As mentioned in our WUWT story earlier today Increased CO2 Emissions Will Delay Next Ice Age the official press release is now out at Eurekalert and published below. I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth already. Bottom line, you can manage a hot summer, but you can’t get out of the way of tons of ice. Unfortunately, the authors find a way to make this out to be bad news, by suggesting Antarctica is melting. So far, we’ve seen no evidence of that. In fact Antarctic Sea Ice is trending upwards in the past 30 years:
Graph source: Cryosphere Today
From the University of Florida
Global warming caused by greenhouse gases delays natural patterns of glaciation, researchers say
GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Unprecedented levels of greenhouse gases in the Earth’s atmosphere are disrupting normal patterns of glaciation, according to a study co-authored by a University of Florida researcher and published online Jan. 8 in Nature Geoscience.
The Earth’s current warm period that began about 11,000 years ago should give way to another ice age within about 1,500 years, according to accepted astronomical models. However, current levels of carbon dioxide are trapping too much heat in the atmosphere to allow the Earth to cool as it has in its prehistoric past in response to changes in Earth’s orbital pattern. The research team, a collaboration among University College London, University of Cambridge and UF, said their data indicate that the next ice age will likely be delayed by tens of thousands of years.
That may sound like good news, but it probably isn’t, said Jim Channell, distinguished professor of geology at UF and co-author.
“Ice sheets like those in western Antarctica are already destabilized by global warming,” said Channell. “When they eventually slough off and become a part of the ocean’s volume, it will have a dramatic effect on sea level.” Ice sheets will continue to melt until the next phase of cooling begins in earnest.
The study looks at the prehistoric climate-change drivers of the past to project the onset of the next ice age. Using astronomical models that show Earth’s orbital pattern with all of its fluctuations and wobbles over the last several million years, astronomers can calculate the amount of solar heat that has reached the Earth’s atmosphere during past glacial and interglacial periods.
“We know from past records that Earth’s orbital characteristics during our present interglacial period are a dead ringer for orbital characteristics in an interglacial period 780,000 years ago,” said Channell. The pattern suggests that our current period of warmth should be ending within about 1,500 years.
However, there is a much higher concentration of greenhouse gases trapping the sun’s heat in the Earth’s atmosphere now than there was in at least the last several million years, he said. So the cooling that would naturally occur due to changes in the Earth’s orbital characteristics are unable to turn the temperature tide.
Over the past million years, the Earth’s carbon dioxide levels, as recorded in ice core samples, have never reached more than 280 parts per million in the atmosphere. “We are now at 390 parts per million,” Channell said. The sudden spike has occurred in the last 150 years.
For millions of years, carbon dioxide levels have ebbed and flowed between ice ages. Orbital patterns initiate periods of warming that cause ocean circulation to change. The changes cause carbon dioxide-rich water in the deep ocean to well up toward the surface where the carbon dioxide is released as a gas back into the atmosphere. The increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide then drives further warming and eventually the orbital pattern shifts again and decreases the amount of solar heat that reaches the Earth.
“The problem is that now we have added to the total amount of CO2 cycling through the system by burning fossil fuels,” said Channell. “The cooling forces can’t keep up.”
Channell said that the study, funded by the National Science Foundation in the U.S, and the Research Council of Norway and the Natural Environment Research Council in the United Kingdom, brings to the forefront the importance of atmospheric carbon dioxide because it shows the dramatic effect that it is having on a natural cycle that has controlled our Earth’s climate for millions of years.
“We haven’t seen this high concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere for several million years,” Channell said. “All bets are off.”
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This strikes me as a Trojan horse to legitimize AGW: being lulled into pointing to human-generated CO2 as being a good thing, thereby buying into AGW. IT’S A TRAP! A stupid, trap, but a trap nonetheless. But if there’s no AGW, there can be no “Ice Age Retardation.”
“Unprecedented levels of greenhouse gases in the Earth’s atmosphere are …” ??
“current levels of carbon dioxide are trapping too much heat in the atmosphere…” ???
Antarctica was glaciated 12 million years ago when both temperatures and CO2 levels were much higher than today.
THEY MAKE IT SOUND LIKE A BAD THING????
evidently nobody remembers when cooling was all the rage in the early 1970s scientists were discussing how that would mean a destabilization of the Antarctic ice sheets
We need to add history of science to every PhD curriculum otherwise they will look like complete fools and especially now the internet forgets nothing.
Doomed if we do, doomed if we don’t. Best just hand over the money now.
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Oh dear. How divorced from reality and empirical evidence can these people become?
Need i say more?
Kindest Regards
“brings to the forefront the importance of atmospheric carbon dioxide because it shows the dramatic effect that it is having on a natural cycle that has controlled our Earth’s climate for millions of years.”
IF you buy the speculation that CO2 has an impact. I’m not convinced that it does. We went into the current glacial period right about the time the Drake Passage and the Isthmus of Panama appeared not requiring any great drop in CO2 levels.
What is happening here is that speculation is being built upon speculation and is walking thinking out into left field. These people can honestly say with a straight face that all these changes are occurring by looking at what amounts to less than 100 years of data? I’d say they’re crazy.
thepompousgit – “Frank” must be the most common first-name associated to the Morabito family 😎
And I wonder if it’s time for stickers such as “Burn gas! Restore the CO2 natural balance! Prevent an ice age!”
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/technology/8400117/species-lag-in-climate-change-shift
NOT so fast dudes. Europe is warming so fast that all the researchers can do now is relax in their new condo’s in Monaco. Will Europe be the only part of the globe to stay Ice free?? stay tuned.
((when your funds are short, tell a tall tale))
regards
” …….. brings to the forefront the importance of atmospheric carbon dioxide because it shows the dramatic effect that it is having on a natural cycle ….”
Hello idiots. What would that present tense dramatic effect be again ??
Yawn, fell off stool, hit floor, then went back to sleep. For minute I thought there was something interesting to read!!!!! Where do they come from I really do not know! Last I heard that “scientists” & “experts” were claiming that due to orbital mechanics the Earth would not enter another ice-age for 50,000-100,000 years! 🙂
Maurizio Morabito (omnologos) said @ur momisugly January 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm
“evidently nobody remembers when cooling was all the rage in the early 1970s scientists were discussing how that would mean a destabilization of the Antarctic ice sheets”
Some of us remember. The Git also remembers going to school in the 60s with Frank Morabito.
Perhaps we need to change the language used; we are restoring carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, not adding it.
Mr Rosenberg cuts straight to the heart of the matter. Surely any discussion of this paper should be on an “If….Then….” basis.
GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Unprecedented levels of greenhouse gases in the Earth’s atmosphere …
Ever heard of the Carboniferous?
…it shows the dramatic effect that it (CO2) is having on a natural cycle that has controlled our Earth’s climate for millions of years.
Shows the effect of something 1500 years from now? They invented a time machine?
The only true statement in this whole article is…
.. the study, funded by the National Science Foundation …
And we taxpayers are paying for more of this nonsense.
Look at that first word in the press release … unprecedented.
Horsefeathers.
When the next Ice Age begins, scientists will be tripping over each other in a rush to show how their own cherished thinking warned that it was coming. Hopefully, if it’s a thousand years in the future, they might even get it right.
Reblogged this on pindanpost.
Over the past million years, the Earth’s carbon dioxide levels, as recorded in ice core samples, have never reached more than 280 parts per million in the atmosphere. “We are now at 390 parts per million,”
Not true. The ice cores do not show we are now at 390 parts per million. The study is confusing two different measurements made with two different instruments. One taken in the polar regions, the other from an active volcano. One low band-pass the other high band-pass.
Like listening to music, one sample with the bass turned up, the other with the treble turned up, then claiming one sound nothing like the other.
Oh good, more bad news. Natural patterns disturbed, very bad, that means more funding, and that’s good. It’s probably unethical to disturb a natural pattern, hey, make that a crime against humanity. Even when it’s good for humanity.
Phil, we have a PR problem…
I always think it’s amusing when AGW proponents don’t seem to agree among themselves. In this article we have carbon dioxide “trapping too much heat in the atmosphere.” Well. the atmosphere in total holds a mere 4% of the thermal energy in the land+ocean+atmosphere system. And, if it gets temporarily warmer, what’s to stop it radiating away the extra energy? But, as I said, they can’t agree – for others say its the backradiation warming the surface, and yet others that its “Ocean Heat Content” building up.
Well, actually it’s none of the above that is caused by carbon dioxide, because it is physically impossible for backradiation to warm the surface, and if the energy is going into warming the atmosphere there would not be enough left for all the backradiation which they are out there measuring – or at least think they are measuring. Funny how direct sunlight seems to have nothing to do with it.
“Over the past million years, the Earth’s carbon dioxide levels, as recorded in ice core samples, have never reached more than 280 parts per million in the atmosphere. ”
That’s because all the CO2 that was originally meant to be in the atmosphere, GOT BURIED !!!
CO2 has been balanced precariously, just above plant-subsistence levels.
Thanks to us humans, the proper, intended, balance is gradually being rectified.
I’ve just finished reading Prof Brian Fagin’s book “The Little Ice Age: How Climate Made History, 1300-1850.”
After that, I can say with absolute certainty: I like this warmth … a LOT! In fact, I LOVE this warmth… leave it alone! It’s great, wonderful, comfortable and not everyone is starving! Don’t mess with it!
We’re in an Ice Age, in an interglacial warm period. One thing is certain: the glaciers will come back. I don’t mind at all if they can leave things as they are for the rest of my lifetime :-). If it takes CO2 to make this warmth, then light some more bonfires!
“We haven’t seen this high concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere for several million years,”
So we see it again, and?
The worrying thing is, when this scam is finally exposed, we’re just not going to have enough rope.
So slick. Now they can conveniently explain any cooling cycles, forever. Its that coming Ice Age overwhelming AGW, while that lasts. Keeps the AGW story alive but I can’t see how it helps the CO2 warriors/industry… unless they can somehow fool people into thinking colder is better.
That will be some trick.
Maybe it needs to get colder to kill off terrorists or some demonic Facebook virus. I’m sure they’ll think of something.
Yeah right. LOL.