This seems like a good idea, and I’ll be happy to dedicate a page to it if readers help fill in.
WUWT reader Charles Harrison uses the new submit story feature (see header menu) to ask this:
I would like to have a personal collection of AGW quotations to use in presentations, etc. Things like no more snow, the latest proposal to tattoo skeptics, the need to bring about the end of industrial civilization, etc.
I think this would be fun and useful and maybe Anthony could make a spot for it on the reference page. If nothing else, I would like to be sure I have correct attributions when I use these quotes.
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Al Gore was gored when Tipper Gore reached her tipping point.
“I have cited many examples of recent climatic variability and repeated the warnings of several well-known climatologists that a cooling trend has set in-perhaps one akin to the Little Ice Age-and that climatic variability, which is the bane of reliable food production, can be expected to increase along with the cooling.” Stephen Schneider, The Genesis Strategy, (New York: Plenum Press, 1976), p. 90
Cooling causes warming, much as warming causes cooling.
“But as Dr. Lamb pointed out calmly, such heat waves have accompanied every past global cooling and are to be expected. A high-pressure zone blocked warm air and chilled the North Atlantic. Now another high-pressure zone was blocking cold air and bringing extremes of heat into Europe. But such blocks were both symptoms of a cooling climate. Such cooling, he said, ‘means more volatile weather. It will be more hot, more cold, more wet and more dry, just as it was in the seventeenth century.’” Lowell Ponte, The Cooling, (Englewood Cliffs: Prentice-Hall, 1976), p. 40 “
This laugher from David Suzuki, who apparently does not know physics or chemistry.
“It has been known since the last century that carbon-bearing compounds are transparent to sunlight but opaque to infra-red. In other words, sunlight passes through carbon-containing air whereas infra-red heat rays tend to be reflected by the carbon.
We are familiar with this effect in a car that has sat in the sun. The interior becomes hot because the carbon in the glass keeps the heat in.”
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/features/suzuki/story.html?id=4bee3fa9-9a10-46f1-9d6a-648a19710b30
Suzuki made these 6 elemental scientific errors, in two short paragraphs.
1. Carbon in glass? Maybe in the front windshield, sandwiched between 2 sheets of glass. As glass is mostly opaque to infrared (IR), its moot.
2. Carbon compounds may or may not trap heat. Polyethylene, for example, is transparent to IR.
3. Heat in the car is from modifying convection, not radiation. Decreased convection = increased radiation. Polyethylene vs glass in greenhouses shows no difference in heat retention, in spite of the different IR properties of the two barriers. The heat retention is from preventing convection.
4. Glass is mostly opaque to IR, not the supposed carbon in it. Suzuki assumes it’s not opaque, by needing the “carbon” in it to stop IR.
5. Carbon molecules may, or may not, allow visible light through. Again, it depends on the molecule.
6. Suzuki says carbon bearing compounds REFLECT IR. Some compounds allow IR through. The ones that don’t, ABSORB IR photons, then re-emit photons. They don’t reflect.
‘No Pressure’ 10:10 Campaign
‘It wasn’t my fault, I was home having a baby’ 10:10 Campaign Director
‘We know where you live’ Greenpeace Marketing Guy
‘We have to announce disasters or nobody will listen’ Professor Sir John Houghton
‘Nobody ever asked’ Phil Jones, author of 200+ ‘peer reviewed’ papers on how often he had shown his data and methods to others.
‘Voodoo Science’ Mr Pachauri
Good idea:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23966774/Climate-Gate-The-Email-Quotes
http://sublimeguile.com/post/261206137/some-choice-quotes-from-climate-gate-the-leaked
Yes! A collection of the QoF (Quotes of Fools). Or WDIST (Why did I say that?) Or ER (elitism reigns).
Will a Chladni harmonic pattern reveal itself?
From the MSM, circa 1970s:
Science magazine (Dec. 10, 1976) warned of “extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation.”
Science Digest (February 1973) reported that “the world’s climatologists are agreed” that we must “prepare for the next ice age.”
The Christian Science Monitor (“Warning: Earth’s Climate is Changing Faster Than Even Experts Expect,” Aug. 27, 1974) reported that glaciers “have begun to advance,” “growing seasons in England and Scandinavia are getting shorter” and “the North Atlantic is cooling down about as fast as an ocean can cool.”
Newsweek agreed (“The Cooling World,” April 28, 1975) that meteorologists “are almost unanimous” that catastrophic famines might result from the global cooling that the New York Times (Sept. 14, 1975) said “may mark the return to another ice age.”
The Times (May 21, 1975) also said “a major cooling of the climate is widely considered inevitable” now that it is “well established” that the Northern Hemisphere’s climate “has been getting cooler since about 1950.”
This is a great idea.
Here are a few classics from the old days.
We need to get some broad based support,
to capture the public’s imagination…
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts…
Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest.”<
– Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports
“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue.
Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of
economic and environmental policy.”</em
– Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation
“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world.”
– Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment
“The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations
on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models.”
– Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research
“The models are convenient fictions
that provide something very useful.”
– Dr David Frame,
climate modeler, Oxford University
“I believe it is appropriate to have an ‘over-representation’ of the facts
on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience.”
– Al Gore,
Climate Change activist
“It doesn’t matter what is true,
it only matters what people believe is true.”
– Paul Watson,
co-founder of Greenpeace
“The only way to get our society to truly change is to
frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
– emeritus professor Daniel Botkin
“The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and
spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest
opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level.”
– Al Gore,
Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech
“We are on the verge of a global transformation.
All we need is the right major crisis…”
– David Rockefeller,
Club of Rome executive member
Source
Just a couple for that page:
“Surely it’s time for climate-change deniers to have their opinions forcibly tattooed on their bodies.” link
(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole. link
I suspect that my post on MSM at 08:12 is probably plagiarized. I usually have sources in my database, but this one does not.
If anyone knows where I lifted this, please let me know.
Boatload of quotes have been gathered at this site-
http://www.c3headlines.com/global-warming-quotes-climate-change-quotes.html
and http://www.c3headlines.com/quotes-from-global-warming-critics-skeptics-sceptics.html
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_house_hearings&docid=f:31362.wais
CHAIRMAN BARTON. I understand that. It looks like my time
is expired, so I want to ask one more question. Dr. North, do you
dispute the conclusions or the methodology of Dr. Wegman’s report?
DR. NORTH. No, we don’t. We don’t disagree with their
criticism. In fact, pretty much the same thing is said in our
report. But again, just because the claims are made, doesn’t
mean they are false.
CHAIRMAN BARTON. I understand that you can have the right
conclusion and that it not be–
DR. NORTH. It happens all the time in science.
CHAIRMAN BARTON. Yes, and not be substantiated by what you
purport to be the facts but have we established–we know that
Dr. Wegman has said that Dr. Mann’s methodology is incorrect. Do
you agree with that? I mean, it doesn’t mean Dr. Mann’s
conclusions are wrong, but we can stipulate now that we have–and if
you want to ask your statistician expert from North Carolina that
Dr. Mann’s methodology cannot be documented and cannot be verified
by independent review.
DR. NORTH. Do you mind if he speaks?
CHAIRMAN BARTON. Yes, if he would like to come to the
microphone.
MR. BLOOMFIELD. Thank you. Yes, Peter Bloomfield. Our
committee reviewed the methodology used by Dr. Mann and his coworkers
and we felt that some of the choices they made were inappropriate.
We had much the same misgivings about his work that was documented
at much greater length by Dr. Wegman.
James Hansen in Feb 2009:
The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death. Link to article
Les Johnson has a wealth of them. can he do a data dump?
Quotes without citations are worse than useless – they just lower the SNR.
“42% returns in the world’s next trillion $ market. Invest in carbon credits.”
Yeah! Right!
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/oIqX1-JFqEjS2R11Wi4k3A?feat=directlink
An excellent idea.
Where possible, can people give the names of the people quoted, the organisation they were working for at the time, the date (the year will do), the quote itself, and possibly URLs of sites containing the quotes and context.
I agree. I would really like to see citations wherever possible. Some of the quotes I am thinking of are just so outrageous that people will not believe they are true without knowing where they came from. And thanks to all those who have submitted so far – these are exactly the kind of quotes that are useful.
“A sustainable society will require fairness (equity) and justice locally and globally, both within this generation and between our generation and future generations.” – John Cook and Hadyn Washington (“Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand,” 2011).
“Preventing the collapse of human civilization requires nothing less than a wholesale transformation of dominant consumer culture.” – John Cook and Hadyn Washington (“Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand,” 2011).
“Just because there a professor of something denying climate change does not mean it is not true, it is just that the professor is in denial. This is why one must make use of the preponderance of evidence in science, the collective view.” – John Cook and Hadyn Washington (“Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand,” 2011).
“Monbiot (2006) notes that mostly these groups use ‘selection not invention’. They cherry-pick one contradictory study (and remember science operates by people questioning the accepted) and then promote it relentlessly.” – John Cook and Hadyn Washington (“Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand,” 2011).
Reading the quotes on C3 is rather scary. It seems that while we busy ourselves with exposing the nonsensical science trotted out by the warmista the political liberal/left elite have a totally different agenda. It’s not new to me or you either but we really are playing with our Tonka Toys while the big boys are taking over the sand pit.
Is there a list of politicians and the powerful who are against the idea of one world government and the the destruction of the democratic market economy? This fight needs new tactics.
“None dare call it treason”.
“If a meteorologist can’t speak to the fundamental science of climate change, then maybe the AMS shouldn’t give them a Seal of Approval.”
Heidi Cullen – Weather Bimbo
http://www.naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-06/ns_clh.html
“Summary: The past half-century has seen a dramatic increase in air temperature and the retreat of small fringing ice shelves around the Antarctic Peninsula. These changes will have little impact on the mass balance of Antarctic ice as a whole or on global sea level but do offer insight into the processes of ice shelf flow. No similar changes have been observed south of the Peninsula. Moreover, model simulations of the large Antarctic ice sheets predict an increase, not a decrease, in ice volume in future warming scenarios.”
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/08/23/environment.glaciers.reut/index.html
Some glaciers retreating, some advancing.
“It’s too early to say if glacier melting is accelerating worldwide” compared to U.N. forecasts in 2001, Jeffrey Kargel of the U.S. Geological Survey told a seminar on glaciers in Oslo. “In some areas it is, but the picture is mixed.”