From Virginia Tech, a surprising study showing some biological benefit of melting glaciers.
Glacier melt adds ancient edibles to marine buffet

Glaciers along the Gulf of Alaska are enriching stream and near shore marine ecosystems from a surprising source – ancient carbon contained in glacial runoff, researchers from four universities and the U.S. Forest Service report in the December 24, 2009, issue of the journal Nature*.
In spring 2008, Eran Hood, associate professor of hydrology with the Environmental Science Program at the University of Alaska Southeast, set out to measure the nutrients that reach the gulf from five glaciated watersheds he can drive to from his Juneau office. “We don’t currently have much information about how runoff from glaciers may be contributing to productivity in downstream marine ecosystems. This is a particularly critical question given the rate at which glaciers along the Gulf of Alaska are thinning and receding” said Hood.
Hood then asked former graduate school colleague Durelle Scott, now an assistant professor of biological systems engineering at Virginia Tech, to help analyze the organic matter and nutrient (nitrogen and phosphorus) loads being exported from the Juneau-area study watersheds. “Because there are few reports of nutrient yields from glacial watersheds, Eran and I decided to compare the result from a non-glacial watershed with those of a watershed partially covered by a glacier and a watershed fully covered by a glacier,” said Scott.
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Hood and Scott’s initial findings, reported in the September 2008 issue of the journal Nature Geoscience (http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v1/n9/abs/ngeo280.html), presented something of a mystery. As might be expected, there is more organic matter from a forested watershed than from a fully or partially glacier-covered watershed. With soil development, organic matter is transported from the landscape during runoff events. However, there was still a considerable amount of organic carbon exported from the glaciated landscape.
How can a glacier be a source of the organic carbon? His curiosity peeked [sic], in spring 2009, Hood’s Ph.D. student, Jason Fellman, collected samples from 11 watersheds along the Gulf of Alaska from Juneau to the Kenai Peninsula. The samples were analyzed to determine the age, source, and biodegradability of organic matter derived from glacier inputs.
“We found that the more glacier there is in the watershed, the more carbon is bioavailable. And the higher the percentage of glacier coverage, the older the organic material is – up to 4,000 years old,” said Scott.
Hood and Scott hypothesize that forests that lived along the Gulf of Alaska between 2,500 to 7,000 years ago were covered by glaciers, and this organic matter is now coming out. “The organic matter in heavily glaciated watersheds is labile, like sugar. Microorganisms appear to be metabolizing ancient carbon and as the microorganisms die and decompose, biodegradable dissolved organic carbon is being flushed out with the glacier melt,” said Scott.
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How much? “Our findings suggest that runoff from glaciers may be a quantitatively important source of bioavailable organic carbon for coastal ecosystems in the Gulf of Alaska and, as a result, future changes in glacier extent may impact the food webs in this region that support some of the most productive fisheries in the United States,” said Hood.
*The article, “Glaciers as a source of ancient, labile organic matter to the marine environment,” was authored by Hood; Fellman, now at the Institute of Arctic Biology at the University of Alaska Fairbanks; Robert G.M. Spencer and Peter J. Hernes of the Department of Land, Air and Water Resources at the University of California Davis; Rick Edwards and David D’Amore of the Pacific Northwest Research Station of the U.S.D.A. Forest Service in Juneau, and Scott.
The research is supported by Scott and Hood’s three-year grant from National Science Foundation to study the impact of Alaska’s melting glaciers on the transport and fate of nutrients in coastal watersheds in the Gulf of Alaska.
Also as part of the NSF-funded research, this past summer, Scott and his Ph.D. student, Michael Nassry of Hopwood, Pa., along with biological systems engineering senior Andrew Jeffery of Fairfax, Va., who was doing a 10-week undergraduate research study with Hood, conducted the first hydrologic tracer experiment on a supraglacial stream — a stream entirely on top of the glacier. The helicopter company Northstar provided complimentary transportation to the base camp on the Mendenhall Glacier, where the team injected a salt, reactive nitrogen, and phosphorus over a 150 meter range, then collected water samples over a five-hour period. “At the end of the experiment, the helicopters were no longer flying, which provided the opportunity to sleep on top of the glacier,” said Scott. Samples from this experiment are still being analyzed, and initial findings will be presented at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union December 14-18 in San Francisco.
Learn more about Eran Hood’s research at http://www.uas.alaska.edu/dir/ewhood.html
Learn more about Durelle Scott’s research at https://filebox.vt.edu/users/dscott/web/
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At last, something positive from melting ice. Interesting that the carbon and other nutrients are coming from material buried 4 to 7 thousand years ago, aren’t we told repeatedly that glaciers have been there since the dawn of time? Imagine that a forest was growing there all those millenia ago, must have been warmer then I guess.
Oops, I should have said between 2.5 and 7 thousand years ago… have to read and re-read, then respond.
It sounds like the unprecedented current glacial melt was greater during the time of Moses than today.
If the carbon is from trees that grew there 2500-7000 years ago…
Didn’t they get the memo? The global temperature of 1979 was the optimal temperature. The extent of glaciation was just perfect. Any rise in temperature will bring only bad effects. Nothing good can come from any rise in global temperature…or from any decline, if it can be shown to be Mann-made.
His curiosity piqued. spelling correction please.
REPLY: You are correct on the spelling, but I’m going to leave it just like it is, since this is exactly how it was written from the University press office. -A
How does the existance of an Alaskan forrest under that glacier 7000 years ago match the Yamal proxy graph? Alalysis of tree species?
Oops, that tree ring serier starts in 1400. Never mind.
This is not at all surprising. Iceberg-rafted material has also been found to improve ocean productivity. There is still a tremendous amount of discovery to be made in the exciting field of glaciology and its relationship to the other Earth sciences.
I love the idea if my curiosity ‘peeking’. I mean, that is what it would do, if it could, right?
OK, I’ll shut up now…..
I never really saw much of a problem with melting glaciers, especially temperate glaciers in the Alps, Himalayas, etc. However, what if we were entering another glacial maximum? It may take hundreds or even thousands of years, but gradually, much of the most heavily populated regions of the World would become uninhabitable.
Warmer Is Better. Fight the Ice.
>>REPLY: You are correct on the spelling, but I’m going to leave it just like it is, since this is exactly how it was written from the University press office. -A
Perhaps you could use the convention of adding [sic] to indicate the fact that the misspelling is literally reproduced.
cheers,
gary
What nonsense; don’t they know thatr Carbon is a dangerous pollutant lethal to living things. All hits talk about beneficial carbon. These guys must be smoking something, and it ain’t carbon.
As for his spelling of at least three spellings for curiosity peeked; he certainly pikked the weirdest one.
His curiosity that peeked when it probably should have minded its own business, knowing that curiosity killed the cat.
But his curiosity could also have peaked, after which he just got bored with the whole thing; and forgot about it.
So on to piqued, and really; what are you supposed to make of that most common spelling; sure beats the hell out of me.
It will be interesting to see what the world looks like 50 years from now.
Isnt nature unpredictable and wonderous?
Is there a reference I can trust with sea level data including ocean levels if ALL of the ice melts? I remember Al Gore was talking about 30 feet in Inconvenient Truth, but I discounted it almost immediately because of the the obvious lies I was already parsing.
Damn. They’ve rumbled the secret no-see-um larder. Have to make do nipping humans now.
Please can we have part 4 of grandpa polar bear goes to bite Obama on the bum before bedtime for us in the UK?
So the carbon that was trapped by the glaciers winds up in the sea, where it will join the biological processes that sequester carbon as sediment.
Given how historically low the atmospheric CO2 levels are, and the ongoing converting of carbon to rock, I wonder if life on this planet has a built-in suicide mechanism. If man was not here burning the dirty fossil fuels, and volcanic output was insufficient, would the plants pull the atmospheric CO2 levels down to where they starve themselves to death, with all life that depended on plants for nutrition soon following suit?
As shown here, you can also see that carbon being used on land is also winding up in the oceans. I currently know of no processes where this sediment is broken down so the carbon may be used on land, acting on a timescale that may avert this ending of CO2-O2 cycle life.
Of course if the CO2 dropped too low everything would end up frozen over anyway, what with CO2 being such an important greenhouse gas and all… 😉
When I went to Glacier Bay, we were accompanied by a Federal Ranger who was an American Indian from the area. He told a fascinating ‘legend’ of how his people once inhabited the area but years of unrelenting snow caused the fjord or deep bay to become glaciated. Archeologist and cartographers have since confirmed the bay was much more ice free in historical times.
Charles. U. Farley (15:19:57) :
Isnt nature unpredictable and wonderous?
YEP !!!
Don’t fool(with) Mother Nature !!!!!
“kadaka (15:35:38) :
So the carbon that was trapped by the glaciers winds up in the sea, where it will join the biological processes that sequester carbon as sediment.
Given how historically low the atmospheric CO2 levels are
”
Don’t worry. I quote Mr. Courtney from an older threat:
Courtney:
“The total CO2 flow into the atmosphere is at least 156.5 GtC/year
with 150 GtC/year of this being from natural origin and 6.5 GtC/year
from human origin. So, on the average, 3/156.5 = 2% of all emissions accumulate.
…
http://nasascience.nasa.gov/earth-science/oceanography/ocean-earth-system/ocean-carbon-cycle
…
The diagram shows the amounts of carbon in the parts of the carbon cycle to be
the atmosphere 760 PgC (increasing at a rate of about 3 PgC p.a.)
the ocean surface layers 800 PgC
the deep ocean 38,000 PgC
plants and soils 2,000 PgC
”
So the oceans emit enough CO2 to stabilize it, acting as a buffer for terrestrial life. Which makes the question of CO2 emissions control seem rather silly.
Mr. Courtney has a paper about this:
Rorsch A, Courtney RS & Thoenes D, ‘The Interaction of Climate
Change and the Carbon Dioxide Cycle’ E&E v16no2 (2005).
Gil Dewart (15:05:27) :
There is still a tremendous amount of discovery to be made in the exciting field of glaciology and its relationship to the other Earth sciences.
How exciting can glaciology be? Who wants to study for it and enter the field? The glaciers will soon all be melted away, in too short of a time to get a good career out of it. Glaciology sounds like a waste of a good education and nothing more.
And you can check on that with the noted climatologist, the esteemed Dr. Al Gore! He has a Nobel Prize!
“kadaka (15:50:29) :
[…] The glaciers will soon all be melted away.”
No they won’t:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/more-evidence-co2-not-culprit/story-e6frg6zo-1225814230258
Has anyone mentioned soot?