57 thoughts on “The little conference that can can’t

  1. “Josh, of Cartoons by Josh has a take on the attendance of COP16 at Cacun, said to be down more than 50% over last year’s COP15 shindig in Copenhagen.”

    Cacun? How about can’t spell… ;-)

    REPLY: Fixed, thanks, A

  2. Greetings from Ireland. We are currently enjoying our coldest November temperatures on record! Temperatures set to drop yet further on Wednesday and Thursday. Yes, yes I know its only weather and not climate but it does piss of the warmists, so I like it!

  3. Reduced attendance at Cancun is entirely consistent with AGW theory and the desire to reduce CO2 emissions. Fewer delegates means fewer aircraft emissions. And if BO doesn’t show up on Air Force One – with associated medium sized national aviation defence force – then a zillion tonnes of CO2 will not be generated and the Earth will be saved.

    For the conference following Cancun – it is planned to have no delegates whatsoever. This will ensure that the planet is saved a second time (built-in procedural redundancy is a Good Thing), and that no high expectations are dashed. Win -Win!

  4. Slight misunderstanding here. It’s not Can’t Con, its Cant Con. I like Josh’s wording better.

    Wiktionary:

    cant (plural cants)

    1.An argot, the jargon of a particular class or subgroup.
    He had the look of a prince, but the cant of a fishmonger.
    2.A private or secret language used by a religious sect, gang, or other group.
    3.Shelta.
    4.Empty, hypocritical talk.
    People claim to care about the poor of Africa, but it is largely cant.
     [quotations ▼]
    1749 — Henry Fielding, The History of Tom Jones, a Foundling, Book IV ch iv He is too well grounded for all your philosophical cant to hurt.1759-1770 — w:Laurence Sterne, The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman. Of all the cants which are canted in this canting world — though the cant of hypocrites may be the worst — the cant of criticism is the most tormenting!
    5.Whining speech, such as that used by beggars.
    6.(heraldry) A blazon of a coat of arms that makes a pun upon the name of the bearer.

    I think I’ll go with 2, 4 and especially #5!

  5. Attendance down by 50%?
    That leaves around 7500 people suddenly invading Cancun to stretch the city’s already limited sewerage system to… ?
    Could be interesting.
    There might be a tad more methane (amongst other gasses & hot air) blown around.
    One could continue down this interesting path, but in the interests of health & safety, I will desist. There might be children watching.

  6. There’s talk of a staggering $85 per tonne carbon trading in Australia, the home of green lunatics. It’s being backed by large corporates. They can obviously see how they can make $$$ by shutting down plants and sending manufacturing offshore … and of course losing jobs here. Ironically it’s our labour government that’s pushing for it. Even though Australia is a tiny drop in the global bucket, there’s no “can’t” down here.

  7. Be wary of a smaller, lower profile less distracted conference whose attendees know that if they fail thistime, it will likely be the last.
    With less atttention and circus, they may actually agree to somethign that could hurt us all- make a binding agreement to cram down carbon use and create more poverty starvation and suffering worldwide.
    I frankly find the use of the title about the little train a bad omen, because the little train, if you recall, did.
    I would rather see this go the way of the tortoise and the hare, where the speedy hare- AGW true belief, gets beat by the slow and steady skeptics- the tortoise.

  8. Latimer Alder says:
    November 29, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    For the conference following Cancun – it is planned to have no delegates
    It would be nice to have it here at WUWT, a virtual conference!

  9. The problem I see is that they’ll be using “100% of attending members voted to levy worldwide carbon taxes” in their future literature….

  10. I have to wonder if in the light of Climategate and the near complete meltdown of governmental budgets some of the proposed attendees requests for more government largess to finance a little time on the Mexican Beaches was seen as just a tiny bit too blatant a waste of money…

    With any luck they will realize that destruction of the base economy on which their junkets depends is a self limiting behaviour…

  11. Can anyone give me some advice to where I can get unbiased local temperature data for the UK & Ireland for the past 20 years?
    Basically I’m writing a simple program that will correlate local temperatures with certain solar activity, I want to study the pattern relationship between the two and see if I can come up with a baseline that can be interchangeable with other local temperatures from around the world.

    Oh.. and I’ve read that the UN has banned anyone who is sceptical about AGW at this conference, which I think is probably why the “CON” is down more than 50% over last year’s COP15, they’ve Banned the opposition. That’s very convenient!

  12. E.M.Smith says:
    November 29, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    “With any luck they will realize that destruction of the base economy on which their junkets depends is a self limiting behaviour…”

    The delegates don’t work in the economy and have no knowledge about it; so they will not notice it.

  13. ….. COP16 at Cancun, said to be down more than 50% over last year’s COP15 shindig in Copenhagen.

    Actually, this is a bit worrisome. According to Schadow’s Law, larger attendance of people in the COP Towers of Babel produces fewer chances of some insane pronouncement being issued by relatively few attendees possessing increased power.

  14. Actually, UN FCCC activities can not strictly be called a “conference” where there are opposing views entertained and heard. Rather, they are just “meeting” where participants, climate bureaucrats of member-governments and international bureaucrats (UN, WB, EU, ADB, etc.) discuss among each other who will cut carbon emission by how much and when, and how many billion $ will be rationed off.

  15. Snowing again here at tallbloke towers tonight. Very unusual for November. The MET has forecast 20C below freezing for some parts of the country.

    That’s pretty near a record set in 1911. Common climate factor for then and now? low Sunspot number following a long minimum.

  16. One can imagine all of the work shops dedicated to manufacturing planic, redistribution of wealth, and parasitical ‘science’.

  17. Dave Turner says:
    November 29, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    There is too much complacency here abouts, governments are still pushing AGW.

    I agree. Reading this and other skeptic sites, one can get the feeling that the war is won. Yet, the mainstream media, and politicians, continue with the same old tune. Only yesterday the Australian prime minister announced that she will pursue ‘price on carbon’ even more vigorously.

  18. I don’t see any reason why this would contribute to the failure of this meeting. Less stake holders and people means less problems negotiating a (any) treaty.
    Let’s assume only those with vested interests are present now.
    A few drinks and the right drugs (this is coke paradise isn’t it) could just make the difference to get the right signature under the wrong treaty.

    Just remember how the House of Lords signed the British Climate Bill?
    Most of them were drunk when they signed the UK into the decade of deindustrialization.

  19. …the attendance of COP16 at Cancun, said to be down more than 50% over last year’s COP15 shindig in Copenhagen.

    The (C)AGW beast must be near death for it to have shed so many underfed parasites.

    At this rate by COP17 the attendance will be down to maggots, ants, and beetles, getting what they can while they still can get something.

    Any chance we can put the poor misbegotten creature down now? I’d recommend a nice bonfire cremation afterwards, there’s a cold Northern Hemisphere winter coming and we could use the warmth. However no roasting of marshmallows, that’d just be gauche. ;-)

  20. I don’t see why A Watts has us all freezing, warming our hands on laptops and such, instead of having skeptical science meetings in Mexico.

    (We had snow S Wa before Thanksgiving, very unusual.)

  21. E.M.Smith says:
    November 29, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    I have to wonder if in the light of Climategate and the near complete meltdown of governmental budgets some of the proposed attendees requests for more government largess to finance a little time on the Mexican Beaches was seen as just a tiny bit too blatant a waste of money…

    I agree, but I bet since it was already budgeted……………

  22. TomRude says:
    November 29, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Cacun. Why yes, what with the the carbon gypsy moths all going into hibernation, Cancun might as well be in a cocoon.
    Utopian Green Dream States, dream on.

  23. Dave Turner
    You said “There is too much complacency here abouts, governments are still pushing AGW”

    I agree completely.
    2010 will go down as the year the scientific case for AGW died.
    If we are not careful, 2011 will be the year AGW statism rose triumphant.

    More and more regulations are being put in place with the effect, if not the intention, to increase costs and reduce standards of living.

  24. R. de Haan says:
    November 29, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    The Socialists want us rationing and fundamentally change our life style.

    You mean the watermelons? They do claim to be environmentalists, so it applies. Green on the outside, red on the inside….

  25. If anyone has not looked at how insane 4 C by 2060 is , a simple exercise will do . If we are going to warm 4 degrees C by 2060, it means 4 degrees warming in the next 50 years or a rate of warming 4/50 or 0.08 per year. Our current rate of warming trend [ least square trend slope ]since 2001 is 0.0042/year according to WOODFORTREES COMPOSITE INDEX.[see below] This means that they are telling us that the globe will warm or .08/0.0042 or 19 times faster than today. These people really do have global warming fever of the worst kind and it looks incurable.

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti/from:2001/to:2011/plot/wti/from:2001/to:2011/trend

  26. Don’t be fooled….. They are just signing agreements and creating political frameworks without us….. It’s just that they’ve given up on appearing like a democratic system….. As many of them have said….. ” Sometimes you have to suspend Democracy to save Democracy”… Umm…Yeah right!

    …. Well at least we can count on our Media to keep them honest……. *sigh*

  27. Ben D. says:
    November 29, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    R. de Haan says:
    November 29, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    The Socialists want us rationing and fundamentally change our life style.

    “You mean the watermelons? They do claim to be environmentalists, so it applies. Green on the outside, red on the inside….”

    Those who came out of the closet call themselves socialists so why provide the the honor to be called after a perfectly shaped and excellent tasting fruit?

    It’s an insult of the watermelon.

  28. I look forward to January 5, 2011 when our new, more conservative US Congress convenes. Committee chairs and ranking members will exchange places and hearings will be populated by witnesses who will be more inclined to expose the fraud.

    A prominent event will be the examination of Lisa Jackson, the run-amok enviro and head of Environmental Protection Agency, who is working furiously under the radar to effectively impose carbon restrictions via regulation under the shelter of the Supreme Court’s inane designation of carbon dioxide as a pollutant . Her little fiefdom sorely needs exposure to the strong light of examination and reining in.

  29. Hey Anthony!

    Can you get information out to Americans reading Watts Up just spoken about
    by Christopher Monckton to Alex Jones???

    He says there’s this legislator in congress (a Rino, of course) who might be
    appointed as head of an energy committee ~ His name is Fred Upton ~ and
    Monckton just said that ALL Americans should call their senators and congressmen
    to STOP that appointment.

    The guy is all about ‘eco-austerity’ and Monckton just said he’s an ultra-greenie
    who will do his BEST to further subjugate the U.S. populace.

    I can’t see of any other way to get this info. to you and I hope this helps.

    C.L. Thorpe

  30. As attendance declines the tone becomes more shrill. The die-hard, fully committed are the last ones to abandon the group. They should all be committed… institutionalized in fact, if you know what I mean.

  31. Josh..

    Remember, the real work is being done in several very high level smoke filled rooms that are closed to the public and all but the most influential in the world’s of Hi-Finance, International Politics, & Big Biz. Sure wish we had some flys on the wall in those. Don’t imagine there’s any “Climateologists”, or Eco-ologists either.

  32. Cynthia Lauren Thorpe says:
    November 29, 2010 at 10:56 pm
    Hey Anthony!

    “Can you get information out to Americans reading Watts Up just spoken about
    by Christopher Monckton to Alex Jones???

    He says there’s this legislator in congress (a Rino, of course) who might be
    appointed as head of an energy committee ~ His name is Fred Upton ~ and
    Monckton just said that ALL Americans should call their senators and congressmen
    to STOP that appointment.

    The guy is all about ‘eco-austerity’ and Monckton just said he’s an ultra-greenie
    who will do his BEST to further subjugate the U.S. populace.

    I can’t see of any other way to get this info. to you and I hope this helps.

    C.L. Thorpe”

    DOWN WITH UPTON
    Sign the Petition

    http://www.downwithupton.com/

  33. “….. there’s this legislator in congress (a Rino, of course) who might be
    appointed as head of an energy committee ~ His name is Fred Upton …..”

    The current Ranking Member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee is Joe Barton (R-TX 6th) and the logical choice for the Chair, both by custom and credentials. Who is pushing Upton?

  34. Jeremy says:
    November 29, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    “Can we get a link about the depressed attendance?”

    I don’t know about the overall attendance, but this link (post by James Painter Friday 26 Nov 2010 – currently second post on the site)
    http://ecioxford.blogspot.com/ mentions journalists down by half compared to Copenhagen and heads of state down from 120 to about 20.

    Do you get the impression that James seems to rather like the warm weather in Cancun? It’s pretty cold in Oxford just now…

  35. R. de Haan says:
    November 30, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    This is the best part from the article you just linked:
    One of communist China’s big qualms last year was the lack of a global population-control regime as part of the package to combat alleged warming. That government enforces a strict one-child policy, even forcing women to have abortions if they already have one child. According to the regime, this helps limits CO2 (carbon dioxide, also known as plant food) emissions.

  36. I’m thinking the attendance is low thus far because everyone is still walking, hiking, cycling, and paddling their way as we speak.

    That takes a lot longer than flying you know.

  37. Ref – Enneagram says:
    November 30, 2010 at 1:25 pm
    R. de Haan says:
    November 30, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    “This is the best part from the article you just linked: ‘One of communist China’s big qualms last year was the lack of a global population-control regime as part of the package to combat alleged warming. That government enforces a strict one-child policy,…'”
    _______________________________
    (SarcOn) I’ll bet the Mexicans give themselves a CO2 Credit for every person they send across the Rio Grande too. Yep!!! The ONLY WAY to cut CO2 is to limit population. Developed Nations need to cut their populations by at least 101% Annualy. I have a funny feeling behind my left ear that there’s going to be a Big Carbon Unit Reduction Effort soon. I think the North Koreans will probably start it and China will try to finish it within 10 Months. In the West the survivors will call it WWIII, in the East it will be called something like “The Great War of Global Liberation” or something like that. People never change! (SarcOff)

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