ATI Statement on Results from Today’s Hearing in Freedom of Information Act Case Against U. of Virginia
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, September 16, 2011
Contact: Paul Chesser, paul.chesser@atinstitute.org
Today in Prince William County court Judge Gaylord Finch delayed arguments and the scheduled production of documents in American Tradition Institute’s Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the University of Virginia. A brief hearing was held to discuss a Motion to Intervene in the case by lawyers for former UVA professor Michael Mann, whose records that were created while employed there are what ATI seeks. Judge Finch, recognizing the important precedent-setting potential of the case, said he wanted to schedule a longer hearing — two hours — to hear arguments about whether to allow Dr. Mann, now at Pennsylvania State University, to enter the case.
Judge Finch granted ATI a sur reply in the case, which allows ATI Environmental Law Center director David Schnare to place additional materials before the court as Judge Finch considers whether to allow Dr. Mann to intervene. The two-hour hearing is scheduled for Nov. 1.
Statement by ATI Environmental Law Center director Dr. David Schnare about today’s developments:
“If it wasn’t clear before, it should now be clear to everybody. This is an extremely important case, and we appreciate Judge Finch’s careful attention to detail as we proceed.”
See case documents, press releases, media coverage, commentary, broadcast interviews, etc. pertaining to ATI v. University of Virginia by clicking here: http://bit.ly/mLZLXC
h/t to Bob Ferguson
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I don’t see that the case is important in the sense of a legal precedent, but it is certainly important to Michael Mann. It certainly makes me wonder what he is hiding!
So are they trying to string this along to beyond the date when relevations would have to be considered in the next IPCC Report? What is the deadline for research and drafts in that process.
recognizing the important precedent-setting potential of the case
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The only thing that would be precedent-setting, would be to allow someone to avoid a FOIA……
That judge must hate his parents.
Well, it looks like Judge Gaylord Finch may be less than the ‘honorable judge’ he should be. Virginians tried to oust him back in 2009, for various acts of judicial skullduggery…..
Pitchfork rebellion against Judge Finch
By: Examiner Staff Writer | 01/13/09 1:00 AM
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“A lot of Virginians are coming out of the woodwork and demanding that the General Assembly refuse to reappoint Fairfax Circuit Court Judge Gaylord Finch. The complaints are coming close to critical mass.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/opinion/2009/01/pitchfork-rebellion-against-judge-finch#ixzz1Y8vW89AR
This could suggest that ATI has information that could shed light on the public interest that would be served by examining these emails. ATI would not make this motion capriciously.
Another 6 weeks, minimum, to find 2 hours.
Not just in the States, but in Canada and elsewhere, there is so much foolishness spent in hair-splitting at a senior level that it takes six weeks to find an additional hour or so of court time. Or lawyer time – lawyers who are allowed to explain that their case load is so high that they are unavailable, but not so high as to tell their clients that really they have insufficient time available to handle their cases and so the client should look elsewhere.
So much foolishness.
It would be interesting to check on some other research, not related to AGW and see how hard it is to get the information. Do all scientists hide their data OR only the ones that have “hidden the decline”?
none of this really matters..Obama will just sign an ex order and some how we will all be ……
I do not get it. Any documents created while employed are normally the property of the employer. It is normally made clear in the hiring contract. These are University documents and MM should have no say as to anything concerning their release.
Methinks Mann doth protest too much.
Ron Cramsaid: “It certainly makes me wonder what he is hiding!”
As Nancy Pelosi said, “We have to vote for it so we can find out what’s in it! It’s like Christmas!”
I am surprised she was not censured for referring to a religious holiday.
It’s sure going to be fun to see what Mann is hiding. Mann-gate.
How secure are the UVA documents? Do other documents/emails concerning Mann exist at UVA that have not yet seen the light of day? How many other public documents/emails not at UVA are referenced?
I am not a trusting person. This game of delay, delay, delay has gone on too long. How many documents have been destroyed? How many elinks and paper trails have been/will be lost? At the rate this issue is progressing the only things left will be Mann’s emails to his mother.
Important? I guess since I got an email from Mann back in the day, I should enter the case as well. Either the judge is a publicity hound, or just stupid.
If only Mann would follow through on his threat to sue the writers of the song “Hide the Decline” for defamation. Then Mann would be compelled to produce the documents in open court.
Face it, truth never escapes via official processes. All official processes are designed exclusively to bury the truth.
Only hacking works.
I’m starting to wonder which side ATI is on. It has consumed a considerable amount of money and effort in generating useless delays. The people who have contributed the money and effort might otherwise have put their money and effort into more productive purposes. Like sleeping.
Skeptic says: “At the rate this issue is progressing the only things left will be Mann’s emails to his mother.”
And your proof that MM has one is….?
Theodore 11.44
I have learnt that deadline for scientific material for IPPC 5th assesment report is 31 dec 2011.
But when Michael Mann is involved I think it’s about time to question his contribution to the worlds scientific knowledge. It is stated that he is world class in paleoclimate reconstructions, but has he ever made any effort to collect or refine the basic data records?
My impression is that he has taken the right to select data from other providers and present them after statistical processing as his own.
He has a reputation of being a climate scientist, but to me he is just anorher number cruncher playing with the latest tool: “multivarate analysis”.
Michael Mann claimes to have found a signal in noise but so far reality has proved him wrong.
Here’s the drill. The judge sets this over not just to find 2 hours but to give the parties time to prepare and for ATI to come up with some more material. Then they have a little dance on Nov 1 and decide to have more argument or perhaps to take evidence later on. Eventually the judge rules… maybe March of next year. Then Mann appeals the judgment. That winds through the appeal court for 2 or 3 years. By then the 17 year self imposed time limit is over and the whole hoax becomes moot. (wishful thinking about the “moot” part, realistic about the time lines.
Didn’t Sarah Palin have her office emails FOI’d a while back? Is Mann somehow more equal than Palin?
Can we expect another insider upload of the emails?
If….eventually….Mann has to capitulate…are the attachments also covered in this case?
I know that I would fight tooth and nail to sequester documents that would get me charged with criminal offenses. I wonder what Mikey’s motivation is.
Mann’s actions of denial and delay don’t surprise me a bit. I’d be shocked–SHOCKED! I tell you, if he were to simply comply like any other well-disciplined professor.
Actions like these completely destroy whatever professional reputation he may have had. Sad thing is, he doesn’t recognize the consequences.
MM’s flaw of ignoring (or actually hiding) the Medieval Warming Period in his so-called “Hockey Stick” is such a major scientific deception that he should be totally discredited by now. The only thing saving him is that other so-called scientists are so highly invested in the AGW fraud that they will go down with him. There are big bucks riding on this scam and the reputation of science in general will be thoroughly depleted when the truth is finally told. The media, major AGW supporters, unfortunately, no longer has any credibility to lose. There is no consensus on AGW, only a large number of discredulous lemmings, hungry for tenure or the next grant, with unfettered access to the media and no accountability in the few instances when someone with guts stands up to them. Next, we need to look at Obama’s Social Security Number.