Carbon Trading: on in Australia, off in New Hampshire

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Australia appears to be ready to run down the Carbon Rabbit Hole, from the WUWT Tips and Notes page

Richard says:

A PRICE is set to be put on carbon from July 1, 2012, under a deal announced today by Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

Ms Gillard has announced a two-stage process for pricing carbon, which will start with a fixed price period for three to five years and then shift to an emissions trading scheme with a “flexible” price linked to international carbon markets.

Ms Gillard said that the new deal would be the “cheapest and fairest way to cut pollution and build clean energy economies”.

She said she didn’t believe Australia needed to lead the world on the matter, but added it couldn’t be left behind.

Ms Gillard said she anticipated that the Opposition would “launch a fear campaign” on a “great big new tax”, but said she would “not take a step back” on the issue.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/pm-to-set-price-on-carbon-from-july-1-2012/story-e6freon6-1226011295526

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pat says:

The quickest “consensus” evah! and all in the name of “climate change” with never a mention of AGW:

24 Feb: ABC: Gillard to lay out carbon price policy

In the aftermath of last year’s election, Ms Gillard established a multi-party climate change committee to build consensus on what form a carbon price should take.

The ABC understands the committee has now come to an agreement and Ms Gillard will reveal more details at 11:30am AEDT…

The Government abandoned its previous emissions trading scheme last year after it failed to get it through the Senate.

This backdown is widely believed to have led to former prime minister Kevin Rudd’s slide in the polls, and his eventual sacking…

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/24/3147523.htm?section=justin

fyi, the former PM’s sacking is not “widely believed” to have been sacked over his failure to get an ETS through; in fact, the Opposition leader at the time, Malcolm Turnbull, lost his job for backing such a scheme. also note no member of the main Opposition party sat on the “multi-party” committee, and the Opposition is leading the incumbent party in the polls at present. our present Prime Minister promised there would be no carbon price if she was voted in and changed her mind the second she got in. plus the following is from just six days ago!

18 Feb: ABC: Carbon price deal is months away

The Government’s multi-party climate change committee, which is chaired by Prime Minister Julia Gillard and includes the Greens and independent MPs, held its fourth meeting in Canberra this morning.

Ms Gillard and Climate Change Minister Greg Combet were widely expected to unveil their preferred model after the meeting.

But the committee says no final decisions have been taken on how to price carbon or what assistance will be offered to industry and taxpayers.

It says the final design of the carbon price will only be decided when all the elements of the policy can be considered together, and that should happen in the coming months.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/18/3142797.htm?section=justin

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Ric Werme writes about New Hampshire:

The New Hampshire House has passed a bill that would have NH withdraw from the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, RGGI. Next step is Senate (maybe a stop at a Finance committee, and then the Governor. He may well veto it, but the house passed it 246 to 104. The senate will like pass it by a veto proof majority too.

All in all, looking promising!

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/23/new-hampshire-smacks-down-cap-and-trade/

RGGI was supposed to segue directly into a national cap-and-trade system, and was designed by Lisa Jackson, now EPA administrator, when she ran New Jersey’s Department of Environmental Protection. The pitch to industry was that they could get a head start on buying cap-and-trade permits for two or three dollars each, and make a fortune when a federal bill passed with permit prices ten times that or higher. Now that a federal bill is dead, RGGI is a lose-lose for everyone except the politicians who get to spend the money and the special interests receiving subsidies.

The overwhelming veto-proof, bipartisan vote today means that New Hampshire is now on a path to doing something that looked impossible just a couple years ago — repeal a cap-and-trade program. In the process, it could deal the death blow to cap and trade both regionally and nationally.

While RGGI can survive the loss of a small state like New Hampshire, it could probably not survive the loss of a large state like New Jersey, where a repeal effort is picking up steam fast, with at least 37 co-sponsors.

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Brian H
February 24, 2011 12:12 am

The contrast between new R. governors doing what they promised, and Gillard, are beyond stark. A leftist green promise-keeper is apparently an oxymoron.

February 24, 2011 12:12 am

Do Australians: always arrive at the party ready to start partying after it is over?
Which century are they living in?
The 20th century of climate scare or the 21st century of climate realism?
there’ll be a politician who’ll regret to recall The polkas they danced at Euabalong Ball

Brian H
February 24, 2011 12:14 am

P.S. It won’t last. The consequences will be so severe for Australia it will have to back off. Again,
Stein’s Law: If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.

Layne Blanchard
February 24, 2011 12:20 am

The world is filled with nicely dressed idiots, masquerading as leaders.

Stephan
February 24, 2011 12:25 am

No link to Mann’s page at Penn what is happening
http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm

Michael in Sydney
February 24, 2011 12:30 am

This is what happens when you let the greens punch well above their weight. The government is so tenuous that it gets pulled and pushed every which way and cannot show leadership.
Bad government makes bad decisions. Well done Labour and green voters I hope you enjoy paying your electricity bills.

Mick
February 24, 2011 12:37 am

If the Socialist/Green alliance so much concern about energy consumption way they not put a limit to appliances/events?
-maximum TV size/limit-per-day 2h
-maximum car(engine) size
-allowance for air travel
-temperature gradient for the “commoners” house
-big sport events/person/country/society
-…
Way tax energy, if they want to go back to the cave? Labor/Green could order society to forget progress, and go back to hunter-gatherer. Nobel-savage…
Energy cost already high, if they (Political Left) want to tax it, then they after the money, not the philosophical consequences.

kbray in california
February 24, 2011 12:37 am

I notice that ring Ms.Gillard is wearing on her middle finger.
It only needs a little graphite…. “The Carbon Screw”
B-endover, Australia.

Stephan
February 24, 2011 12:37 am

Australia tertiary education sector has been performing very poorly for years now (used to be one of the best).. this is the result… you have a large percentage of the population with lower levels of maths, science etc and cannot assess data properly. My view for what its worth…

Stephan
February 24, 2011 12:45 am

Ill take my last statement back now.. apprently ONLY 30% of Australians believe in AGW
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/44426.html
what a farce this cannot possibly get through

Andy G
February 24, 2011 12:48 am

Much as I think Abbott is a total ……..
And I have been a Laobor voter up until now.
Next election, I vote Libs IF they promise to repeal this idiocy.

Les Francis
February 24, 2011 12:49 am

This tax has nothing to do with the environment.
Gillard’s Labor government is running the economy into the ground.
Storm clouds and thunder are descending on the economy.
Australia is in the throws of two national disasters – well really one as the cause of both is related. The Queensland cyclones turned into Victorian Floods. There are Billions of dollars required to rebuild Government infrastructure damaged by floods and cyclones.
The Government has foolishly committed itself to build an Australia white white elephant broadband network at the cost of between 40 – 50 billion dollars.
In just a couple of years Gillard and her predecessor KRudd have quickly taken a large Federal government surplus into a huge deficit.
The bright outlook is that Gillard will allegedly be introducing this tax as of July 2012. There is more than 70% chance her and her government will not last out this year. She certainly won’t make it to June next year.

David Palmer
February 24, 2011 12:58 am

Don’t get too excited over Gillard’s announcement – none of the details decided.
It will all fall apart as Roger Pielke’ Jr’s iron law of climate change = revolt by enraged citizenry.

Ian
February 24, 2011 1:13 am

Relatively few Australians read blogs such as this and rely for their information on the Australian Broadcasting Commission which is very very much in the alarmist and camp as is the Fairfax press, publishers of the major papers the Sydney Morning Herald and The Melbourne Age. There is little critical comment in the MSM on alarmist views and a rational discussion of the science of climate change has not been held in Australia. I don’t think most Australians are aware that the temperature readings from surface stations, which are the bedrock data, are massaged every now and then. It is very unclear to me and possibly to others what the true temperature reading are. Prime Minister Gillard has definitely gone back on her promise of August 6th 2010, prior to the elections, that her government would not put a price on carbon. Whether and how Australians will react to this volte face remains to be seen

Kev-in-Uk
February 24, 2011 1:18 am

So that gives the Aussies a year to get themselves moving actively against the carbon pricing. I hope they manage to avoid it, or else their wonderful country will be going down the pan.

kbray in california
February 24, 2011 1:19 am

Some of Ms. Gillard’s (et al) statements:
“I’m determined to price carbon,” she told reporters.
“History teaches us that the countries and the economies who prosper at times of historic change are those who get in and shape and manage the changes.”
“The time is right and the time is now.”
Putting a price on carbon was the most efficient way to cut carbon pollution, she said.
“If you put a price on something – people will use less of it.”
“The hard-wired mechanism here is to move to cap and trade,” Ms Gillard said.
Ms Gillard said the carbon price set by the government would be fair.
“Every cent raised from pricing carbon will go to assisting households, helping businesses manage the transition and funding climate change programs,” she said.
“And the government will always support those who are in need of assistance with cost of living pressures.”
Carbon pollution threatened Australia’s future prosperity, Ms Gillard said.
“We need to ensure that Australia has a low-pollution economy for the future – we can’t afford to be left behind.”
Ms Gillard said she wouldn’t back down…
“(But) can I make it very clear that in the debate that will ensue I am not intending to take a backwards step.
“We are a confident nation and we are good at change. We’ve proved it in the past.”
Ms Gillard said more work needed to be done on the details of industry assistance and household compensation.
Matters of compensation would be worked through with the multi-party climate change committee.
“What we want to do is compensate those people who are suffering the outcome of long term carbon pollution of the atmosphere.”
Mr Windsor (another govt. leader) said he believed something should be done about climate change globally and indicated his vote would be influenced by what action was being taken outside Australia.
But first the government would examine the “international environment”.
Ms Gillard promised during the 2010 election that she would not introduce a carbon tax. Asked whether the ETS was a breach of that promise, Ms Gillard said: “This is the parliament the Australian people voted for – you are seeing it on display in front of you. “And we have to get on with the job of pricing carbon.”
Ms Gillard said she intended to win the political debate on climate change.
“The reality is, however this was designed, Tony Abbott would be out there trying to raise fear about it,” she said.
“The minute I say the two words ‘climate change’ he would say ‘great big new tax on everything’.”
The government wants a five per cent reduction in carbon emissions but while Senator Brown maintained the Greens preferred a cut of 25 per cent, he didn’t rule out the possibility of a compromise.
“There is no doubt all members on this committee have this nation’s future wellbeing at the forefront in trying to decide on those very hard issues,” he said.
Mr Combet said the future shape of the scheme could depend on what happens at international negotiations.
The review of the scheme 12 months before the start of an ETS with a flexible price would consider issues such as whether Australia had entered into binding international agreements on emissions.
“At that point in time we would set the (emissions) target to be achieved by 2020,” he said.
ME THINKS FOLLY IS IN MOTION DOWN UNDER.

February 24, 2011 1:19 am

I currently by 25% renewable energy. If they succeed in bringing this in, I shall stop. My choice, to buy renewable, has some chance of being used to do so. Their enforced model will only benefit the Gores of the world.
I shall also make it my mission to avoid paying the same amount of income tax as this will be costing me, even if that costs me the same amount in accountancy fees. Far better to have wealthier accountants than wealthier Gores.

SideShowBob
February 24, 2011 1:21 am

Ultimately a fuel tax is a good thing I think in this day and age… it’ll help persuade people to choose more efficient products. Look at the EU and the huge tax they pay for petrol an as example, their cars as a result are smaller and more efficient, they’re really well placed for post peak oil prices. America on the other hand ! … boy are you guys in trouble, with your huge SVUs and houses, oil has already creeped back to around $100 dollars. You guys are going to be paying through the nose for oil, you’re already paying huge amounts for oil imports.
Check out this story http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7465
What do you think is going to happen when Sudi demand closes in on their total production as it’s been closing at an ever greater rate? Yes that’s right ultimately their exports will drop to zero and they’ll horde oil for future generations. Hate to see what will happen to the American economy when oil hits $200 a barrel – but i dare say it’s not going to be pretty

Baa Humbug
February 24, 2011 1:22 am

Don’t panic yet about Gillards tax folks.
This woman IS for turning, as she has amply demonstrated thus far.
The tax was announced now because of the Christchurch earthquake dominating the news cycle.
The opposition will start quoting how much extra goods and services will cost, the public op polls will go against Gillard and she will turn.
It’s a cycle, just like the climate.

February 24, 2011 1:32 am

Stephan:
Mann’s home page is at http://www.met.psu.edu/people/mem45
Nothing has happened.

mondo
February 24, 2011 2:05 am

This woman actually said today in justifying the imposition of a carbon tax: “I believe Australians are persuaded of the science of climate change. The science is in and they want to see us get on with it.”
Where have they been these characters? How can we demonstrate that the sources that they are relying on are dissembling?
Source of quote: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8216174/people-voted-for-action-on-climate-says-pm

sHx
February 24, 2011 2:08 am

It should be mentioned that the Carbon Tax is being introduced not out of concern for ‘carbon pollution’, which is the government’s take, but 1- to increase revenue for the state and 2- to appease the Greens, who hold the balance of power in both houses of parliament.
As a political measure it became absolutely necessary ‘to do something’ after the previous PM, Kevin Rudd, turned the CAGW issue into a moral crusade. Rudd thought that an Emission Trading Scheme (ETS) would drive a wedge within the rival political party, the conservative Liberal/National coalition. He was proven right, and the coalition almost tore itself apart.
Then, climategate happened, and within days the Liberals changed their leader, replacing a CAGW cultist with a skeptic by a smallest of margins. And when Copenhagen failed, the Labor government found itself along side the Greens pursuing a climate crusade that was becoming increasingly unpopular in opinion polls.
In March, 2010, Kevin Rudd, still the Prime Minister, was forced to drop the ETS by his own party. This meant that not only Labor alienated many people (including me) with the ETS six months earlier, but they also began to lose what little support they got from green-minded voters with that moral crusade. As a result the Labor dumped Kevin Rudd, almost lost the following elections while both the Greens and the conservative coalition made huge gains. At the moment, Labor clings to power with the help of a few Green and independent MPs concerned about CAGW.
To re-state it briefly, as far as Labor is concerned, the issue of climate change is loser among the voting public, but a winner within the current make up of the parliament.
Incidentally, although I am a climate skeptic, I do support the carbon tax proposed by the government. I do so for political reasons. I admire Australian social system, and I do support a progressive taxation system that supports a welfare state. I believe the downtrodden ought to be looked after by the government instead of being abandoned to the goodwill of the super rich people, or the super-rich churches that demand a piece of your soul in exchange for a bowl soup. Yes, I’d rather live in Australia than in America.

February 24, 2011 2:13 am

Layne Blanchard says:
February 24, 2011 at 12:20 am
“The world is filled with nicely dressed idiots, masquerading as leaders.”
They aren’t that smart, Layne.
I hit mute on my TV controller every time I see Dillard. Same with the TV weather girl who is masquerading as a State premier here in Queensland.

TimiBoy
February 24, 2011 2:14 am

I am deeply embarrassed to be an Australian.

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