The fact that there’s a scientific workshop discussing the solar-climate relationship at all, especially when doomsayers like Hansen say there’s no solar connection, should tell you something.
I got a chuckle out of the final slide in Dr. Judith Lean’s presentation. First the workshop program:
The 2nd Nagoya Workshop on the Relationship between Solar Activity and Climate Changes
16-17 January, 2012 | Noyori Conference Hall, Nagoya University (Nagoya, Japan)
Session I: Opening and Keynote Talk (Chair: Kanya KUSANO)
- Judith LEAN (Naval Research Laboratory, USA)
Session II: Solar & Heliospheric Activity (Chair: Kanya KUSANO)
- Leif SVALGAARD (Stanford Univ., USA)
- Munetoshi TOKUMARU (Nagoya Univ., Japan)
- Ayumi ASAI (Kyoto Univ., Japan)
Session III: Cosmic Ray and its Influence (Chair: Kimiaki MASUDA)
- Martin BODKER ENGHOFF & Henrik SVENSMARK (National Space Institute, Denmark)
- Hiroko MIYAHARA (Univ. of Tokyo, Japan)
- Shigeo TOMITA (Univ. of Tsukuba, Japan)
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Here’s the Judith Lean presentation: Variations in Solar Irradiance and Climate. WUWT is prominently referenced on slide #23.
But the final slide is what really caught my attention, because I was surprised to see what is in the upper right corner:
I asked Dr. Svalgaard via email:
With the end slide, saying “It’s the sun stupid” I wonder how well she was received?
He replied:
She’s an authority on this and was well received.
Well allrighty then.
Footnote: While I can’t be sure if someone said it before me, or if Dr. Lean got the phrase from me (I did reference her 2000 solar irradiance graph) the phrase “It’s the Sun, stupid” first appeared on WUWT on April 6th, 2007:
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The unraveling is worse than we thought.
This is nothing short of awesome.
JimB
What is the last slide? Unable to download, the site may be overloaded. Can you post?
Of course, we all know that if it’s the SUN…well…there’s just simply nothing for any politician or ideological group to control…there is no power to wield and there is no amount of lifestyle change that will alleviate that part of the problem.
Nothing to see here…move along.
JimB
It amazes me that this is considered radical thought.
Now we all know why so many Warmistas have started popping up on WUWT.
I guess we all now know why Japan pulled out of Kyoto (the accord). It looks like it’s all about Nagoya in the future.
“Now we all know why so many Warmistas have started popping up on WUWT”
Our sunny dispositions???
I asked Dr. Svalgaard via email:
With the end slide, saying “It’s the sun stupid” I wonder how well she was received?
He replied:
She’s an authority on this and was well received.
Well, it probably isnt just that she is an authority that caused it to be well received. It was at least in part (about 71%) that she was ridiculing the notion that it is the sun, and pretty much saying that the people who think so are stupid. Look at the context the pull quote is presented in:
“The sun could account for as much as 69% of the increase in Earth’s average temperature” West noted.
With:
West himself said during a Thursday conference call that global warming is at least partially man-made — and maybe as much as “70 percent” due to human intervention.
It sounds like Judith Lean is making fun of this guy with the use of these materials. Which doesn’t sound all that difficult, given that his answer to just about every question on “global warming” attribution seems to be “oh, about 70%”.
And it seems her point in including the “Its the sun stupid” graphic is to make fun of that too.
Why is this surprising?
The implications of the decrease in grain crops like wheat and corn from even a slight cooling, are, um, chilling, and no laughing matter.
@Brad, the last slide is the “Danger Room” photo above towards end of blog post.
Without the Sun, there is no weather or humans to worry about it.
Kudos to Andy!
Great that prominent scientists are starting to say it ever louder. Over at Andy Revkin’s Dot Earth (NYT), bloggers have been addressing the subject of climate science in the classroom. Any course on the subject should have the first week devoted to the sun.
The IPCC approach merely mentions the sun matter-of-factly, before diving into detail with,”One of the most important [Climate Drivers] is Greenhouse Gas Emissions.” This mentality has been there since day 1. No doubt, Climate Science courses do the same thing.
Perhaps in a few years, the course syllabus will quietly change, with more time devoted to the sun and less time to electric cars, windmills & cattle farts.
Kurt in Switzerland
If we assume Judith Lean is correct and the sun is responsible for much of the variability, I feel it might be a little like sanding on the beach watching with fear as the ocean recedes and fretting you no longer have beach front property. Your relieved for a brief period of time as the ocean comes back, and then keeps coming and coming and coming ….
Cold periods are times of war, revolutions, shortages and starvation.
Oops!
Meant to say Anthony, not Andy.
I’ll try harder next time.
Kurt in Switzerland
It’s taking ages to download the slides can anyone tell me what the proposed mechanism is for how sunspots increase average global temperatures.
Perhaps Anthony you can clarify the 69% attributed to the Sun and the 70% attributed to “man”. Seems to me a misquote somewhere ??
“Well, it probably isnt just that she is an authority that caused it to be well received. It was at least in part (about 71%) that she was ridiculing the notion that it is the sun, and pretty much saying that the people who think so are stupid. Look at the context the pull quote is presented in:..”
Perhaps Dr. Svalgaard will chime in at some point and supply the correct contest for that graphic? And anything else that needs proper context?
Sorry. The above comment was referencing JJ’s remark
JJ says:
February 8, 2012 at 10:29 am
Slide #23 mentioned, is a screen shot of this:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/14/the-major-aas-solar-announcement-suns-fading-spots-signal-big-drop-in-solar-activity/
As long as the sun is looked in isolation from the rest of solar system it is likely not be fully understood.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/NFC7a.htm
Watts is the MAN. Even though I’m on third string, it’s nice to be on the winning TEAM.
JJ says:
February 8, 2012 at 10:29 am
It was at least in part (about 71%) that she was ridiculing the notion that it is the sun, and pretty much saying that the people who think so are stupid.
That is my take too, albeit a bit less emphatic. Both Lean and I believe the sun has an influence, but that it is small, cf. her slide 11.
Solar Shift Rocks Germany
http://www.thegwpf.org/international-news/4923-solar-shift-rock-germany.html
Maybe Hansen, Gore and Branson can make an expedition to the sun to check it out, afterall, according to Gore, just below the surface it’s much hotter here on earth.