The season of disinvitation continues: Chico State University can't handle a slideshow

I wrote back on September 28th about how Dr. Roger Pielke Senior and Dr. Bob Carter had been invited to present their views on climate science, then after the organizers found out what might be discussed, redacted the invitations to these scientists.

We also recently saw another example of how a “great debate” on climate had been staged by a Hollywood heavyweight, director James Cameron, who backed out of a debate with Climate Depot’s Marc Morano at the last minute, after Morano was already in the air and en-route to the debate. He’s now been dubbed “Titanic chicken of the sea” for saying things like James Cameron boldly slammed global warming skeptics as “swine” on the day he was supposed to be debating them. “I think they’re swine” Also see: Director James Cameron Unleashed: Calls for gun fight with global warming skeptics: ‘I want to call those deniers out into the street at high noon and shoot it out with those boneheads’ then not having the guts to actually follow through with a debate that he set up in the first place. All bark, no bite.

After all that…. guess what?

I was invited by Chico State University to the Great Debate Oct 28th in the City council Chambers on the topic of the Proposition 23, delay of California Prop32, the “global warming law”. I accepted with a caveat, but due to that caveat I’ve now joined the club of the “disinvited”. My crime? Wanting to show some slides to go along with my oral presentation.

I figured this would be OK because when the city sustainability committee presented their “Climate Action Plan” they got to use their own slide show, but silly me, apparently science slide shows are only for those who believe, not those who want to challenge the belief.

This started way back when I was critical of our local city council and the city sustainability committee’s Climate Action Plan which is heavily opinionated by people from the sustainability cabal of our local university. I was criticized for my stance by sustainability guru Dr. Mark Stemen who said I was ducking debate:

“There are a series of debates scheduled on AB 32/ Prop 23. Do you want to crawl out and play? Or is it too scary in public?”

As I explained to Professor Stemen then, one of the reasons I don’t do a lot of public debate is that I have an 85% hearing loss, and it makes following a live interchange difficult, sometimes impossible. When I was on the local school board, having public meetings in the very same council chambers, the only way I could follow dialog was with a  hearing assistance device. It was difficult, and sometimes embarrassing, but I did my public duty the best I could.

I do better when I give a presentation, interaction where I have to hear others and respond on the fly is tough. Most people don’t understand that a hearing loss requires using a lot of brainpower to pull meaning from context when you can’t hear well. This means forming a rebuttal can be tough when you have to think on the fly.

So when this invitation showed up in my inbox…

Name: Thia Wolf

Email: cwolf@xxxxxx

Website: http://www.csuchico.edu/fye/greatdebate

Dear Mr.  Watts:

I am writing to ask if you would be interested in participating as a debate team member in the “Main Event” community debate in City Council Chambers on October 28.  The debate subject is “AB 32: To Suspend or Not to Suspend?”  We are working to put together three-person teams on each side.  Teams will  meet with the CSU, Chico debate team for tips on debate strategies.  This meeting can be virtual.  At present, Larry Wahl has confirmed he will be on the team.  We are hoping you will be the second member and a business person concerned about AB 32 will be third.

Please let me know if this is of interest to you.  The debate is webcast live and may also be televised.  We emphasize civil discourse.  I would like to send you the general invitation and more information if you are interested. Many thanks for considering this.

thia wolf

cwolf@xxxxxx

Director, First-Year Experience Program

Time: Friday October 1, 2010 at 9:38 am

IP Address: 132.241.36.200

….I had to give it some serious thought. I read the letter carefully, and looked over the website link she gave. I asked initially if she’d be able to control the venue, since the last time I spoke at the podium in the city council chambers on an environmental issue, I was heckled, called names, and shouted at. The venue can be ugly. She said she could help control the debate, and I responded to her assurances with:

On 10/5/10 1:17 PM, “Anthony Watts” wrote:

Dear Ms. Wolf,

Thank you. I’ve looked at the materials provided, and unfortunately I cannot determine:

1. Where the event you are inviting me to would be held (in Council main chamber or in a side room)

2. What time it would be held and the duration.

3. The actual format, length of presentations, etc.

Given my hearing disability, the only possible venue for me is the main chamber. There is a hearing assistance system there, and I can bring my best headphones to plug into the receivers used.

Also, given that disability, I likely won’t be able to pick up well on others presentations and make rebuttals, the only circumstances that I would consider participating would be to be able to provide a slide show while I speak. This would allow me to make a strong factually based presentation without relying on hearing skills to rebut others.

This can easily be accomplished by connecting my laptop to the VGA port on the left side desk. I did this when I was on the school board, and the scan converter made it also transmit to the cable TV channel.

To be fair, others should be able to present a short slide show if they wish. I certainly encourage it, and it would keep the debate factually grounded. I’ll make my laptop available to anyone who wishes to put a PowerPoint presentation on it and help them test it beforehand. Thank you for your consideration.

Best Regards, Anthony Watts

She responded with:

From: “Wolf, Thia”

Date: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 1:26 PM

To: “Anthony Watts”

Cc: “Peterson, Sue”; “Justus, Zachary”

Subject: Re: Invitation to the Great Debate

Dear Mr. Watts:

Thank you for getting back to me!  I am forwarding this information to the Communication Studies faculty who organize the evening event.  I feel they are best positioned to decide if they can incorporate this technology into the evening debate.

The event is in the main Council Chambers.  The format has been developed by the debate experts in Communication, so they can go over this with you.  The Main Event starts at 6:30.  Again, the faculty should be able to give you a good estimate of how long the student debate will take, prior to the community member debate.

I have copied the two lead faculty members for this project on this email. I am sure they will confer before getting back to you, so please give them a day to do so.

I appreciate your willingness to consider participating.

Thank you,

thia

I thought the response was rather odd, because virtually every city council meeting has a slide show, and there’s a system in place to make it happen and broadcast the slide show live to the town for anyone who wants to use it. There’s really no “technology to incorporate”. Besides, neither the Great Debate Invitation sent to me, the letter Great Debate Letter AB 32 nor the web site had any caveats against using a slide show.

This is the response I got back:

From: “Wolf, Thia”

Date: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:43 AM

To: “Anthony Watts”

Cc: “Peterson, Sue” ; “John Rucker”; “Justus, Zachary”

Subject: Re: Invitation to the Great Debate

Dear Mr. Watts:

There is agreement that we are happy to make sure the the hearing assistance system is working well in Chambers before the debate so that you will have the benefit of its use.  The debate does not, however, include visuals.

That would require a different format from the one we use.  It is possible to place you in the debate team line-up so that rebuttal is NOT your responsibility–for instance, you could open the debate for your team.

Please let us know if you feel you can participate under these conditions.

Best,

thia

I was puzzled. Why could we not use visuals? This made no sense, especially since the room is set up for it, and the Climate Action Plan people made a slideshow when they pitched it to the city council and the public. So why can’t I?  I sent this reply:

From: “Anthony Watts”

Date: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:13 AM

To: “Wolf, Thia”

Cc: “Peterson, Sue” ; “John Rucker” ; “Justus, Zachary”

Subject: Re: Invitation to the Great Debate

Hello Ms. Wolf,

Thank you for your reply.

I spent my whole adult life making and presenting visuals to help people  understand scientific points on television, and now via blogging and  scientific literature. You are inviting me to participate because of who I  am and what I do. To deny me the ability to practice my craft, combined with  my hearing disability, puts me at an extreme disadvantage compared to others  there. I don’t work from a script, I don’t use a teleprompter, and I never  have. I wouldn’t write a script or statement for this either. The visuals  are my guide for the oration. I gave hour long talks in Australia this past June all over the continent and never once gave a prepared statement.

This is a technical argument that I would be making about climate and CO2,  which is the root of the issue for Prop 23 and the GHG law. It is impossible  to convey it without some visuals. People can’t see science in their heads.

Without visuals, my presence is pointless. In this day and age of visuals,  especially when there is easy and ready presentation access at the city  council chambers, I find your argument against using them weak and quite  frankly, a cop out, especially when the same opportunity can easily be  shared by others. This is sad, and out of touch with today’s reality,  because the Prop 23 battle is being fought on television with visuals and

innuendo, I would think you’d welcome factual debate with visuals, unless of  course the point of this debate is not about facts, but about feelings.

To deny visuals in a public debate is in my opinion, a sad commentary on  CSUC’s program. Even in a court of law the prosecution and the defense are allowed visuals. How else would they explain forensic science to a jury?  Get with the times!

Given the disadvantages I will face, and unless there is some sort of  accommodation for me to present at least some visuals, I see no other option  but to decline your invitation.

I await your reconsideration.

Best Regards, Anthony Watts

The reply I got back was pretty curt:

From: Wolf, Thia

Date: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 AM

To: Anthony Watts

Cc: Peterson, Sue ; Justus, Zachary ; John Rucker

Subject: Great Debate

Dear Mr. Watts:

The Great Debate is meant to provide space for citizens to practice an older discourse form.  There are various kinds of presentations during the day, some of them technologized, but we are invoking a traditional style of civil exchange in the evening.  We do thank you for considering our invitation, and we regret that the format is not to your liking.  We are committed, however, to a traditional debate format for the “main event” debates.

Best,

thia

thia wolf

First-Year Experience Program, director

California State University, Chico

“Let your voice be heard.”

(530) 898-xxxx

Wow, some debates get “technologized” but mine can’t be?

I sent this in reply:

From: Anthony Watts

Date: Thursday, October 07, 2010 1:07 PM

To: Wolf, Thia

Cc: Peterson, Sue ; Justus, Zachary ; John Rucker

Subject: Re: Great Debate

Dear Ms. Wolf,

Thank you for your cordial reply. I’m sorry to say this, but I’m going to respectfully call BS on your position.

In your invitation to me,

Name: Thia Wolf

Email: cwolf@xxxxxx

Website: http://www.csuchico.edu/fye/greatdebate

Dear Mr.  Watts:

I am writing to ask if you would be interested in participating as a debate team member in the “Main Event” community debate in City Council Chambers on October 28.  The debate subject is “AB 32: To Suspend or Not to Suspend?”  We are working to put together three-person teams on each side.  Teams will  meet with the CSU, Chico debate team for tips on debate strategies.  This meeting can be virtual.  At present, Larry Wahl has confirmed he will be on the team.  We are hoping you will be the second member and a business person concerned about AB 32 will be third.

Please let me know if this is of interest to you.  The debate is webcast live and may also be televised.  We emphasize civil discourse.  I would like to send you the general invitation and more information if you are interested. Many thanks for considering this.

thia wolf

cwolf@xxxxx

Director, First-Year Experience Program

You make no caveats on presentation style of any kind. You also highlight the webcast nature of it and the televised nature of it.

Let’s recap: You invite a television person, me, and then deny him his normal tools while at the same time promoting the television and webcast nature of the entire event.

My work has been television for years, and now on the web. I operate the most visited climate science blog on the planet, now with 57 million visits. So yes, I’m fluent with both TV and web presentation. In fact I built, designed, and donated the first live webcast system for the city council chambers in 2005.

So to deny me the tools of that venue that I am fluent in using, while promoting the venue using the same tools you deny me, is a paradox. Do you see how incongruent your position is? I think you’d lose that debate.

I’m going into what I see as a hostile environment, at a disadvantage due to my hearing disability, only asking to present some slides as is normal for my work on television and web, and yet your tagline proudly says:

“Let your voice be heard.”

Well I’m sure trying, but they won’t let me use TV tools on a public TV program. As they say in the news business: “That won’t play well in Peoria”. I urge you one last time to reconsider.

Thank you for your consideration.

Best Regards, Anthony Watts

Yes my response was a little strong, but really, how can a couple of slides cause any trouble? Especially when other portions of the day long venue get to use slide shows? I asked them to reconsider in my last sentence, surely, they’d come to their senses? But days passed, nothing. So I sent this:

From: Anthony Watts

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:01 AM

To: Wolf, Thia

Subject: Re: Great Debate

Hello Ms. Wolf,

It has been four days since I sent my last message and I have received no reply from you. So that I’m not bothering you anymore please clarify. My presentation is not welcome and there will be no further response.

Is that correct? Thank you for your consideration.

Best Regards, Anthony Watts

And this is the response I got back:

From: Wolf, Thia

Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:02 AM

To: Anthony Watts

Cc: Justus, Zachary ; Peterson, Sue ; John Rucker

Subject: Re: Great Debate

Dear Mr. Watts,

I am sorry for the delay in my response.  We do not want visuals during the debate, but we thank you for your input.

thia

So I’m thinking to myself, “I’ll give it some time. Maybe they’ll reconsider.”.

But here it is, the day before the “Great Debate” and I’m still waiting. [Update: I checked the program just after writing this to see that I’m truly disinvited, see graphic below -Anthony]

Given that today’s debates are fought visually in electronic media, it would have been an opportunity for CSUC students to practice debate as it is done in the real world today, rather than the debate structure of times gone by,  such as the famous Lincoln-Douglas Debate of 1858.

I suppose if you want to debate in the style of that period using only words to describe technological and science issues, more power to you, but really, this is the 21st century.

Here’s an example of how the Prop 23 debate is being waged in California on television:

The kid with the inhaler is a nice touch, don’t you think? No science here, AB32 it’s about limiting CO2, not particulates! And I used to think the Lung Association was a straight shooter.

They are off my list of charities now.

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October 27, 2010 1:02 pm

“The Great Debate is meant to provide space for citizens to practice an older discourse form.”
WOW!
Just WOW!!!
Ecotretas

October 27, 2010 1:03 pm

Says it all doesn’t it!
How pathetic.
thia wolf
First-Year Experience Program, director
California State University, Chico
“Let your voice be heard.”

Robert Morris
October 27, 2010 1:09 pm

Pffff, little people playing little games. Don’t let them get to you, Anthony.

Geo
October 27, 2010 1:09 pm

You should have (instead of email) sent a carrier pigeon to deliver your last correspondence….in the name of “older discourse”…..

October 27, 2010 1:10 pm

Anthony,
I suspect they don’t want you ‘confusing’ the audience with all that “sciencey” stuff. It is my experience (I’ve done the debate thing) that the pro-GW side likes “appeals to authority” and similar arguments which go over in a word-only debate.
Mike

Crispin in Waterloo
October 27, 2010 1:10 pm

Anthony, can you pull a Jon Stewart and organise your own debate? It might be very well attended. Maybe Obama would show up…

PB-in-AL
October 27, 2010 1:15 pm

“Let your voice be heard.” … but only if it says what we want to hear.

Enneagram
October 27, 2010 1:15 pm

That’s justifiable!: That is like inviting a merciless prosecutor: He will demonstrate that “we were lying all the time” 🙂

DesertYote
October 27, 2010 1:19 pm

I also have significant hearing loss. I detest debate, and I hate meetings with more then two others. I spend so many mental machine cycles and time, signal processing intelligence out of the speech that I do not have any time to think things through to contribute. That whole debating thing is non-sense any ways. Winning has nothing to do with the validity of the position.

Mark Wagner
October 27, 2010 1:20 pm

it’ll be interesting to hear from someone who attends as to what format, topics, heckling, etc actually occurs.
~M

Enneagram
October 27, 2010 1:20 pm

Crispin in Waterloo says:
October 27, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Just to begin with: What are they after NOW:
II. ECOLOGICAL INTEGRITY
5. Protect and restore the integrity of Earth’s ecological systems, with special concern for biological diversity and the natural processes that sustain life.
a. Adopt at all levels sustainable development plans and regulations that make environmental conservation and rehabilitation integral to all development initiatives.
b. Establish and safeguard viable nature and biosphere reserves, including wild lands and marine areas, to protect Earth’s life support systems, maintain biodiversity, and preserve our natural heritage.
c. Promote the recovery of endangered species and ecosystems.
d. Control and eradicate non-native or genetically modified organisms harmful to native species and the environment, and prevent introduction of such harmful organisms.
e. Manage the use of renewable resources such as water, soil, forest products, and marine life in ways that do not exceed rates of regeneration and that protect the health of ecosystems.
f. Manage the extraction and use of non-renewable resources such as minerals and fossil fuels in ways that minimize depletion and cause no serious environmental damage.

http://www.earthcharterinaction.org/content/pages/Read-the-Charter.html

John Whitman
October 27, 2010 1:22 pm

It is not nice to fool with Mother Natureskeptics.
Keep on posting the stories of the dis-invitations Anthony.
John

Keith G
October 27, 2010 1:39 pm

I’m having trouble deciding what the main purpose of the debate was. To actually discuss Prop 23, or was it just some kind of experiential learning thing for the Debate Team? Regardless, if you were going to be there, it was going to be a big deal! No doubt some are going to spin this as you chickening out, so thanks for the clear explanation.
BTW, did you mean to publish that lady’s e-mail address? You normally X those out. Most of us here are well-behaved, but you never know what kind of cranks will do something regrettable.
REPLY: thanks, I’ll fix the email address, it was not intentional. – Anthony

Duke C.
October 27, 2010 1:39 pm

thia wolf
First-Year Experience Program, director
California State University, Chico
What exactly is a “First-Year Experience Program Director”?
A college freshman functioning as an intern? Very likely in over her head,. and probably jumped the gun extending an invite without understanding the format.
“The founders of the Chico Great Debate are dedicated to restoring civility, reason, and rhetorical argument into our public forums. Seeking to reinvigorate the public sphere as a healthy site of democratic practice, this project presents contentious issues in an arena that follows orderly rules of speaking and listening. We aim to “lead by example” and ignite a revived interest in our national tradition of constructive, civil discourse and argument.”
http://www.csuchico.edu/fye/greatdebate/index.shtml
If this is the case, you might want to lighten your stance a bit, Anthony.

rbateman
October 27, 2010 1:40 pm

It’s mighty poor business practice to disinvite those who could draw funding sources your way, especially in a political climate that might soon turn sour on the universitys current stance.
Smarter management would steer a more safer route… don’t you think?

George E. Smith
October 27, 2010 1:44 pm

So do you have any good feel for what level of technologistication they were contemplating for their Traditional Style of Civil Exchange ?
Does one eventually gather a reputation based on how many open discussions they have been disinvited to ?
You’ll be soon on a collision course with Lord Monckton for leadership of the club.

Malcolm Miller
October 27, 2010 1:58 pm

After all, THEY have said, “The debate is over!”

Editor
October 27, 2010 2:04 pm

Oh well. This is a better speaking platform anyway. Bigger audience and and a better record of the proceedings.

Joe Olson
October 27, 2010 2:04 pm

If your intention is to recreate the DARK AGES then why bother with electric lighting ?
Even compact fluorscent lights PALE in Earthiness to oil lamps and candles. We are all aware of the scientific defects of the AGW hypothesis, but the ‘other’ greenie agenda items are equally outrageous. Read “Green Prince of Darkness” and confront the Eco-freaks with the truth about solar cells and electric vehicles. How many condors have to be WACKED BY WINDMILLS before the Clima-clownologists can finally see the big picture ?
(This entire agenda is insane)

Greg Redeker
October 27, 2010 2:05 pm

Duke C,
Dr. Wolf is a professor in charge of a specialized program for first-year students at the university. She may be many things, but she’s not an intern.

Esther Cook
October 27, 2010 2:15 pm

I think this is a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act, and possibly a use of public funds to promote one side of an issue. If so you need to file your lawsuit in a timely manner.
You did mention, however, that a traditional debate is NOT suitable for you due to your disability. Perhaps you should help choose someone else who would be in a better position to use the format.
On the other hand, I think I spoke to you in Chicago this May, asking you whether we even could be sure the climate had warmed at all, given the irregularities your team uncovered with weather stations. I had no idea you had a hearing disability, and you gave me an appropriate reply. Intelligence can be FORMIDABLE in overcoming obstacles.

1DandyTroll
October 27, 2010 2:17 pm

The Chico state collage? Since when did Chico become a state? No wonder they can’t handle 20th century technology even.

Mark
October 27, 2010 2:18 pm

Anthony,
I appreciate your handicap, and regret that it will not allow you to participate in the Great Debate. Many in town will expect to see you up on stage, and will be disappointed by your absence
That said, you are not being singled out because of your beliefs.
The Great Debate is put on by the CSU, Chico Speech and Debate team, and is intended to improve civic discourse, i.e.. talking, among first year students. With the advent of smart phones and tablet computers, someday we may be able to show visuals to support our points in casual conversation, but at present that is not the case.
So, the organizers of the event are making this like a classic debate; no props, just words. It seems fair to me.
My tone on the last thread was hostile and confrontational. I deserved the response I got.
Thia Wolf was kind and cordial in her responses. She does not deserve the comments your fellow posters are dishing up. I hope you will agree, and reply to the same.
Thank you.

RockyRoad
October 27, 2010 2:21 pm

Had you just wanted to speak, eventually they would have disinvited you for intending to open your mouth.
These folks aren’t interested in the truth–they might just as well stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and yell “La La La La La” until they keel over from exhaustion.
That’s the current state of “climate science”. (I don’t know why they even have debates–after all, such things are so passe.)

hunter
October 27, 2010 2:22 pm

Since the enviro exremsits are losing on all fronts but still control too many venues, there will be more of this sort of wafflilng and bs’ing for the forseeable future.
Hang tough.
If this was an academic or work environment, you would have a tremendous ADA claim to pursue against this.

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