NIWA issued a response statement regarding the charges leveled by The NZ Climate Science Coalition here:
http://www.niwa.co.nz/our-science/climate/news/all/niwa-confirms-temperature-rise
They say:
Warming over New Zealand through the past century is unequivocal.
NIWA’s analysis of measured temperatures uses internationally accepted techniques, including making adjustments for changes such as movement of measurement sites. For example, in Wellington, early temperature measurements were made near sea level, but in 1928 the measurement site was moved from Thorndon (3 metres above sea level) to Kelburn (125 m above sea level). The Kelburn site is on average 0.8°C cooler than Thorndon, because of the extra height above sea level.
I’m not too impressed, especially when you see where the weather station for National Institute of Water and Atmosphere (NIWA) is, right on the rooftop next to the air conditioners:

Here is the station survey: NIWA_station_survey (PDF) and the Google Earth KML file
Thanks to: Dieuwe de Boer who did a good portion of station surveys in New Zealand last year.
The NZ Climate Science Coalition responds:
NIWA’s explanation raises major new questions
The NIWA climate controversy took a new twist tonight with the release of new data from the government run climate agency.
Reeling from claims that it has massaged data to show a 150 year warming trend where there isn’t one, NIWA’s chief climate scientist David Wratt, an IPCC vice-chair on the 2007 AR4 report, issued a news release stating adjustments had been made to compensate for changes in sensor locations over the years.
While such an adjustment is valid, it needs to be fully explained so other scientists can test the reasonableness of the adjustment.
Wratt is refusing to release data his organisation claims to have justifying adjustments on other weather stations, meaning the science cannot be reviewed. However, he has released information relating to Wellington temperature readings, and they make for interesting reading.
Here’s the rub. Up until 1927, temperatures for Wellington had been taken at Thorndon, only 3 m above sea level and an inner-city suburb. That station closed and, as I suspected in my earlier post, there is no overlap data allowing a comparison between Thorndon and Kelburn, where the gauge moved, at an altitude of 135 metres.
With no overlap of continuous temperature readings from both sites, there is no way to truly know how temperatures should be properly adjusted to compensate for the location shift.
Wratt told Investigate earlier there was international agreement on how to make temperature adjustments, and in the news release tonight he elaborates on that:
“Thus, if one measurement station is closed (or data missing for a period), it is acceptable to replace it with another nearby site provided an adjustment is made to the average temperature difference between the sites.”
Except, except, it all hinges on the quality of the reasoning that goes into making that adjustment. If it were me, I would have slung up a temperature station in the disused location again and worked out over a year the average offset between Thorndon and Kelburn. It’s not perfect, after all we are talking about a switch in 1928, but it would be something. But NIWA didn’t do that.
Instead, as their news release records, they simply guessed that the readings taken at Wellington Airport would be similar to Thorndon, simply because both sites are only a few metres above sea level.
Airport records temps about 0.79C above Kelburn on average, so NIWA simply said to themselves, “that’ll do” and made the Airport/Kelburn offset the official offset for Thorndon/Kelburn as well, even though no comparison study of the latter scenario has ever been done.
Here’s the raw data, from NIWA tonight, illustrating temp readings at their three Wellington locations since 1900:
What’s interesting is that if you leave Kelburn out of the equation, Thorndon in 1910 is not far below Airport 2010. Perhaps that gave NIWA some confidence that the two locations were equivalent, but I’m betting Thorndon a hundred years ago was very different from an international airport now.
Nonetheless, NIWA took its one-size-fits all “adjustment and altered Thordon and the Airport to match Kelburn for the sake of the data on their website and for official climate purposes.
In their own words, NIWA describe their logic thus.
- Where there is an overlap in time between two records (such as Wellington Airport and Kelburn), it is a simple matter to calculate the average offset and adjust one site relative to the other.
- Wellington Airport is +0.79°C warmer than Kelburn, which matches well with measurements in many parts of the world for how rapidly temperature decreases with altitude.
- Thorndon (closed 31 Dec 1927) has no overlap with Kelburn (opened 1 Jan 1928). For the purpose of illustration, we have applied the same offset to Thorndon as was calculated for the Airport.
- The final “adjusted” temperature curve is used to draw inferences about Wellington temperature change over the 20th century. The records must be adjusted for the change to a different Wellington location
Now, it may be that there was a good and obvious reason to adjust Wellington temps. My question remains, however: is applying a temperature example from 15km away in a different climate zone a valid way of rearranging historical data?
And my other question to David Wratt also remains: we’d all like to see the metholdology and reasoning behind adjustments on all the other sites as well.
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This is the important sentence, methinks:
‘NIWA’s analysis of measured temperatures uses internationally accepted techniques, …’
Thanks to ClimateGate, we now all know what these ‘internationally accepted techniques’ look like, and we all know what ‘internationally accepted’ stands for.
The Climate Science cookbook will soon be published.
There is only one ingredient – Data
There is only one recipe – cook the data until it looks like what you want it to.
Data doesn’t mind being tortured.
That’s what I call “a case”.
I am looking forward to the response of this “scientists”.
When there is overlap, is it possible that weather stations tend to be moved due to change of usage in location – and that therefore they are more likely to be in UHIs at the time of their switch off. They therefore tend to be warmer than the replacement because they were warming up prior to being turned off. Is there any general tendancy for stations with overlaps to be warmer than their replacements?
Ah, I see… so because it’s “accepted” automatically means it’s right, right?
Perhaps that method is “peer reviewed”…
My favorite line is:
It reminds me of NOAA. Mmmm…. robust…
If there is an old site closing down and a new one opening up, why would they wanna splice them, regarding them as one station that has moved? There is the old station and the new.
Why not simply accept that some stations has data for a certain range of years and that other stations has data for other ranges of years?
When all stations have been averaged together, each and every station will only contribute with measured data, no adjustments (guesses).
Anyone knows about the urge to splice them and consider stations “moved”?
From the NIWA_station_survey:
“AS2922 compliant?
No: but not deemed necessary as site purpose is to monitor peak pollutant levels.”
Gary
The best thing to do would be to treat a new location as a new location. No attempt should be made to fake up the new location as if it were the same. Likewise when parking lots are added or trees cut down then the location should again be treated as a complete new data set. That would be a much more honest and accurate account for the data.
Question is, did the skeptics treat the new locations as such. If they didn’t then they need to.
So NIWA is taking the “circle the wagons” route, too?
I have always maintained that the real danger from the Alarmist crowd is that because of their wolf-crying over ‘global warming,’ no one will listen when (and if) the world is ever faced with a REAL man-made environmental disaster.
The final push for the IPCC: The Greenhouse DOES NOT EXIST.
Following an extensive theoretical analysis, two German physicists have determined that the term greenhouse gas is a misnomer and that the greenhouse effect appears to violate basic laws of physics.
“The point discussed here was to answer the question, whether the supposed atmospheric effect has a physical basis. This is not the case. In summary, there is no atmospheric greenhouse effect, in particular CO2-greenhouse effect, in theoretical physics and engineering thermodynamics. Thus it is illegitimate to deduce predictions which provide a consulting solution for economics and intergovernmental policy”.
This is what Hans Schreuder is telling for years now: http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com
Read the entire article and download a pdf here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/politics_and_greenhouse_gasses.html
Details, details. Just trust us okay? [pat on the head] Now go play with your hockey sticks. And watch out for those Yamal trees.
I would hope that you Kiwis are going to use a Freedom Of Information Act filing, if you have one down there. Hopefully expedited.
I got so ticked when I read:
” Wratt is refusing to release data his organisation claims to have justifying adjustments on other weather stations, meaning the science cannot be reviewed. ”
That’s the whole point of the problem.
What was ALL the raw data, how, why, and by how much was it homogenized, gridded, teased, etc.?
Which stations were not used and why?
“If you torture data sufficiently, it will confess to almost anything.”
-Fred Menger
Quite honestly, as a total Climate amateur, I could have done a better job of fudging data than these hacks seem to have done, (in both the US and New Zealand!). There isn’t even the veneer of scientific rationale present in any of their “adjustments”. As I’ve said several times over the years, I’m thankful that Cancer Research Scientists are slightly more ethical than Climate Scientists! A “cure” for Cancer would reap much more in $$ than “Global Warming Catastrophe” payouts, so I’m amazed they share data and protocols much more readily. Can any Climate Research actually be replicated?
This is a prime example of the utter disregard for the well-known climate zone theory. Climate scientists seem to not understand this phenomenon at all! Yet zoning of climate has been part of agricultural history for decades longer than many sensors have been in operation. Climate zones are understood by organic typography and altitude, as well as by non-organic typography (land use, urbanization, etc), in relationship to weather factors (weather data including extremes, jet stream location, typical pressure gradients, typical cloud formations, and storm type and history). To fill in missing data or to adjust the data of a new location by altitude alone is so incredibly uninformed that it escapes my understanding of why these people would call themselves scientists.
It reminds me of tree ring interpretations by a scientist who has never cleared or planted trees, nor logged and graded them in his entire life.
The direct linc to how the corrections were applied. Lower the old data by a degree. Lover the airport tarmac data by less than half a degree. Presto Chango.
http://www.niwa.co.nz/our-science/climate/news/all/niwa-confirms-temperature-rise/combining-temperature-data-from-multiple-sites-in-wellington
Hey Rob didn’t see your comment till now. Exactly right.
I think the proper terminology is now “climate analysts” and not “climate scientists”. What CRU and friends engaged in is not science.
Climatologist or climate scientist is replaced with “climate analyst”
Climate science is replaced with “climate analysis”
Example: “Phil Jones is a climate analyst at CRU which studies issues related to climate analysis”.
“NIWA’s analysis of measured temperatures uses internationally accepted techniques”
What are the odds that these ‘internationally accepted techniques’ are those from GISS, designed by the wonderful James Hanson. The man who has the most to lose if the AGW hypothesis is discredited. The man who has stated under oath in court that it is acceptable to break the law in furtherance of the AGW alarm agenda.
Alan
I was under the impression that the IPCC/Hadley/CRU approach was to take a mean for each station over some time period and to track offsets to show either warming or cooling trends. If this is done there should be no need for any such “adjustments”. Is this correct ?
Fred from Canuckistan . . . (10:52:30) :
The Climate Science cookbook will soon be published….There is only one recipe – cook the data
The Mann Hansen Briffa Santer Schmidt cake. But I think ClimateGate slammed the oven door while baking and the cake fell.
The explanation only seems to explain a portion of the adjustments on the graph. Check out the yellow (difference) line on this graph of the Wellington Station: . (You need to scroll to near the bottom of the document). They used the .79 adjustment for part of the time series but why did they make a MUCH LARGER negative adjustment for the period 1910 to 1930 (approx)? They managed to turn a historically very warm period into a below average period. Convenient! Gives a whole new meaning to “man-made” warming.
Why Climategate won’t stop the “Greens”:
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/lorrie_goldstein/2009/11/26/11929676-sun.html
Fred from Canuckistan . . . (10:52:30) :
There is only one recipe – cook the data
What’s the oven temperature setting for that? Are we supposed to adjust it up to compensate for cooler than expected temperature in the recipe?
Why is he refusing to release the other data???
Another IPCC lead going down in flames I guess.