Rep Edward Markey sticks his nose into private business

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Bishop Hill writes (and I’ve reposted in entirety with apologies in advance):

Politicians notice Fakegate

Rep Edward Markey of Massachusetts has written to Heartland asking for them to document the inaccuracies in the Fakegate documents and asking for originals.

In a letter to Heartland Institute President Joseph Bast, Markey asked the group for an explanation of any inaccuracies in the leaked documents as well as accurate versions of those documents.

“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.

If I recall correctly, Heartland’s climate change activities were not actually corporate funded at all. What an extraordinary error to make.

I think it is probably worth Heartland documenting what is wrong in the fake document, since this is in the public realm. As to the real one, I suggest they tell him to mind his own business. Private matters should remain private.

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As per Bish’s second suggestion, Heartland isn’t even in Markey’s (D-Mass.) district. I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.

The first comment at The Hill from Ed Loftus rather says it all:

As others have pointed out, the Pro-AGW teaching, heavily promoted and subsidized by both government and private sources with financial and political intersts in promoting this theory dwarf the significance of this effort.

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144 thoughts on “Rep Edward Markey sticks his nose into private business

  1. The honorable representative from the People’s Republic of Massachusetts seems to be inclined to make political hay. Maybe he’d like to publish his donor list and tell us who called him up to point him to this opportunity to appear in front of cameras.

  2. Yeah, and when they do tell him to bugger off, he’ll whine about how HI surely must have something to hide or they’d be more transparent.

    Sure. That’ll work! Go right on ahead and triple quadruple quintuple down, people. I’ve got plenty of popcorn and Diet Coke.

  3. I guess this means that he isn’t concerned about all the nefarious methods used to get the information from Heartland in the first place, nor who forged the document.

    Bugger off right enough.

  4. Markey is going to look stupid when the policy document is proven to have been faked. Still, I am not surprised by this particular representative’s actions, considering his track record.

    Whilst I applaud people for having the courage of their convictions, I do not understand why so many are nailing their colours to the mast of the already-reefed ship. Unless Peter Gleick intended to become a martyr all along…

  5. Why would he be so numb to assert that the fake ducument had an original document it was based upon?

    And for the rest, they get money donated to them to debate their opposition, they kind of state that on their front who’s-who-and-why page.

  6. This has to be a fake. No United States Congressional Representative would write to private citizens, write to a private organization asking, yeah, demanding confidential information. Has Representative Markey gone completely bonkers!? Is he insane, delusional, has his ethics lapsed?

    Unheard of, unbelievable… ! Thank God I just got finished sending my contribution in to the HI’s website! I’m going back for another contribution.

    John Bast… tell him to shove it! Tell him to see your lawyer! Astonishing!

  7. I see the problem, this man uses AP and msnbc as his source material

    Unless eddy malarkey has a subpoena concernig federal crimes, I don’t believe that having a particular view on a scientific matter is any of his damn business

  8. Have Heartland return his letter and tell him to prove he is not a fake.

    Markey is crazy. He admitted he never read the cap and tax legislation with his name on it. Why does he need confidential documents that are none of his business?

  9. HI needs to request an opportunity to appear publicly and to read the response into the Congressional record. All of HI works need to be detailed, including conferences, debates etc. There is no way HI can lose by tabling its climate efforts. A list of total funding of the warmista side needs to be outlined as a comparison to HI funding.

    The Anthony Watts project needs to be fully explained as to how it is better SCIENCE that is being funded.

    Good luck.

  10. Considering the matter has been refereed to the FBI, Edward J Markey is on tender ground regarding the perversion of justice.

    Even if there are no charges yet laid there is a criminal investigation under way. Edward J Markey should be very wary of the separation of Judiciary and State. He will be criticized for this involvement.

    I would recommend the repose by Heartland be couched in terms of a cease & desist threat wrapped up with a accusation his involvement can be seen as an attempt to pervert justice.

    In the world of Justice, AGW will receive blows it will not recover from.

  11. I hope they (all the green liars) all weigh in…

    This will all come out in the wash. That is what discovery is for.

  12. Pretty soon the FBI will have no choice, they will have to investigate.
    Or are they officially investigating now ?

  13. Joe Bast should tell him they’ll trade a copy of a list of what’s fake for the original envelope mailed to Peter Gleick containing said fake document and a copy of Markey’s letter to the Pacific Institute asking to see same, since surely, if Markey is investigating, he is investigating all parties equally.

  14. I just couldn’t resist the story on The Hill. Some commenter named Frank was posting strawmen about the “science is settled” and the quote from Lindzen’s presentation is so apt:
    “Stated briefly, I will simply try to clarify what the debate over climate change is really about. It most certainly is not about whether climate is changing: it always is. It is not about whether CO2 is increasing: it clearly is. It is not about whether the increase in CO2, by itself, will lead to some warming: it should. The debate is simply over the matter of how much warming the increase in CO2 can lead to, and the connection of such warming to the innumerable claimed catastrophes. The evidence is that the increase in CO2 will lead to very little warming, and that the connection of this minimal warming (or even significant warming) to the purported catastrophes is also minimal. The arguments on which the catastrophic claims are made are extremely weak – and commonly acknowledged as such. They are sometimes overtly dishonest.”

  15. This could be a legal trigger; I strongly urge Heartland caution here, especially with Markey, and the “legal” left.

    After compliance with this request, I would suggest another line of inquiry: Given Mr. Gleick’s apparent misbehavior, why was he and his institution the recipient of almost half a million dollars in taxpayer grants?

    http://junkscience.com/2012/02/22/epa-gave-gleicks-group-468000-in-grants/

    And then I would contact Sen. James Inhofe’s office.

    Hypothetically speaking, of course…

  16. “These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.

    If I were Heartland, I would send a subpoena to Malarkey, demanding that he provide any and all copies of alleged Heartland documents in his posession. And I would demand that DOJ send Malarkey an order not to destroy any emails or other materials in his posession relating to “climate change”.

    Then put out a press release: Given that none of the documents alleged to be from Heartland and thus far released show any large corporate donations for global warming, Malarkey clearly has access to additonal fabricated materials, and his ties to the criminals should be investigated.

  17. Mark says:
    “How does one produce an accurate version of a faked document?”

    Easy, send an empty envelope! :-)

  18. LMAO!!!! Go Heartland!!! Yet another lunatic lefty to make look ridiculous!

    Anthony, and Bish….. I might swipe this as well, with my apologies……

    My perspective is, I wouldn’t tell Markey to “bugger off” per se. I’d antagonize and have him state something very vapid. (well, more vapid than what he just did.) Then publicize it.

    You can be sure he will, because these lunatics perceive themselves as possessors and guardians of truth, but clearly they possess only hubris and sophistry. One or two back and forths, and you know something incredibly stupid will come out of his mouth. Done……. another trophy on the wall for HI.

  19. Amazing that people have a problem/ make an ussue of HI receiving money. Exactly what does everyone else receive for doing their work? The govt spends trillions on stuff, the AGW research world wide receives billions, Mann receives millions.

    Can we all just take the money argument off the table? The only folks not receiving a dime are the multitude of people that post comments to blogs.

  20. So Markey is heading up his own House investigation into Fakegate?

    The whole thing sounds very illegal.

    Mr Representative, whom are you representing?

  21. The other good news here is if Sen. Markey makes a big deal about this the mass media will not be able to ignore the story any more. They will twist it as best they can but it will enter the general news cycle which will only hurt the AGW advocates in the long run.

    This may be another self inflicted wound for AGW if he presses the issue.

    Larry

  22. I hope JoE Bast reenacts the Howard Hughes congressional hearing debacle. Expose them all as blithering idiots.

  23. Heartland should check with Chairman Doc Hasting’s office to determine if it has any obligation to respond to Congressman Markey. As the Ranking Minority Member of the House Resources Committee, I don’t believe Congressman Markey has the ability to compel much of anything.

  24. “These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,”

    Even if this were what HI is doing, and it isn’t, so what?

    THere is nothing illegal in this complaint.

  25. “Rep Edward Markey sticks his nose into private business”

    Next up? Markey’s partner Waxman sticks his snout in?

  26. Warmists have recently been comparing Climategate to Fakegate.
    Let’s look at that.
    Climategate emails reveal the communications of ‘s’cientists who in private are deeply uncertain and divided about the reality of global warming. In those emails they ‘fudge’, conspire and bully colleagues to ‘toe the party line.’ Then publicly pronounce their lies.
    Now if Gleick had found secret email exchanges between members of Heartland admitting in private that Global Warming was REAL, but in PUBLIC saying that it was a hoax…now that would have been a ‘scoop’!
    Heartland is anti the global warming hoax, openly, consistently and honestly.
    Furthermore It’s a private organization….at least they weren’t wasting taxpayers money in the promotion of their hoax.
    Warmism is so riddled with professional ‘advocates’ paid for by EPA Grants, George Soros etc etc that they simply cannot imagine that the opposition (which is giving them a sound thrashing) consists, in the main, of independent, scientifically literate ‘amateurs’ – ie people who do something for the love of it!

  27. No way should anyone be forced to point out inaccuracies in a fake document (item b in the letter). That would set a terrible precedence, such fake documents should just be “struck from the record”.

  28. On the very bright side, this could lead to a full investigation into who is providing misleading information to schools.

    There is no upside to this for the AGW Team or their apologists, and they are just too plain stupid to realize it – probably because they have gotten away with so much deception in the past.

    What these Climate Change fools fail to understand is Political Change, and the inevitable consequences of crying wolf every time anyone sees a poodle..

  29. @David L
    “Can we all just take the money argument off the table? The only folks not receiving a dime are the multitude of people that post comments to blogs.”

    I get 10 cents off per gallon of gas for every $100 I spend at my local ^*(^&^*^*^ grocery store.
    OMG, I am funded by BOTH “Big Oil” and “Big Ag”.
    Oh well, I guess I’ll just have to drink more ethanol!

  30. @JJ says:
    February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    “Malarkey clearly has access to additonal fabricated materials, and his ties to the criminals should be investigated”

    Brilliant!

  31. [snip - this is ridiculous, accusatory, and inflammatory, and you don't have a clue about private business, since you work for a University, I suggest you not comment further - Anthony]

  32. I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.
    Most Poms I know would not use the word “bugger”, two letters too many and doesn’t rhyme with “duck”

  33. ChE says:
    February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    One suggestion for the Bish: translate “bugger off” into American English.
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    Not sure if this will get through but, it’s a milder version of ‘go away and fornicate’.

  34. it is almost 2 years gone since I last used the word ‘poltroon’. That was aimed at Markey back then. Here is a pretty mama’s boy who pouts on cue as his blow against criminal misconduct and catestrophically destructive idiocy. The BP well has dealt a severe blow against status quo business and survival in America with an obvious beneficiary convincing president Obummer to shut up and sit down. Then Obummer signed a pardon, against enough evidence to convict someone for 11 counts of first degree murder. Meanwhile Markey pouted because his expertise is not geology, engineering, or ANY atmospheric science. True the gas frackers belong in prison and respect needs to be shown to congress on demand. BP’s Deepwater Horizon site is still spewing oil from an intentional destructive blowout. And what does Markey do in defense of his constituents and the rest of the American people and the world? He pouts and prances for more money. He is done pouting about the oil well blow out. He did not understand it then, and he does not understand it now. A ten year-old could lie him out of the park on this.

  35. I don’t normal reply here, but this just made me laugh. http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/Grijalva%20Letter%20to%20Hastings%20and%20Markey%20on%20Indur%20Goklany%20Feb%2022.pdf

    It stated that: “Greenpeace letter points out, employees of federal agencies are specifically warned not to take payment from outside organizations, particularly for “teaching, speaking and writing that relates to [their] official duties.” and he calls for hearing on Indur Goklany, the Assistant Director of Programs, Science and Technology Policy at the Department of the Interior getting paid from Heartland $1,000 a month for a chapter in a book. Can you imagine the Republicans response, James Hansen NASA millions in speaking fees!

  36. I believe Ed Markey is going through the same process as any religious doomsday cult is going through when the alledged doomsday date is arriving, and nothing happens.

    Slowly they discover that ….it was a lie!

    What to do?

  37. Remember. If the dem’s re-take the House in November, characters like Markey will be in the majority and will use their subpoena powers to call Heartland into this star chamber.

  38. JJ says:
    February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    That is a most excellent suggestion – I do hope someone from HI (or Anthony) has taken note.

  39. Some people here seem to be itching for a fight just for the sake of a fight. HI and Bast should welcome the opportunity to raise their profile. As a Democrat in the Republican-controlled house, Markey doesn’t chair any committees, so Bast should be assured of at least an even field. Bast should ask for an opportunity to testify in open session before one of Markey’s committees on exactly what HI does and compare that with other advocacy groups. Heck, he should even request the same invitation be extended to Gleick and the Pacific Institute. That way there could actually be the public debate Gleick declined before.

    I bet 60 minutes of research will disclose multiple liberal organizations engaging in exactly the same activities as HI, to which Rep. Markey either belongs, or contributes, or serves on the board. It would sure make an interesting recital.

    Or perhaps not. It’s been documented that liberal Democrats are mostly generous with other people’s money. Maybe Markey doesn’t share of his personal time, talent and treasure with anyone. That too would make an interesting recital.

    In playing bridge, you always rejoice when your opponents lead into your strong suit, or a void you can trump. The issue of sources and extent of funding for advocacy groups in the Global Warming debate is a lead HI can trump all day. Like others obsessed with this issue, Rep. Markey is leading with his chin. When your opponents insist of making blunders, let them.

  40. James Sexton says:
    February 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    LMAO!!!! Go Heartland!!! Yet another lunatic lefty to make look ridiculous!

    Anthony, and Bish….. I might swipe this as well, with my apologies……

    My perspective is, I wouldn’t tell Markey to “bugger off” per se. I’d antagonize and have him state something very vapid. (well, more vapid than what he just did.) Then publicize it.

    You can be sure he will, because these lunatics perceive themselves as possessors and guardians of truth, but clearly they possess only hubris and sophistry. One or two back and forths, and you know something incredibly stupid will come out of his mouth. Done……. another trophy on the wall for HI.

    Too bad it’s not Biden. Something incredibly stupid would be a given.

  41. David L says:
    February 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Can we all just take the money argument off the table? The only folks not receiving a dime are the multitude of people that post comments to blogs.

    I don’t know about you, but I get paid per word by the Koch brothers.

    /sarc, in case you needed it.

  42. Speaking of inaccuracies… from Markey and Waxman:

    “At the same time, the evidence will be clearer than ever that urgent action is needed to protect our nation and the world from irreversible climate change. The overwhelming scientific consensus will have grown even stronger. And if 2011 is a harbinger of our future, record-breaking droughts and storms will have again afflicted our nation — at immense cost in lives and property damage..

    No other policy would do as much for our economy, our security and our future as putting a price on carbon.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/carbon-emission-policy-could-slash-debt-improve-environment/2012/02/13/gIQAQ0LZWR_story.html

    Yes, the Two Stooges are still trying to flog their scam.

  43. Markey makes no mention of the fact that the documents were stolen by Gleick. He needs to be told to get in line and let the FBI do their job and stop trying to politically interfere in the investigation of a serious crime.

  44. Best reply asking for Markey’s active support in getting the real, admitted crimes prosecuted instead of trying to divert attention to faked ones about undermining well-established politics.

  45. Dr. Richard Muller is giving a talk at Berkeley City College on March 1
    at 6:30 PM. College auditorium, 2050 Center Street, downtown Berkeley.
    Maybe a chance for some Q&A about Fakegate?
    Talk title “Energy and Climate: Surprising Things You Need to Know.”
    Indeed.

  46. To Senator Markey
    Sir,
    Thank you for your letter concerning the recent disclosure on the internet of confidential internal Heartland Institute documents together with a fake document. Our lawyers tell us that your letter, implying as it does a suspicion of malfeasance on our part, and having been made public, will provide clear evidence in any future court case of the damage done to our reputation by the criminal act of Dr. Peter Gleick and of the forger of the fake document.

    Our stance on the subject of climate change is well documented on our website in the essay, “Global Warming: Not a Crisis” and in the very extensive report, “Climate Change Reconsidered”. These can be downloaded free of charge. You will be able to form your own judgement as to whether we seek to undermine the IPCC, or simply present scientific evidence which supports our stance.

    Those donors supporting our climate change stance with funding do so because they agree with our arguments. That is all you need to know about our donors. Whether they are corporate or individual or in any particular industry is irrelevant because we cannot deliver anything tangible to them. We cannot, for example, introduce legislation favourable to our donors in the way that a Senator could.

    We will shortly be commencing a programme of producing education modules on climate change for use in schools. The objective is to present a more balanced picture to students than the current one-sided approach. We would be happy to provide you with complimentary copies of the modules as they are produced, subject to your respecting the terms of our copyright which include prohibiting unauthorised copying or distribution. We cannot, of course, force schools to make use of this material. They will only do so if they see merit in teaching students how to assess the competing scientific ideas.

    The Heartland Institute is not a public body and we will not be providing you with copies of confidential internal documents. Nor will we take part in an exercise to create a new document which we would not otherwise produce merely to mirror the fake document without the egregious content. However, the above should be quite sufficient to assure you that our activities are legitimate within a free country and not nefarious in any way.

    Now, go forth and multiply !

    Up Yours sincerely,

    Me

  47. Markeys letter to a victim of a robbery!

    Why did you carry your wallet? Do you have anything left I can steal from you? Hands up!

    What a moron!

  48. old44 says at 3:53 pm

    “ two letters too many and doesn’t rhyme with “duck” “

    If brevity is an important consideration then ‘sod off’ would be a both more accurate and shorter translation.

    I’m with some others here, keep him talking.

  49. Alan Watt says:
    February 24, 2012 at 4:14 pm
    David L says:
    February 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Can we all just take the money argument off the table? The only folks not receiving a dime are the multitude of people that post comments to blogs.

    I don’t know about you, but I get paid per word by the Koch brothers.

    /sarc, in case you needed it.
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    Me too.

  50. A physicist
    February 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm

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    WOW, what universe do you live in? If you were a character in 1984, the book would have been dismissed as over the top, yet here you are.

    REPLY: Yeah, he’s off the scale, I’ve snipped/admonished him that this sort of trolling is inappropriate – Anthony

  51. Someone find a chicken which doesn’t need its feathers any more. Another, find and heat up a pot of tar .. you know, the stuff with which roads are paved, but without the gravel. And mind the temperature, that stuff catches fire at a low temp, so nothing above about 200 degrees F. See if the old Penn RR Company has any spare rail sections laying about that they don’t plan to use. Something in about 110-pound category; don’t want to strain my back when we tar and feather this donkey and ride him out of town on a rail. I think that would be appropriate, considering that some of the ancestors of members of his Congressional District once treated the would-be tyrants who immediately preceeded the American Revolution that way. Traditional, you know.

  52. Letter to Markey – 2nd draft

    Replace “Senator” by “Rep” at head of letter and by “Member of the House of Representatives” lower down.

    Sorry guys, too busy telling this bozo where to stuff his investigation !

  53. Elftone says:
    February 24, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Markey is going to look stupid when…”
    _________________________
    Too late…

  54. “I think it is probably worth Heartland documenting what is wrong in the fake document, since this is in the public realm.”

    I disagree. I think this is not a good strategy. If the document is fake, the last thing you want to do is give credence to it by trying to defend yourself against details within it. If someone posts a fake document stating your links to neo-nazi of islamist terrorist groups, you would never try and rebut the details – you would just say its a fake. Same strategy here.

  55. [SNIP: You can post comments snipped at WUWT anywhere you like. They are still inflammatory and off-topic and still snipped. Do not abuse the toleration Anthony has shown to you. -REP]

  56. Markey’s letter is grandstanding, nothing more. If you get a letter like that from a congressman in the majority sitting on a committee with jurisdiction over the activity you are engaged in, it is best not to ignore it. If the member is serious, and has enough colleagues to support him, ignoring the letter can result in a subpoena from the congressional committee, which is a whole different matter. Then you get frog marched in front of the committee with MSM cameras catching every long winded Democrat speech masquerading as a question.

    But Markey is in the minority, his letter has no force of law, and there is zero chance a committee of the Republican controlled House would issue a subpoena to Heartland to support his pathetic fishing expedition. Maybe Markey forgot the 2010 election.

    Heartland should just ignore him.

  57. Heartland! Don’t do it! Talk with your counsel before replying at all to him or any other public requests.

    Then when the lawyers tell you can reply, ask the barky malarky b_stard how many different versions of an accurate fake strategy letter did he require.

    Seriously, it may not be too hard to identify Gleick’s inaccuracies in his fake strategy paper; but how you’re going to be able to train malarky to recognize an accurate fake strategy letter, I don’t know.

  58. Phil R says:
    February 24, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    James Sexton says:
    February 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    LMAO!!!! Go Heartland!!! Yet another lunatic lefty to make look ridiculous!
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    Too bad it’s not Biden. Something incredibly stupid would be a given.

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    Lol, right, but Markey’s not too much north of Biden. I think Alan Watt @ February 24, 2012 at 4:11 pm stated it as well.

    Markey is trying to interject himself into something he’s ill prepared for. Let him. Invite him in a way he thinks he might do some damage and be a star………he’ll end up like Biden….. babbling incoherent tripe. People will point and laugh all across the country.

  59. A physicist says:
    February 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    [snip - this is ridiculous, accusatory, and inflammatory, and you don't have a clue about private business, since you work for a University, I suggest you not comment further - Anthony]

    Sorry Anthony, I think you should have let the comment stand, made your comment and let the hounds loose. (Unless of course it was totally diversionary.)

    DaveE.

    REPLY: it was totally diversionary. It was on a law tangent nobody has mentioned, nor even should consider. “A physicist” has a habit of thread bombing with junk like this to distract the main conversation to argue in his viewpoint, and I’m about to give him a permanent time out. – Anthony

  60. JJ says:

    February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    “These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.

    If I were Heartland, I would send a subpoena to Malarkey, demanding that he provide any and all copies of alleged Heartland documents in his posession. And I would demand that DOJ send Malarkey an order not to destroy any emails or other materials in his posession relating to “climate change”.

    Then put out a press release: Given that none of the documents alleged to be from Heartland and thus far released show any large corporate donations for global warming, Malarkey clearly has access to additonal fabricated materials, and his ties to the criminals should be investigated.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    Yeah, subpoena him….That will ensure that this gets MAINSTREAM MEDIA exposure.

    I’d extend the request for emails relating to Climate Change and Funding. (any funding)….. See what skeletons Markey has lying around himself…. Wherever there is distrubution of money, mischief can be made from any small mystery….;-)

  61. The ideal response is probably similar to the one posted here a few months back that starts with the line “Dear Ed Markey, I just thought you should know that some arsehole is impersonating you in the attached letter we recently received…”

  62. I am well aware of a physicists thread bombing tactics and I thank you Anthony for your reply.

    DaveE.

  63. OT but important tidbit….
    The Chairman of the NRC Jaczko, used to work as a scientific advisor to Markey.
    Anyone wonder why Jaczko didn’t vote for the licensing of the nuke plants in GA ?
    You can expect Jackzo and Markey to work with the watermelons to try and stop these plants being built ?

    • Fission nuclear power plants are insane. Stop doing what you are doing to yourself and face facts.

  64. The Heartland Institute is on the same side of the ‘global warming’ issue but not on the same page. Their attempts to debunk second hand cigarette smoke as safe were a sick attempt to create a cash flow at the American people’s expense. The same attitude is shown here. Issues of left wing or right wing are as pointless as conservative or liberal. This issue is a cash and carry issue being fogged by posing and building up politically based crapola at the loss of what the best solution should be.
    Any body showing contempt of congress should be thrown in jail until they squawk. Markey is so totally unprepared and so outclassed being on this committee , he should humble himself and resign. His behavior, and Obummer’s during this ongoing Deepwater Horizon problem, warrant resignation and jail time. The media is running lies as news and the Amerixcan people are dancing around like young children at a back yard tea party while the house is being robbed. Congress and the White house are supposedto be there for us. They are not. They prance and mewl for campaign contributions for the Council on Foreign Relations, and say to hell with everybody else. See how rich the bad ones get. Not an issue of left or right. This is an issue of pigs in the parlor.

  65. ChE says (February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm): “One suggestion for the Bish: translate “bugger off” into American English.”

    Translating loosely, it means “Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!”

  66. …excellent Monty Python references aside…

    This is VERY SERIOUS…The idea that a sitting member of Congress would demand this from anyone is SCARY.

    I don’t care what issue or which political party. The fact that Heartland is even asked to respond would qualify as “abridging the freedom of speech”.

  67. What do you expect from the State that gave us John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, and Ted Kennedy?
    Seriously….

  68. “One suggestion for the Bish: translate “bugger off” into American English.”

    [Complicated Pictogram]

    With apologies to pterry.

  69. Howard T. Lewis III says:
    February 24, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    The Heartland Institute is on the same side of the ‘global warming’ issue but not on the same page. Their attempts to debunk second hand cigarette smoke as safe were a sick attempt to create a cash flow at the American people’s expense.
    ===============================

    Years and years ago when smoking hadn’t yet been banned from public places I read an interview in the Times with the doctor who started the “second hand smoke causes cancer”, don’t now recall his name. He said there was no such effect, that there were two types of lung cancer and non-smokers never got the kind that smokers got, but he was anti-smoking and had deemed the lie worth spreading for the cause..

    There is a thirty year study from California which tracked illnesses of family members of those who had lung cancer, there was zilch to suggest that any such effect exists. Not only that, but there is no proof even that smoking causes lung cancer… several countries among the highest with smokers have the lowest incidence of lung cancer, look it up.

    It may well not be great for your overall health, constantly taking in smoke and tars and whatever else is in cigarettes is going to affect the lung’s capacity to function properly, as working in any industry where the lungs are bombarded with particles of one kind or another, but there is no way that the claim “smoking causes cancer” stands up.

    This whole campaign was just another example of moronic groups who think they have a right to impose their beliefs and lifestyle choices on others, like prohibition in the US.

    Where these campaigns tend to originate? Hmm, worth bearing in mind then that the pilgrim fathers escape to America to avoid persecution was because they believed they had a right to impose their religious beliefs on everyone else, they moved to new territory where they could be free to persecute those who didn’t agree with them..

  70. It’s a simple thing: H.I. is not controlled by the government, therefore the government thinks it’s ‘bad.’ That’s all there is to it.

  71. I don’t believe in the second hand smoking scam either- and I speak as a lifelong non smoker who hates the filthy habit- it seems to me there have been a series of these fake medical flaps. The first one I remember is DDT, as I remember, the evidence was vanishingly thin, I’m also thinking of the ozone hole.

    For the smoking bans in public places, I didn’t move because I thought it was probably just as well, plus I didn’t see why I should move for the 99 percent of inconsiderate smokers I had met down the years. However in the UK the lobby is starting to demand that smoking be banned in private cars … if this gets traction, I definitely shall defend smokers’ rights.

    Interestingly in France, the smoking ban has been the occasion for the creation of heated street cafés – difficult to get worse for the environment. The cafés themselves are empty.

  72. Another reason to vote Ron Paul. I thought that the American constitution was all about, “Mind your own business”.

  73. The President of the PI’s address on the occasion of its 20th anniversary (from the PI website)-

    The Pacific Institute was founded a generation ago. My children, not even born at the time, have grown up, along with 1,500 million other children.

    In 1987, the Cold War was starting to warm up, but so was the Earth. The Berlin Wall was starting to come down, but nascent political and ideological threats were emerging. Traditional academic disciplines were searching for new language, tools, and answers to interdisciplinary problems. The concept of sustainability was just being introduced, but there was a growing appreciation that problems of the environment, economy, and society were intricately linked.

    This idea drove us to create the Pacific Institute. We believed that global problems and effective solutions in the 21st century would require innovative ways of thinking, seeing, and doing.

    For two decades the Institute has been providing unbiased, thoughtful, and innovative analysis and solutions.
    Through our efforts and commitment, the Pacific Institute has become a place where we work effectively with the residents of West Oakland one day and the Secretary General of the United Nations the next.

    What will the next 20 years bring? New threats to our limited and vital freshwater resources, growing pressures on the environmental health of our most vulnerable communities, accelerating influence of multinational corporations for both good and ill, combating and adapting to climate change, and other threats to sustainability
    that we have not yet conceived.

    A constant in all of these transitions will be the continued dedication of the Pacific Institute to address theseproblems and provide a sustainable world for all generations to come.

    Peter Gleick, Oaland 2007

    Translation: When the commie dream was crashing down around their ears aka the Berlin Wall, naturally the comrades had to cook up another way to break eggs to make the usual omelette.
    Result: Lots of egg on lots of faces.

  74. Perhaps Ed Markey should reveal who pays for his junkets to the GLOBE International conferences, I suspect the US taxpayer even though they know nothing about it:

    Read more at “United Socialist Nations”

    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/un_progress_governance_via_climate_change.html

    “US Congressman Ed Markey is the Co-Chairman of the GLOBE International Commission on Climate & Energy Security. Globe has close links with the Club of Rome whose Co-President, Ashok Khosla, is a member of Globe International and President of the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN). It has become a de facto unofficial world government, whose members agree measures on behalf of the UN and then take those measures back to their own countries and seek to enact legislation to implement them. The web site says quite unashamedly that:

    “Without the burden of formal governmental negotiating positions, legislators have the freedom to push the boundaries of what can be politically achieved. GLOBE’s vision is to create a critical mass of legislators within each of the parliaments of the major economies that can agree common legislative responses to the major global environmental challenges and demonstrate to leaders that there is cross-party support for more ambitious action. All major government policy decisions should be consistent with climate change goals.”

    Congressman Wang Guangtao of the National People’s Congress of China and Congressman Ed
    Markey of the United States Congress, jointly chaired the 2009 GLOBE Copenhagen Legislators Forum.

    Nancy Pelosi addressed the forum via a video link: “On behalf of the U.S. Congress, I bring greetings to my fellow lawmakers at the GLOBE Legislators’ Forum in Copenhagen.”

    “Your gathering reflects a fundamental truth: the climate crisis knows no borders. It touches every family and community, every neighborhood and nation. This is not an issue that will be resolved overnight, nor can a single country fix the problem alone. It demands “action, and action now.”

  75. Senator Malarkey may regret his letter, over at Lucia’s there is considerable speculation that the Heartland board member Gleick impersonated when carrying out his wire fraud was Harrison Hagan “Jack” Schmitt, former astronaut and US Senator

    Is it not a federal criminal offence to impersonate a senator under the US penal code?

  76. “REPLY: it was totally diversionary. It was on a law tangent nobody has mentioned, nor even should consider. “A physicist” has a habit of thread bombing with junk like this to distract the main conversation to argue in his viewpoint, and I’m about to give him a permanent time out. – Anthony”

    “and I’m about to give him a permanent time out. – Anthony”

    Of course you are the master and you make the laws on this side but freedom of speech is something we all have to fight for . Without it WUWT would not exist. Don’t forget that in their point of view WE are the extremist WE are engaged in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science WE should be on Permanent Time Out (PTM) so We should have the moral high ground even if it hurts.
    But like I said , It’s your restaurant.

    Robert

  77. Let me replace a few words in brackets to see what it looks like :

    “These documents appear to indicate that the [Mann, etc] is receiving large donations from [gov't research grants] for the direct purpose of [establishing] the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to [influence] the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,”

  78. I think I’d turn around and request a FOI request for any Markey communictions with Gleick or his institute. Not sure if congressional email is subject to an FOI request but, if so, it could be interesting.

  79. Markey goes after the victim.

    The guy is an imbecile, thankfully he is not in law enforcement, a guy like this wouldn’t be long sending a letter to a rape victim asking why they wore a certain type of attire. Heartland Institute were the victims of a crime, part of the crime has already been admitted by thee fraudster, but Markey goes after the victim. He needs to resign. He also needs to be reported to the Attorney General for interfering in and politicizing a crime.

  80. “True the gas frackers belong in prison and respect needs to be shown to congress on demand. BP’s Deepwater Horizon site is still spewing oil from an intentional destructive blowout. ”

    I really, really, hope that all of the above is sarcasm, because none of it is true.

  81. Normally i would expect the Brits to be stingy with their words — bugger off is too long. F-OFF is much more appropriate.

  82. I don’t know about you, but I get paid per word by the Koch brothers.

    /sarc, in case you needed it.

    =====================================================
    Me too.
    ——————-

    Where do I sign up?

  83. ‘Robertvdl says:
    February 25, 2012 at 3:48 am
    Without it WUWT would not exist. Don’t forget that in their point of view WE are the extremist WE are engaged in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science WE should be on Permanent Time Out (PTM) so We should have the moral high ground even if it hurts.’

    A physicist is one of WE. Sometimes WE babel to the extent that understanding cannot be heard.
    Anthony knows of the tower of babel and will not be one.

    It’s the etiquette of the restaurant, and fine dining we partake because of it. Bad luck for perverted free speech.

    Perversions WE have none here.

  84. Howard T. Lewis III says:
    February 24, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Second hand smoke is not dangerous, and there is no scientific evidence that shows otherwise.

  85. Howard T. Lewis III says:
    February 24, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Fission nuclear power plants are insane.

    ————–

    NOt even remotely true.

  86. To Ed Markey;

    I just donated $25 to Heartland, and encourage others to do the same.
    Yes, I know, it isn’t much, but if we are many, maybe it is of help.

    Let us help Heartland to encourage to open debate.
    Help us all to get the Gleick’s out in the open, to discuss the scientific basis of the Catastrophic
    Antropogenic Global Warming Alarmism.

    Even Norwegians (me) donate, so why don’t you?

  87. Representative Markey has requested a letter regarding funding in the climate debate. Perhaps a letter detailing the publicly known funding of Gleick, Hanson, Mann, etc. would be useful for the representative. After all, he is looking for large contributions.

  88. JJ says:
    … send a subpoena to Malarkey, demanding that he provide any and all copies of alleged Heartland documents in his posession. And … demand that DOJ send Malarkey an order not to destroy any emails or other materials in his posession relating to “climate change”.

    Be still my beating heart! Can you imagine what Markey’s emails and other materials relating to “climate change” would show? Suddenly I know how Peter Gleik must have felt when he saw the Heartland Institute’s documents in his (fraudulent) mailbox. The difference is that Markey’s documents would be better that anything a “denier” could ever forge.

    JJ you’re brilliant! To the Heartland Institute: Oh please, oh please, oh please.

  89. Tell Markey that he should try to get copies from the DOJ since the FBI is now investigating.
    Since the DOJ has been stonewalling Congress on a whole host of investigations, this should end the matter completely.

  90. Dear Senator Markey.

    Thank you for trying to publicly expose this fake document to the public.
    I’m sorry we don’t have an original of the fake document. It could have been sent to Mr Mann at the Virginia University, where he worked, as our staff was pretty shaken after the phishing attack.

    Please send us ALL emails of Mr Mann’s so we can pick which one is the fake you wish to see.

    Sincerely,

  91. It seems my comment immediately after the flap began that it would substantially benefit HI is already coming true, if the number of new donors popping up everywhere is any indication. As for the abusive idiot Markey, I think a 3 word reply would do: “By what authority?”

    View from the Solent says:
    February 24, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    ChE says:
    February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    One suggestion for the Bish: translate “bugger off” into American English.
    =================================================================
    Not sure if this will get through but, it’s a milder version of ‘go away and fornicate’.

    I think it implies intimate interaction with a male’s fundament.

  92. Too bad about the thread highjack onto tobacco effects, but there’s a report out (will post a link if I can recover it) suggesting that there’s about a 50:50 split of those with and without a particular mutation of a lung surfactant/enzyme that transforms certain smoke components into oncogenic chemicals. If you’ve got it, then even a brief period smoking will likely set off the lung-cancer-cascade. If you don’t, you can smoke till your 90s without cancerous consequences. (Other effects on the heart etc. are distinct issues and problems, of course.)

  93. contributions.

    A physicist says:
    February 25, 2012 at 7:57 am
    Myrrh says: There is no proof even that smoking causes lung cancer.

    Myrrh, your post’s skeptical assertion is among the flimsiest that has ever passed unchallenged on WUWT. For one scientific disproof of smoking skepticism (among hundreds), see the free-as-in-freedom scientific study Twenty-four year mortality in World War II US male veteran twins discordant for cigarette smoking.

    =====================

    What don’t you get about this?? The claim that “smoking causes lung cancer” isn’t proven. That some people get cancer and are smokers is a fact, it is also a fact that thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of smokers, millions, billions, never get cancer. What’s the percentage of smoker’s who get cancer?

    I get really fed up with agenda driven science, even more so when driven by people with some belief that they have the right to play God and interfere in other people’s lives.

  94. This man has made a career of being wrong.
    His arrogant ignorance would be amusing if he had to work for a living.

  95. I was top ‘A’ in my logic class in college, and my parents did not raise liars. Though it may be possible that the additives in tobacco further augment the carcinogenic substances in tobacco, the tobacco is the main cause.
    I also was an engineer’s assistant and head draftsman at a fission nuclear plant, as well as studying wht the hell it was we were building. Nuclear plants are insane, first of all because of the need to manage spent fuel for thousands of years, It must be stored in demineralized water which must be changed out periodically. The radioactivity emitted from Fukushima is enough to convince even the most depraved wanker that these plants are incredibly dangerous to consider and lethal once completed.
    Please do your homework before you talk to me. Loud mouth liars FAIL. That is why Heartland Institute needs to have their feet held to the fire. Promo B.S. can be deadly to a naive mind, these two wankers who attacked my input, for example. the ‘global warming’ scene is to swindle tx dollars and any others into the coffers of European royalty, who are losing their grip over their bling. Heartland Institute FAIL.

  96. Howard T. Lewis III says:

    “I was top ‘A’ in my logic class in college, and my parents did not raise liars.”

    Perhaps you were the only member in your logic class? That would make you the top – and the bottom, too. Perhaps your parents raised an honest buffoon?

    Note that the number of people killed in U.S. nuclear power plant accidents is zero. However, people have been killed in wind turbine accidents. By your own logic, wind power is infinitely more dangerous than nuclear power. With such a major logic FAIL, perhaps you need a remedial course.

  97. think it implies intimate interaction with a male’s fundament.

    Brian H says:
    February 25, 2012 at 9:27 am
    Too bad about the thread highjack onto tobacco effects,
    =================

    Not really a thread hijack – Heartland is being castigated for supporting conflicting science re smoking and cancer, and people use this to justify their own complete lack of investigation. This speaks to same ‘consensus’ mentality, of people jumping onto bandwagons pretending the high moral ground as they’ve done supporting the fraudulent AGW claims – they attack any pointing out that it’s promoted by continued deceit and glide over the still ongoing examples of the many forms that deceit takes.

    Someone posted this, sorry, so many threads…, http://forms.climaterealityproject.org/page/s/heartland?source=ads-content&subsource=OM_C3_google-p_Heartland-Trueview_parenting-interest&utm_source=YouTube&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=COXg19DNua4CFU2b7QodjQ0mOA

    A 17 year old totally brainwashed with all the memes, but oh so sincere.

    “……. I’m just a high school student, so please don’t take my word for it. Just ask any National Academy of Science in the world or just about any actual climate scientist.

    Given who pays your bills, your plan doesn’t come as a surprise. According to your own documents, your organization is funded by coal and oil companies with a financial stake in denying climate science — not to mention tobacco companies that tried to convince us smoking doesn’t cause cancer.

    My generation is already experiencing a very different climate from our parents and grandparents. We will be the ones responsible for making sure coastal cities are able to withstand rising sea levels. We are the ones who will have to protect ourselves from weather extremes like stronger hurricanes, longer droughts and hotter heat waves. Instead of trying to undermine the science that shows humans are causing climate change, we should be learning how those changes are going to affect us and what we can do about it. In other words, teach us something useful.

    We respectfully demand that you cease and desist your effort to bring climate change denial into our schools.

    Corey Husic
    Age 17
    Climate Presenter
    By completing this form, you are agreeing to the Terms of Use and to receive updates from The Climate Reality Project.”

  98. Dear Mr. Markey:

    It is our understanding that you are a member of an organization that attempted to bring down the duly elected United States government, replacing it with your own people, most recently in 2004 but also previously in 1984 and on several other occasions in previous years. This is a serious offense, and we demand you turn over all communication and documents that show or may show your affiliation with this organization. You are also required to name names of others you know who are or may be members of this cabal.

  99. Howard T. Lewis III says

    “I was top ‘A’ in my logic class in college, and my parents did not raise liars.”
    ——————————–

    Being able to define logic – isn’t the same as being able to apply logic.

    Your post is my evidence.

  100. Wow…. just… WOW!
    Howard T. Lewis III says:
    February 25, 2012 at 9:55 am

    I was top ‘A’ in my logic class in college, and my parents did not raise liars. Though it may be possible that the additives in tobacco further augment the carcinogenic substances in tobacco, the tobacco is the main cause.

    A stunning pair of statements. I too seriously question the number of students in your logic class, since you are clearly logic-challenged.

    I also was an engineer’s assistant and head draftsman at a fission nuclear plant, as well as studying wht the hell it was we were building. Nuclear plants are insane, first of all because of the need to manage spent fuel for thousands of years, It must be stored in demineralized water which must be changed out periodically. The radioactivity emitted from Fukushima is enough to convince even the most depraved wanker that these plants are incredibly dangerous to consider and lethal once completed.

    Do you ever proofread your posts?
    You were studying what the hell it was you were building? Really? I, for one, don’t want you or anyone who thinks like you to be anywhere NEAR a nuclear facility of any sort, at any time, in any capacity. I’d be perfectly happy if the grid could be specially modified to eliminate any power that comes from nuclear plants from ever reaching you.
    Thanks to the ill-informed anti-nuclear brigade, nuclear facilities that should NOT still be operating are still operating, since it’s almost impossible to get the required permissions to build new ones. And yet when something goes wrong with some 50s or 60s era technology (which is scheduled for decommissioning in mere months), that is somehow proof of the failure of the technology? Your logic-challenge apparently blinds you to the fact that this is a stunning SUCCESS story, nothing even remotely close to a failure.
    Ditto on the spent fuel issue. Anti-nuclear loudmouths have blocked the reprocessing of spent fuel, a technology that would HUGELY reduce the danger of storing spent fuel. I hope you’re proud of that dubious achievement.

    Please do your homework before you talk to me. Loud mouth liars FAIL. That is why Heartland Institute needs to have their feet held to the fire. Promo B.S. can be deadly to a naive mind, these two wankers who attacked my input, for example. the ‘global warming’ scene is to swindle tx dollars and any others into the coffers of European royalty, who are losing their grip over their bling. Heartland Institute FAIL.

    Another stunning stringing-together of sentences, that frankly boggles my mind. This from someone who once achieved an “A” in a logic course? Astounding.

  101. Myrrh says:
    February 25, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Thank you for the link:
    It states:
    “Corey Husic, a student and trained Climate Presenter.

    This is Mr Gore’s program. http://presenters.climaterealityproject.org/

    If only Corey saw the hypocrisy of his statements – directly out of the mouth of Mr Gore.
    I get unsolicited email from Mr Gore and this group all the time, ever since the 24 hour goreglobaltron. I’m almost positive that they got my email address from my school: As I’ve never participated or even watched the goreathon and the sites I visit / post on… would not sell my email.

  102. It might be interesting to find out via FOIA where Mr Gore got his email list for gorethon from?

    It seems to have been attracted to youths in the education system.

  103. I am a lifelong non-smoker. I don’t like being in other people’s smoke. I hate the stink of stale smoke on clothes and in rooms where there has been a smoker. “Live and let live” but I’m quite amenable to smoking being subject to negative public stigma. And, of course, it’s intuitively obvious that 2nd hand smoke must increase the risk of lung cancer.

    Then I came across this :

    http://www.davehitt.com/facts/

    I can’t fault the logic. Maybe Heartland were right on this topic after all !

  104. kim2ooo says:
    February 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    Myrrh says:
    February 25, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Thank you for the link:
    It states:
    “Corey Husic, a student and trained Climate Presenter.”

    This is Mr Gore’s program. http://presenters.climaterealityproject.org/

    If only Corey saw the hypocrisy of his statements – directly out of the mouth of Mr Gore.
    I get unsolicited email from Mr Gore and this group all the time, ever since the 24 hour goreglobaltron. I’m almost positive that they got my email address from my school: As I’ve never participated or even watched the goreathon and the sites I visit / post on… would not sell my email.

    &

    kim2ooo says:
    February 25, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    It might be interesting to find out via FOIA where Mr Gore got his email list for gorethon from?

    It seems to have been attracted to youths in the education system
    ======================

    That’s very worrying Kim, especially if obtained through schools – I hope you do investigate this further. Perhaps someone reading this or Anthony can suggest the quickest way for you to get this information.

    If I recall, there was something about giving control of one’s emails to the Goreathon for the 24 hours? If one of your friends, or maybe even a teacher, did such a thing, then they would have a list of addresses from each of those.

  105. Myrrh says:
    February 25, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    RG: “If I recall, there was something about giving control of one’s emails to the Goreathon for the 24 hours?”

    Yes, this is what I got about sharing facebook, twitter etc:

    Nicole Haber, Climate Reality
    Dear kim [ redaccted ]

    You are our voice — and we need you now more than ever. On September 14, starting at 7 p.m. Central Time, we will broadcast the reality of the climate crisis from around the globe for 24 hours straight. And to make sure this event gets the attention of the world, we need you to lend your voice to the cause.

    Specifically, we would like to share your Twitter and Facebook influence. We have created an innovative tool that allows you to donate your accounts to the cause. If you choose to donate, we’ll be able to access your account to help you post information about the event to your friends and followers. Your donation starts on Sept. 13 and ends on Sept. 15 when the event is over.

    Click below and authorize us to share our updates through your accounts.

    Donate your Facebook Status and Twitter Feed.

    Don’t worry — we won’t have access to any of your personal information. Your accounts will still work normally, and we will only post updates and important details a few times each hour. And if this whole thing doesn’t work for you, you can revoke our access at anytime.

    What you’re doing is important. You’re lending your voice to ours and amplifying our message. If we want to share the truth about the climate crisis, we need your help.

    Donate here: http://climaterealityproject.org/#donate-network

    If you don’t have a Twitter or Facebook account, don’t fret. Anything you can do to help spread the word is immensely appreciated.

    Thanks for your help,

    Nicole Haber
    Digital Director
    The Climate Reality Project

    —————————————

    When Mr Watts did the article on goreathon, or maybe it was the experiment, I posted that Mr Gore’s Organization contacted me via my on-line email [ this one that I use here - my friends have my personal email - my school has this one ]…but I hadn’t ever been in contact with the organization.

    I see only three possibilities.
    1: School
    2: Facebook sold out my email addy from a disused account.
    3: My online email program sold them my email addy.

    • Dear kim2ooo, please remember that MANY scientists who monitored the cesstion of the Gulf of Mexico’s Loop Current predicted correctly, that considerable heat and momentum would be lost from the Gulfstream, which would caus a radical temperature drop in The North Atlantic Current and thus colder weather for western Europe this winter or maybe ALL of Europe or worse. The U.S. Senate signed off on the DH oil well blow out as being intentional, and numerous experts in the oil production field, as well as myself, found this to be the case. President Obummer gave BP a free ‘get out of jail free’ card and BP still hs declared that part of the GoM above anyone else’s jurisdiction. Obummer would lick your car tires if you told him to.
      myrrh, gathering talent to drop what they are doing and watch the weather is fun or an insult. The U.S. Weather Service is just fine if regulated. Out door activities rely on accurate weather prediction. Following you to prove the sky is falling is to say the least, bizarre.
      Recycling of spent fuel causes far more pollution than just storing the first level waste. Another unsurmountable problem, beyond spent fuel, is the FACT that superheated water takes on a completely different type of chemistry when exposed to its containments where it corrodes any and every material tested thus far. Way faster than was expected. If you do not have the education or experience to demonstrate reason and at least, adolescent maturity with these applied technologies, please restrain yourself until you can come up with TRUE information that will do people good. If you were molested by a priest, go legally mess him up and find freedom from your inner demons.
      With regard to the ‘Global Warming’ scam, the managers of the satellite feeds and collection of weather station data tabulations found too many broken satellite sensors’ info included and too many new black asphalt parking lots and industrial sized air-conditioners built next to weather stations where the inordinate increases in tabulated data were incuded. They went elsewhere for employment.

      Did this help?

  106. Because of this sentence, in the above email, I doubt it was facebook.
    “If you don’t have a Twitter or Facebook account, don’t fret. Anything you can do to help spread the word is immensely appreciated.”

    I doubt my on-line email company would risk being part of a spam.

  107. Howard T. Lewis III says:
    February 25, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    “Did this help?”

    —————————
    [ fiddling with my tie ] Why yes, Ollie…it certainly does.

    ——————————-
    “Gulf of Mexico’s Loop Current predicted correctly”

    ———————–
    Did they?
    “Eddy Franklin” wasn’t predicted.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-09-28-loopcurrent28_ST_N.htm

    ————————————
    “Dear kim2ooo, please remember that MANY scientists who monitored the cesstion of the Gulf of Mexico’s Loop Current predicted correctly, that considerable heat and momentum would be lost from the Gulfstream, which would caus a radical temperature drop in The North Atlantic Current and thus colder weather for western Europe this winter or maybe ALL of Europe or worse”
    ———————————

    You logic doesn’t hold
    Right now the Arctic Oscillation is in a negative phase, which tends to favor colder than average weather in Europe and the U.S.

    http://www.nc-climate.ncsu.edu/climate/patterns/NAO.html

    AO and NAO is not new.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/30/land-surface-temp/

    You can get records of them back to 1950 from here. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/nao.shtml

    ———————————
    “If you do not have the education or experience to demonstrate reason and at least, adolescent maturity with these applied technologies, please restrain yourself until you can come up with TRUE information that will do people good.”

    Why not present your references for your “TRUE” information?

    Thou shalt not incoherently blog. ;)

    • kim2ooo, thank you for your response. the source for my comment regarding the current destruction following the DH oil well blowout is infrared photos taken from the U.S. government satellite feed within less thasn one week of the situation unfolding. You can find them yourself @ http://www.gov. This is 2 year old news, so google it up to your laptop. good for you. You care and you recheck . Right now, radiation emanating from Fukushima, a self destructing array of nuclear reators on the beach in Japan is being detected in levels previously deemed pathenogenic per U.S. government and Dr. Linus Pauling’s reserch group. Obummer did not want to offend his GE buddies so the U.S. government may be considered retarded and armed.

  108. Anyone want to bet that “Howard T. Lewis III” is a sock for “A physicist”?

    The “ZOMG Fukushima is the end of the world!!!!!” tirade is the one he was making when I first encountered him, and the Deep Horizon spill was apparently his hobby horse before that.

    • Rob Crawford? Never heard of him.
      Don’t listen to Rob Crawford. He is a liar. I could go on. Parents, that sort of thing.
      Dr. Linus Pauling won a real Nobel Peace Prize for determining extended exposure to even low levels of radioactivity causes cancers. Over 10,000 deaths were caused to neonates of the Pacific northwest by the initial burst of radiation. Heart damage, especially in newborns and fetuses, is killing many newborns and causing many thyroid cancers in Japan now. The reactors went into complete meltdown within an hour or two of the tsunami and at least one reactor’s fuel and spent fuel is as much as 40 feet below their containment building. The emission of radiation is a serious worry and Rob Crawford pleasures himself too much to deal with reality.
      It is good advice to pick up a geiger counter and learn its use and details about the Fukushima fallout. Do your homework and live in paradise, even if retarded idiots, like Rob, destroy your neighborhood by being careless with such an extremely dangerous technology such as fission power used in commercial applications.

  109. Howard T. Lewis III says:
    February 25, 2012 at 9:55 am

    The fact that spent fuel must be managed for thousands of years is a political problem, not a physics one. The fuel should be reprocessed, not stored.

    If you think what happened at Fukishima is remotely relevant to any other nuclear plant on the planet, you are delusional.
    It was an old plant. It got hit by a 9.0 earthquake followed by a 30 foot tsunami. The tsunami took out the back up generator which wasn’t placed high enough or in a water tight structure.

    Even for those few plants that are at risk for tsunamis, a simple fix, costing a few 10’s to maybe $100K dollars will make a repeat impossible. Just harden the structure protecting the back up generator.

  110. Rob Crawford says:
    February 26, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Distinct possibility. Even the rambling style, lots of words, that don’t make any sense, is the same.

  111. Smokey-170 in the logic class.
    Code tech. Ihave been hep to breeder reactors for 40 years. The pollution involved with breeder reactors and the resultant recycled fuel is a magnitude or two messier and more lethal and dangerous than first generation nuclear fuel. Your logic is defective . Inserting and removing relevant true premises to make points does not wash, and implies efforts to deceive.
    kim2ooo to get the ‘A’, of course you must prove ability to apply logic and avoid emotion since it fogs the mind and taints the arguement. I later earned 5 ASE certifications.
    True, my grandfather smoked until he was 93 and he had a half finished pack of Salem cigarettes at his bedside when he died. True, we are all born with tiny genetic errors here and there which our body’s repair system deals with without pills or any therapy. Did I say smoking results in cancer in everybody? NO. I said smoking causes cancer. You just wanted attention to calm your feelings of anxiety or you are being paid to fog the debate.
    NUCLEAR POWER AS WATER BOILING FISSION REACTIONS IS INSANE, and stupid. There have been numerous deaths from radiation exposure in experimental facilities(laboratories) and prototypes. Dr. Linus Pauling won awards and medals from The National Academy of Sciences and a real Nobel Peace Prize for his proof of low levels of radiation causing cancer. Do your home work and be serious about this stuff. Your parents were slobs. I make grammatical errors because some of you fools warrant scant attention. You should study this field for a few years, then report your views if you learned anuthing and believe someone is wrong. Throwing insults or feces is monkey business.

  112. Climate change is based on fraudulent data input and tabulations, as testified to and written about by insiders and as actual produced records prove beyond any doubt. A special production of fraudulent data is the entire arguement for ‘Global Warming’.. Al’D’Gore got a ‘D’ in his ONLY college science class. It was called ‘Natural Science’. My big gripe is that Markey is in way over his head for this committee.As Al ‘D’ Gore is trying to pass himself off as a scientist. I ALMOST voted for him before I heard of him referred to as a “repilian”, a metphor that I checked out. Thank YOU David Icke. He is a bloody reptilian.

  113. kim2ooo, your reference and viewpoint speaks of aspects of AIR CURRENTS. The Gulf of Mexico Loop Current, Gulfstream, North Atlantic Current and the Labrodor Current are all WATER CURRENTS, which by virtue of heat capacity superiority over air by an order of many magnitudes, carry on a heat transfer from tropical zones to northern,and southern latitudes with a mind of their own due to the coriolis affect. Yes, heat rises, but the ‘upness’ of the north pole is an ‘upness’ because of your relationship in space to the globe or map you are looking at. The South Atlantic current transfers heat south along the African coast.
    Why do you want to slap ME? I’m not the crook here.

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