Quote of the Week

I somehow missed this in December, but WUWT reader Jimbo thankfully reminds us in comments on the Nature-“global warming isn’t killing penguins” thread

Jimbo says:

January 14, 2011 at 2:56 am

This story reminds me of the environmentalist who, after a bowel movement, burned her used toilet paper (for environmental reasons) and subsequently caused Israel’s worst ever fire. Greenpeace initially blamed global warming.

Frogs: debunked. Lizards: debunked. Penguins: debunked
Each of these is caused by concerned environmentalist researchers or poachers.

References:
http://www.jpost.com/GreenIsrael/PEOPLEANDTHEENVIRONMENT/Article.aspx?id=195702
http://www.greenprophet.com/2010/12/greenpeace-israel-carmel-fire/

UPDATE: To be fair, the original source is even further upstream:

Ray says:
January 13, 2011 at 1:26 pm

Global warming brought to you by Greenpeace…

http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/environmentalist-starts-israels-worst-ever-fire-greenpeace-blames-global-warming/

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42 thoughts on “Quote of the Week

  1. Hey… I helped with this post… sort of… :-)

    Funny thing is, you can write this line “_______________ are dying due to Global Warming”, and no one would bat an eye at it….. Say, aren’t bat populations dying due to Global Warming????

  2. Let’s not embellish the truth, please. The Jerusalem Post article merely says that the environmentalist in question had “used” the toilet paper, not that she had had a bowel movement.

  3. What is even more ironic is that so much effort has been put into stopping perfectly natural forest fires in the last few decades, that there has been a noticeable drop in global particulates in the atmosphere which has undoubtedly led to a net increase in global temperature. And forests need regular burns to sustain their viability otherwise dense undergrowth builds up.

    So … if you want to save planet earth … let it burn!

  4. There is a lot of this type of insanity going around – for example, below is another example of the EPA running amok. The implications for the US’s extractive industries are huge – very simply, it says the US is like a typical Third World country, where business cannot rely on the rule of law.

    Maybe, this is no more than a back door ploy by AGW fanatics in the EPA to get everyone to rely on solar or wind power, because no rational investor can now dare risk investing in oil/coal exploration or drilling in the US after this ruling.

    http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page72068?oid=118460&sn=Detail&pid=92730

  5. Mike Haseler says:
    January 14, 2011 at 9:56 am

    “What is even more ironic is that so much effort has been put into stopping perfectly natural forest fires in the last few decades, that there has been a noticeable drop in global particulates in the atmosphere which has undoubtedly led to a net increase in global temperature. And forests need regular burns to sustain their viability otherwise dense undergrowth builds up.”

    Very interesting, I hadn’t, but should’ve considered that. I had thought that our forest fighting efforts tended to suppress the growth of younger plant life in favor of more mature trees, which would reduce the ability of forests to absorb CO2 since mature trees don’t absorb CO2 at nearly the rate of young growth.

    I’m sure there are many other factors related to reducing forest fires:

    1) Changes in albedo

    2) Changes in transpiration

    3) Local fires effect on cloud formation/rain and the effects of those clouds

    I highly doubt that the models are taking these things into account adequately (if at all).

  6. Anything printed about Global Warming by Greenpeace, is IMHO, most likely to be a load of green p*ss.
    Meanwhile, in the case of this story, presumably the old addage ‘accidents can happen’ stands true? (though maybe it would have been better if the prodigal environmentalist had simply had an accident instead of being a twisted firestarter LOL?)

  7. “Let’s not embellish the truth, please. The Jerusalem Post article merely says that the environmentalist in question had “used” the toilet paper, not that she had had a bowel movement.”

    Lmao, I thought the story was funny enough but here’s the gravy! Thanks for the awesome laugh.

  8. Why-o-why would anyone burn a used toilet paper in a forest for ‘ecological’ reasons? The paper is made of wood. The fertiliser is good for the forest. Couldn’t she just pour a little water or urine on it?

  9. “The cause of this particular fire was, sadly enough, the good intentions of a participant in the Rainbow Festival that was being held at the site.

    For ecological reasons, she burned toilet paper she had used so as not to leave it in nature, and in normal circumstances, that would have been the thing to do.

    However, due to the strong winds and the unseasonable hot air, the dry grasses caught on fire immediately, and the fire spread in four different directions simultaneously.”
    —–
    You just can’t make this stuff up!! What do they mean, “for ecological reasons…”?? Just burying it in a trench latrine is fine, it would be gone in a few days due to the bacteria & fungi.

    Who is advising these eco-nuts on science?? Boy Scouts had better sense in the 1950’s!

    “Use toilet paper sparingly and use only plain, white, nonperfumed brands. Toilet paper must be disposed of properly! It should be either thoroughly buried in a cathole or placed in plastic bags and packed out, which is the best way to practice Leave No Trace. Never burn toilet paper because of the danger of starting a wildfire.”

    http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/TeachingLeaveNoTrace/033_dispose.aspx

  10. I think that we are missing the point. If it were not for GW then there would be no reason to burn the toilet paper therefore the cause is GW. If it were not for GW then there would be no reason to study the penguins, therefore the cause is GW.

    Come on people get with the program.

  11. AGW leads to more funding for studies of the biological effects of climate change.

    More funding means more studies.

    More studies means more penguins are killed.

    Ergo, AGW kills penguins! Climate scientists were right!

  12. Dear MH,

    Please stop incinerating my forests. Just because fire is a natural process, it does not mean it is good, or necessary — especially wildfires which are hugely destructive of myriad resources and values.

    Tell you what, before you advocate Let It Burn in my watershed and neighborhood, shut down your own fire dept. in your own neighborhood burn that place to the ground. Because your crazy arsonist notions are not wanted where I live.

  13. Aren’t these Rainbow Gatherings more like hippie stuff than climate activism? There was one in Finland last summer and it was on the news mainly because many people were running around naked.

  14. Re: The Great Toilet Paper Catastrophe. I wonder what kind of penance she is performing to assuage her guilt?

  15. The cause of this particular fire was, sadly enough, the good intentions of a participant in the Rainbow Festival that was being held at the site. For ecological reasons, she burned toilet paper she had used so as not to leave it in nature, and in normal circumstances, that would have been the thing to do. However, due to the strong winds and the unseasonable hot air, the dry grasses caught on fire immediately, and the fire spread in four different directions simultaneously.

    By what reasoning is it not reasonable to leave toilet paper in nature?

    Toilet paper is biodegradable and I would imagine that the soiled parts would not burn very well anyway.

  16. Sorry to spoil the story a bit – but the fire they are talking about in mount Carmel (which sadly caused some 43 deaths) was caused by unattended garbage dump fire.
    The fire referred to that was caused by that woman (who subsequently disappeared from the area as soon as it became clear the fire is out of control) was on the eastern slopes of the Sea of Galilee.
    It took some 2 days to put it out and it burned many hundreds of hectares also.
    But of course – both fires were caused by Global Warming – this goes without saying.

  17. I say all of these fires are caused by too much oxygen (O2) in the atmosphere. Clearly it is a dangerous gas and needs to be regulated and reduced (pun intended) before the entire planet burns!

  18. Lush conifer forests outgas isoprene and terpenes. (No surprise that there are ignition hazards in the summertime.) Does anyone know if these are “greenhouse gases”? Chances are good, since they are complex hydrocarbon molecules.

  19. The cause of this particular fire was, sadly enough, the good intentions of a participant in the Rainbow Festival that was being held at the site.

    Ahh, the road to hell. How long must we suffer from these well-intended, yet very foolish killers?

    From Randy Travis.

    …”And I hear tell the road to hell is paved with good intentions
    And mama my intentions were the best
    There’s lotsa things in my life I just as soon not mention
    Looks like I’ve turned out like all the rest
    But mama my intentions were the best..”

  20. “marc fenton says:
    January 14, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    Tell me it isn’t true http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1346936/The-sun-rises-days-early-Greenland-sparking-fears-climate-change-accelerating.html

    This is utterly idiotic, they claim that the lowered icecap has caused the sun to rise early!
    However when you first see the Sun again north of the Arctic circle, it rises briefly in the SOUTH. The icecap is 50 km EAST of Illulissat.
    So what caused the “early rise”? Simple: unusual atmospheric refraction. When the temperature profile in the atmosphere is right it can “lift” things that are normally below the horizon. I have actually once seen the coast of Finland from the Swedish coast, right across the Bothnian Bay. It is unusual, but it happens.

  21. tty says:
    January 14, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    “marc fenton says:
    January 14, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    Tell me it isn’t true http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1346936/The-sun-rises-days-early-Greenland-sparking-fears-climate-change-accelerating.html”

    This is utterly idiotic, they claim that the lowered icecap has caused the sun to rise early!
    However when you first see the Sun again north of the Arctic circle, it rises briefly in the SOUTH. The icecap is 50 km EAST of Illulissat.
    So what caused the “early rise”? Simple: unusual atmospheric refraction.
    ========================================================

    Nope, I’m pretty sure CO2 is making the earth speed through its cycles quicker!! That’s where Kevin’s missing energy went! Sure, it’s only happening up north right now, but just wait until the rest of the earth catches up! Then we’re really gonna see climate chaos!

  22. Spot on tty.

    It sounds like the locals expect to get some benefit from the AGW scam. To say that it has never ever happened before 13th January makes you wonder what happens in a leap year, surely there must be a variation for that reason alone.

    In the above image I reckon that due south is probably aligned with the radio tower on top of the hill to the left so at 12:56 on the 11th of January the sun would be somewhere to the right of that point

    (I originally posted this about half an hour ago but it seems to have gone astray – Please delete if it results in a double post)

  23. tarpon says:
    January 14, 2011 at 10:33 am

    I wonder why the toilet paper cause wasn’t better circulated in the media?

    Don’t they peddle enough $h1t?

    DaveE.

  24. sHx says:
    January 14, 2011 at 11:03 am
    Why-o-why would anyone burn a used toilet paper in a forest for ‘ecological’ reasons? The paper is made of wood. The fertiliser is good for the forest……

    I couldn’t agree more.

    My mounting worry about this story is that concerned greens are actually doing more harm than good. See the frog and penguin stories.

  25. “Green Peace arse wipe incinerates 5000 hectares of forest”

    (bet that one won’t be heading up a page in the Guardian any time soon)

  26. “tty says: January 14, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    [...] So what caused the “early rise”? Simple: unusual atmospheric refraction. [...]”

    Only ever seen the Moon do that (UK) – very memorable. Two full Moons, one with a tell tale redish tinge but otherwise perfect.

  27. tty says:
    January 14, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    “marc fenton says:
    January 14, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    “Tell me it isn’t true http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1346936/The-sun-rises-days-early-Greenland-sparking-fears-climate-change-accelerating.html”

    This is utterly idiotic, they claim that the lowered icecap has caused the sun to rise early!
    However when you first see the Sun again north of the Arctic circle, it rises briefly in the SOUTH. The icecap is 50 km EAST of Illulissat.
    So what caused the “early rise”? Simple: unusual atmospheric refraction.”

    The link is dead, probably because somebody figured out it was all BS.

    Atmospheric refraction is something I know a lot about since I use it in my work. I don’t have the refractive numbers for visible light at hand, but they are close to the ones for radio waves which I do know.
    The easiest way to think about atmospheric refraction is to use what is called a “K-factor” to adjust the size of the earth. A normal atmosphere has a K-factor of 1.33, meaning the earth appears to be 1.33 times normal size and you can see pass the geometric horizon and the sun appears higher in the sky than it really is.
    K-factors can range from about 0.4 (the earth curves more) to infinity (flat earth).

  28. Mike D;
    So, ah, you advocate maximum build-up of floor litter and slash? So that the soil is sterilized once a fire does start, and mature trees that routinely survive ordinary more frequent fires succumb to the Big Ones you prefer? And the fire-activated seeds get destroyed instead of released?

    Nice!

    Oh, I see … you think you can opt for NEVER having a forest fire! Um, sorry to burst your phantasy bobble, but … it ain’t so. And wishing won’t make it so.

  29. A great quote about leftist hypocrisy from Instapundit today: “UPDATE: Reader Vito DiPaola writes: “Has anyone commented on the fact that some of the people criticizing Sarah Palin for using the term ‘blood libel’ are the same people that use the term ‘deniers’ when criticizing global warming skeptics?”

    http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/113206/

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