the Great War to form a League of Nations with an international Force that would permanently end it with a compact of mutual support against any aggressor was motivated by those who had suffered the most – European countries. Some people learn the hard, hard way. Clearly we are still at risk of those lessons if the general population cannot get it through their heads that war is not good for children and other living things, and that it can ony be banned permanently by an international force made up of soldiers contributed by all the signatory states. If we all lived in the RDC we would favour such a force to rescue us from the endless mini-wars perpetrated by the large nations vying for power, resources and the right to deny those to others. The Great Game they call it. Well, the Great Game sucks if you are not an inhabitant of one of the far-off perpetrator nations. They have no right to conduct their excursive missions of misery and if they cannot control themselves, the victims should unite to stay the hands of their oppressors. As it is said, “The sheep have the right to kill the wolf.”

    As the perpetrator nations (there are many) show no signs of acting as good global citizens, then the inevitable consequence will be unified and coordinated action through elected representatives who have the mandate to act on behalf of the globe against errant behaviour. Such an initiative is quite reasonably called global governance. It would include an international criminal court (the ICC was already established), a trade regulation system that is above national authority (WTO), supra-national regulation of nuclear materials (AEC) and so on. There is nothing at all wrong with these ‘departments’ of global governance. They prevent wars, both ‘trade wars’ and hot ones. The ICC’s reach is real and leaders who were once untouchable now spend sleepless nights worrying about getting prosecuted. With time the ICC’s power will grow because in the end, everyone wants justice.

  76. Crispin in Waterloo says:

    Citing:

    “Rare snowfall stuns much of South Africa”

    What rubbish. There are ski clubs in South Africa. You think they only operated for 22 days in the past century?? Look up “Rhodes ski South Africa”. There are even permanent SNOW/SNEEU warning signs on high passes.

    It regularly snows in the Eastern Cape in Winter. I have built snowmen in MacLear with a bakkie full of kids from lower altitude where it is rare.

    It snows down to 100m above Mthatha for heavens sake. It snowed 11 inches in Western Swaziland and people talked about “the last time it snowed like this”.

    The unusual part of the snow cover this week is the low(er) altitude. The reason is not that it is never cold enough to snow – it is often below zero C. The thing is it usually does not rain in winter. Southern Africa is at the wet end of its 18.7 year drought cycle (lunar) and it is precipitating in August when “normally” it would have stopped in April. The precipitation is well within natural variation. It will snow next year too. There will be a long drought centered around the year 2021 and people will all cry ‘global warming’!

    Bliksem!

  77. Mr Lynn says:

    Crispin in Waterloo says:
    August 8, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    ‘Global governance’ sounds promising, until you realize that if it isn’t government “of the people, by the people, for the people,” dedicated to the dignity and worth of the individual, it will be . . .

    Tyranny.

    /Mr Lynn

  78. Smokey says:

    Crispin says:

    “There is nothing at all wrong with these ‘departments’ of global governance. They prevent wars, both ‘trade wars’ and hot ones. The ICC’s reach is real and leaders who were once untouchable now spend sleepless nights worrying about getting prosecuted. With time the ICC’s power will grow because in the end, everyone wants justice.”

    .

    In the end, no one wants justice for themselves. They only want ‘justice’ for others. And there’s the rub.

    Many folks are already discussing using the International Criminal Court [ICC] to exact revenge on those who are supposedly emitting too much “carbon”.

    I also note that the United Nations has never prevented a war. And the peace they attempt to broker never seems to work. [North and South Korea are still very much at war, both on paper and in reality, 59 years later.] It can be credibly argued that without the UN there would be fewer wars.

    Any world govenrment will be immediately usurped and controlled by the same type of tyrants that control numerous other organizations. ‘Dictatorship of the proletariat’ will be the unavoidable and inevitable result — and the proletariat will be every bit as helpless, impotent and unarmed as it is in every Communist country.

    Be careful what you wish for, because if you trade your freedom for security, you will end up with neither.

  79. Jimbo says:

    More signs that the dice is loaded. /sarc

    QUEENSLANDERS are still defrosting after temperatures dropped to below zero in some parts of the state overnight…………………Bundaberg Airport was a standout, falling to 3.4 degrees Friday morning, the coldest morning in 17 years and eight degrees below average. It was also Bundaberg’s coldest August morning in almost 50 years.
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/queensland-shivers-on-record-cold-day/story-fndo45r1-1226441960673

    At the airport of all places I tells ya! This is a sure sign of global warming climate whatever.

  80. William Grubel says:

    Sen Reid has lately become know as the ‘Dirty Liar’ in the senate. I would say ‘Dirty rotten, low life, scum sucking, bottom dwelling Liar, but I don’t want to offend catfish. I would say more, but I also don’t want to get snipped. Remember when being a member of the senate was a proud thing to be and having truth on your side was a good thing?

  81. AndyG55 says:

    And just how is an UHI induced earlier start to spring flowering, a problem…

    unless it is followed by a late frost..

  82. Neil says:

    @ Smokey:

    “Be careful what you wish for, because if you trade your freedom for security, you will end up with neither.”

    A good point, but there is a bigger problem – those (including warmists) that want to “trade” my and your freedom for their security.

  83. Steve C says:

    Crispin in Waterloo, I agree entirely with your conclusions. There is much indeed that must be agreed between countries: you mention war and famine as the outstanding instances, but there are many less extreme examples – the laws of the sea, standardisation of radio frequency allocations, crimefighting – come to think of it, almost everything which doesn’t impinge directly on people’s identification of themselves with their country.

    The truly terrifying prospect, though, is the accession to real global power of the currently unelected, unaccountable “international” power clique, an event which must be prevented at all costs. When every individual in some future “global governance” authority is accountable to, and is removable, in a timely way, by, the ordinary people of some country, I shall be prepared to recognise that authority. Until then, the current vile collection – UN, EU, take your pick – has no true authority whatsoever, and should – must – be fought with every resource available. These people have declared their position: 90%+ of the human race are “useless eaters” and must be disposed of so as to permit a self-styled “élite” to assume dictatorial power. No. The 1% (or less) who think that way are the corruption which presents us all with a major problem, and not until these defective specimens are removed completely from the equation will the human race be able to make decisions which properly represent all of humanity.

    Sadly, as things stand currently, we appear to be on course not for such a utopia but for “the war of all against all”. Given that the scum which has floated to the top appears wholly deficient in basic humanity and has de facto control of all the world’s militia, the outcome isn’t pretty, and it doesn’t even pretend to be democratic. Yes, we all want justice, but we need to press that need home , before we are prevented from doing so.

    From stupid comments about cherry blossom to concerned fretting about arrogant power “élites” in one thread. I love this site.

  84. TonyG says:

    It seems to me that the pro-warmist rhetoric has increased significantly in volume (both in terms of loudness and in terms of quantity) in recent weeks. Anyone else seeing that?

  85. Jeff Alberts says:

    For balance, the spring blooms in the Pacific Northwest have been late for the last few years due to cold. Of course they’re never going to be exactly “on time”, they’ll always be a little early or a little late, that’s how you end up with an average.

  86. Dreadnought says:

    Ouch, not only this numpty facepalm on his humongous cherry blossom FAIL, but he also deployed the unforgivable term ‘denier’ (and I don’t think he was referring the rating of his tights).

    I just hope he felt the stinging burn of the blowback when he got rumbled for it…

    }:o(

  87. Dreadnought says:

    @TonyG

    Yes indeed, funnily enough I just said the same on another thread – it seems like The Team have launched a reinvigorated CAGW broadside through their multitude of MSM mouthpieces.

    Fortunately, there are good folk such as Mr Watts to pull the skirts up on their naughties, hehe!

  88. Amber says:

    Check Hansens site he has nooo climate science background,he is an astronomer and a loon.

  89. Smokey says:

    Steve C,

    This may interest you:

    No sugarcoating.

    And who elected Herman van Rompuy as President of the EU? The people? Nah.

    [Another classic]

  90. Susan S. says:

    A link, a paper written and the trees that are planted in Washington are hybrids which are known to bloom earlier when there is a noted UHI in this paper. (Note they are hybrids. So I don’t know how they can use newer data against the old data, as they are hybrids of the original species, and not the original trees any longer.) http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.edu/pdf/articles/1893.pdf

  91. Larry in Texas says:

    Harry Reid is a KNOWN liar, a paid liar at that. Look at what he’s tried to do to Mitt Romney. So this latest lie doesn’t surprise me. I know of no one else who gives politicians such a bad name.

  92. Brian H says:

    GeoLurking says:
    August 8, 2012 at 7:46 am

    “…basically he’s the poster child for “bad senator” – unable refusing to get a budget done in 3 years…”

    Better wording.

    Beat me to it. “Continuing resolutions” (repeating the ’09 budget ad infinitum) seem to suit him to a D.

  93. Brian H says:

    Ian W says:
    August 8, 2012 at 9:36 am

    But the real surprise of the bulletin is this sentence: “U.S. emissions have now fallen by 430 Mt (7.7%) since 2006, the largest reduction of all countries or regions.” Re-read that last clause slowly: “the largest reduction of all countries or regions.”
    http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/06/energy-fact-of-the-week-the-u-s-has-the-best-co2-reduction-record-in-the-world/

    So contrary to Reid’s protestations the USA is actually leading the world in reduction in generation of plant food.

    The reason? Economic slowdown (both cause and effect of reduced CO2 generation) and massive economics-driven switchover to frac-gas-powered electrical generation (at about ¼ the price other parts of the world pay for nat-gas). (CH4 gets half its energy when burned from creating H20, while coal produces 100% CO2. Coal is therefore better, but I digress ..)

  94. Brian H says:

    Gail Combs says:
    August 8, 2012 at 9:41 am

    That means you are aware of it and ignore it. Unfortunately for some reason (Thanks MSM) Americans seem to think if it comes out of the mouth of a Democrat or a Journalist it has to be the truth and if it comes out of the mouth of a Republican they have to be lying.

    Not if the question is clear and important. See Walker/Wisconsin. Despite an all-in push by unions and MSM, resounding defeat for his recall (first failed governor recall evah). Combined union and Dem spending was twice per vote obtained of the Rep. outlay. And it failed spectacularly.

    Don’t ‘cynicize’ yourself into despair. You are far from alone.

  95. Brian H says:

    Billy says:
    August 8, 2012 at 10:33 am

    “As Americans, we have the power to choose the kind of world in which we live.”

    The press release says to me that the gov’t can provide any weather they want to. Why not just go to the weather control room and turn off the drought and turn up the water in the Mississippi? Why play games?

    Be REAL careful what you ask for. Those taps you refer to are universal taxation and privation and subjugation. That’s how the weather is manipulated, doncha know?

  96. Brian H says:

    Smokey says:
    August 8, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Crispin
    jada-yada…

    Be careful what you wish for, because if you trade your freedom for security, you will end up with neither.

    I think he wants to trade our freedom for his security.

  97. Shevva says:

    Using the same idiotic logic as this bloke, i don’t believe in CAGW because over here in the UK we have not had a summer at all.

    We’ve probably had less than 10 full days of sun here (I’m defining this as from sun up to sun down with 5% cloud cover, it’s a finger in the air test, abit like counting cherry blossoms or cherry picking if you like).

  98. Manfred says:

    TonyG says:
    August 8, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    I agree TonyG. Subject to observer and confirmation bias I suspect that the stridency has ramped up, the claims are more than usually ludicrous, and the avoidance of debate and fact is the norm. All that matters is ‘image projection’. With the easily co-opted, manipulated and delinquent MSM, I believe that the unchecked warmists cannot be saved from themselves. Consequently, the day must not be so far off when they will run out of feet to shoot themselves in. One hopes they don’t turn their guns on us.

  99. DEEBEE says:

    The word is out, a 100 years ago Mitt’s great-grand father made his returns for all the past generations available and it showed they had paid taxes. Do not know why Mitts is reticent both in exposure and payment.

  100. Resourceguy says:

    A con job from the Master Sen. Con himself

  101. Crispin in Waterloo says:

    @several

    “In the end, no one wants justice for themselves. They only want ‘justice’ for others. And there’s the rub.”

    That’s pretty funny. Why is it that anytime we talk of sensible management of global affairs, it is automatically assumed that it means the UN and its unanswerable minions? Don’t people have any imagination? Stop looking backward.

    The ‘tyranny’ that is supposed to automatically come anything that is not the US Constitution – well, from here a two party system of picking the lesser, rich crook does not look like such a great system either. Perhaps everyone can think a little more broadly than the institutions that have heretofore been cobbled together (like the EU and UN).

    It is often said (as Smokey has repeated above) that the UN never stopped any wars. Well, this is simply not correct. The UN was put together to prevent wards between the Big Powers, and it has done that save for trying to scare each other witless during the Cold War. The Security Council was put together with the Big Boys getting permanent seats and the Veto was created to keep them on board. That has worked pretty well. There is nothing ‘from the people by the people for the people’ about that at all. So it is not a representative governance system at all – one country one vote no matter how big is and so on. I to NOT advocate turning the UN in anything like its presently lamentable form into a system for global governance. Save your electrons. I am on your side.

    But to say that because the UN has so many failings that it did not serve its primary purpose (to prevent WW III) and to provide a forum where steam can be let off, is not fair to the good efforts that have been made. That it cannot guarantee to prevent war is true, because if one country pursues a war against another without declaring it, there is no international force available to stop them. That is has prevented war is also true. The NK situation suits several of the great powers and so it remains in a state of permanent tension. This is hardly news.

    Re the ICC and prosecuting carbon emitters (or banning curved bananas) – that is the sort of nonsense that an elected government would prevent. It is the unelected nature of the current bodies that worries me. Just because I am worried does not mean I look forward to unending balances of terror as the future of humankind. That is a ridiculous aspiration. It is in fact inhuman and only benefits the military-industrial complex. Military-industrial complexes should also not have enough power to start and conduct wars, and the population of the world has the right, as agroup, to democratically and forcibly stop them. The alternative is tyranny, a rather common way of life for many people.

  102. Smokey says:

    Crispin says:

    “It is the unelected nature of the current bodies that worries me.”

    That worries me, too, and lots of others. As you can see, with the sole exception of Angela Merkel, no one in the EU was legitimately elected. They are all pals and cronies. Who elected Herman van Rompuy as EU President? Who is Herman van Rompuy?? He is an insider who has never been elected. And now he heads the EU! That is the future you are advocating.

    In any world government the ‘proletariat’ will be subjugated. They will never be allowed to elect their own representatives. Never. Human nature will see to that.

    Niccolo Machiavelli wrote, “Men are bad unless compelled to be good.” What, exactly, will compel a world government to operate fairly, openly, and honestly? Per Gresham’s Law, the bad will drive out the good. It is inevitable. The only way to avoid world tyranny is with competition between countries.

    The best course of action is for sovereign states to make alliances with others for their mutual welfare, protection, and benefit. A world government would have no competition, therefore it would inevitably end up exactly like the UN and EU: a completely opaque, undemocratic dictatorship that will, over time, ratchet up its hold over the citizenrey. Tyranny, plain and simple. Subjects will toe the line – or they will be crushed.

    There is no greater danger to the average person than world government. It would use its subjects as revenue generators, taxing the life out of them. History shows that this always happens.

    Finally, I disagree with the idea that the UN has ever stopped a war. The UN fought a major war in Korea. MAD [mutually assured destruction via nuclear weapons] is what prevented WWIII, nothing else. The UN used to have some good features, but no more. It has become completely corrupted, as would any successor world government.

    Handing our heads on a platter to others for the sake of a mythical ‘security’ would be insane.

  103. TonyG says:

    My nerf gun has prevented an alien invasion. How do I know? There hasn’t been an alien invasion since I got it.

    That’s about the same argument being made about the UN preventing wars. Same thing as with “climate change” – correlation is not causation. Just because we haven’t seen WWIII since the UN was created does NOT mean that the UN has prevented it.

  104. Laurie says:

    @ Smokey
    Well, maybe there is some good news out there!
    “Deputy district director Don Yowchuang, district director Paul Seewald, district representative Mary Melissa Turnbull and staffer Lorianne O’Brady face charges ranging from forgery and conspiracy to falsely signing election documents. The four are expected to be arraigned this week, attorney general’s spokeswoman Joy Yearout said.” http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/19234130/charges-planned-in-mccotter-petition-investigation

    Along with the bad news . . . “I do not leave for an existing job and face diminishing prospects . . .
    earnest and thorough investigation, which I requested.” former Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.)
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/242953-staffers-of-former-rep-mccotter-charged-with-forging-ballot-petition-signatures

    maybe it is a beginning of a return to some integrity, but, it has quite a price!

  105. Crispin in Waterloo says:

    @Smokey

    “Who elected Herman van Rompuy as EU President? Who is Herman van Rompuy?? He is an insider who has never been elected. And now he heads the EU! That is the future you are advocating.”

    It is, specifically, NOT the future I am advocating. I am advocating an elected leadership. Please read what I wrote. There is a statistically significant difference between what I am advocating and whay you write that I am advocating.

    My point of speaking up was that anything to do with properly operating the planet is sniped at as some form of ‘handing over power to …..” as if there were only two (stupid) choices. There are lots of choices. The EU leadership is not elected. I advocate the election of leaders. How plainly can I state that? How can there be a democratic leadership if it is not elected? I am not advocating the EU as a model because it is not democratic but it has brought a lot of benefits to the member populations even without being so. It could be a lot better if they fixed up their system. I have significantly criticised the UN structures for NOT being democratic nor elected. What else is there to say the separates my vision of a better world from those two institutions? The UN needs major restructuring – perhaps replacement is a better idea. But the need remains because the countries, operating as unaccountable islands, would sink in a sea of conflict of all types without global coordinating bodies.

    Just because I think we need international management of international things does not mean I have to ‘pick one of the existing institutions’.

    Did Anthony have to pick one of the existing methods of temperature correction of poorly-placed recording stations and accept whatever the result was? No. He advocated initiating a review of what the stations were like then chose a brand new WMO accepted method of analysing the data.

    If someone tells you that in order to do a proper management job of the planet requires ‘handing over power to an unelected Darth Vader’ be a little skeptical and accept that they have a political agenda. My observation is that people are happy to glean the benefits of international cooperation and still complain about the existence of the institutions that coordinate it. That is hypocritical.

    Further, what’s the null hypothesis? How would we even be able to communicate using this blog without the coordinating and rule-making abilities of the international institution that runs the web?

    @TonyG
    “Just because we haven’t seen WWIII since the UN was created does NOT mean that the UN has prevented it.”

    Thanks for this, you are quite right if you only look at what has not happened, though some say WWIII was fought on different terms and is on-going. The Blue Helmets have stopped lots of conflicts but they are pretty toothless now, right? How effective were they in Sudan? Not an meaningful deterrent to the Big Boys and that is why I do not advocate the current UN model. It is not working well enough for the small, weak countries and is unfair to countries with a large population.

    I would be interested in your view of the null hypothesis as well. What would have happened after WWII if the US had not joined the UN? Their failure to join the League of Nations led directly to the second World War because there was no way (in Europe) to prevent it. The US was critical but still in ‘island America’ mode politifcally. I believe this correlation argument carries about equal weight to yours – both true but neither prove much. We don’t have another planet to use as an experimental control to know for sure.

    But, seeing as we have tried war so many times, let’s try peace for a while. If it doesn’t work, it will be easy to start fighting again. It still amazes me how afraid people are of a world that is peaceful and democratic. The two are not mutually exclusive. We have to use our imaginations more and not be bound by the shibboleths of our fathers.

  106. Smokey says:

    Crispin,

    I think we are discussing two different things here. It is my contention that any global governance scheme will devoilve into a dictatorship, because there is no competition to prevent that from happening. I won’t speak for you, but your argument seems to be based on a need for security. Is that right?

    All of your examples above can be accomplished through bilateral and multilateral agreements between countries, thus keeping competition intact. Because without competition, a UN-type world government will result. If you think about it, competition is the basis for the universe working. Atoms compete with valence for other atoms; molecules for other molecules and atoms, and so on. Natural selection is based entirely on competition. The free market is based on competition. So is everything else. Without it, things stagnate and ossify. With competition comes much wealth; everyone in society benefits.

    If a world government could be reliably devised that protected individual and group freedom, and only provided for fair regulation to set a level economic playing field, and limited its taxes to something reasonable, then I would immediately agree to it. But that is crazy talk, it will never happen in reality. People always want more. And people in government eventually get it, at the expense of everyone else.

    Human nature is an inexorable force, always pushing in the direction of serving those in power. There is not the slightest doubt that dictatorship and tyranny would result from a world government. Who would you go to in order to correct the inevitable excesses? There is no competitor. And I am not willing to trade what little freedom I have left for cradle-to-grave security — at the expense of most of my earnings, tight limits on my economic freedom, and being forced to kowtow to the ruling power, or face the certainty of being destroyed. Just look at Chinese or Cuban dissidents who speak out. Illegitimate power brooks no dissent.

    The UN is the template for world government. Look at their actions: they demand ever more money, and they hate us for not giving them more. They regard the U.S. as the enemy, there is no doubt. Now they demand a .7% World Tax, to be paid by the G-8. Does any rational person believe that if they get their .7% tax, that it will stay at .7%?? The U.S. income tax was sold to citizens based on the promise that it would never exceed 1% of income. Ha!

    A world government and ICC are the worst possible ‘solutions’ to a non-problem.

    And for the record, the League of Nations was as irrelevant in preventing WWII as the UN was in preventing the Korean war, or the Vietnam war, or the Khmer Rouge, or the invasion of Grenada, or the Falklands war, or the Balkans war, or the African wars, or the Gulf War, or the Iran-Iraq war, etc. Good intentions, and all that. The Treaty of Versailles had severely punished Germany, requiring Germans to pay mainly France six billion gold marks, an impossible demand. There was not that much gold in the world at that time. That led to hyper inflation during the Weimar Republic, and then directly to Hitler. Can you blame the German people? Germany held more territory at the Armistice than before the war began. They were double-crossed by Woodrow Wilson, and the rest, as they say, is history.

    World government is exactly like giving a casual acquaintance signature authority over your checking account. No good will ever come of it.

  107. Justa Joe says:

    It seemed like ol’ Harry had been chastened for a while by his last close election, but as one should have expected he’s back to his old tricks again tough the past tough election just a distant memory.

  108. higley7 says:

    In 1970 or 71, it was so warm during two weeks of January in Philadelphia that the cherry trees blossomed big time; then winter came back full-time. It was probably even warmer in DC. Reid is the poster-child for a walking idiot.

    He and Pelosi are showing themselves to be complete imbeciles. Who elected them? Do the people ever wonder how their representatives can be so stupid and delusional?

  109. Crispin in Waterloo says:

    @Smokey

    “Human nature is an inexorable force, always pushing in the direction of serving those in power. ”

    I have a different understanding of human nature. We have a very positive side and we are quite capable of controlling ourselves when we choose to. Humanity has been advancing in civilisation organising the fringes into more and large coherent wholes. The fringes met ‘of the far side’ and the only fringes remaining (almost) are in the minds of the globe’s citizens.

    I am happy to hear that you would support a reasonable system that is fair. Politicians have so discredited themselves through greed and self-promotion that it is widely believed that they represent ‘human nature’. Well, they don’t represent me, that’s for sure. One of the thigns that makes Canadian towns quite reasonable to administer is that there are no party affiliations at election time. People can be put on the ballot who do not even run, but if they are respected, they are placed in positions of power. That interests me. We are so used to pointing out that politicians are lying weasels we forget that there are millions of perople who are not, but they do not seek power. Were the election processes not tilted towards the weasels getting it, we would choose much more wisely.

  110. benfrommo says:

    Just a small correction: The League of Nations did nothing to prevent WW2. The second Germany started breaking the treaty they should have stepped in, but they did nothing. America being part of that stopped nothing, because as an European conflict it would have fallen to the French especially to stop the escalation. When Hitler moved his troops into the demilitarized zone of the Rhineland in 1936, he stated in surviving manuscripts that he was so nervous that the French would balk and destroy him. At that point, his army despite in the process of increasing in both arms and men, was still so small that the French could have wiped the floor with him.

    Instead of doing something, they both complained to “german ambassador’s” and started the process of appeasement. League of nations never could have done anything because the US had gone isolationist by this time and Hitler was never worried about it in the first place.

    It was an organization that had no real power to prevent war anyway. So no, the US failing to join the League of Nations had no effect on this. Whether or not we had joined, the organization was toothless just like the UN is.

    Name just one war that the UN prevented? WW3 does not count because that was prevented by MAD. What prevented WW3 even more was the detente and the establishment of the red line between Washington and Moscow. What could the UN do to stop the launching of nukes? Tell people they would send in “peacekeepers” after both powers obliiterated each other?

    That is a joke. The UN never did anything but serve as a political tool. And today its just gone out of control.

  111. Crispin in Waterloo says:

    @benfrommo says:
    >Just a small correction: The League of Nations did nothing to prevent WW2.

    Thanks for mentioning this – I was actually checking in to catch up on that. I suggest that claims about what an organisation did or did not prevent are always a stretch but the importance of the absence of the US should not be overlooked. The LoN had no meaningful way to prevent Hitler from doing what he wanted. Smokey pointed out what Hitler used as an excuse to ‘get revenge’ – the iniquitious settlement of WWI. So one can point to the roots of conflict, but no one has spent much time looking at how WWII might have been prevented, or what it would have taken to guarantee it. My point is that there are always roots to conflicts, but there are also ways to prevent the conflict from taking place, sometimes by force. For that force to be legitimate, it has to be authorised, preferably by everyone. A single-country global police force is not acceptable because it leads to ‘empire’.

    When industry has such a grip on national politicians that they influence governmental behaviour in favour of wars to get business, that is a very serious problem. When it happens with a very powerful nation, the rest of the world is at serious risk.

    So the point I wanted to add today, touched on by you, is that the root of a conflict – any conflict – can be seen, analysed and explained. That is helpful for avoiding future conflict, however it does not address at all what is needed to prevent those valid excuses exploding into war.

    One common excuse for war is disagreements over where borders are located. Until an international tribunal with ‘final authority’ permanently fixes all borders, there will continue to be wars just over borders. There are dozens of them on low boil right now. So without any international body both to set the borders and to enforce them, aspirant and grudge-bearing ‘losers’ will reanimate the conflict when it suits them. We can’t just sit back and say, ‘boys will be boys’. That is outdated 20th century BS.

    I agree with you that the UN in its present form has become corrupted and is not serving its intended purpose (which was quite a good one). I do not quote for supplying UN materials anymore because of endemic corruption in the projects. I don’t want my company asociated with that. I have never paid a bribe of even $1 to do business, or to stay in business. If no one want my products honestly I will close and do something else. If everyone behaved similarly, corruption would rapidly vanish. Corruption requires more than one participant. That is why one hears so frequently about ‘the best politicians money can buy’.

  112. Irfan says:

    Brian,I think you grant Harry Reid the benefit of tbheoudt when you claim that he took a pro-life position”due to his Mormon faith.”Back when Reid first entered politics taking apro-life stand was expedient for a Democrat. In practice, he found it amazingly useful indeceiving the electorate about his underlyingliberalism. “He’s a pro-life Mormon…!” lead readers to conclude he was much more conservativethat the facts indicated.His actions of filibustering pro-life judicialnominees indicates that he is not really pro-life.Taking the pro-life position is the safest “conservative” position for liberal seeking coverto take. The courts make such a stance academic, andHarry Reid is making sure that the courts never dochange!Whether, or not, he is a Mormon Christian is purelya matter of speculation. Politicians proclaimingtheir piety is SOP for politicians. Many suchproclaimations are insincere.Why give him the benefit of the doubt?Dave from Reno,I use to call in to your show frequently.

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