People send me stuff. Alan Siddons writes in an email:
Researching for a paper that Martin Hertzberg, Hans Schreuder and I are writing, I chanced upon a chart that might intrigue or amuse you.
After temperature sensors were planted on the moon, you see, they reported an upward trend year after year. Too much CO2 up there?
Source: http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/docs/2650.pdf
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Interesting find Alan.
Of course this is old data. Apollo 15 landed in summer 1971, so this graph extends to summer 1975. Curious though, what could be the cause? Solar? Sensor Drift? LEM and remnants providing a local energy absorbing MHI of some sorts? Disturbed soil making an albedo change? Or maybe it was the SUV they abandoned on the moon? We’ll probably never know for sure.
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But there’s other extraterrestrial places that have hints of warming as well.
The Blog Prof writes:
Apparently, man-made global warming has gotten so out of hand because of SUVs and coal-chugging global warming skeptics that even the biggest planet in our solar system – Jupiter – is being affected by our addiction to carbon pollution. And that follows the other solar effects of our dependence on fossil fuels, including Mars losing its polar ice cap (what will Martian polar bears do now?), Neptune changing its reflectivity, Neptune’s moon Triton increasing in temperature by a whopping 5% due to the American energy-intensive lifestyle, and Pluto’s atmospheric pressure tripling due to higher temperatures because of Bushitler. From Yahoo! News via American Thinker: Jupiter Has Lost a Cloud Stripe, New Photos Reveal
This story was updated at 8:10 a.m. ET. A giant cloud belt in the southern half of Jupiter has apparently disappeared according to new photos of the planet taken by amateur astronomers.
The new Jupiter photos, taken May 9 by Australian astronomer Anthony Wesley, reveal that the huge reddish band of clouds that make up the planet’s Southern Equatorial Belt has faded from view.
Here’s the relevant pic:
Jupiter’s trademark Great Red Spot, a massive storm that could fit two Earths inside, is typically found along the edges of the planet’s Southern Equatorial Belt (SEB). When the southern cloud belt fades from view, the Great Red Spot stands out along with Jupiter’s Northern Equatorial Belt of clouds in telescope views.
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Change is in the air (or in space if you prefer).
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Obviously, Bush’s fault 😉
Sorry Triton, I know it’s because I eat cheeseburgers; all those cows.
Eeoww! If it turns out the sun changes those belts….
But, but, but… Solar Irradiation is totally static and never changes except the 11-year teeny tiny bump, the satellites say so, absolutely invariant. Now how can all of these hevenly bodies get warmer when the sun never changes? Believe me, some climatologist will take a grant to explain how and why. 🙁
Just ignore your eyes and common sense and trust their scientific peer-reviewed papers and drink if your that gullible.
My basic question of the day: What does the putative ‘atmospheric temperature’ of the Moon at a specific location at a given time mean?
“The Moon has an atmosphere so tenuous as to be nearly vacuum, with a total mass of less than 10 metric tons.[73] The surface pressure of this small mass is around 3 × 10−15 atm (0.3 nPa); it varies with the lunar day. Its sources include outgassing and sputtering, the release of atoms from the bombardment of lunar soil by solar wind ions.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon#Atmosphere
With an atmosphere that thin, is it even possible to measure atmospheric temperature? Wouldn’t the IR ‘noise’ from the lunar surface–not to mention the sun–completely swamp any atmospheric temperature ‘signal’ that one attempted to read?
In all seriousness, that Apollo data might be very relevant; its timeframe covers the beginning of the claimed AGW upswing. That does make it look like the the causation is solar, with the Martian data as confirmation. Thanks for posting this!
There was an deeper subsurface temp sensor on the Apollo 17 ALSEP, 2.3 meters. according to http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2010/pdf/1353.pdf the same long-term warming was seen as on Apollo 15’s site. However, i can’t find the actual data. I also can’t seem to find how long the Apollo 17 data spanned.
There was a similar experiment in Apollo 16, but it failed due to a broken cable.
The siting was well away (several hundred feet) from the LEM for Apollo 15 and 17, so I can’t see that having much effect.
There is an 18 year cycle to the Moon’s orbit that is theorized to be one explanation, but if the Apollo 17 data covers a different timeslice, it should be possible to see if its temp rise profile matches what the 18 year cycle would theoretically produce.
AGW theory is robust enough to encompass all warming events regardless of whether they are on earth.
It truly is worse than we thought. LOL!!
Jupiter’s southern belt has been fading for a while now. I think it finally disappeared while the planet was behind the sun (the night side). There are no polar bears on Mars, by the way. You’ve got them confused with penguins.
Any word on the runaway green house effect on Mars? Its CO2 percentage is about the same as on Venus. We have some temperature data for the planet, and I wonder if it might be useful as a “rural” station to help homogenize the average earth temperature, accounting for UH
IP. We shall have to consult with Dr Hansen.(For those of you with Google Earth, atop the page there’s a Saturn icon. If you click it, you can google Mars or the Moon.)
Hmm.. whats common about the heating systems of the Earth and the Moon. Could it possibly be the sun? Perish the thought. Some could be tempted to think if the Moon, without an atmosphere, were getting hotter, maybe the sun’s radiation was the cause. Could the moon’s temperature serve as a proxy for the the suns radiance? Could it be more accurate than tree rings?
But we all know that the warming on Earth has been caused by our cars and lawn mowers. How do we know? Al Gore, Hansen and Michael Mann tell us so.
how much will it cost to save the moon ?
OT – ‘grey literature’ is all okay to use in support of man-made global warming! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/7725266/Climate-body-chief-defends-use-of-grey-literature.html
The decrease in Mar’s south polar cap may reflect a change in the planet’s climate, because it has continued over three Martian “summers”, but changes observed in the planets and moons further from the sun may be seasonal. These orbits of these bodies around the sun take a long time to repeat, a time longer than the time over which changes have been observed. One article on Jupiter’s band loss states, for example, that Jupiter seems to lose this band every ten or fifteen years, which very roughly matches the period of Jupiter’s orbit. (Jupiter takes about 12 years to go once around the sun)
There is a faulty logic in presenting this info. Just because planet xyz has an increasing temperature, which is clearly not caused by human activities, does not mean that human activities do not cause temperature rises on planet Earth.
The extraterrestial info is a bit irrelevent since we alread know from the paleo record that the temperature of planet Earth can change without human influences. But that also suffers, because just because it did change without humans, does not mean that humans can’t change it.
It clear however, that there is very little, if any, evidence that humans have actually caused any detectable change to the climate. Yes, there are changes that have occurred coincidentally with the existence of industrialisation, but those changes cannot be attributed to industrialisation as opposed to “natural, internal forcings/fluctiations of a dynamic chaotic system” which would have occurred anyway.
Oh no! Europa’s melting! It’s all those nasty rocket exhaust gases put up their by NASA!
It’s gotta be something other than the sun:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1971/to:1975
Sunspot number was going down over that short period, so solar irradiance was probably declining, too. And remember that the moon has no atmosphere, or next to none, so the amount of radiation it receives pretty much determines the temperature.
Look, it’s all TOTAL coincidence that all these other planets and moons are showing warming right now. After all… erm… the vast majority of scientits (was that a spelling error?) agree that Man is the cause. (Strike one: consensus.)
And these are some of the most respected scientists in the world. (Strike two: Authority.)
And… oh yes – without the Greenhouse Effect we’d be a ball of ice. (Strike three: Strawman.)
And…err… did I mention it’s a coincidence? I mean, just like it’s a coincidence that the coast lines of different continents seem to fit like a jigsaw puzzle! See?! Oh wait, scratch that last one… erm… BIG OIL!
I wonder how Leif will explain this, probably by saying it is C**p and can’t be anything to do with the sun.
Oh, come on now! The astronauts has been driving around with their lunar vehicles up there for years by now. No wonder the temperature is rising!
OMG!
Proof Positive that it is all ‘our’ (= your) fault!
Global Warming via man’s polluting activities …. has causes such an increase in outgoing radiation that it is heating up the Moon ! And Heaven Knows what you have done to Jupiter, Mars, etc. with your mucky habits! Maybe even the Sun is affected!
Subtext; We ( aka You) are really really bad; Look! you have polluted the whole solar system! Wait ’til God gets home and finds out what you have done! Severe Punishment is in order; even death may not be sufficient!
PS; Shame Greenies don’t actually believe in God, or they would have a more benign safety valve for their misanthropism.
AGW = Anthropogenic Galactic Warming?
A.G.W What.A.Joke.
Why was not this integrated in al gores movie ? His belief reminds me of the maya culture where ritual killing was performed in order to pacify the gods . Are we as humans so important that we are able to change the universe ? Probably in universal studios only .
Apparently Uranus cooled between 1983 and 1998, at a time when the earth was warming up.
http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~layoung/eprint/ur149/Young2001Uranus.pdf
How could this be?
Amazing that we don’t yet know enough about Earth’s climate with all the data we have, but we can make positive announcements about climate change on planets and moons from scraps of information….
It would be great to see planetary climatic time series matched up with the solar cycle. Unfortunately, the extraterrestrial climate changes have been observed over very short periods, intermittently, and in some cases (like Mars) from only a fraction of the planet area. Still, it would at least approach something substantial to see if the extraterrestrial warming/cooling has been in sync (and whether or not it was actually global). A little bit of googling shows that the studies behind these generalised climate conclusions tend to emphasise internal climate dynamics rather than solar influence – which is not too surprising for celestial bodies further out than our own.
Well, we know it’s not the sun causing the Earth’s moon and planets to heat up. We’ve been told there a consensus on that. We’ve also been told there also a consensus that the plant Earth is warming up do to AGW. Therefore, I’m waiting to be told that the only possible cause for heating on the planets and the Earth’s moon is the AGW on Earth. All now makes sense.