Weak solar convection – approximately 100 times slower than scientists had previously projected

Fig. 1. Line-of-sight Doppler velocities are measured every 45 seconds at
4096  4096 pixels on the solar photosphere by the Helioseismic and Magnetic
Imager (background image). We cross correlate wave field records of temporal length T at points on opposing quadrants (blue with blue or red with red).

From New York University:  Researchers create ‘MRI’ of the sun’s interior motions

A team of scientists has created an “MRI” of the Sun’s interior plasma motions, shedding light on how it transfers heat from its deep interior to its surface. The result, which appears in the journal the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, upends our understanding of how heat is transported outwards by the Sun and challenges existing explanations of the formation of sunspots and magnetic field generation.

The Sun’s heat, generated by nuclear fusion in its core, is transported to the surface by convection in the outer third. However, our understanding of this process is largely theoretical—the Sun is opaque, so convection cannot be directly observed. As a result, theories largely rest on what we know about fluid flow and then applying them to the Sun, which is primarily composed of hydrogen, helium, and plasma. 

Developing a more precise grasp of convection is vital to comprehending a range of phenomena, including the formation of sunspots, which have a lower temperature than the rest of the Sun’s surface, and the Sun’s magnetic field, which is created by its interior plasma motions.

In order to develop their “MRI” of the Sun’s plasma flows, the researchers examined high-resolution images of the Sun’s surface taken by the Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager (HMI) onboard NASA’s Solar Dynamics Observatory. Using a 16-million pixel camera, HMI measures motions on the Sun’s surface caused by convection.

Once the scientists captured the precise movement waves on the Sun’s surface, they were able to calculate its unseen plasma motions. This procedure is not unlike measuring the strength and direction of an ocean’s current by monitoring the time it takes a swimmer to move across the water—currents moving against the swimmer will result in slower times while those going in the same direction will produce faster times, with stronger and weaker currents enhancing or diminishing the impact on the swimmer.

What they found significantly departed from existing theory–specifically, the speed of the Sun’s plasma motions were approximately 100 times slower than scientists had previously projected.

“Our current theoretical understanding of magnetic field generation in the Sun relies on these motions being of a certain magnitude,” explained Shravan Hanasoge, an associate research scholar in geosciences at Princeton University and a visiting scholar at NYU’s Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences. “These convective motions are currently believed to prop up large-scale circulations in the outer third of the Sun that generate magnetic fields.”

“However, our results suggest that convective motions in the Sun are nearly 100 times smaller than these current theoretical expectations,” continued Hanasoge, also a postdoctoral fellow at the Max Plank Institute in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany. “If these motions are indeed that slow in the Sun, then the most widely accepted theory concerning the generation of solar magnetic field is broken, leaving us with no compelling theory to explain its generation of magnetic fields and the need to overhaul our understanding of the physics of the Sun’s interior.”

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The study’s other co-authors were Thomas Duvall, an astrophysicist at NASA, and Katepalli Sreenivasan, University Professor in NYU’s Department of Physics and Courant Institute. Sreenivasan is also Senior Vice Provost for Science and Technology for the Global Network University at NYU and Provost of Polytechnic Institute of NYU.

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ANOMALOUSLY WEAK SOLAR CONVECTION

Shravan M. Hanasoge  y and Thomas L. Duvall, Jr. z and Katepalli R. Sreenivasan

Convection in the solar interior is thought to comprise structures on a spectrum of scales. This conclusion emerges from phenomenological studies and numerical simulations, though neither covers the proper range of dynamical parameters of solar convection. Here, we analyze observations of the wavefield in the solar photosphere using techniques of time-distance helioseismology to image flows in the solar interior. We downsample and synthesize 900 billion wave-feld observations to produce 3 billion cross-correlations, which we average and fit, measuring 5 million wave travel times. Using these travel times, we deduce the underlying flow systems and study their statistics to bound convective velocity magnitudes in the solar interior, as a function of depth and spherical-harmonic degree l. Within the wavenumber band l < 60, Convective velocities are 20-100 times weaker than current theoretical estimates. This suggests the prevalence of a different paradigm of turbulence from that predicted by existing models, prompting the question: what mechanism transports the heat ux of a solar luminosity outwards? Advection is dominated by Coriolis forces for wavenumbers  l< 60, with Rossby numbers smaller than ~10-2 at r/Rθ= 0.96, suggesting that the Sun may be a much faster rotator than previously thought, and that large-scale convection may be quasi-geostrophic. The fact that iso-rotation contours in the Sun are not co-aligned with the axis of rotation suggests the presence of a latitudinal entropy gradient.

paper here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.3173.pdf

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geo
July 9, 2012 12:26 am

Well now. That looks like the fox just achieved entry to the henhouse. Will the farmer knock him off expeditiously? Or will a bunch of new hens have to be acquired quickly?

David Schofield
July 9, 2012 12:48 am

Models 0
Observations 1

July 9, 2012 12:50 am

Wow! Exciting times for solar science.

Sceptical lefty
July 9, 2012 1:07 am

I suppose the ‘electric universe’ nutcases might have a coherent explanation, but nobody takes these deniers of conventional cosmology seriously. Best to stick with what we know (doesn’t work).

Almah Geddon
July 9, 2012 1:11 am

Our theory doesn’t match observation, therefore our theory is wrong. There is still real science being done.

Mike McMillan
July 9, 2012 1:13 am

“…using techniques of time-distance helioseismology to image ows in the solar interior…”
“Using these travel times, we deduce the underlying ow systems and study …”

These bolded words should be ‘flows’ and ‘flow.’
A pdf, will sometimes use a ligature character for ff, ffi, fl, and fi. Cutting and pasting won’t pick up these non-standard pdf characters.

steveta_uk
July 9, 2012 1:18 am

composed of hydrogen, helium, and plasma

In order to develop their “MRI” of the Sun’s plasma flows

I assume this means that the writers of the press releases think that science journos that are the target of the release are too technically incompetent to write their own dumbed-down versions for public consumption.

AndyG55
July 9, 2012 1:25 am

We fluids and water guys most often avoid turbulence areas in any calculation. Chaos rules in these areas. There is MUCH we don’t know. Butterfly wings etc….
How do you model and analyse chaotic system with accuracy…….. ya don’t !!
Stochastic and statistical analysis can help, but as you can see from the number of “suggests” in the above, any implied accuracy is a daydream.
Oh wait… the Earth’s atmosphere and climate is a chaotic system.. I guess the computer modellers know best.. LOL !!!

S Basinger
July 9, 2012 1:37 am

Queue Oliver K Manuel.

Gene
July 9, 2012 2:42 am

“The Sun’s heat, generated by nuclear fusion in its core, is transported to the surface by convection in the outer third. However, our understanding of this process is largely theoretical…”
Anthony, our understanding of the heat being generated by nuclear fusion in the core is also theoretical, and entirely so.

Julian Braggins
July 9, 2012 2:50 am

“Convective velocities are 20-100 times weaker than current theoretical estimates”
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Oops, back to the drawing board for basic assumptions? . EU anybody?

Paul Westhaver
July 9, 2012 3:44 am

Interesting article. I was reading it looking for evidence of insinuations of periodic behavior on the 11 year period scale. I believe the data is limited to a 27 day cycle (the period of the sun’s rotation). I didn’t see anything there, but the granularity is something.
… a couple of references to spherical harmonics but nothing that I could see that spoke to the 2022 anticipated near cessation of circulation activity. I wonder, there was a NASA guy in the paper but not sure if he was involved in the so the NASA prediction of the low flow of 2022 predicted in 2006.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/10may_longrange/

RobertvdL
July 9, 2012 4:05 am

Is solar convection always so weak or do we have a ‘weak’ sun because of slower convection ?

Paul Westhaver
July 9, 2012 4:09 am

Just a thought.. and question…
Has there been any suggestion of a semisolid nugget or highly pressurized core in the sun? Something that acts like a slow moving stir stick, sort of a circulation memory that paces the slower cycles?

Brian H
July 9, 2012 4:11 am

Uh-oh! More encouragement for the “Iron Sun” and EU heretics. This study must be suppressed immediately. Else faith in the opening credo will be weakened: “The Sun’s heat, generated by nuclear fusion in its core, ….”

Fred
July 9, 2012 4:23 am

Interesting. So our base understanding of the fundamental principles which power our sun are incomplete or wrong, so I guess we can assume that counting on a nearly invariant sun in climate models is also wrong or incomplete.

July 9, 2012 4:29 am

If I understand correctly, this study is roughly equivalent to trying to figure out the large scale circulation of the Eath’s atmosphere , given detailed samples of radiation escaping at the top. Since the Sun’s atmosphere (“photosphere”) is opaque at all observing frequencies, this would be more like figuring out the circulation of Venus’ atmosphere.

Nerd
July 9, 2012 4:47 am

Sceptical lefty says:
July 9, 2012 at 1:07 am
I suppose the ‘electric universe’ nutcases might have a coherent explanation, but nobody takes these deniers of conventional cosmology seriously. Best to stick with what we know (doesn’t work).
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Lol. Might as well pay more attention to them. Liberal-complex academia is doing poorly these days… It’s hard to get anything going when they are in the way controlling everything from their Ivory Tower. We progress so slowly… That’s for sure.
Explain why we have sun scare but we depend on the sun for health? Why are they saying to avoid the sun to prevent skin cancer but we need the sun to cut down all kinds of cancer? 🙂

Mr Lynn
July 9, 2012 5:11 am

Gene says:
July 9, 2012 at 2:42 am
“The Sun’s heat, generated by nuclear fusion in its core, is transported to the surface by convection in the outer third. However, our understanding of this process is largely theoretical…”
Anthony, our understanding of the heat being generated by nuclear fusion in the core is also theoretical, and entirely so.

Anthony didn’t write that. He is posting a press release from New York University.
Readers constantly mistake quoted material for Anthony’s (and guest authors’) own words. Are there no formatting options in WordPress that will more clearly delineate quoted from original text? The simple Blockquote command (as above) should suffice, but large blocks of italics are daunting to some. Perhaps using indenting and a different Roman font would work, along with dividing borders.
/Mr Lynn

Dr. Lurtz
July 9, 2012 6:07 am

The first step on the way to a new theory is to discard the “words” that link your thoughts to the old theory. For example:
“The Sun’s heat, generated by nuclear fusion in its core, is transported to the surface by convection in the outer third. However, our understanding of this process is largely theoretical…”; the “words” ‘nuclear fusion in its core’ predispose one to the old theory.
The core is composed of 75% Helium [a waste product of Hydrogen fusion – Wiki]. Helium does not fuse at the lower temperatures and pressures that Hydrogen fuses. Helium fusion starts when gravity compresses the older star’s core after the Hydrogen is no longer available.
I would propose that Hydrogen fusion must take place on the surface of the core, and that the interior of the core is the waste dump for Helium. This would put the Hydrogen fusion at the inner edge of the radiative zone. In addition, the fusion locations would be highly non-uniformly distributed. This would produce hot locations and cooler locations producing convection just due to temperature, pressure differences.

Schitzree
July 9, 2012 6:09 am

Can i safely assume that, as this isn’t climate sience, the data and modles will be avalabe?

eyesonu
July 9, 2012 6:22 am

Will there be a circling of the wagons by the ‘old guard’ to destroy the careers of those who have observed something that hasn’t been observed or contradicts the theories of the current models and force the resignation of the editors of PNAS for publishing it?
Oh wait, that only happens in so-called ‘climate science’.

July 9, 2012 6:26 am

Nature has its reasons.
Some 30-40 years ago our own Dr. S (and his colleague) found out that the sun ‘has preferable’ longitude of activity, which drifts around very, very slowly. Joan Feynman referred to it as ‘magnetic memory’; I made an effort to depict it graphically from more recent data
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LFC7.htm
even our own earth is magnetically lumpy (to the east latitudes) http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/GMFd.gif possibly due to extra liquid at the east of the core http://phys.org/news191053615.html#nRlv
And surprise, surprise even the earth’s magnetic field oscillates, but fortunately for its inhabitants very weakly, barely noticeable.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2420
Solar science is fine but more investigation of our own planet is needed too.

jack morrow
July 9, 2012 6:44 am

So many theories are just that-theories. Dark energy,dark matter, sunspots, why the corona is hotter than the sun’s surface, lack of neutron density coming from the sun,black holes, the warped ring at the center of our galaxy,star formation, and on and on. Science always seems to have to be kicked and dragged before accepting new ideas. Sometimes this is best but it can also keep us from advancing as quickly as we could. Maybe it was meant to be.

July 9, 2012 6:45 am

Gene says:
July 9, 2012 at 2:42 am
Anthony, our understanding of the heat being generated by nuclear fusion in the core is also theoretical, and entirely so.
No. We observe just the neutrino flux we should based on fusion in the core. So there is direct observational evidence.
The issue of where the dynamo is located is important. With a shallow dynamo [ http://www.leif.org/research/Percolation%20and%20the%20Solar%20Dynamo.pdf ] there are fewer problems with slower convection.

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