Let’s see, what would we make those nano-disks out of? He says (see PNAS paper below):
Silica-alumina ceramic hollow microspheres with diameters of 1 μm. (aka 1 micron)
Do you think putting nano-sized silicon based pollutants into the atmosphere will go over well? Silicosis anyone? From this report:
The micron-sized silica dust, which is ingested through the normal breathing process, coats the inner lining of the lungs (alveoli) and forms fibrous scar tissue that reduces the lungs’ ability to extract oxygen from the air.
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Respirable particles, which are less than 10 microns in diameter, are invisible to the naked eye. They travel through the respiratory system, eventually depositing themselves in the air sacs (alveoli).
I’ll give him points though for saying geoengineering is “inherently imperfect”, but I think his “cure” is worse than the “disease”. Just have a look at the material safety data sheet (MSDS) for the 3M Zeeospheres he’s proposing (see link below) and you’ll see what I mean.
From a press release at the University of Calgary.
Stopping global warming

There may be better ways to engineer the planet’s climate if needed to prevent dangerous global warming than mimicking volcanoes, a University of Calgary climate scientist says in two new studies.
Releasing engineered nano-sized disks or sulphuric acid, a condensable vapour, above the Earth are two novel approaches that offer advantages over simply putting sulphur dioxide gas into the atmosphere, says Dr. David Keith, a director in the Institute for Sustainable Energy, Environment and Economy and a Schulich School of Engineering professor.
Geoengineering, or engineering the climate on a global scale, “is inherently imperfect,” says Keith, who is in the vanguard of scientists worldwide investigating the topic.
“It cannot offset the risks that come from increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere,” he says. “If we don’t halt man-made CO2 emissions, no amount of climate engineering can eliminate the problems—massive emissions reductions are still necessary.”
Keith suggests two novel geoengineering approaches—‘levitating’ engineered nano-particles and the airborne release of sulphuric acid—in two newly published studies, one he solely authored and the other with scientists in Canada, the U.S. and Switzerland.
Scientists investigating geoengineering have so far looked mainly at injecting sulphur dioxide into the upper atmosphere. This approach imitates the way volcanoes create sulphuric acid aerosols, or sulphates, that will reflect solar radiation back into space—thereby cooling the planet’s surface.
One advantage of using sulphates is that scientists have some understanding of their effects in the atmosphere because of emissions from volcanoes such as Mt. Pinatubo, Keith says.
“A downside of both these new ideas is they would do something that nature has never seen before. It’s easier to think of new ideas than to understand their effectiveness and environmental risks.”
In his study in the Proceedings of the National Academic of Sciences, a top-ranked international science journal, Keith describes a new class of engineered nano-particles that might be used to offset global warming more efficiently and with fewer negative side-effects than using sulphates.
In a separate new study published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, Keith and international scientists describe another geoengineering approach that may also offer advantages over injecting sulphur dioxide gas.
Releasing sulphuric acid, or another condensable vapour, from aircraft would give better control of particle size, thereby reflecting more solar radiation back into space while using fewer particles overall and reducing unwanted heating in the lower stratosphere, they say.
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I’ve located the PNAS article here:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/09/02/1009519107.full.pdf
here’s the section on “nanodisks”
The Cost of Engineered Particles. Is it possible to fabricate such particles at sufficiently low cost? Any definitive answer would, of course, require a sustained broad-based research effort. The following argument serves only to suggest that one cannot discount the possibility: Approximately 10^9 kg of engineered particles similar to the example described above would need to be deployed to offset the radiative effect of CO2 doubling.
Assuming a lifetime of 10 years, the particles must be supplied at a rate of 10^8 kg∕yr. A plausible upper bound on the acceptable cost of manufacture can be gained by noting that the monetized cost of climate impacts and similarly the cost of substantial reductions in greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions are both of order 1% of global gross domestic product (GDP) (28). Suppose one demanded that the annualized cost of particle manufacture be less than 1% of the cost of abating emissions, that is 10−4 of the ∼60 × 1012 global GDP.
Under these assumptions, the allowable manufacturing cost is 60∕kg. Many nanoscale particles are currently manufactured at costs significantly less than this threshold.
Silica-alumina ceramic hollow microspheres with diameters of 1 μm (e.g., 3M Zeeospheres) can be purchased in bulk at costs less than 0.3∕kg. Moreover, bulk vapor-phase deposition methods exist to produce monolayer coatings on fine particles, and there are rapid advances in self-assembly of nanostructures that might be applicable to bulk production of engineered aerosols.
10^9 kg is one billion kilograms, or 1,102,311 short tons. I don’t have figures on how much silicon dust makes it into the air globally, but 1.1 million tons of silica nanospheres seems a bit hard to come by for a process. Cost may not be the biggest issue. Deployment and potential health effects are much bigger considerations.
LINK: Material safety data sheet (MSDS) for 3M Zeeospheres (PDF)
Here’s the company website: http://www.zeeospheres.com/
Do I want these in the free air? Heck no.
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“inherently imperfect”? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Sucking on a tailpipe is “inherently imperfect”, also. You might live thru it. What is wrong with these people?
Exactly how would these nanodiscs be launched into the air? What is the cost of putting the requisite several million metric tons of these aloft? Would this not require a massive manufacturing and launching program which would mostly contribute further to the very problem the nanodisks are meant to cure? I believe that Pinatubo lofted about 30 million metric tons of debris into the higher atmosphere. This is many times what we have launched into orbit with all of the orbital launches from all earthly space programs. If you believe that industrial activity on this scale causes global warming then this project looks like a big loser. This is not considering the health risks of such particles.
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Art Horn
Song lines come to mind…
“Why don’t we get drunk and screw”
“Lets do something cheap and superfical”
These people have no conception of “unintended” consequencies.
Aside from being a generally stupid idea, the nano-particles should at least be an inert carbon compound, coming from that camp. I believe diamond can be vapor-depositioned.
Thomas Fuller said:
“First, it should be obvious that the manipulation of the messages isn’t coming from scientists.”
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“What we need is a giant parasol, about 12,000km in diameter”, Prof. Balderick of [snip] University said yesterday.
It depends in part on the type of silica they’re using. For example, crystalline silica is much more dangerous than amorphous silica. Size also matters. Particles larger than 10 microns don’t deposit in the lungs very well. Particles smaller than 100 nm pass through the epithelial/endothelial cell barrier and get absorbed directly into the blood stream, and can even cross the blood-brain barrier. Particles between 10 and 1 micron will deposit in the alveoli. If they are engineered correctly (size, shape, surface coatings, etc), they can be “eaten” by macrophages (white blood cells) and cleared from the body. If the size or composition is wrong, they can definitely cause silicosis, fibrosis, and other very nasty diseases.
There are numerous in vitro and animal model systems for testing the toxicity of inhaled particulates. Hopefully someone will think about testing these particles before deploying them. (Give me a grant and I’ll be happy to do it for them.)
Silicosis or acid rain. That’s a great choice.
I’ll release some popcorn butter vapor and be prepared for the public discussion.
nano disks and sulfuric acid……..what could possibly go wrong? Well, we might have real problems to talk about then…..
These geo-engineering ideas will all come to nought as global cooling takes over. Then we can return to the good old days of building the Bering Strait Dam to stop the ice drifting south into the Pacific.
I don’t like these schemes either, but I think you’re exaggerating the safety aspect. The 3M sheet you linked sets the exposure limit at about 10 mg/m^3. A billion kg sounds like a lot, but even if it spread right through the atmosphere, it’s less than a microgram per m^3.
REPLY: That’s assuming a homogeneous distribution. As we’ve seen from other studies, concentrations of particulates don’t always distribute homogeneously, but sometimes “lumpily”. Bottom line: distributing something like this is a bad idea. If somebody wanted to do it for any other reason besides climate change it would be immediately denounced by greens worldwide. – Anthony
David Keith has done it once again! This guy is out of control, and his institute is paid for by bored retired wealthy oilmen who have taken greening everyone else’s life as a pet project. This is UofC at its worse.
In addition to other issues, calling those silica particles “nano” is a bit of stretch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanoparticle
Typically, nano is used to designate stuff less than a tenth that size, but what’s an order of magnitude among friends.
If only that were the only the problem with the paper…
“Silicosis or acid rain. That’s a great choice.”
Don’t worry it will only affect “deniers”… that’s how he’ll try to sell it LOL
Fools. What a bunch of dangerous fools.
The particles they actually propose to use are discs 10 microns in diameter and 50 nanometers thick, composed of aluminum, barium and titanium. At 10 microns, these things would get into the nose, trachea and upper airways but are unlikely to reach the alveoli. However, at a 200:1 diameter:edge ratio I’m picturing tiny little frisbees with razor-sharp edges. Trillions of them per gram. Anyone with upper airway disease (asthma, bronchitis) is going to be rather unhappy. I’d expect a lot of corneal scarring, too.
Think the EPA would deregulate PM10 to allow this little science project?
How can it be something “Nature has never seen before” to quote the article …
… if Volcanos do all the time ?
That is why every Major Scientist in Opposition REVERSED his position …
>> first Lovelock of the Gaia Theory, the #1 Environment Scientist ever,
>> then “Dr. Ozone” (Crutzen), then the Greens’ choice to Oppose him:
>> Caldiera (though most opposing statements still quote him) …
>> even the Presidential Global Warming advisor.
Does any opposition ever consider the really TINY amounts – – about 1/1000th of Pinatubo – – albeit at 5 sites if you want to Reverse Global warming, but what most advocate is to hold in reserve to use: AT _ONE_ SITE ONCE — to prevent an imminent Death of BILLIONS (in fact I would have squirted the Sulphur early this year, in ignorance that Clouds would come & slow the Runaway Ice Melt … Today, after a season of FRANTIC Cloud watching, I think we can predict which years will have FREAK SUN like 2007, & which will not. But when is was “only” a POSSIBILITY … what was wrong in risking $20 Million — that’s MILLION, not Billion – – to preclude – – given the uncertainties this Spring – – a 15% chance – – of 6 BILLION DEAD !
Certainly, as Lovelock said in the 1990s … given the risk, EVERY Government should have this “in their back pocket”, to use IF neccessary. Because an Ocean Current reversal like at the End of the Last Ice age, means 99% DEATH from High Winds destroying ALL above-ground structures = starvation (save near the Equator).
… And he first said that for his first Proposal, which cost 10,000 times as much = $200 BILLION (albeit once, costing only as much as a SINGLE year of “Cap & Trade”), and involved the risk of using 100s of times the Sulphur we’d use now.
We were doing that before we cleaned up the coal fired power plants -:), maybe we can just use them to emit particles again, of course then we would not need to fund govt and university work.
So, if the ‘heat’ doesn’t kill us suffocation will. This reminds me of the past medical practice of ‘bleeding’ patients.
We don’t know enough about the effects of aerosols or pumping dust into the atmosphere. The people behind the CAGW will have a lot to answer for it any of these nutty ‘climate control’ techniques are deployed.
Hey! This is what I’d term a malthusian-eugenics dream come true. They’ll cool off the planet and kill all or most of mankind in one fell swoop. I do question if the CO2 might not dramatically increase with all of us coughing our lungs out, though.
The engineering possibilities are quite interesting from a theoretical point of view. Particles that are paramagnetic, so they orient themselves in a preferred orientation to Earth’s magnetic field. Particles that incorporate UV-sensitive materials so they have a limited and defined lifetime. Particles that tend to remain aloft rather than settling out, due to directional absorption and radiation of heat that make them self-lofting (I’ll admit this is the least accessible to me).
Just save it for terraforming missions, please.
This is the scam in progress. Claim the man-made co2 rise ‘problem‘ is real (without any evidence it will lead to runaway warming) then create the ‘solutions‘ to tackle the ‘problem‘.
AGW scientists will soon become the new .COM bubble millionaires. Al Gore is not even a scientist and look at the millions of dollars he’s made so far. As for Pachauri and Glorioil / and other oil links – no comment.
They want to reverse “global warming”? It has dipped below freezing for two nights in a row now so if that’s their idea of “global warming”, where do I send the bill for the demise of my garden? To think they want to cool the earth even more is preposterous!
Add this to climate craziness?
http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2010/08/special-post-life-on-this-earth-just.html