Creating an AGW Quotation Collection

This seems like a good idea, and I’ll be happy to dedicate a page to it if readers help fill in.

WUWT reader Charles Harrison  uses the new submit story feature (see header menu) to ask this:

I would like to have a personal collection of AGW quotations to use in presentations, etc. Things like no more snow, the latest proposal to tattoo skeptics, the need to bring about the end of industrial civilization, etc.

I think this would be fun and useful and maybe Anthony could make a spot for it on the reference page. If nothing else, I would like to be sure I have correct attributions when I use these quotes.

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Al Gore was gored when Tipper Gore reached her tipping point.

Les Johnson

“I have cited many examples of recent climatic variability and repeated the warnings of several well-known climatologists that a cooling trend has set in-perhaps one akin to the Little Ice Age-and that climatic variability, which is the bane of reliable food production, can be expected to increase along with the cooling.” Stephen Schneider, The Genesis Strategy, (New York: Plenum Press, 1976), p. 90

Les Johnson

Cooling causes warming, much as warming causes cooling.
“But as Dr. Lamb pointed out calmly, such heat waves have accompanied every past global cooling and are to be expected. A high-pressure zone blocked warm air and chilled the North Atlantic. Now another high-pressure zone was blocking cold air and bringing extremes of heat into Europe. But such blocks were both symptoms of a cooling climate. Such cooling, he said, ‘means more volatile weather. It will be more hot, more cold, more wet and more dry, just as it was in the seventeenth century.’” Lowell Ponte, The Cooling, (Englewood Cliffs: Prentice-Hall, 1976), p. 40 “

Les Johnson

This laugher from David Suzuki, who apparently does not know physics or chemistry.
“It has been known since the last century that carbon-bearing compounds are transparent to sunlight but opaque to infra-red. In other words, sunlight passes through carbon-containing air whereas infra-red heat rays tend to be reflected by the carbon.
We are familiar with this effect in a car that has sat in the sun. The interior becomes hot because the carbon in the glass keeps the heat in.”

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/features/suzuki/story.html?id=4bee3fa9-9a10-46f1-9d6a-648a19710b30
Suzuki made these 6 elemental scientific errors, in two short paragraphs.
1. Carbon in glass? Maybe in the front windshield, sandwiched between 2 sheets of glass. As glass is mostly opaque to infrared (IR), its moot.
2. Carbon compounds may or may not trap heat. Polyethylene, for example, is transparent to IR.
3. Heat in the car is from modifying convection, not radiation. Decreased convection = increased radiation. Polyethylene vs glass in greenhouses shows no difference in heat retention, in spite of the different IR properties of the two barriers. The heat retention is from preventing convection.
4. Glass is mostly opaque to IR, not the supposed carbon in it. Suzuki assumes it’s not opaque, by needing the “carbon” in it to stop IR.
5. Carbon molecules may, or may not, allow visible light through. Again, it depends on the molecule.
6. Suzuki says carbon bearing compounds REFLECT IR. Some compounds allow IR through. The ones that don’t, ABSORB IR photons, then re-emit photons. They don’t reflect.

Latimer Alder

‘No Pressure’ 10:10 Campaign
‘It wasn’t my fault, I was home having a baby’ 10:10 Campaign Director
‘We know where you live’ Greenpeace Marketing Guy
‘We have to announce disasters or nobody will listen’ Professor Sir John Houghton
‘Nobody ever asked’ Phil Jones, author of 200+ ‘peer reviewed’ papers on how often he had shown his data and methods to others.
‘Voodoo Science’ Mr Pachauri

Gary Krause

Yes! A collection of the QoF (Quotes of Fools). Or WDIST (Why did I say that?) Or ER (elitism reigns).
Will a Chladni harmonic pattern reveal itself?

Les Johnson

From the MSM, circa 1970s:
Science magazine (Dec. 10, 1976) warned of “extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation.”
Science Digest (February 1973) reported that “the world’s climatologists are agreed” that we must “prepare for the next ice age.”
The Christian Science Monitor (“Warning: Earth’s Climate is Changing Faster Than Even Experts Expect,” Aug. 27, 1974) reported that glaciers “have begun to advance,” “growing seasons in England and Scandinavia are getting shorter” and “the North Atlantic is cooling down about as fast as an ocean can cool.”
Newsweek agreed (“The Cooling World,” April 28, 1975) that meteorologists “are almost unanimous” that catastrophic famines might result from the global cooling that the New York Times (Sept. 14, 1975) said “may mark the return to another ice age.”
The Times (May 21, 1975) also said “a major cooling of the climate is widely considered inevitable” now that it is “well established” that the Northern Hemisphere’s climate “has been getting cooler since about 1950.”

NC Skeptic

This is a great idea.

Athlete

Here are a few classics from the old days.
We need to get some broad based support,
to capture the public’s imagination…
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts…
Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest.”
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– Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports
“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue.
Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of
economic and environmental policy.”
</em
– Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation
“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world.”

– Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment
“The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations
on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models.”

– Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research
“The models are convenient fictions
that provide something very useful.”

– Dr David Frame,
climate modeler, Oxford University
“I believe it is appropriate to have an ‘over-representation’ of the facts
on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience.”

– Al Gore,
Climate Change activist
“It doesn’t matter what is true,
it only matters what people believe is true.”

– Paul Watson,
co-founder of Greenpeace
“The only way to get our society to truly change is to
frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”

– emeritus professor Daniel Botkin
“The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and
spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest
opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level.”

– Al Gore,
Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech
“We are on the verge of a global transformation.
All we need is the right major crisis…”

– David Rockefeller,
Club of Rome executive member
Source

Greg, Spokane WA

Just a couple for that page:
“Surely it’s time for climate-change deniers to have their opinions forcibly tattooed on their bodies.” link
(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole. link

Les Johnson

I suspect that my post on MSM at 08:12 is probably plagiarized. I usually have sources in my database, but this one does not.
If anyone knows where I lifted this, please let me know.

Les Johnson

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_house_hearings&docid=f:31362.wais
CHAIRMAN BARTON. I understand that. It looks like my time
is expired, so I want to ask one more question. Dr. North, do you
dispute the conclusions or the methodology of Dr. Wegman’s report?
DR. NORTH. No, we don’t. We don’t disagree with their
criticism. In fact, pretty much the same thing is said in our
report. But again, just because the claims are made, doesn’t
mean they are false.
CHAIRMAN BARTON. I understand that you can have the right
conclusion and that it not be–
DR. NORTH. It happens all the time in science.
CHAIRMAN BARTON. Yes, and not be substantiated by what you
purport to be the facts but have we established–we know that
Dr. Wegman has said that Dr. Mann’s methodology is incorrect. Do
you agree with that? I mean, it doesn’t mean Dr. Mann’s
conclusions are wrong, but we can stipulate now that we have–and if
you want to ask your statistician expert from North Carolina that
Dr. Mann’s methodology cannot be documented and cannot be verified
by independent review.
DR. NORTH. Do you mind if he speaks?
CHAIRMAN BARTON. Yes, if he would like to come to the
microphone.
MR. BLOOMFIELD. Thank you. Yes, Peter Bloomfield. Our
committee reviewed the methodology used by Dr. Mann and his coworkers
and we felt that some of the choices they made were inappropriate.
We had much the same misgivings about his work that was documented
at much greater length by Dr. Wegman.

Annabelle

James Hansen in Feb 2009:
The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death. Link to article

Les Johnson has a wealth of them. can he do a data dump?

Cris

Quotes without citations are worse than useless – they just lower the SNR.

Murray Grainger

“42% returns in the world’s next trillion $ market. Invest in carbon credits.”
Yeah! Right!
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/oIqX1-JFqEjS2R11Wi4k3A?feat=directlink

jaymam

An excellent idea.
Where possible, can people give the names of the people quoted, the organisation they were working for at the time, the date (the year will do), the quote itself, and possibly URLs of sites containing the quotes and context.

chip

I agree. I would really like to see citations wherever possible. Some of the quotes I am thinking of are just so outrageous that people will not believe they are true without knowing where they came from. And thanks to all those who have submitted so far – these are exactly the kind of quotes that are useful.

NikFromNYC

“A sustainabl­e society will require fairness (equity) and justice locally and globally, both within this generation and between our generation and future generations.” – John Cook and Hadyn Washington (“Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand,” 2011).
“Preventin­g the collapse of human civilizati­on requires nothing less than a wholesale transforma­tion of dominant consumer culture.” – John Cook and Hadyn Washington (“Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand,” 2011).
“Just because there a professor of something denying climate change does not mean it is not true, it is just that the professor is in denial. This is why one must make use of the prepondera­nce of evidence in science, the collective view.” – John Cook and Hadyn Washington (“Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand,” 2011).
“Monbiot (2006) notes that mostly these groups use ‘selection not invention’. They cherry-pick one contradictory study (and remember science operates by people questioning the accepted) and then promote it relentlessly.” – John Cook and Hadyn Washington (“Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand,” 2011).

Keith Battye

Reading the quotes on C3 is rather scary. It seems that while we busy ourselves with exposing the nonsensical science trotted out by the warmista the political liberal/left elite have a totally different agenda. It’s not new to me or you either but we really are playing with our Tonka Toys while the big boys are taking over the sand pit.
Is there a list of politicians and the powerful who are against the idea of one world government and the the destruction of the democratic market economy? This fight needs new tactics.
“None dare call it treason”.

Louis Hooffstetter

“If a meteorologist can’t speak to the fundamental science of climate change, then maybe the AMS shouldn’t give them a Seal of Approval.”
Heidi Cullen – Weather Bimbo

Les Johnson

http://www.naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-06/ns_clh.html
“Summary: The past half-century has seen a dramatic increase in air temperature and the retreat of small fringing ice shelves around the Antarctic Peninsula. These changes will have little impact on the mass balance of Antarctic ice as a whole or on global sea level but do offer insight into the processes of ice shelf flow. No similar changes have been observed south of the Peninsula. Moreover, model simulations of the large Antarctic ice sheets predict an increase, not a decrease, in ice volume in future warming scenarios.”

Les Johnson

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/08/23/environment.glaciers.reut/index.html
Some glaciers retreating, some advancing.
“It’s too early to say if glacier melting is accelerating worldwide” compared to U.N. forecasts in 2001, Jeffrey Kargel of the U.S. Geological Survey told a seminar on glaciers in Oslo. “In some areas it is, but the picture is mixed.”

Les Johnson

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5931596/
“These are natural things,”” Gray stressed. “”Greenland ice-core data show that North Atlantic temperatures swing back and forth on these 30- to 40-year time scales. The people who say humans are causing this hurricane activity — typically they’re the ones who don’t know anything about tropical cyclones.”

Les Johnson

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6816
On the subject of what happens after Kyoto … developing countries led by India, China and Brazil insisted on inserting a clause stating that the talks are “not intended to lead to a process for further commitments by developing countries”. Brazil’s delegation head Everton Vieira Vargas said: “We are not prepared to discuss reductions in emissions.”

Les Johnson

http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/science_policy_general/000318chris_landsea_leaves.html

From C. Landsea’s letter : “”All previous and current research in the area of hurricane variability has shown no reliable, long-term trend up in the frequency or intensity of tropical cyclones, either in the Atlantic or any other basin. The IPCC assessments in 1995 and 2001 also concluded that there was no global warming signal found in the hurricane record.
Moreover, the evidence is quite strong and supported by the most recent credible studies that any impact in the future from global warming upon hurricane will likely be quite small. The latest results from the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (Knutson and Tuleya, Journal of Climate, 2004) suggest that by around 2080, hurricanes may have winds and rainfall about 5% more intense than today. It has been proposed that even this tiny change may be an exaggeration as to what may happen by the end of the 21st Century (Michaels, Knappenberger, and Landsea, Journal of Climate, 2005, submitted).

Les Johnson

Source Unknown, needs to be checked:

This all lead Dr. James Hansen, a prominent greenhouse scientist with NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, to write in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
“The forcings that drive long-term climate change are not known with an accuracy sufficient to define future climate changes.”

Les Johnson

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=d0235a70-33f1-45b3-803b-829b1b3542ef&p=2
Hurricane specialist Tad Murty, former senior research scientist Department of Fisheries and Oceans and now adjust professor of Earth sciences at U of O, points out, “In all other six ocean basins where tropical cyclones occur, there is either a flat or a downward trend.” Murty lists 1900, 1926 and 1935 as the years in which the most intense hurricanes were recorded in the United States. In fact, Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center in Miami, has stated that global warming has nothing to do with the recent increase in hurricane frequency in the North Atlantic. Murty concludes, “The feeling among many meteorologists is that it has to do with the North Atlantic oscillation, which is now in the positive phase and will continue for another decade or so.”

jorgekafkazar

Revolting stuff, but somebody has to do it.

NikFromNYC

In 1989 cold fusion was announced to the world. Whoopie!, right. Not so fast, kids: the Los Angelos Times carried an article titled “Fear of Fusion: What If It Works?” (April 19, 1989, A5), now at http://articles.latimes.com/1989-04-19/news/vw-2042_1_fusion-uc-berkeley-inexhaustible:
“It’s like giving a machine gun to an idiot child.” – Paul Ehrlich
“Clean-burning, non-polluting, hydrogen-using bulldozers still could knock down trees or build housing developments on farmland.” – Paul Ciotti
“”It gives some people the false hope that there are no limits to growth and no environmental price to be paid by having unlimited sources of energy.” – Jeremy Rifkin
“Many people assume that cheaper, more abundant energy will mean that mankind is better off, but there is no evidence for that.” – Laura Nader

RB

That intellectual collosus Gordon Brown stating that those who don’t follow the “consensus” were “Flat Earthers”.
Has always made me laugh like a drain, that one.

tolo4zero

And don’t forget Heidi Cullen’s comment…
“And the urgency is that the longer we wait, the further down the pipeline climate travels and works its way into weather, and once it’s in the weather, it’s there for good.”

LeeHarvey

I nominate this gem from Dr. Jimmy (or is it Mr. Jim?):
“Well, there will be more traffic… The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change… There will be more police cars… you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.”

tolo4zero
Les Johnson

Hansen predicted in the late 80s, that :
“The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change.” Then he said, “There will be more police cars.” Why? “Well, you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.”
http://dir.salon.com/books/int/2001/10/23/weather/index.html

Les Johnson

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SJ&s_site=mercurynews&p_multi=SJ&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB7304FF9A84273&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
San Jose Mercury News (CA) – June 30, 1989
“A senior environmental official at the United Nations, Noel Brown, says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000……… He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect… “

Les Johnson

For his part, Pielke returned to Colorado and set up a random number generator to rank RMS’ 39 climate models from 2008 — akin to blindly throwing darts to choose the best model.
The outcome nearly matched the scientists’ consensus.
“So with apologies to my colleagues,” he wrote in his science policy blog, “we seem to be of no greater intellectual value to RMS than a bunch of monkeys.”

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2010/11/82-billion-prediction.html

Les Johnson

From the estimable Flannery, predictor of never ending drought, or, as he calls it, the new climate.
But by far the most dangerous trend is the decline in the flow of Australian rivers: it has fallen by around 70 per cent in recent decades, so dams no longer fill even when it does rain. Growing evidence suggests that hotter soils, caused directly by global warming, have increased evaporation and transpiration and that the change is permanent. I believe the first thing Australians need to do is to stop worrying about “the drought” – which is transient – and start talking about the new climate.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19426084.400-editorial-australia–not-such-a-lucky-country.html
http://www.science.org.au/nova/newscientist/105ns_001.htm

Les Johnson

Unskilled and unaware of it: How difficulties in recognizing one’s own incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments.
Kruger, Justin; Dunning, David
Current issue feed
Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, Vol 77(6), Dec 1999, 1121-1134.
People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it. Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of the participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2010 APA, all rights reserved)
http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0022-3514.77.6.1121

Les Johnson

A reduction in Antarctic sea ice volume of about 25-45% is predicted for a doubling of CO2, with sea ice retreating fairly evenly around the continent (Gordon and O’Farrell, 1997). This CSIRO model assumes a 1% yr-1 compounding increase of CO2, corresponding to global warming of 2.1°C. Using a similar but modified model that has a higher albedo feedback and predicted global warming of 2.8°C, Wu et al. (1999) calculate a reduction in mean sea-ice extent of nearly two degrees of latitude, corresponding to 45% of sea-ice volume. These estimates do not represent the equilibrium state, and sea ice can be expected to shrink further, even if GHGs are stabilized.
Climate Change 2001
Working Group 2
16.2.4.2. Sea Ice in the Southern Ocean
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg2/606.htm#16242
The Antarctic wintertime ice extent increased…”at a rate of 0.6% per decade” from 1979 to 2006, says Donald Cavalieri, a senior research scientist at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland.
At 19 million square kilometres in Aug 2008, it is still slightly below records from the early 1970s of 20 million, he says. Since 1979 however, the average year-round ice extent has risen too.

Les Johnson

From Dr Emanuel (who published a paper in 2005 suggesting increased storms due to GW):”The models are telling us something quite different from what nature seems to be telling us. There are various interpretations possible, e.g. a) The big increase in hurricane power over the past 30 years or so may not have much to do with global warming, or b) The models are simply not faithfully reproducing what nature is doing. Hard to know which to believe yet.”
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/12/hurricane-expert-reassesses-climate-link/

Les Johnson

Dion, as environment minister, called the oil sands a “a tremendous blessing for Canada.”
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/08/f-dion-bio.html

Coldish

“Pharoah and Joseph had
7 YEARS
So have we
2016”
Sir John Houghton, co-chair of IPCC WG1, 2001.
Source: http://www.jri.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/JRI_18_Joseph.pdf (2009)

Les Johnson

The dangers of modeling. This group, tongue in cheek, modeled Bigfoot’s future habitats in a warming climate. Basically, GIGO.
“We in the modelling community need to be a bit more humble about how precise our predictions are, and acknowledge the errors of estimates, which are huge, more than we do,” says Rahbek. “It’s just damn hard to predict the future.”
Unlikely as it sounds, Lozier’s paper scooped work by another group. “We were trying to do the same thing for the yeti,” says ecologist Carsten Rahbek of the University of Copenhagen. Like Lozier, he wanted to show that models could turn dubious data into plausible-looking predictions.
References
1. Lozier, J. D., Aniello, P. & Hickerson, M. J. J. Biogeogr. published online. doi:10.1111/j.1365-2699.2009.02152.x (2009).
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090707/full/news.2009.641.html?s=news_rss

Les Johnson

Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum was caused by something other than CO2.
The conclusion, Dickens said, is that something other than carbon dioxide caused much of the heating during the PETM.
“In a nutshell, theoretical models cannot explain what we observe in the geological record,” said oceanographer Gerald Dickens, a co-author of the study and professor of Earth science at Rice University. “There appears to be something fundamentally wrong with the way temperature and carbon are linked in climate models.”

http://www.media.rice.edu/media/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=12794&SnID=2075327496

Les Johnson


“Hypocrisy has a name, or rather two: Quebec and Ontario,” wrote columnist Lysiane Gagnon on Thursday in Montreal’s La Presse.
“In short, it’s thanks to the oilsands that allows Quebec to live beyond its means and offer luxury services such as $7(-a-day) daycares and universities that are practically free.”
Historically, Alberta has always paid more per capita into the equalization program than any other province, Mansell said.
On the flip side, Quebec has been the largest net beneficiary of the program, he added.
In 2006, Mansell said he calculated that Quebec was a net beneficiary of $217.1 billion (in 2004 dollars) from the equalization program between 1961 to 2002. That has represented $767 per year for every Quebec man, woman and child, he said.
Over the same period, Alberta paid out $243.6 billion and Ontario paid $314.5 billion, he said. That has cost $2,510 for every Alberta resident every year, and $758 for every Ontarian.
He said that Alberta’s oil and gas industry has also created spin-off jobs in manufacturing and engineering in Quebec and Ontario.
“The comparative advantage, which we clearly have in Canada, is resources,” Mansell said.
“Whether we like it or not, that has been the driving force in our economy.”
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20091217/Oil_Cash_091217/20091217?hub=QPeriod

Colin in Mission BC

I’m paraphrasing from memory, but in an interview a few months ago, Michael Mann said, “I never intended for the hockey stick graph to become the defining icon of global warming science.”
Or something to that effect.

Marlow Metcalf

List of 800 links of things caused by global warming.
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm