Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
According to an article in the Hindustan Times by someone for whom English is a second language, I find:
Senior scientists at the Wadia Institute of Himalayan Geology (WITG) has rejected the Global Warming Theory and told that the Himalayas are quite safer zone on earth, where Global Warming has no role in controlling the conditions.
In an exclusive chat with HT, Director WIHG Dr AK Dubey has said that the conditions of Himalayas are controlled by the winter snowfall rather than external factors like much hyped Global Warming. He told that for a concrete result, at least 30 years of continuous research with steady outcome is needed to confirm the actual impact.
“According to a data for over 140 years available with a British weather observatory situated in Mukteswar (2311m) in Almora has actually revealed that temperature in that region witnessed a dip of .4 degrees,” he said.
So, as is my wont, I figured I’d go take a look. To distinguish urban from rural sites, GISS uses a “brightness index” which shows how much light comes from around the site as seen from a satellite. GISS lists Mukteshwar Ku as having a brightness index of zero, so they treat it as a rural station. Here’s the location per the GISS data, at 29.47°N, 79.65°E. It definitely appears to be a rural site.
Figure 1. Aerial View of the Mukteshwar Ku Surface Station locality.
Having seen the problems that occurred in Matanuska due to the application of a computer algorithm without quality control and checking, I next went to look at the record. Here is the GISS record for Mukteshwar Ku, before it has been subjected to the “homogeneity adjustment”:
Figure 2. GISS record of the temperature at Mukteshwar Ku before homogeneity adjustment
There’s a couple of oddities here. First, Dr. Dubey said that there were 140 years of temperature records from the station, but the GISS data covers 1897 to the present, or 113 years including the missing years.
In addition, it is clear that there has been some kind of serious change in the station. It is missing data from about 1993 to 1998, and when it starts up again the temperatures are much warmer than when it left off. (I can’t say exactly what years are missing, because curiously, the GISS server comes up with a “404 Not Found” when I ask it for the actual data.)
Seeing such an obvious problem with the data, I looked at the graph showing the temperature after homogenization to see how they had dealt with the problem … foolish me. I forgot that it was a rural station (brightness = 0), so it wasn’t adjusted at all. Sad to say, that’s the data that they used.
I’m used to not finding the data where I expect it to be, so to continue my analysis I just digitized the GISS graph so I could look at the effect of their leaving the data uncorrected. The gap was as I estimated, 1993-1998. Here’s that result:
Figure 3. Final GISS record of the temperature at Mukteshwar Ku. Note the difference in the trends when the recent data is included. Photo is of Nanda Devi Peak from Mukteshwar Ku.
As I said in my article about Matanuska cited above, the problem is that you can’t just devise a method for computer adjusting temperature data, apply it to all of the world’s stations, and call the job done. You need to look at and consider each and every station, as they are as individual as human beings. This is called “quality control”, and it is sadly lacking in all three of the major global temperature records (GISS, CRU, and GHCN).
Does this invalidate the GISS global temperature record? No. However, it does mean that they are not doing their job. They haven’t removed an obvious inconsistency in this case. How common is this type of problem? I don’t know.
But until they start over and do it right, it does mean that, like the baseball records of players who are known to have used steroids, the GISS global temperature has to be entered in the record books “with an asterisk” to indicate that lingering questions still remain.
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So, another WUWT post with no anomaly calculation….
Will you guys ever learn that All Respectable Climascientologists Always Use Anomalies.
There it is on the y-axis; Non-Relative temperatures!!!
QED!!!
How else do you expect to get anomalous results if you don’t follow the recipe???
RR
The Anticlimatic Baby and the Problematic Pup
Were playing in the garden when the Asterisk wandered up.
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Willis the Merciless strikes again!
You are absolutely right Willis. In the business world its called due diligence. If I submitted work that took shortcuts, even it the happened to came out close to correct, I could expect to be let go.
“According to a data for over 140 years available with a British weather observatory situated in Mukteswar (2311m) in Almora has actually revealed that temperature in that region witnessed a dip of .4 degrees,” he said.
So you find the climate has cooled off when you Return to Almora?
Has Patchauri been notified?
😉
Willis I got the “raw” combined Mukteshwar Ku data from GISS
See here:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/mukteshwar_ku.pdf
Missing part of 1993 Oct-Dec, all 1994 through 1998, and Jan 1999
Ruhroh,
Climate scientologists also don’t ascribe to old outdated notions of reproducability and falsification – I assume that’s ok with you too?
Question, if data quality like this was acceptable for drug development would you still trust it?
Ruhroh (18:37:34) :
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How else do you expect to get anomalous results if you don’t follow the recipe???
RR
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Reply:
I think the name of that “recipe” is “shake and bake”. Lose some, elevate some, it all comes out as an upside down cake. To Warmists it looks right-side-up, amazingly!
“According to a data for over 140 years available with a British weather observatory situated in Mukteswar (2311m) in Almora has actually revealed that temperature in that region witnessed a dip of .4 degrees,”
Ugh, now every time I hear/read Almora I instantly conjure up these horrific images of geriatric hippie orgies over at Patchy’s place. Somebody please make it stop!
it’s only words…
9 March: Reuters: Jeff Mason and Richard Cowan: Obama pushes climate change in White House meeting
Additional reporting by Timothy Gardner and Ayesha Rascoe; Editing by Russell Blinch and John O’Callaghan
Lieberman said the meeting showed Obama would make the bill one of his major goals this year and he left open the possibility of a controversial cap-and-trade system for the utility sector — under a new name.
“We don’t use that term any more,” Lieberman told reporters before the meeting, referring to cap-and-trade. “We will have pollution reduction targets.”..
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62833H20100310
Willis:
I had noted the same mysterious gap and discontinuity in the GISS record. It is kind of hard to miss. I wrote to Dr AK Dubey last week and today I received a pleasant but somewhat off target response from another scientist in the form of an article:
Accelerated melting of Himalayan snow and ice triggers pronounced
changes in a valley peatland from northern India
GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 33, L15709, doi:10.1029/2006GL026704, 2006
Unfortunately the temperature data they seem to use has the same discontinuity (See Figure 4). I can email it to you or to some third party if you cannot access it.
I have replied to the contact asking if they have access to the original raw data for the Mukteshwar, Kumaon location or if they can explain the discontinuity. I went looking on the internet for a local source of the raw data but could not find anything. Perhaps someone with a familiarity with the Indian Metereological Office can do some digging.
The data certainly makes it look like there was a change in station or equipment. Moreover it is pretty surprising given the subject of the paper that they did not try to extend the temperature and precipitation data series if it was available – both are truncated in 1995 which is where he discontinuity appears.
I will let you know if I hear anything definitive from my contact at Wadia Institute of Himalayan Geology.
One final note. This article is interesting in itself with respect to the state of the Himalayan Glaciers. Something is odd about the sources they use to support the overall argument that the glaciers are rapidly retreating.
Wow Ruhroh,
LOL – completely read over the climascientologist comment in your post before I responded. They don’t call me the sharpest marble for nuthin 😀
/palm->face
Anthony and Willis:
The caption for Figure 4 in the above mentioned paper reads:
“Figure 4. Seasonal climate anomalies (relative to the 1876
to 1995 monthly climatology mean) from the Mukteshwar
station (29.47N, 79.65E) and Indian Ocean Sea Surface
Temperatures (SSTs) over the last ca. 100 years. A 15-year
running mean was applied to all climate data. (a) A
comparison of Indian Ocean SSTs (1846 to 2001) trends
with summer monsoon (JAS) temperature anomalies. SSTs
anomalies are in hundredths of a degree Celsius. (b) Winter
(NDJF) temperature anomalies. (c) Summer monsoon
precipitation anomalies. (d) Winter precipitation anomalies.”
They seemed to have an additional few months of data at least. However, as I noted before, we should be able to locate the actual raw data for Mukteshwar.
Speaking of Mukteshwar. Here’s a nice study on aerosols based at this location.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2008JD011489.shtml
Anthony Watts (19:03:45) : edit
Thanks, Anthony. Dang, that’s a user-unfriendly format though.
Much appreciated,
w.
Willis I have the data is text form too check your email…
WP only allows posting by PDF files
A
…and Willis,
I’ve been giving it some thought and I think Darth Eschenbach has a better ring to it. Just a thought!
NickB. (19:13:25) :
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Question, if data quality like this was acceptable for drug development would you still trust it?
Please don’t go there, I’m starting to have issues with trust in the latest drugs. Have you seen the fine print on the ads?
We don’t know how this works, but we think this is how. It works pretty good for lots of people. With the reasonably low odds of permanent disability or death, we think you should try it as it’ has a good probability of helping with your condition.
Not quite as confident-sounding as the CAGW purveyors, and I’m not even sure if that is a good or a bad thing.
So do we have a way to get the raw data from the country of origin and google a pic of what the station looks like?
It occurs to me that it will be easier to do a better job when you know people are watching the details. It’d be nice if the watchers would also point out when the job is done well (or at least better). I’m not saying it hasn’t happened. Just a thought. Positive reinforcement works.
It seems pretty obvious to me what happened, from october of 1993 until september of 1997 they sent the german climatologist up the hill and asked him what the temperature was but the sensor wasn’t working so he said “Nein” but he was stuttering so badly from the cold they didn’t understand him and asked again.
Outraged, he relpied “NEIN…NEIN,NEIN.
And so it was recorded for the next 48 months.
Obviously he was unavailable for October 1997 but began again in November until his term was up in March of 1998
LOL
Is the data for temperature any good to use with human errors, data errors or malfuncting machines, readings from wrong places or none at the places that need to be?
Not to mention manipilating dta to fit a model?
kadaka,
I think that mistrust might be, unfortunately, well founded. I don’t have the link handy but I posted it to the tips and notes page. There was an article on Ars Technica talking about the over reliance on statistics for medical research, how it could (intentionally or otherwise) be gamed, how observational bias can taint observations, and how many statistical studies couldn’t be replicated in a controlled double blind experiment.
If statisticians were given the various climate variable records without knowing what each data set represented… what do you think the chances are that they would conclude that CO2 is the “control knob for the climate”?
@’There’s a couple of oddities here.’
Huh, considering that green and other leftists choose a fascist to put into a UN climate office? Discrepancies in temperature doesn’t seem so odd no more.
a new low for WaPo:
9 March: WaPo: Stephen Stromberg: Climate-change deniers take a lesson from anti-evolution activists
The similarities between the anti-evolution movement and climate change-denial seem to get more numerous by the day…
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/03/climate-change_deniers_take_a.html
“There’s a couple of oddities here. First, Dr. Dubey said that there were 140 years of temperature records from the station, but the GISS data covers 1897 to the present, or 113 years including the missing years.”
This condition is not confined to the Himalayan station, not by any means.
I find it almost EVERYWHERE I look.
It’s a real exercise to find station data that hasn’t been subjected to a bombardment.
I even emailed the holders of the raw data to find out about a station, citing thier station record indicating data that they should have. Nothing doing.
Maybe it’s a case of the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand did, but don’t bother propping up ramshackle model predictions with that kind of track record.