Has the BBC broken faith with the General Public?

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Guest Post by Barry Woods

It is my opinion that the BBC in broadcasting the BBC 2 Horizon program ‘Science Under Attack’ did not treat the general public in the UK and at least one of the interviewees with the ‘good faith’ that they should be able to expect from the BBC. After the program aired, I contacted James Delingpole, who was one of the sceptics portrayed in the program and he told me how he was approached to participate by the BBC.

“I am making a film for BBC’s Horizon on public trust in science and I was hoping you may be able to help.”  – BBC Producer

However, the programs underlying message to the general public came across to me as that climate science was under attack by climate sceptics or deniers of science who are on a par with those that deny Aids, vaccines and extreme anti GM environmentalist activists.

Yet, in discussion with a NASA scientist, the presenter Professor Paul Nurse apparently makes a gross factual error informing the viewer that annual man-made CO2 emissions are;

seven times

that of the total natural annual emissions. This raised a number of eyebrows and is now subject to some discussion amongst the blogs, including at Bishop Hill.

That such an apparent major error was presented to the public as fact, in the BBC’s flagship science program, should I think raise questions with respect to the handling of all the issues within the program.

Paul Nurse: The scientific consensus is, of course, that the changes we are seeing are caused by emissions of carbon into the atmosphere. But given the complexity of the climate system, how can we be sure that humans are to blame for this?

Bob Bindschadler[NASA]: We know how much fossil fuel we take out of the ground. We know how much we sell. We know how much we burn. And that is a huge amount of carbon dioxide. It’s about seven gigatons per year right now.

Paul Nurse: And is that enough to explain…?

Bob Bindschadler: Natural causes only can produce – yes, there are volcanoes popping off and things like that, and coming out of the ocean, only about one gigaton per year. So there’s just no question that human activity is producing a massively large proportion of the carbon dioxide.

Paul Nurse: So seven times more.

Bob Bindschadler: That’s right.

Paul Nurse: I mean, why do some people say that isn’t the case?

(from a transcript of BBC Horizon – Science Under Attack)

Following the program I contacted James Delingpole and he agreed to a telephone interview about the program. We had a few telephone conversations about the program  and he sent me a copy of the email from a BBC producer at the  BBC inviting James to participate in the program. (my bold)

“The tone of the film is very questioning but with no preconceptions.  On the issue of who is to blame no-one will be left unscathed, whether that is science sceptics, the media or most particularly scientists themselves.   Sir Paul is very aware of the culpability of scientists and that will come across in the film. They will not be portrayed as white coated magicians who should be left to work in their ivory towers – their failings will be dealt with in detail.”

–  BBC Producer to James Delingpole

The contents of that invitation put the presentation of his interview in the program into a different context. In my opinion it demonstrates bad faith on the part of the BBC in failing to present to the public the details of the sceptical argument about climategate and ‘climate science’ yet allowing those involved to present their defence without serious challenge.

The premise will be  ‘This is a  turbulent time for science.  After the debacles of Climate-gate, GM products and MMR, I want to explore why science isn’t trusted and whether we as scientists are largely to blame’. By looking at these different areas he will dig into the difficult questions of how to deal with uncertainty in science, the communication of this uncertainty, and the difficulties when science meets policy and the media.

– BBC Producer to James Delingpole

The BBC is the UK’s national public service broadcaster (funded by a per household TV Licence) and by its Charter it has a duty to its audience to be fair and balanced.

The Horizon program is the BBC’s flagship science program, so when it uses the weight of the BBC’s authority alongside, Sir Professor Paul Nurse, a Nobel Laureate and the new President of the Royal Society it has a clear responsibilty to the public to fairly present the detail of the sceptical views  climate science and the issues around the climategate emails.

My interview with James Delingpole

James actually received a lot of criticism from sceptics for somehow ‘failing’ to get across the sceptical arguments in this program. When I spoke to him his frustration was obvious as he said he had spent three hours talking to Professor Paul Nurse about the detail of the climategate emails, the failings of the inquiries and the many and varied sceptical arguments with respect to man-made climate change.

James said he had explained in detail why sceptics describe the inquiries as whitewashes, this included the vested interest of the participants, the fact that no one actually asked Jones about whether he had deleted emails, the failure of scientists to provide data to critics and journals (as scientific process would expect) the importance of hiding the decline in proxies, the fact that scientist had become advocates for policy.

Yet in the program all that comes across is a fade to voice over where Professor Paul Nurse states that James believes the inquiries were whitewashes. Why not allow the public to consider some of these reason from James Delingpole

Why did Professor Phil Jones say to delete emails?  Why did he ask colleagues to delete emails relating to the IPCC reports. And most importantly of all. Why did Phil Jones feel the need to ask colleagues to delete these emails?

Those question surely support James Delingpole’s view that the peer-review process and the IPCC processes had been corrupted.

Another question that has been often asked was, why did James trust the BBC?

To put the interview into context the BBC had received a number of complaints regarding both the BBC’s coverage of Copenhagen and the coverage of the climategate emails. The BBC had seemed genuinely surprised by this response from the public and had even launched a review of how science in the media handled subjects like climate science, vaccines and GM.

The invitation that James received from the BBC to be involved in this program appeared to be very much in this context.

“As an influential blogger on climate change, among other subjects, I’d really like Paul to meet you and chat to you about your views – how you see your role and that more generally the influence of the internet in changing the debate; your views on climate-gate and how that was handled by the media; the failings or otherwise of scientists in communicating the science.”

– BBC Producer to James Delingpole

James said that he had looked forward to this opportunity to discuss and present sceptical issues in the apparent spirit of the invitation.

The ‘trick’ and ‘hide the decline’

The BBC described the ‘trick’ and ‘hide the decline’ as at the crux of the climategate email scandal. Why would they not at least allow a sceptic to voice to the public the  sceptical viewpoint on this issue.

Paul Nurse (voice over): Tree rings have been shown to be a good way of measuring ancient temperatures, and they’ve mostly matched instrumental measurements since the advent of thermometers.

However, after about 1960, some tree ring data stopped fitting real temperatures so well. The cause of this isn’t known. When Dr Jones was asked by the World Meteorological Organisation to prepare a graph of how temperatures had changed over the last 1000 years, he had to decide how to deal with this divergence between the datasets.

He decided to use the direct measurements of temperature change from thermometers and instruments rather than indirect data from the tree rings, to cover the period from 1960. It was this data splicing, and his e-mail referring to it as a “trick” that formed the crux of Climategate.

Phil Jones: The Organisation wanted a relatively simple diagram for their particular audience. What we started off doing was the three series, with the instrumental temperatures on the end, clearly differentiated from the tree ring series. But they thought that was too complicated to explain to their audience.

So what we did was just to add them on, and bring them up to the present. And as I say, this was a World Meteorological Organisation statement. It had hardly any coverage in the media at the time, and had virtually no coverage for the next ten years, until the release of the e-mails. (transcript)

The program was supposed to deal with the failure of the presentation of uncertainties regarding climate science, the criticism is that climate science has presented to politicians a narrative of ‘unprecedented’ temperature rise which ‘must be due to humans.

Yet the ‘complication’ that is not explained clearly to the public or politicians, is that temperature proxies declined when modern thermometers showed warming.  Even the simplest of politicians could grasp that if the proxies decline when thermometers show warming it reduces their credibility of recording historic temperatures.

Yet somehow it is deemed to complicated, this is a prime example of scientist becoming advocates for policy and presenting the issues as certain when they are not.  Remember this was the described purpose of the program.

An interesting response to ‘hide the decline’

James Delingpole wrote in his blog about how the mathematician Simon Singh, the best selling author of ‘Fermat’s Last Theorum’ had tweeted:

Sorry, but @JamesDelingpole deserves mockery ‘cos he has the arrogance to think he knows more of science than a Nobel Laureate

Simon Singh wrote a rebuttal in his own blog, yet in the the comments there arose an excellent rebuttal to the programs description of ‘hide the decline’ from a respected scientist Paul Dennis who is also at the University of East Anglia

Paul Dennis said…

Before I add anything further to the debate I should say that I’m an Isotope Geochemist and Head of the Stable Isotope and Noble Gas Laboratories in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia. I’ve also contributed to and published a large number of peer-reviewed scientific papers in the general field of palaoclimate studies.

I don’t say this because I think my views should carry any more weight. They shouldn’t. But they show there is a range and diversity of opinion amongst professionals working in this area.

What concerns me about the hide the decline debate is that the divergence between tree ring width and temperature in the latter half of the 20th century points to possibly both a strong non-linear response and threshold type behaviour.

There is nothing particularly different about conditions in the latter half of the 20th century and earlier periods. The temperatures, certainly in the 1960’s, are similar, nutrient inputs may have changed a little and water stress may have been different in some regions but not of a level that has not ben recorded in the past.

Given this and the observed divergence one can’t have any confidence that such a response has not occurred in the past and before the modern instrumental record starting in about 1880.

Paul Dennis was thought by many newspapers to be the potential ‘whistleblower’ of the climategate emails. He commented a few times at Simon Singh’s blog and his identity was confirmed at Bishop Hill

Thus it could be said that on this particular issue at least and that the ‘science is not settled’ even at UEA!

The Conduct of the BBC

I last spoke to James Delingpole after the BBC4 program Meet The Sceptics had been aired that focussed on Christopher Monckton.  James had also been involved in the making of this program and had got to know the makers well and trusted them. (from his blog)

“The BBC? Not bloody likely. You’ve come to stitch us up, haven’t you?” I said.

“Not at all,” said Murray. “Look, there’s something you need to realise. I’m an independent filmmaker, I have no big budget for this, so I’m dependent on my work being original and interesting. The very last thing the BBC wants to commission is another hatchet job on sceptics. How boring and predictable would that be?”

Over the next few months I came to like and trust Murray. He was there filming Lord Lawson, Lord Monckton, Lord Leach and me when we debated at the Oxford Union. And he was there to capture our joy and surprise when we won – and to hang out drinking with us, afterwards, like he was our mate.

By this stage, we’d all come to accept that Murray was genuinely interested in presenting our case sympathetically. In fact, I must admit, I was really looking forward to seeing the finished product. “God this is going to be fantastic!” I thought. “At long bloody last, the BBC is going to do the right thing – and at feature length too.”  – from James Delingpole’s blog

When I last spoke to him, James was genuinely angry and felt badly let down by the BBC. He had taken part in the making of both programmes in good faith, yet the BBC had basically said to the world in his view, that climate sceptics are deniers and an organised group of these deniers are responsible for stalling political action to ‘save the planet. It appears to me that this was the program makers intention all along.

I asked James if he felt concerned for his safety now, and he said absolutely that was a concern, following how sceptics were depicted in these programmes.

Prior to this program being aired apparently both people at the BBC and Paul Nurse spoke to the Guardian with comments that gives every reason for me to think the program was intended all along to present sceptics in a bad light.

I believe that in this type of BBC science program the public has an expectation that the BBC would present fairly both pro and sceptical arguments on the issues in enough detail to allow the public to take own view. If a respected main stream journalist can be treated like this by the BBC, what hope and expectations of being treated fairly should a member of the public or a blogger (like me – RealClimategate) have of the BBC?

The issue I have with this program and the BBC is not who is right or wrong in climate science, but the failure of the BBC to fairly present in the program the sceptical arguments in detail (which it must be fully aware of) with respect to climate science, the climategate emails and the inquiries to the general public.

I would like to leave the final words to James Delingpole that he said to me (and ones that he left in the comments at Bishop Hill) about why he participated in BBC Horizon  – Science Under Attack program  and trusted the producers of the  BBC 4 program, Storyville – Meet the Sceptics.

Why shouldn’t one have faith in one’s national broadcaster to tell the other side of the story? – James Delingpole

Links/sources:

BBC Horizon -Science Under Attack – transcript

BBC Horizon – Science Under Attack – video (youtube)

The BBC email invitation to James Delingpole (my bold)

From: “Emma” [email address removed by author]

Date: 3 August 2010 19:25:08 GMT+01:00

To:  James [email address removed by author]

Subject: BBC Horizon

Dear James

I hope you don’t mind me contacting you on this email address but I was given it by Louise Gray at the Telegraph.

I am making a film for BBC’s Horizon on public trust in science and I was hoping you may be able to help.

The film will explore our current relationship with science, whether we as a society do and should trust it.  It is being presented by the nominated President of the Royal Society, Sir Paul Nurse.  If he is voted in later this summer he will be taking over the at RS at the end of the year at around the same time the film will be transmitted so it would very much launch his presidency.  The premise will be  ‘This is a  turbulent time for science.  After the debacles of Climate-gate, GM products and MMR, I want to explore why science isn’t trusted and whether we as scientists are largely to blame’. By looking at these different areas he will dig into the difficult questions of how to deal with uncertainty in science, the communication of this uncertainty, and the difficulties when science meets policy and the media.

The tone of the film is very questioning but with no preconceptions.  On the issue of who is to blame no-one will be left unscathed, whether that is science sceptics, the media or most particularly scientists themselves.   Sir Paul is very aware of the culpability of scientists and that will come across in the film.  They will not be portrayed as white coated magicians who should be left to work in their ivory towers – their failings will be dealt with in detail.

Now obviously one of the other great areas of contention is when science meets the media.  Much as most scientists would like their papers to be published unedited in the mainstream media that obviously does not work. We will be visiting the newsroom of a national newspaper (most likely the Times although we have also been talking to the Telegraph) to explore the realities of where science fits in the news agenda, but I also want to explore the equally important role of the online world.

As an influential blogger on climate change, among other subjects, I’d really like Paul to meet you and chat to you about your views – how you see your role and that more generally the influence of the internet in changing the debate; your views on climate-gate and how that was handled by the media; the failings or otherwise of scientists in communicating the science.

Filming would be on the afternoon of 18 August ideally.

If you are interested please drop me a line or give me a call.

Kind regards

Emma [removed by author]

Producer/Director

BBC Vision Productions

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pax
February 3, 2011 2:03 pm

Something wrong with the heading of this post.

Al Gored
February 3, 2011 2:20 pm

Thanks for this summary. Hopefully this combined with the Harrabin/MET affair will wake more people up about the BBC’s agenda.
I always appreciate your comments at Richard Black’s AGW promotion site. If Black is any indication the BBC hasn’t really changed at all yet (despite ending its daily ‘Climate Doomsday Report’ by David Shukman) though the ratio of skeptical to believer comments at Black’s site sure has. So there’s hope. But I still can’t believe how the UK has shown such ‘leadership’ in this battle to save the world from the planetary fever, even considering the vested interests of the moneyed twit class there.
Anyhow, may Queen Elizabeth live to be at least 120 to spare the world from Charles.

harry
February 3, 2011 2:21 pm

JD is ridiculed for admitting that he does not directly read cimate science papers, but instead distills comments on those papers from people he trusts and the blogosphere.
Australia’s adviser to government on climate change Ross Garnaut was on radio today blaming the recent floods and the cyclone on Global Warming, and said that these types of events would be more frequent and stronger in the future and that evidence of this was being seen in the Atlantic.
Strangely this “adviser” is an economist, I wonder how many climate science papers he reviews to make his determinations …
(A CSIRO climate scientist has refuted these claims and said that la nina events are common and unrelated to any effect of AGW)

Jeremy
February 3, 2011 2:22 pm

When I think of the BBC now, the image in my mind is of these people:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ircpresident/3169562620/

Onion
February 3, 2011 2:24 pm

The BBC has an embedded editorial policy on the veracity of the theory of CAGW. All else flows as a consequence of this
This is also a reason why Roger Harrabin’s deflection on WUWT was so nauseating and Orwellian. He knows full well the editorial policy even while pretending he is independent

Billy Liar
February 3, 2011 2:25 pm

pax says:
February 3, 2011 at 2:03 pm
I agree. Sensible people have never had any faith in the BBC.

February 3, 2011 2:32 pm

The circular logic of Phil Jones – to drop the mis-matching tree ring data for the recent past on the basis that the previous trends (before temperature data) of proxy data were valid, while the recent proxy data was invalid because it didn’t follow the temperature measurement trends is still not understood.
The warmists don’t understand the importance of the discarded data and “trick”. The “trick” hid the fact that proxy data and temperature data may not correlate well enough to say that the past millenium was any specific temperature and therefore much different from what it is today or recently. The basis of “unprecedented” is all in that mis-tie.
Perhaps the journalists don’t understand. Or perhaps they do understand, but, coming from a humanist/idealist place, see the difference between accuracy as usefulness as being minute. If Jones et al had supported a temperature during the Middle Ages, the Roman Warm and the Minoan Warm Periods, would we have had the end-of-the-world fears and VP Gore at the Nobel Prize presentations? No, no, and no, no, no.

Pete Olson
February 3, 2011 2:33 pm

Well, you did it while I was writing, apparently…

ColinD
February 3, 2011 2:34 pm

This higlights the overall problem with the CAGW issue- in public it is always an argument from authority. Sir Paul Nurse is clearly a highly accomplished scientist but is not a climatologist. He is apparently also a good communicator. Dellers is an experienced journo but is also not a climatologist. The authority of the ‘team’ climatologists has been thoroughly embedded into the minds of MSM, academic institutions, politicians, science collectives (e.g. Royal Societies) to name a few. It will take more than a few years to change this.

Veronica
February 3, 2011 2:35 pm

Paul Nurse is an immunologist. Very eminent in cancer research but probably rather less so in climate research. And greener than grass when it comes to tv appearances.

John Robertson
February 3, 2011 2:36 pm

The show in question is available as a torrent…Storyville – Meet the Climate Sceptics from thebox.bz

Andrew30
February 3, 2011 2:36 pm

pax says: February 3, 2011 at 2:03 pm
“Something wrong with the heading of this post.”
I expect Barry just missed the word “Why” as the first word in the heading, probably just a cut and paste error.

February 3, 2011 2:37 pm

As Ulric Lyons said to me in conversation yesterday;
“D-Notice”.
(Nowadays known as a DA-Notice) We know that they know that we know.

brokenhockeystick
February 3, 2011 2:39 pm

So when do the formal complaints to OFCOM and litigation start? Can’t let the watermelons get away with this.

neil
February 3, 2011 2:41 pm

they are at it again just turned on bbc news to see them discussing 2 recent droughts in brazil and immediately linking it to global warming and the likelyhood of it happening again .according to them the amount of trees that died off in the latest drought released the equivalent of 1.5 times the annual output of the USA emissions with the knock on effect of less trees to reabsorb it.they never miss a trick and neither do they seem to care.how can they be stopped.this world has gone mad

banjo
February 3, 2011 2:46 pm

Delingpole was naive, as was Monckton.
The entire premise of the show what eccentrics sceptics are.
If you don`t agree completely with the bbc groupthink, dont play with them.
After all they have the biggest mouthpiece.
Never, never trust the bbc.
I got a text off a friend afterwards his take on it was,”What a crap documentary.It made all sides look stupid,especially the bbc for broadcasting it.”
What did everyone think of the comedy incidental music that accompanied Chris Monckton?
Anyone who thinks for one moment that the bbc will ever seriously interview a sceptic scientist,or even open a debate ,doesn`t understand the bbc at all.
This is old..but applies now more than ever.
From Andrew Marr at the bbc.
“The BBC is not impartial or neutral. It’s a publicly funded, urban organisation with an abnormally large number of young people, ethnic minorities and gay people. It has a liberal bias not so much a party-political bias. It is better expressed as a cultural liberal bias”.
So…M`lord Monckton, Dellers, Mr Watts ,and any other sceptics who still believe the bbc is where you may get a fair hearing, abandon all hope ye who enter there,they ain`t nice.

Doug in Seattle
February 3, 2011 2:46 pm

Fool me once . . .

David Ball
February 3, 2011 2:47 pm

My take is that the British people are not buying the party line any longer. This will only hurt the BBCs credibility further in the publics eyes. In James’ defense ( I don’t believe he needs any here), they would have cut any one of us, credentialed or not, to ribbons on the editing room floor. The smooth talk when enlisting the victim is to convince him that the show will be impartial. Classic bait and switch. Someone who has integrity cannot help but be sucked in by the deception. I guarantee that James will not fall for that again. I can only speak for myself, but I just want people to be aware of the hoax and the dangerous path we are traveling on in regards to climate legislation. I am impressed and stand behind Mr. Delingpole, for I see the subterfuge for what it is. Desperation.

frank verismo
February 3, 2011 2:55 pm

The BBC were the primary reason I evicted my television. Being propagandized in your own home and paying for the pleasure is not my idea of fun. They have not received a single penny from me for the last five years.
Things, it seems, have only gotten worse since: the stitch-ups more blatant and the agendas more laughably transparent. Thankfully, the public trust so carefully built up by the BBC over the years is certainly melting at a far greater rate than any Himalayan glacier.
Really, we should all simply walk away – their usefulness is over.

Mike Haseler
February 3, 2011 2:55 pm

scientists … will not be portrayed as white coated magicians who should be left to work in their ivory towers – their failings will be dealt with in detail.
There is bias and there are lies.
This program went way beyond bias and is nothing short of an out and out lie. Not just white lies, but vindictive, abusive, insulting lies supposedly for the “good of humanity” but really a Nazi style persecution of people whose views have just as much right to be heard as anyone else, but whose views the BBC have decided to repress.
Whilst the BBC have always taken sides, this program has really showed their true colours as being almost indistinguishable from Goebbelian propaganda.
This was my reply to my complaint asking them to cover the climate science:
=====
Dear Mike
Thank you for your note.
The BBC is committed to providing programming on the subject of climate change which represents a full range of views but which also properly reflects the balance of scientific opinion.
The intention of Meet The Climate Sceptics was to explore the arguments of those who question whether global warming is predominantly manmade. The filmmaker looked for the scientific evidence behind the arguments of the climate sceptics, and compared these findings with the theories from scientists who have examined the impact of man on global warming. In the light of this detailed research, the filmmaker came to his own conclusions, but also encouraged viewers to make up their own minds.
In recent years we have made a number of films which explore aspects of climate change, either directly or indirectly: most recently the Oceans film David Attenborough hosted (where we discussed ocean acidity); the Horizon on population last year and the ‘President’s Guide to Science’ in 2008. More broadly, Professor Iain Stewart’s 3 part series Climate Wars looked at many of the arguments on BBC 2 in December 2009.
Regards
Emma Swain
Acting Controller Knowledge Commissioning
Rm 6060 BBC Television Centre | Wood Lane W12 7RJ
Tel: 020 8576 7138 M: 07718 966136
emma.swain@bbc.co.uk

February 3, 2011 2:55 pm

When it comes to skeptical science I am surprised that no one has taken them to task for false temperature curves. I don’t mean Climategate which is no more than the tip of the iceberg compared to what is going on with false warming claims promulgated by NASA, NOAA, and the Met Office. They all show warming in the eighties and nineties when satellite temperature measurements prove that there was none. Why am I so vehement about that? First because this is the period that Hansen in 1988 declared to be the start of global warming. That statement was a lie but his testimony became the foundation of the present global warming movement. Second because they claim that it is experimental proof of the predictions of their theory. The absence of warming in the eighties and nineties also proves that their theory’s predictions still have no experimental proof. I have demonstrated graphically how these phony warming curves were derived by distorting real temperature measurements. This is what needs to be thrown in the face of these warmists, not some nambi-pambi talk about interpreting emails. The science behind global warming simply does not exist. Add to this Ferenc Miskolczi’s observation that the transparency of the atmosphere in the infrared band where carbon dioxide absorbs remained constant for 61 years despite constant addition of CO2 to the atmosphere and they will have to explain that or give up their claim that Arrhenius explained it all in the nineteenth century. Everything I said is backed up in “What Warming?” but obviously our side is just as negligent in reading it as the warmists are. All I can say is that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

David C
February 3, 2011 2:56 pm

Barry – great post – very clear and well argued. Thanks.

February 3, 2011 2:56 pm

It is an ugly battle at the moment. What the BBC did is typical of the warmist media. I can understand that people hope to be able to get their message out, but going through a media where the control the final presentation is always going to be a serious risk.
This certainly shows where the BBC stands on the issue and their stance has nothing to do with journalism.
John Kehr
http://theinconvenientskeptic.com/

Mike
February 3, 2011 2:57 pm

Nurse and Bindschadler meant net CO2 emissions. Many natural processes absorb CO2.
As for: “However, the programs underlying message to the general public came across to me as that climate science was under attack by climate sceptics or deniers of science who are on a par with those that deny Aids, vaccines and extreme anti GM environmentalist activists.”
Yes, that is how you are viewed by the scientific community. There’s no denying it.

William Mason
February 3, 2011 2:58 pm

Such a shame that an organization like the BBC can’t be trusted. I don’t really want an advocate from the media but at least a fair and balanced debate. Perhaps if all this cold continues things will get better.

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