Once again, I’m going to give WUWT readers an opportunity to make a forecast for submission, based on voting. See the poll at the end.
I’ll run this poll each month in the week before the deadline, and we’ll see how we do as the minimum approaches. The value used by ARCUS is the NSIDC value as they say here:
The sea ice monthly extent for September 2010 was 4.9 million square kilometers, based on National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) estimates.
So don’t be using the JAXA graph to forecast minimums, though it it useful for determining short term trends as it is more responsive than the NSDIC graph below, which is averaged.

Here’s the latest JAXA graph: 
JAXA AMSR-E Sea Ice Extent -15% or greater – click to enlarge
On May 30th I submitted the results of the first poll to ARCUS to be included in their June Outlook, as shown below:
Download High Resolution Version of Figure 1.
WUWT is second highest, at 5.5 million sq km. Notably missing this year is “Wilson”, who in the last two years started out with impossibly low values such as 1 million sq km. I’ll repeat the poll next week in preparation for the August Outlook. In the meantime, check the WUWT Sea Ice Page for the latest.
and here is the July results, WUWT is still second highest, but down to 5.1:
Download High Resolution Version of Figure 1.
Here’s the poll for the ARCUS August outlook, it will run until July 31st at midnight PST.
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5.8 Mkm squared
Do I win a grant if I am right?
🙂
I’m still going for around the 5.1m mark! (cooling is just around the corner guys!)
I want to predict that WUWT readers will probably adjust their estimate downwards somewhat now that we are getting closer to a result – they give me the impression that they are willing to weigh up the information in a more “realistic” way and not be so much biased by preconceived ideas :-g.
5.2 mil.
I didn’t vote in the previous polls, as I must have missed them as they rolled from a top 5 or so postings. I’ve followed the proceedings though. I think the mean of the WUWT poll has been a bit high, though I doubt it will reach the ’07 minimum. My somewhat self educated WAG is the 4.6 to 4.8 range.
I’ll be somewhat relieved if we stay above the 2007 minimum. Way too much ice is going out the Fram Strait this summer, though the Narez Strait may be plugged. Also, the NSIDC density map shows less solid white than I recall from past Julys.
lol At Global Cooling.
It’s about as likely as Jesus return.
I’m going to say 4.4-4.7
My first prediction was 5.0 MKm2, matching what the Canadian Ice Service predicted. However, watching the recent NSIDC trends, I downgraded that to 4.6-4.8 MKm2.
The Northeast Passage is now essentially open, let’s see when the Northwest Passage opens up. In any event, sea ice age will continue to grow.
I would just like to say that I really like coverage of the ice melt season. So much like a horse race. Is there betting? 🙂
Summoning R Gates…
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If all of the Arctic icecap were to melt – that is, all of the 4 – 5 million square kilometers now covered at the minimum point of Sept 15 to 22, what would happen?
Oddly, amid all of the many dozen different college meteorology summaries, class exams, lesson plans and earth science and physics texts I’ve read on-line and on paper, none have ever calculated the actual reason for the recent warming, and none have calculated what would happen if all the ice were gone. Most conventional CAGW paper and lesson plan does discuss the difference in albedo and reflection between ice and water, and a few actually show the calculations. But even those do for a single piece of miraculous square meter of ice: in orbit, directly above the equator on the equinox, during a perfectly “average” day of a perfectly circular earth’s orbit for perfectly flat square meter of perfect substrate at the instant of solar noon. Some continue, like the national ice research center’s website, to wave their hands – so to speak – about albedo feedback and increased melting causing increased heating of the earth. But none have actually shown why a measured 1/4 of one degree warming in the earth’s supposed “average” temperature can actually melt as many tons of ice that they claim.
No calc’s have ever used a real piece of real ocean water (or real Arctic sea ice) with real waves set at the Arctic’s latitude during the entire 24 period of a real day at every relevant part of the year with real values of atmospheric attenuation and real world “rough” ice/air/water albedo and reflectivities and absorption at angles under 15 degrees. So, how can they claim their much-vaunted “positive feedback” for the Arctic sea ice? They have never shown what the feedback is. (Granted, some begin to approach this: I have seen “average” albedo values for ice, pure water, and melted spots. But those albedos are quoted for the equator, when the sun is directly above the surface. For a flat surface -with no waves or wind or ice hummocks and ridges. And even those “average” values for albedo vary all over the map. No reference presents data for the attenuation of sunshine due to clouds for each month of the year in the Arctic. No paper or lesson plan uses actual values for reflection from the ice, the water, or the broken up and irregular pack ice. None list month-to-month values for how much energy is absorbed in the atmosphere before it even reachs the surface to even have a chance of being absorbed by the ice to begin its melting.
If there were a catastrophe could be calculated – and just fear-mongered with exaggerations about future warming and massive feedbacks, you’d think somebody at NSIRD would have published some measured values for the area where the catastrophe were beginning.
Do they somehow claim that increased CO2 levels can heat the Arctic air so high that the sea ice will not re-freeze each November-January-February-March-April when there is no sunshine up for 12 months of the year? Winter average temperature is -25 degrees C. The sea ice will re-freeze each winter. And re-melt each summer.
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Further, if conventional CAGW theory holds that Arctic sea ice melting is a definite symptom of CAGW warming, and is at the same time “proof” of that global warming, why have they never calculated how a mere (and measured) 1/4 degree temperature increase in the air melt that many millions of tons of sea ice? (Yes – sea ice is melted from below, from the relatively warmer waters of the Arctic Ocean melting the bottom of the ice faster than the cold air mass above can freeze more. So, why have we never seen calculations of the time of year, average temperature of water, sea ice, and air, and a real value for the heat exchange coefficients?
Worse – the DMI HAS measured the temperatures at 80 north latitude every day since 1958. And Arctic summer temperatures have consistently gone down since that date. Why does Hansen claim his +4 degree rise?
RACookPE1978 says “the DMI HAS measured the temperatures at 80 north latitude every day since 1958. And Arctic summer temperatures have consistently gone down since that date.“.
Link?
I’m holding on 5-5.1.
By the way, Anthony, did Dr. Walt Meier get back to you about the orange boundaries for “Arctic sea ice extent”? In a previous post, you wrote:
[Update: Dr. Walt Meier of NSIDC in an email agrees that the orange boundaries are “somewhat arbitrary” and has agreed to explore a “what if” question for me. I hope to have a plot from him using Arctic circle as a boundary in a couple of weeks to see if there is any significant difference – Anthony] My Google-fu seems to be failing me, because I can’t find a follow-up post on that.
REPLY: No he did not. – Anthony
I predict the arctic ice mass minimum will be more than enough to make a proper gin and tonic….. but less than the antarctic ice mass (penguin population total mass deducted) +/- 3, naturally!
problems posting on tips & notes, so here goes:
btw nowhere in the 340 pages is “global warming” much less “manmade global warming”, much less CAGW mentioned:
(found on joanne nova)
(340 pages) The Australian Carbon Tax legislation has been released finally: The draft from the Climate Change Department
http://www.climatechange.gov.au/government/submissions/clean-energy-legislative-package/~/media/publications/clean-energy-legislation/exposure-draft-clean-energy-bill-2011-pdf.pdf
“Worse – the DMI HAS measured the temperatures at 80 north latitude every day since 1958.”
DMI uses a model to construct the temperatures.
How come people are still betting greater than 6.0 given the current value? That would have to be a massive turnaround with a very poor August followed by a very quick refreeze to give a September figure that high. Stranger things have happened I guess.
The poll seems quite spread out now.
Andy
Oh yeah, Brian, have you visited the Iceland Volcano and Earthquake Blog lately and checked out the Katla news? I’m not saying it’s going to, but also not saying that I won’t see Jesus before I die either.
Good fun.
But come back when sea ice in February is less than 1.0 Million m2 and I’ll start to wonder if the Thermageddonists are at least a little bit right.
Smokey says:
July 27, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Summoning R Gates…
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Oh god please no.
Any break therefrom (the “summoning”) is a welcome respite.
What are you trying to be all of the sudden, Smokey, some sort of medium?
Let him/her rest. No need to excite him/her.
Nothing is said anyways other than 75% AGWist versus 25% Skeptic blah blah blah….and something obligatory about the “AGW Models” and some sort of hand-wringing about sea ice.
No need to summon the spirits. Let him/her save THAT for the ScFi channel.
Smokey steer clear of the drama that is about to ensue…because you mentioned his/her name.
LOL
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
4.6 to 4.7 Million km2….. low.
Just to hedge my prognostication ability, It will more likely be lower than 4.6 to 4.7 Million km2 than higher.
Ed Mertin says:
“….Iceland Volcano and Earthquake Blog lately and checked out the Katla news? I’m not saying it’s going to, but also not saying that I won’t see Jesus before I die either.”
It’s gonna be a toss up. My money is on Hekla. I could be wrong, Katla’s last two events in the http://www.volcano.si.edu list show up as “uncertain” and the new ice craters are tantalizing. Something is up. But Hekla.. well, when it goes it gives very little warning. The last event occurred about 15 to 20 minutes after the associated quakes crossed the threshold of being able to feel them if you were standing on top of them.
5.1 to 5.2 & a rapid freeze thereafter, along the line of 2002.
I suspect the minimum will be very low and the recovery relatively fast. This has been the pattern for a bit. The core ice seems dense and solid, allowing for the same. The Warmists have been hiding or ignoring the thermometer readings for some time. The loss of seasonal ice seems more wind and current driven then atmospheric. Just my thinking.