Monckton climate change video goes viral

Video of Lord Monckton Warning of Copenhagen Climate Treaty Exceeds 3.5 Million Views in a Single Month

http://i43.tinypic.com/xm3btj.jpgLord Monckton giving a presentation – photo by Derek Warnecke

 

Minneapolis – A video of Lord Christopher Monckton warning of the impending Copenhagen climate treaty has received over 3.5 million views in 30 days, according to Minnesota Majority, the organization responsible for posting the original 4-minute excerpt of Monckton’s speech.  The organization says that its original clip, together with the 100+ cloned versions that now exist on YouTube, in total exceeded 3.5 million views as of November 15, 2009.  The video clip made Minnesota Majority the #1 most viewed Non-Profit & Activism channel in the month of October on YouTube.

[ Note: Also I have a link to the draft Copenhagen Climate Change Treaty here Monckton’s Powerpoint presentation used at that speech is available in PDF format here (warning large download 17.5 MB) - Anthony]

See the video below.

The video clip is an excerpt from a 95-minute speech given by Lord Christopher Monckton at an event sponsored by the Minnesota Free Markets Institute in St. Paul, Minnesota on October 14.  Monckton, former science advisor to Margaret Thatcher and a noted climate change expert, presented evidence dispelling the theory of man-made global warming.  He also warned that America’s sovereignty may be at risk if the United States signs the treaty scheduled to be negotiated at a United Nations climate change summit beginning on December 7 in Copenhagen.  Monckton says that the Copenhagen treaty will cede U.S. sovereignty, mandate a massive wealth transfer from the United States to pay reparations for ‘climate debt’ to third world countries and create a new ‘world government’ to enforce the treaty’s provisions.

Full video speech of  Lord Monckton’s speech. It is one hour and 35 minutes long.

The Monckton speech has spurred a national debate on the issues of man-made global warming and the Copenhagen Treaty.  His comments have been featured on Fox Business, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, The Wilkow Majority, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin and Breitbart TV.  An hour-long segment featuring Lord Monckton and Former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton was aired on the October 30th edition of the Glenn Beck Show.

The Monkton video also helped to launch a national petition drive opposing the Copenhagen Treaty as well as domestic cap-and-trade legislation.  The petition, which is hosted at www.NoCapAndTrade.com, has generated over 135,000 messages to Congress.

“The more people learn about the supposed issue of ‘climate change’ and how green extremists intend to control our lives, the more skeptical they become,” said Jeff Davis, president of Minnesota Majority.

Monckton’s message appears to be having an impact.  Last week, key US Senate Democrats said it is unlikely there will be any additional action on climate-change legislation this year.  The Obama administration had hoped to seal a deal on domestic cap-and-trade legislation prior to attending the Copenhagen conference in December.  Earlier this month, The Times reported that all hope is lost for a deal in Copenhagen and that a world treaty on climate change will likely be delayed by up to a year.

Davis warns now is not the time for treaty opponents to rest on their laurels.  “We may have bought ourselves some time,” said Davis.  “But green extremists will be back in-force trying to advance both domestic cap-and-trade legislation and an international climate treaty that will rob us of our liberties and grant government more control over our lives.”

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126 thoughts on “Monckton climate change video goes viral

  1. It sounds as if the Copenhagen Treaty is a bit like the Treaty of Rome, which eventually led to the European Union – it will be painfully slow, but it will only ever go in one direction. The USA would be well advised to have nothing to do with anything that cedes authority to a supranational entity.

  2. Great stuff. So concise.

    This man (along with Anthony, Steve and many others) should ALL get a Nobel prize. (Mind you, the value of those has dropped a wee bit in the past 2 years, eh? ☺)

    I sent this to my Canadian member of parliament. It looks as though the Canadian government will not sign anything without China and India. Sure hope so.

    Good luck with Obama on this.

    Clive
    Alberta, Canada

  3. Jellyfish?

    That’s nothing. Here:

    http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

    DaveF: The United States cedes some sovereignty with every international treaty it signs. As we know international treaties take precedence over national statute.

    I think we can agree that the Copenhagen Treaty is one we should steer clear of. It will not be the U.S. that torpedoes it, however. China and India will take care of it, at least in the sense that they will only support one that will never pass muster in the U.S. Senate.

  4. “The more people learn about the supposed issue of ‘climate change’ and how green extremists intend to control our lives, the more skeptical they become,” said Jeff Davis, president of Minnesota Majority.

    I put the post below on Tips & Notes, but given the above statement who wants to have their government put a GPS locator in their car? I wonder if the Duth will accept it?

    “Dutch first in Europe to adopt green tax for cars”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-first-in-europe-to-adopt-green-tax-for-cars-1821268.html

    “The Dutch government is to become the first country in Europe to introduce a green tax to replace annual road tax on cars.

    Drivers will have to pay per kilometer driven in a bid to end chronic traffic jams and cut carbon emissions. The system, which will use Global Positioning Systems (GPS) to monitor cars, could be used as a test case for other countries weighing options for easing crowded roads. Singapore has a similar scheme for charging according to the amount of travel. “

  5. It’s too bad we don’t have leaders like that. Look at the way he stands. Who does that remind you of in American History?
    Hmmm…… let’s see, our Founding Fathers were subjects of the King until…
    Oops, I’m drifting here. The message is “Don’t let your guard down”.
    Well taken. The Agenda will be back, after it licks it’s wounds, for another sneaky attempt at world domination.

  6. Tor Hansson 12:16:41:

    ” The United States cedes some sovereignty with every treaty it signs…” Yes, but not irreversibly. These clever politicians have now cottoned on to the idea that they can set up a new organisation that won’t give back that sovereignty without a fuss. This is how we here in the UK have got sucked into the EU. And they’re prepared to play a very, very long game; so, as rbateman says “Don’t let your guard down”. Best wishes.

  7. We need a counter-executive, to keep the system from bending the Constitution into a pretzel. The Supreme Court can’t get the job done these days.
    Can we hire Monckton?

  8. This man stated as fact, and in print, that the Chinese sailed around the arctic in the Fifteenth Century despite the fact that this claim had already been shown to be wrong. Even the Chinese don’t accept it. Honestly, if a loony Viscount like this is the best you guys can do, you are seriously marginalized.

  9. 3.5 million hits. Excellent. The thing that must really rile the alarmists is how the public flock to anything skeptical of climate change – Ian Pilmer, Lord Moncktons video etc. It just shows there is a real hunger for truth. No wonder Monbiot is so frustrated.

  10. If Viscount Lord Monckton was a “scientific advisor” to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and the same Prime Minister so eagerly jumped on the AGW bandwaggon, did she do so at the behest of VLM or did he advise her not to do so? Just wondering …

  11. Okay, nothing to do with climate change – speaking as a non-scientist novelist (but mother of a geologist) who’s horrified by the non-scientific nature of the AGW agenda – PLEASE get his title right. He’s Lord Monkton. Christopher Monkton to his friends, maybe, but the Chris bit is nothing to do with his title. Bizarre, but it’s the way it works, and we like to be precise and accurate on WUWT. Lord Christopher M is completely wrong – won’t go into it, but just call him Lord Monkton.

  12. Thiers (12:55:50) :

    This man stated as fact, and in print, that the Chinese sailed around the arctic in the Fifteenth Century despite the fact that this claim had already been shown to be wrong. Even the Chinese don’t accept it.

    Citations, please? And in keeping with the alarmist obsession, make sure they’re peer reviewed. Thanx.

  13. Has this administration and your nation not learned the UN lesson, where the United States is a founding member, paying most contributions, but every [not polite enought ~ ctm] (still a polite word for most of them) dictator is allowed to stand up there and scream about how bad this nation is?
    Do you American people really want to establish and fund another organization, in the name of saving climate and planet, with the main goal to destroy your economy, capitalism and finally America as an inspiring model for mankind?

    Do me a favour: Say NO.

  14. M White (12:20:00) :

    “The more people learn about the supposed issue of ‘climate change’ and how green extremists intend to control our lives, the more skeptical they become,” said Jeff Davis, president of Minnesota Majority.

    I put the post below on Tips & Notes, but given the above statement who wants to have their government put a GPS locator in their car? I wonder if the Duth will accept it?

    “Dutch first in Europe to adopt green tax for cars”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-first-in-europe-to-adopt-green-tax-for-cars-1821268.html

    “The Dutch government is to become the first country in Europe to introduce a green tax to replace annual road tax on cars.

    Drivers will have to pay per kilometer driven in a bid to end chronic traffic jams and cut carbon emissions. The system, which will use Global Positioning Systems (GPS) to monitor cars, could be used as a test case for other countries weighing options for easing crowded roads. Singapore has a similar scheme for charging according to the amount of travel. “

    The system is an horror.
    It’s expensive and totally obsolete because they will achieve the same effect by increasing the tax on gasoline.
    The only extra value is that the Dutch Government exactly knows who is driving where, an incredible breach of privacy.

    The Germans already stated that it’s a screw up and one of the political parties is gong to test it according to the European laws.
    I am confident that many Dutch won’t like the idea either.
    Freaking socialists.

  15. Vincent (12:56:22) :

    3.5 million hits. Excellent. The thing that must really rile the alarmists is how the public flock to anything skeptical of climate change – Ian Pilmer, Lord Moncktons video etc. It just shows there is a real hunger for truth.

    “It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him.” Max Planck

  16. Joseph D’Aleo predicts the possibility of cold coming for the US and Europe at the end of November and December as an episode of Stratospheric warming may have started.

    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/SSWNov25.pdf

    His conclusion is that most here can look for rapid cooling starting about the end of Thanksgiving.

    The Easterlies in the tropics replacing the westerlies according to him could cause water upwelling and cause the Kelvin wave to be pushed back west, ending El Nino sometime during the Winter.

  17. This man (along with Anthony, Steve and many others) should ALL get a Nobel prize.

    In a way, he has one. He was an official peer reviewer of the IPCC, so he shares a piece of the prize. (IIRC, he even has the official pin.)

  18. The Chinese Navy claim (based on a risible fantasy from Gavin Menzies, not sure if this counts as ‘research’, but hey if you’re going to rewrite climate science you may as well rewrite history while you’re about it) was in part one of Monckton’s piece in the Sunday Telegraph from November 2006. To be fair, he apologised and withdrew the claim a week later in Part Two. Presumably someone pointed out that his source was bunkum in the meantime. Shame about the other howlers. Shame he still hasn’t got round to addressing this latest batch.

  19. AGW is promoted by the same misguided grouping that promoted Rachal Carsons Silent Spring, which led to the banning of DDT and has directly led to the deaths of over 40 million humans 4/5th of which are children.

    The National Academy of Sciences concluded in 1965 that “in a little more than two decades, DDT had prevented 500 million [human] deaths that would otherwise have been inevitable.” The World Health Organization stated that DDT had “killed more insects and saved more people than any other substance.”
    In the two decades DDT was used no instance of any human or animal harm was ever observed, yet DDT was banned.

    The only way to permanently improve the lives of the third world population is base load power generation, which means coal powered generation, there is nothing else.

    http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/Carson.html

  20. I would like to thank everyone for doing their part in promoting awareness of the fact; the Weather is not our fault. We are not to blame for what the Climate does. One less thing to beat ourselves up over is a good thing.

    I’ve been renovating my new house in the past few weeks that Deutsche Bank gave me for next to nothing, so I haven’t been able to blog much lately on this important climate issue.

    Again, I thank you all for helping to wake up the world.

  21. 3.5 million hits sounds good and it’s a wonderful result, but it’s still not enough.
    Obama will talk to the Chinese Leadership until their ears fall off for support on his Climate Bill and the Copenhagen treaty.

    Don’t ask me why but I have a nasty feeling about it.

    If he pulls it off he will be the “green hero” who saved the “deal”.

    I think the biggest battle is ahead of us and I am glad to have Lord Monckton on our side but we are not out of the woods by a long shot.

    We have to kill and bury the entire Climate deal and quit the the UN.

  22. Slightly OT, but Russian President Medvedev recently said: “If we don’t take joint action, the consequences for the planet may be very distressing to the point that the Arctic and Antarctic ice can melt and change ocean levels,” he said

    This shows he doesn’t understand High School physics. If 100% of the arctic ice melted, the effect on sea level would be zero. That ice is already displacing its mass in the water. Only snow or ice on land can melt and add to sea level. How do we get such innumerate leaders?

  23. Who cares if he is wrong?? The Monkfish has spoken; the Monkfish gets lots of hits (YouTube rules!); blog science *wins* whatever the alarmists might say! I’d rather have a baboon spouting sensible nonsense than a scientist trying to bamboozle me with tree-rings, dodgy stats and whatnot on graph paper any day!

    And I see that Arctic sea ice is on the up again, which is surely a good thing? (Or so my polar bear chums tell me…)

  24. There is 250 million tons of water on Earth for every man, woman, and child on the planet.

    An olympic size swimming pool has 660,000 US gallons of water, which is approximately 2,756 tons of water.

    If my math is somewhat accurate there is, 90,711 olympic size swimming pools of water for every man, woman, and child on the planet. That’s a lot of water.

  25. Dan (13:40:35) :

    Slightly OT, but Russian President Medvedev recently said: “If we don’t take joint action, the consequences for the planet may be very distressing to the point that the Arctic and Antarctic ice can melt and change ocean levels,” he said

    This shows he doesn’t understand High School physics. If 100% of the arctic ice melted, the effect on sea level would be zero. That ice is already displacing its mass in the water. Only snow or ice on land can melt and add to sea level. How do we get such innumerate leaders?

    Dan,
    The Russians will make money if we take the suicide track.
    They will get European grands because the use of natural gas reduces CO2 emissions, Europe will become more dependable from Russian gas and against the time we sink into a permanent depression (together with the rest of the free world) Europe will be up for grabs.

    Of course the Russian play their former adversary to commit suicide.

  26. Thiers (12:55:50) :
    This man stated as fact, and in print, that the Chinese sailed around the arctic in the Fifteenth Century despite the fact that this claim had already been shown to be wrong. Even the Chinese don’t accept it. Honestly, if a loony Viscount like this is the best you guys can do, you are seriously marginalized.

    I call your Lord Monckton and go all in with one Mann et al, one Briffa et al, and one Steig et al.

  27. Apparently AGW hasn’t delayed the start of the first snow of the year here in Wichita, there’s no snow accumulating here, but it is snowing today even though it’s warmer in Nebraska, the reason being an upper level low dragging cold air into Kansas from Colorado.

    For every year I remember snow has often been first seen in late November to early December, there was one year with an October snow but that was after Mt. Pinatubo erupted.

  28. Belmont Club has a thread which may be of interest.

    Sample:

    “123. Konyok:

    twobyfour,

    I’m not sure that I completely buy it. Each ring of gaussian grid elements, stepping poleward, would have to be attributed with special rules for insolation, albedo, thermal conductivity, etc. It IS doable, but damned difficult to avoid artifacts and error propagation.

    Of course, my perspective is biased. I’m accustomed to multi-layered model spaces where the earth’s curvature is not an important consideration. I can almost accept the possibility of modeling with a gaussian grid as long as it is only one layer thick – treating the atmosphere of the earth as a single surface. Spatial models by necessity rely upon a moving window of neighborhood functions – a grid element is evaluated with its neighbors, the window moves on and evaluates the next element with its neighbors and then feeds back to the previous element iteratively. Pretty straightforward on a 2d surface, the gaussian grid would require special rules for how the window’s algorithms treats each element, but, it is doable. However, when the model has more than one layer, the window must evaluate 3d neighborhoods adding incredibly complex considerations of how to treat the different kinds of boundaries between elements.

    How to calibrate all of this complexity?”
    …-

    “High Society

    “The Telegraph explains what Lord Smith of Finsbury believes is necessary to Save The Earth. The idea is simple: everyone should be given a ration coupon corresponding to a carbon allowance. The free people of the world may thereafter go about their business, provided they pay out of their carbon allowance for everything they do.”

    http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/15/high-society/#comments

  29. Phil Clarke (13:33:07) wrote :
    The Chinese Navy claim (based on a risible fantasy from Gavin Menzies, not sure if this counts as ‘research’, but hey if you’re going to rewrite climate science you may as well rewrite history while you’re about it) was in part one of Monckton’s piece in the Sunday Telegraph from November 2006. To be fair, he apologised and withdrew the claim a week later in Part Two. Presumably someone pointed out that his source was bunkum in the meantime. Shame about the other howlers. Shame he still hasn’t got round to addressing this latest batch.

    Phil,

    Thanks for beating me to posting the link to the Journal of World History piece on the Chinese in the Arctic nonesense. And I’m glad to know that Monckton withdrew the claim. I only wish the Telegraph would add that retraction as a modification to the original article. A student of mine was sent Monckton’s original piece from the Telegraph and quoted it in a term paper. Ouch!Climate change skepticism really has brought anti-science back and these poor children are at the mercy of their inboxes.

  30. Beautiful Longfellow verse at the end. If a certain South American poster were still here, he would add,

    To The States
    — by Walt Whitman
    To the States or any one of them, or any city of the
    States, Resist
    much, obey little,
    Once unquestioning obedience, once fully enslaved,
    Once fully enslaved, no nation, state, city of this earth, ever
    afterward resumes its liberty.

    (Although I usually don’t go in much for tipping points.)

  31. Ron de Haan (13:49:50) :

    The West has the same level of mentality as the idiot that teenagers goad into jumping into something rotten, promising to follow after he goes first.
    The Putin & Jintao will simply say sure, go ahead, after you.

  32. Tim Clark (13:51:26) :

    The difference between Monckton and the Agenda riff-raff is that he is man enough to admit he made a mistake. Can’t say there is any honor to be found in the other side.

  33. I give thanks that there are guys like Monckton around. He is persistent and won’t let his guard down as he knows how politicians operate.

    However I can’t help an ironic smile whenever he is quoted at being “Monckton, former science advisor to Margaret Thatcher…”

    “Before the 1980s this hypothesis was usually regarded as a curiosity because the nineteenth century calculations indicated that mean global temperature should have risen more than 1°C by 1940, and it had not. Then, in 1979, Mrs Margaret Thatcher (now Lady Thatcher) became Prime Minister of the UK, and she elevated the hypothesis to the status of a major international policy issue. ”

    “So, early in her global warming campaign – and at her personal instigation – the UK’s Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research was established…..”

    http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm

    He started at the Policy Unit in 1982, where he worked until 1986 as a special advisor on economic matters. I only he knew then what he knew now.

  34. Considering Monckton is known for just making things up and uttering some of the deepest nonsense in the skeptic realm, then having his video go viral isn’t exactly something we should be proud of. No wonder we’re mocked about our ignorance of basic science and the rules of logic. Make him stop, please, someone make him stop.

    REPLY: Before judging Monckton too harshly, you might want to have a look at the latest Al Gore video here:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/16/gore-has-no-clue-a-few-million-degrees-here-and-there-and-pretty-soon-were-talking-about-real-temperature/

    We’ll look forward to your comments about that – A

  35. Phil Clarke (13:33:07) :

    The Chinese Navy claim (based on a risible fantasy from Gavin Menzies, not sure if this counts as ‘research’, but hey if you’re going to rewrite climate science you may as well rewrite history while you’re about it)

    Phil… I’ve got a suspicion you know nothing about China, Chinese History or anthropology. Menzies hasn’t convinced me, but his thesis is both plausible and technologically feasible. Don’t like the idea that the slopes may have beaten us? Bugger off. In case you are wondering, I speak fluent Chinese, lived fourteen years in China and am a full, voting member of the American Anthropology Association.

  36. Whatever happened to opposition in politics, almost every single politician is trying to ride the climate change train. I’d probably vote for just about anyone who opposed this nonsense, but no matter which party it is on climate they are all just as bad as the UK BNP party in attempting to order in a new Nazi regime.

  37. Write to your local politicians and put the heat on them. Mine had a speech a couple of weeks ago where he said;

    “It is not about whether individual politicians here in this place, members of parliament, believe in climate change or not.”

    “The scheme we debate here should not be about even what the government is doing, because ultimately it is about what individuals do,”

    I was horrified. And this from the Opposition! no wonder its sailing through! Take them to task, start your own blogs, expose their hypocrisy – make them think about the ramifications their behavior is having.

    http://twawki.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/no-wonder-we-are-in-this-mess/

  38. Phil Clarke (13:33:07) :

    “The Chinese Navy claim (based on a risible fantasy from Gavin Menzies, not sure if this counts as ‘research’, but hey if you’re going to rewrite climate science you may as well rewrite history while you’re about it)”

    Got that link to someplace that doesn’t charge an arm and a leg to read it? If you are going to demolish someone elses research, at least put it out in the open for anybody to read and judge for themselves. Creating economic barriers to science is one reason the hoi polloi doesn’t believe the alarmists, they hide so much of it behind walls.

  39. How could a treaty ever override the constitution?
    and
    If the US wanted to abandon a treaty, any treaty, how would anyone prevent the US from just dropping it?

  40. Hannon’s viral Youtube video castigating the British PM at the EU eventually got a grudging acknowledgement from the BBC after a full week, with heading for 1m views.

    Monckton’s Youtube global warning is yet greeted by deafening silence from the BBC after a full month, and 3.5 m views.

  41. While I enjoyed Lord Monckton’s presentation. Since I could not see the slides as he presented – I downloaded the pdf.

    Quite frankly, I was shocked and horrified at how bad this important information was presented. Monckton needs to read and use Nancy Durate’s book: Slide:ology – the art and science of creating great presentations

    Nancy’s firm was repsonsible for Al Gore’s slide show – the one that finally got people to listen to him. If she can make Al Gore look good – just think what someone like her could do with real facts.

    Something simple as consistent formating would be a big improvement

  42. Rob (13:33:48)

    http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/100-things-about-ddt-dissecting-10/

    DDT is a persistent poison – it does not quickly break down to safe compounds.

    Mosquitoes breed rapidly and DDT resistant strains were developing. To continue to spray DDT to eradicate the non resistant mosquitoes would be pointless. Why poison the world eradicating fewer and fewer mosquitoes

    From 1952:

    http://www.ajtmh.org/cgi/content/abstract/1/3/389

    http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/control_prevention/vector_control.htm

    Resistance to DDT and dieldrin and concern over their environmental impact led to the introduction of other, more expensive insecticides. As the eradication campaign wore on, the responsibility for maintaining it was shifted to endemic countries that were not able to shoulder the financial burden. The campaign collapsed and in many areas, malaria soon returned to pre-campaign levels

    In Greece, in the late nineteen-forties, for example, a malariologist noticed Anopheles sacharovi mosquitoes flying around a room that had been sprayed with DDT. In time, resistance began to emerge in areas where spraying was heaviest. To the malaria warriors, it was a shock. “Why should they have known?” Janet Hemingway, an expert in DDT resistance at the University of Wales in Cardiff, says. “It was the first synthetic insecticide. They just assumed that it would keep on working, and that the insects couldn’t do much about it.”

    http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Actives/ddt.htm

    Human exposure
    Analysis of human fat has been carried out occasionally in the UK showing that DDT can persist for many years. Analysis of 203 samples of mostly renal fat showed 99% contained detectable residues of DDT (see table 3)(24). Many of the levels found are above effect-level exposures required to elicit a carcinogenic response in test animals (see mice studies above). They are also well above the life-time safety exposure limit ADI of 0.02 mg/kg body weight.

    Resistance
    Many insect species have developed resistance to DDT. The first cases of resistant flies were known to scientists as early as 1947, although this was not widely reported at the time(39). In the intervening years, resistance problems increased mostly because of over-use in agriculture. By 1984 a world survey showed that 233 species, mostly insects, were resistant to DDT(40). Today, with cross resistance to several insecticides, it is difficult to obtain accurate figures on the situation regarding the number of pest species resistant to DDT

    40 years ago, in 1969, DDT was freely available world wide. Sweden banned the stuff from agricultural use in 1970; the U.S. followed with a ban on agricultural use of DDT, especially sprayed from airplanes. DDT for fighting malaria has always been a feature of the U.S. ban. As a pragmatic matter, DDT manufacture on U.S. shores continued for more than a dozen years after the restrictions on agricultural use of the stuff. In an ominous twist, manufacture in the U.S. continued through most of 1984, right up to the day the Superfund Act made it illegal to dump hazardous substances without having a plan to clean it up or money to pay for clean up — on that day the remaining manufacturing interests declared bankruptcy to avoid paying for the environmental damage they had done. See the Pine River, Michigan Superfund site, or the Palos Verdes and Montrose Chemical Superfund sites in California, the CIBA-Geigy plant in McIntosh, Alabama, and sites in Sand Creek, Colorado, Portland, Oregon, and Aberdeen, North Carolina, for examples.

    http://www.ehs.ucsb.edu/units/labsfty/labrsc/lstoxicology.htm

    TOXICITY RATING CHART (oral)
    Toxicity Rating Oral Acute LD50 for Rats
    Extremely toxic 1 mg/kg or less (e.g., dioxin, butulin toxin)
    Highly toxic 1 to 50 mg/kg (e.g., strychnine)
    Moderately toxic 50 to 500 mg/kg (e.g., DDT)
    Slightly toxic 0.5 to 5 gm/kg (e.g., morphine)
    Practically nontoxic 5 to 15 gm/kg (e.g., ethyl alcohol)

    DDT was abandoned not because of greenies but because
    it was becoming ineffective
    It was killing other beneficial bugs.
    the money dried up
    It was being improperly applied

  43. “His comments have been featured on Fox Business, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, ……., Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin…… ”

    these people have no credibility in most of america. a bunch of liars and weasels almost everyone of them. I would be ashamed and humiliated to be affiliated with them.

  44. Jakers (16:29:57) :
    How could a treaty ever override the constitution?
    and
    If the US wanted to abandon a treaty, any treaty, how would anyone prevent the US from just dropping it?

    You are correct of course. Nobody could stop the US from just dropping it. But, the big problem is that in order to “just drop it” there will have to be a political will to do so. And, believe me, that’s where the problem will be. Once signed up, your politicians of both main parties will gradually be persuaded that it is in the US’s interest to remain committed to the treaty. Over time, the treaty will steadily change and strengthen. At each revision of the treaty, you (Joe Public) will be told that the change is only cosmetic and necessary to “tidy things up”. But, in reality, the treaty will be extending out from it’s original aims and encompassing more and more of your daily life (climate change is just the way in). More and more of the decisions about how your country is run will be made from the UN building rather than Capitol Hill. When you all finally realise what is going on and demand that your politicians pull back, you will be told how “it’s too late now” and they will tell you how pulling out now would destroy your economy and cost thousands and thousands of American jobs, etc, etc. It won’t happen quickly. This will be a very slow burn. But happen it will and this Copenhagen thing (or later treaty if this one doesn’t work out) will be the first step. Think it won’t happen? Look no further than us in the UK and Europe. We are about to get a European President and Foreign Minister etc, that none of us asked for, none of us got to vote for and yet who will, nonetheless, speak for us on the world stage. Short of armed insurrection, there is nothing we can do to stop it. Study how this was done over a period of nearly 50 years. Bit by bit by tiny bit. Read up on it. You need to. Because now it’s coming to America.

  45. I’m a Brit & dismayed at how our politicians have sold us, (and our allies), down the river.

    No-one asked ME if I wanted to screw over the Kiwis, (for instance), in favour of the EEC!

    Things have got progressively worse since, with various treaties.

    We’re now looking at an unelected Federal State of Europe!

    It was bad enough that our government had already ceded power to the European Commission, (unelected), they have now imposed a federal state against most peoples wishes!

    Don’t let the U.S.A. sleepwalk into this one!

    DaveE.

  46. “Ron de Haan (13:25:12) :
    It’s expensive and totally obsolete because they will achieve the same effect by increasing the tax on gasoline.”

    Just increasing the tax on gas has 2 great disadvantages:

    1) You do not need all these additional bureaucrats to administer it.
    2) Many Dutch would just drive to Luxembourg, where the politicians are much smarter and the gas prices lower, and fill her up there. Which would greatly annoy the rest of Holland.
    3) Do not forget: Holland is the place where they sell Marijuana in “coffee shops”.

  47. bud dingleberry (18:40:55) :

    “His comments have been featured on Fox Business, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, ……., Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin…… ”

    Bud, you left out my favorites: Ann Coulter and Hannity

  48. bud dingler (18:40:55) :

    “His comments have been featured on Fox Business, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, ……., Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin…… ”

    these people have no credibility in most of america. a bunch of liars and weasels almost everyone of them. I would be ashamed and humiliated to be affiliated with them.

    “Bud, you left out my favorites: Ann Coulter and Hannity”

    If it turns out they were right on global warming, and no one else would give its critics a platform, they’ll have plenty of credibility.

  49. Gene Nemetz (19:26:22) :

    If I were younger, I would gladly make the move except for the imminence of your joining us in a similar state.

    I will stay with my family & fight with my posters & letters to try & change things here.

    Sample poster.

    CO2 is innocent!

    CO2 has been convicted in a summary court marshal, (without right of appeal), of a crime it did not commit, to whit, global warming!

    Climate has always changed but some wish to blame mans emissions of CO2 to gain further controls over YOUR life!

    Just a small poster :-)

    DaveE.

  50. Michael

    Without calculating it myself, I would guess that your estimate of water is off by many orders of magnitude. Unless you meant fresh water. In which case I would guess that its still off a few orders of magnitude.

    Bud,

    Please elaborate upon what lies your villains espouse. Disagreement with opinions of certain people, does not make them liars. Check your premesis.

  51. The National Academy of Sciences concluded in 1965 that “in a little more than two decades, DDT had prevented 500 million [human] deaths that would otherwise have been inevitable.” The World Health Organization stated that DDT had “killed more insects and saved more people than any other substance.”

    I think the National Academy pulled a typo on the number of people saved — at a million deaths a year, 500 million lives saved would take 500 years — but the important thing to know is that in that document, NAS said that DDT was so dangerous that, despite its value as a bug killer, it must be phased out and replaced.

    Don’t you find it just a little odd that the only places where malaria has been eradicated are places that DDT is no longer used, and that where DDT is still used, malaria still runs rampant?

  52. bill (18:13:22]

    http://www.ehs.ucsb.edu/units/labsfty/labrsc/lstoxicology.htm

    TOXICITY RATING CHART (oral)
    Toxicity Rating Oral Acute LD50 for Rats
    Extremely toxic 1 mg/kg or less (e.g., dioxin, butulin toxin)
    Highly toxic 1 to 50 mg/kg (e.g., strychnine)
    Moderately toxic 50 to 500 mg/kg (e.g., DDT)
    Slightly toxic 0.5 to 5 gm/kg (e.g., morphine)
    Practically nontoxic 5 to 15 gm/kg (e.g., ethyl alcohol)

    I’d take this information with a very large grain of salt. The quote below is from the MSDS for morphine sulfate.

    LD50 = 461 mg/kg (rat, oral), 600 mg/kg (mouse, oral). Human lethal dose by ingestion is 120-250 mg of morphine sulfate.

  53. Admittedly Monckton overstates the case for the DDT ban’s culpability for the ensuing increase in malaria deaths and while he is not right about this neither is he entirely wrong. As I perceive it, Monckton has quite reasonably concluded that you don’t go into a gunfight armed with a knife, or, as those who still cling to the notion that rationality and pure science will save us from our doomed fate, a dull plastic spork. The alarmists despise him because he has successfully adopted their own hyperbolic propaganda techniques and uses them more artfully than they do themselves.
    But make no mistake about this, the threat we face from the alarmists unfolding schemes is as great as anything short of a dozen of Bin Laden’s thugs roaming the countryside with a suitcase nuke per man. We need every ally we can acquire in this struggle and if you are inclined to dismiss people arguing your side because they might besmirch the escutcheon of “pure science” I’ve got news for you. That ship has already sailed. “Scientists” are widely, and probably rightly, perceived as the whores of the Age, who, if you have a large enough satchel of grant money, will produce a study for you to support whatever agenda you have in mind.
    The leftists have never had a problem with this, as you will recognize if you’ve observed any of the history of the last 50 years. No matter how scandal ridden or despicable their comrades are, they never go under the bus until their usefulness has ended.
    I hope you will excuse the tone of this rant, but I’ve found myself increasingly angered by the almost Stockholm Syndrome like tendency of many here to adopt the rhetorical framework of the alarmists. We don’t need to be arguing about who’s a peer or who is peer reviewed, we need to be concerned about our freedom and our lives, and those of our children and grandchildren. Because if these people succeed in implementing their plans, and despite the apparent turn in the tide of public opinion I see no reason to be too sanguine about the chances that they won’t, the lives our descendants face in the future will be much different and much diminished from the lives we’ve enjoyed.
    Back to the point I had originally intended to make when I started typing this, here is a rather large nugget from WHO’s archives.

    WHO gives indoor use of DDT a clean bill of health for controlling malaria

    WHO promotes indoor spraying with insecticides as one of three main interventions to fight malaria

    15 SEPTEMBER 2006 | WASHINGTON, D.C. — Nearly thirty years after phasing out the widespread use of indoor spraying with DDT and other insecticides to control malaria, the World Health Organization (WHO) today announced that this intervention will once again play a major role in its efforts to fight the disease. WHO is now recommending the use of indoor residual spraying (IRS) not only in epidemic areas but also in areas with constant and high malaria transmission, including throughout Africa.

    Related links
    :: Malaria health topic
    “The scientific and programmatic evidence clearly supports this reassessment,” said Dr Anarfi Asamoa-Baah, WHO Assistant Director-General for HIV/AIDS, TB and Malaria. “Indoor residual spraying is useful to quickly reduce the number of infections caused by malaria-carrying mosquitoes. IRS has proven to be just as cost effective as other malaria prevention measures, and DDT presents no health risk when used properly.”

    WHO actively promoted indoor residual spraying for malaria control until the early 1980s when increased health and environmental concerns surrounding DDT caused the organization to stop promoting its use and to focus instead on other means of prevention. Extensive research and testing has since demonstrated that well-managed indoor residual spraying programmes using DDT pose no harm to wildlife or to humans.

    “We must take a position based on the science and the data,” said Dr Arata Kochi, Director of WHO’s Global Malaria Programme. “One of the best tools we have against malaria is indoor residual house spraying. Of the dozen insecticides WHO has approved as safe for house spraying, the most effective is DDT.”

    Indoor residual spraying is the application of long-acting insecticides on the walls and roofs of houses and domestic animal shelters in order to kill malaria-carrying mosquitoes that land on these surfaces.

    “Indoor spraying is like providing a huge mosquito net over an entire household for around-the-clock protection,” said U.S. Senator Tom Coburn, a leading advocate for global malaria control efforts. “Finally, with WHO’s unambiguous leadership on the issue, we can put to rest the junk science and myths that have provided aid and comfort to the real enemy – mosquitoes – which threaten the lives of more than 300 million children each year.”

    Views about the use of insecticides for indoor protection from malaria have been changing in recent years. Environmental Defense, which launched the anti-DDT campaign in the 1960s, now endorses the indoor use of DDT for malaria control, as does the Sierra Club and the Endangered Wildlife Trust. The recently-launched President’s Malaria Initiative (PMI) announced last year that it would also fund DDT spraying on the inside walls of households to prevent the disease.

    “I anticipate that all 15 of the country programs of President Bush’s $1.2 billion commitment to cut malaria deaths in half will include substantial indoor residual spraying activities, including many that will use DDT,” said Admiral R. Timothy Ziemer, Coordinator of the President’s Malaria Initiative. “Because it is relatively inexpensive and very effective, USAID supports the spraying of homes with insecticides as a part of a balanced, comprehensive malaria prevention and treatment program. “

    Programmatic evidence shows that correct and timely use of indoor residual spraying can reduce malaria transmission by up to 90 percent. In the past, India was able to use DDT effectively in indoor residual spraying to cut dramatically the number of malaria cases and fatalities. South Africa has again re-introduced DDT for indoor residual spraying to keep malaria case and fatality numbers at all-time low levels and move towards malaria elimination. Today, 14 countries in Sub-Saharan Africa are using IRS and 10 of those are using DDT.

    At today’s news conference, the World Health Organization also called on all malaria control programmes around the world to develop and issue a clear statement outlining their position on indoor spraying with long-lasting insecticides such as DDT, specifying where and how spraying will be implemented in accordance with WHO guidelines, and how they will provide all possible support to accelerate and manage this intervention effectively.

    “All development agencies and endemic countries need to act in accordance with WHO’s position on the use of DDT for indoor residual spraying,” said Richard Tren, Director of Africa Fighting Malaria. “Donors in particular need to help WHO provide technical and programmatic support to ensure these interventions are used properly.”

    Indoor residual spraying is one of the main interventions WHO is now promoting to control and eliminate malaria globally. A second is the widespread use of insecticide-treated mosquito nets. While the use of bed nets has long been encouraged by WHO, the recent development of “long-lasting insecticidal nets” (LLINs) has dramatically improved their usefulness. Unlike their predecessors, the long-lasting nets need not be re-dipped in buckets of insecticide every six months as they remain effective for up to five years without retreatment.

    Finally, for those who do ultimately become sick with malaria, more effective medicines are increasingly becoming available. Unlike previous antimalarials that have been rendered useless in many regions due to drug resistance, Artemisinin Combination Therapies (ACTs) are now recommended. These lifesaving medications are becoming more widely available throughout the world. In January of this year, WHO took stringent measures to help prevent future resistance to antimalarial medicines by banning the use of malaria monotherapy. An example of the negative consequences of drug resistance is apparent in the threat it poses to intermittent preventive treatment in pregnancy (IPTp), a crucial strategic intervention to protect pregnant women from the consequences of malaria.

    Potential funding to scale up the availability of all three of these strategic interventions has dramatically increased over the past few years through the inception of the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, TB and Malaria, World Bank plans to significantly increase its funding for malaria, and the launch of the President’s Malaria Initiative.

    “With serious money finally becoming available to fight malaria, it is more imperative than ever that WHO provides sound technical guidance and programme assistance to ensure timely and effective use of these resources,” said Dr Kochi.

    Each year, more than 500 million people suffer from acute malaria, resulting in more than 1 million deaths. At least 86 percent of these deaths are in sub-Saharan Africa. Globally an estimated 3,000 children and infants die from malaria every day and 10,000 pregnant women die from malaria in Africa every year. Malaria disproportionately affects poor people, with almost 60 percent of malaria cases occurring among the poorest 20 percent of the world’s population.

    For more information contact:

    In Washington, DC:
    Jim Palmer at 1 (202) 262-9823

    In Geneva:
    Ed Vela at +41 22 791-4550 or Shiva Murugasampillay at +41 22 791-1019

  54. After reading all your comments no one pointed out the most important quote from Lord Monckton. It’s right at the end of the long lecture, after the cameras are turned off and there is just audio.

    “Will you take questions?”
    “Of course I will! As many as they like!”

    The truth has no fear of questions, someone should mention this fact to Al Gore.

    PS. Google “Lord Christopher Monckton’s Power Point Bethel University” for a much more accurate power point then the one given in the article.

  55. M White (12:20:00) :

    Drivers will have to pay per kilometer driven in a bid to end chronic traffic jams and cut carbon emissions. The system, which will use Global Positioning Systems (GPS) to monitor cars, could be used as a test case for other countries weighing options for easing crowded roads. Singapore has a similar scheme for charging according to the amount of travel. “

    It’ll be fun to watch the engineers try to fit one to my daily commuter. I ride my 1949 Matchless 500cc single to work. 6v electrics and a magneto for the ignition.

    Maybe the 80mpg economy will win me a free pass.

  56. Aligner (15:11:42) :

    “Herman Van Rompuy, the man widely expected to be appointed the first President of Europe this week

    Blimey! When did they hold the vote? I don’t remember getting my ballot papers.

  57. ” Vincent (12:56:22) :

    … It just shows there is a real hunger for truth. No wonder Monbiot is so frustrated.”

    …Notice that Monbiot has dropped his carbon-dioxide-is-killing-us ranting, and his anti-“deniers” ranting, and has taken up his old ranting about dwindling oil reserves (which he also can’t get right).

  58. Thing is, like I’ve always said, the world always revolves around dualities (left and right poltics) and it is becoming more apparent that this is true. In Australia, Monckton was just interviewed by conservative D.J Alan Jones. Previously he was on Glenn Beck and I suspect others. Also, our most outspoken skeptic is conservative Herald-Sun journalist Andrew Bolt.
    I’m all for the abolishment of this prehistoric AGW superstition but as predicted, it will be the right who is putting up the fight and the focus will eventually be reduced to partisan politics; as it has always been.

    It was stubborn, blind, single mindedness that got us into this predicament in the first place and although I agree that any resolution is better than socialized government (because that’s what this is really about- absolute control), I feel that the dafault two-party political setting is horribly flawed and the death of AGW will become a conservative victory rather than the impartial overview of hysteria which it deserves.

    Overall, we will have learnt nothing from this chapter of history if we cling to bi-partisan politics. The ideology reigns.

  59. Bill, I often wondered about that. I guess DDT used on mosquitoes appeared better than doing nothing but in reality, it was simply holding back the flood gates of imminent malaria fatalities until resistance occurred. In other words it was pretty much a stop gap.

    I use predatory mites on ornamentals because other broad spectrum sprays kill predetors and make mite populations peak. Same with stuff like Spinosad on caterpillars.

    It takes some work though. Usually mite populations are so out of control and must be sprayed with a selective miticide first, otherwise preds are outnumbered.

    I don’t consider myself a greenie. Toxic insecticides just don’tprovide a long term solution.

  60. “tallbloke (00:09:18) :

    It’ll be fun to watch the engineers try to fit one to my daily commuter. I ride my 1949 Matchless 500cc single to work. 6v electrics and a magneto for the ignition.

    Maybe the 80mpg economy will win me a free pass.”

    Eventually, like Thatcher making wages being payable into a bank account mandatory, you will conform. You will not be able to ride that machine on a daily basis. You will need a special “license” just to keep it, and then you will need “special” insurance etc etc etc etc…

  61. SamG (02:11:27) :
    “Thing is, like I’ve always said, the world always revolves around dualities (left and right poltics) and it is becoming more apparent that this is true.” “…it will be the right who is putting up the fight and the focus will eventually be reduced to partisan politics; as it has always been.”

    and maybe not.

    “Politically Left Scientists Now Rejecting Climate Fears”

    “Ecologist Dr. Patrick Moore, a Greenpeace founding member, has also joined the ranks of the dissenters. ”

    “More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims.”

    http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Speeches&ContentRecord_id=B87E3AAD-802A-23AD-4FC0-8E02C7BB8284

    You see when all is done and dusted and the facts about climate influences come out (it may take some time) then it won’t matter whether you are from the left or right. Real science and nature don’t care how we vote or think.

    Jimbo

  62. Ron de Haan (13:25:12) :

    I am confident that many Dutch won’t like the idea either.

    The ones who will hit hardest by this plan are those work, like me, this is going to cost me around 5-6% of my salary, and since the provinces are going to miss income from the road tax (wich will disappear because of this) so they will raise their money with new taxes, all in all with unforseen circumstances the loss of income could run into 10-12%.

    And this is only about car-use, there is more on the horizon.

    Its nice being green and red, NOT

  63. Update: “Real science and nature don’t care how we vote or THINK.”

    Should say
    “Real science and nature don’t care how we vote or what we believe politically.”

  64. While Lord Monckton’s warning should be taken seriously, he is misleading on three points:

    (1) Every treaty must be ratified by the US Senate by a 2/3 vote. It is doubtful that the treaty contemplated at Copenhagen could muster that kind of support.

    (2) No treaty is enforceable if it contradicts the Constitution of the United States.

    (3) The United States may abrogate a treaty at any time.

    Fortunately, nothing is going to come out of Copenhagen. And we’ll have to make sure nothing like it comes out of the next meeting, too.

    /Mr Lynn

  65. Jimbo, I’m familiar with Patrick Moore. He co-founded Greenpeace but left his position once the ‘scene’ greenies jumped on the bandwagon. I don’t know how he orientates himself in the political spectrum but I wouldn’t call him a leftist. He’s too balanced for that. Moore has been outspoken about pseudo-environmental ideas for some time.

    Nevertheless, when this is done and dusted, we will probably enter another ‘feel good/lack of consequences’ era like the 80’s and then enter a guilty, self deprecating/crush capitalism phase like the one we’re going through now.
    Sure, the science is science but never has ‘science’ been so popular as it is today. Normally people don’t think about it when it isn’t spun with politics and hyperbole. If you notice, the reclaiming of science will be when it says that nothing extraordinary is occurring in the world of climate science.

    Under normal circumstances, human beings couldn’t care less about science. Your final statement is a bit naive to me. A bit like a Batman and Robin episode. The bad guys have been thwarted….. until next time.

    Yes, if only humanity thought a bit more about ‘the next time’ something stupid happens.

  66. The best way to counter the almost religious fervor associated with the claim of anthropogenic global warming is through the consistent and persistent presentation of proper science and data as this website so admirably does. Lord Monkton while eloquent and persuasive on the science erodes his credibility in his admonition about the US ceding its sovereignty at Copenhagen. That simply won’t and can’t happen given that Congress must ratify any treaty that would bind the US. If all remain true to the science behind the issue without resorting to scare tactics of our own, we have a much better chance of exposing the weakness of the AGW case.

  67. Please, stay away from anything similar to a “European Union”-style “Treaty”!
    Today in Italy, 80% of all “our” laws and regolations are imposed by EU.
    We have no more a sovereignty!!!!

  68. Although I was at first against the idea of world government, I have now seen the light. After recalling an episode of “Star Trek – next generation” in which Picard is addressing an individual who somehow came from the twentieth century, he explained “We no longer have any wars – we have no need of money – everything is provided by the Federation – we are all free to become whatever we choose to become.”

    It is all clear – this world government -it is just the precursor to the Federation and Warp Drives in space.

  69. Patrick Davis (02:55:03) :

    “tallbloke (00:09:18) :

    It’ll be fun to watch the engineers try to fit one to my daily commuter. I ride my 1949 Matchless 500cc single to work. 6v electrics and a magneto for the ignition.

    Maybe the 80mpg economy will win me a free pass.”

    Eventually, like Thatcher making wages being payable into a bank account mandatory, you will conform. You will not be able to ride that machine on a daily basis. You will need a special “license” just to keep it, and then you will need “special” insurance etc etc etc etc…

    When I was about 12 I read a ‘fictional story’ in ‘Bike’ magazine which spun a futureshock tale about clandestine old rockers who gathered in country pub carparks in the dead of night to go riding on their outlawed machines.

    It didn’t seem imaginable at the time…

  70. Fred Lightfoot (07:15:41) :

    Tallbloke (00:09.18)
    got a 1966 G85 but don’t ride it to work.

    Ooooh, Nice! Mine’s a G80S

    It keeps me sane. I’d stove some bad drivers door in if I wasn’t riding my nice slow revving old thumper through the city traffic.

  71. “Davis warns now is not the time for treaty opponents to rest on their laurels.”

    If one looks at the flow of climate research funding, it is 100% CLEAR that “resting on laurels” is EXACTLY what is happening.

    Invest in the troops – or lose the war.

  72. Btw: Piers Corbyn’s predictions are coming true in coastal British Columbia (for the current SWIP).

  73. Some stuff that you all may not know. Lord Monckton has a sister, Rosa, who was a close friend of Princess Diana. Rosa Monckton is married to Dominic Lawson, a journalist and former editor of The Sunday Telegraph. Dominic’s father is Nigel Lawson, now Lord Lawson, former Chancellor of the Exchequer and Secretary of State for Energy in Margaret Thatcher’s Government. Nigel Lawson is the author of ‘An Appeal to Reason, A Cool Look at Global Warming’ which is a very readable anti-AGW volume.

  74. bill (18:13:22) :

    Rob (13:33:48)

    http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/100-things-about-ddt-dissecting-10/

    DDT is a persistent poison – it does not quickly break down to safe compounds.

    Mosquitoes breed rapidly and DDT resistant strains were developing. To continue to spray DDT to eradicate the non resistant mosquitoes would be pointless. Why poison the world eradicating fewer and fewer mosquitoes.

    ………………………………………………………………….

    I presume you don`t live in Africa, the South African government do not hold your opinion. DDT is the only cost effective way to irradiate Malaria in the Third world as it did in the west, (strange that DDT resistant strains were only developing after Malaria had been irradiated from the west ) they cannot afford expensive alternatives, and nets don`t work.
    By the way how do you reconcile the total banning with the loss of 40 million lives, perhaps you can inform me of the legacy in the US DDT has left after it`s unrestricted use for over 2 decades.

    • Concerns about DDT being harmful to wildlife or people are also misplaced. Despite decades of studies, no one has ever shown that DDT causes cancer or anything worse than skin rashes on people. Most claims about harm to animals have also been disproven – even when large amounts of DDT were sprayed on trees and fields.

    • Past aid agency efforts simply have not worked. Bed nets, education and other “approved” programs have done little to reduce malaria — which is why South Africa, Swaziland, Zambia and now Uganda and Tanzania are turning to DDT and other insecticides, which do work.

    • Contrary to what the business ads say, DDT does not attack malaria parasites; it attacks mosquitoes. The parasites do not build up resistance to DDT, though they have to chloroquine. And while mosquitoes can build up resistance to DDT’s killer properties, if the insecticide is overused (which would not be the case in IRS programs), they do not build resistance to DDT’s amazing repellent properties, which in effect put a long-lasting net over an entire house and all its occupants.

    To replace DDT, many countries such as South Africa began using synthetic pyrethoids to kill malarial mosquitoes. The problem with these substitutes is that they are more expensive and less effective. The per structure cost of indoor spraying of DDT is 2.26 rands, whereas it is 3.81 rands for Deltametrin and 9.28 rands for Cyfluthrin, two forms of synthetic pyrethoids. In addition, A. funestrus, a malaria-transmitter mosquito that feeds almost exclusively on humans, has developed resistance to pyrethroids. In the 1950s, it had almost disappeared from South Africa. It began to reappear in the 1990s, which correlates with the removal of DDT.

    I suggest you read the letter in the link below.

    http://paradigmsanddemographics.blogspot.com/2009/02/mr-president-ddt-will-end-malaria.html

    Fighting malaria with DDT in South Africa

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4264374.stm

    http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/Fall02/Mosquitoes.html

  75. Bill from Pittsburgh (06:08:45) :

    The best way to counter the almost religious fervor associated with the claim of anthropogenic global warming is through the consistent and persistent presentation of proper science and data as this website so admirably does.

    Unfortunately Bill the populace needs to be led to proper science, Lord Monkton achieves that aim, the small inaccuracies in his lectures are irrelevant.

  76. Tim (14:17:01) :

    Unfortunately, while these two make good arguments against Crap and Tax, they have bought into the alarmist hypothesis that ‘climate change’, i.e. CO2 released by burning fossil fuels, will cause dangerous global warming.

    Someone needs to tell them the hypothesis is false. No need for any measures at all, least of all the carbon tax they propose.

    /Mr Lynn

  77. Phil Clarke (12:37:07) …

    …linked to a “Truth-O-Meter” that claims to show that Viscount Monckton is dishonest.

    Hey, I wonder how that “Truth-O-Meter” rates Al Gore? [click]

    Gore, who as we know invented the internet, is way honest!
    Phil Clarke’s “Truth-O-Meter” says so! How about that.

  78. Its easy to see that any global carbon debt type system, coupled with technology transfers would effectively level US currency with that of the poorest countries in the world. Carbon output is directly tied to GDP. Paying for the difference between your output and someone else’s is an equilibrium system.

    And anyone who’s ever dealt with a government agency can see that under any type of global governance, the rights of everyone will be relegated to DMV-esque “not my problem”. Got a complaint? “The US government can’t help you with this one, its a Global Law. My hands are tied, go talk to the complaint department…. Its in Libya”.

    No thanks. Thank God Monckton has the jimmies to call this ruse out for what it is…

  79. OT but any one who wants to write to Australian politicians about the climate, Copenhagen treaty etc their email addresses are linked here for ease,

    http://www.stevefielding.com.au/forums/viewthread/466/

    I have started receiving responses form a number of them – the National Party are very much skeptics, Labor Party say Im wrong but at least discuss (good to engage them on the facts as you have to remember they are only told limited data) and the Liberals are all over the place.

  80. Lord Monckton’s presentation in PDF format given in the lead post is an edited version showing 86 of the original 173 slides. The file is 7.3 MB, down from 17.5 MB.

    A PDF file of the complete presentation (at reduced resolution, 10.9 MB) and Lord Monckton’s biography is here:

    http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=441

    Friends of Science in association with the Frontier Centre for Public policy (FCPP) sponsored Lord Monckton for a cross-Canada speaking tour September 29 – October 8, 2009. He then when to the USA to continue his North American Tour.

  81. Ken Gregory (22:15:13) “Friends of Science in association with the Frontier Centre for Public policy (FCPP) sponsored Lord Monckton for a cross-Canada speaking tour September 29 – October 8, 2009.”

    Interesting. Never heard anything about it.

  82. The good news is they have yet to get around to the biggest greenhouse gas of all, that one lighter-than-air component that really acts as a blanket to keep the sun’s radiant heat trapped in the earth. Most exhaust stacks, including internal combustion engines, spew out this gas in large volumes, dwarfing carbon dioxide, methane, sulfur dioxide and even nitrogen for its impact on the environment. It’s awful! If we didn’t have to contend with it, we could be much happier living on a bone dry planet. claysamerica.com

  83. Ken Gregory (05:54:20) “Have you heard about our radio ad blitz in 15 Canadian cities? Hear our ads at http://www.friendsofscience.org/

    Ken, thanks for letting me know.

    Friends of Science 2009 Radio Ads

    http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=451

    I flip the dial all hours of the day in Vancouver. I’ve not yet heard these ads on any of the dominant stations here.

    For any future rounds of ads I would advise caution regarding mention of the “quiet sun” and “whether or not” there has been warming in the past decade.

    Partial Elaboration:
    It is important that the public understand that warming happens for natural reasons (& that solar-terrestrial relations are complex). It is also very important to alert the public to the alarmist tactic of conflating warming with anthropogenic warming, as if natural variation can only cause temporary cooling and is no longer capable of causing natural warming.

    Aside:
    The primary issue I see (i.e. the screaming weak [actually nonexistent] link) is the untenable assumption of randomness in statistical inference on solar/geophysical spatiotemporal series …but I realize (!) that isn’t necessarily a message that can be crafted to resonate with the general public under the constraints of 30 second air-wave blasts.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

  84. Some stuff that you all may not know. Lord Monckton has a sister, Rosa, who was a close friend of Princess Diana. Rosa Monckton is married to Dominic Lawson, a journalist and former editor of The Sunday Telegraph.

    And it was the Sunday Telepgraph that is amongst the few publications to reproduce Monckton’s nonsense.

    No wait, hang on, his treatise was accepted by this reputable academic journal, right next to the study of Time Travel Portals ….

    Of course there was his ‘peer-reviewed’ piece on the APS website, I spoke to Al Saperstein of Wayne State University in Michigan, one of two co-editors of Physics & Society, the offending newsletter.

    He stressed that that the article was not sent to anyone for peer-reviewing. Saperstein himself edited it. “I’m a little ticked off that some people have claimed that this was peer-reviewed,” he said. “It was not.”

    Oh dear.

  85. Phil Clarke,

    Viscount Monckton and the alarmist contingent have been going at it for the last couple of years. And New Scientist has no more credibility than Nexus.

    For Monckton’s response to Schmidt’s ankle biting: click

    Oh, dear.

  86. For a fresh perspective on Lord Monckton check out this parodied debate which he has with Al gore. Some levity but a very serious message in there which I think we should all heed…

    A frikking awesome video which all should see – this one should go viral in a sane world.

    namaste

  87. check this out- try to get the lowest score. hilarious. “air travel is…” “how much did hurricane katrina cost….” trust me there are some trick questions. getting zero can actually be a challenage.
    tbf have writen to oxfam and complained about this waste of internet space.

    http://www.theclimatechallenge.org/

  88. When you see “smoke stacks” on Television to boost the argument of man-made climate change, you have to be a dummy not to see that most all the “stacks” spewing out white stuff, are actually spewing out steam, which, for those who quit thinking, is moisture. Now, moisture in the atmosphere is, by far, a bigger heat-sealing blanket than heavier-than-air plant food (carbon dioxide), but it is a useful ingredient just like plant food. It would appear, the promoters of man-made climate change are simply trying to fool the many so they can walk off with the control they seek, and the money. Claysamerica.com

  89. In norwegian newspaper-blogs, teenagers are discussing to ban air-travel for holidays and such.

    The teachers are on to them with AGW alarmist stuff on a daily basis.

    When they grow up, there will be hell to pay.

    Its like a coming horde of green Hitler youth…..

  90. @claybarham OMG OGM the logos used to represent climate change don’t give an accurate picture of the causes of CO2 production.

    How is this relevant? Aside from the fact that I don’t remember seeing any pictures that actually look like cooling towers, billowing clouds are a neat visual representation, transparent gasses don’t have the same visual impact.

  91. Monckton is truly awesome & he is right about most things, particularly this AGW for Global Governmant scam. Cma you imagine, a Marxist Socialist lead World Government, moulded on the ghastly European Union model, i.e. no democracy just self-enriching self-promoting politicos taxing us all to death. They’ll be so busy sefl-promoting themselves that they will not see the reality of an Ice-Age creeping up around the corner.

    OT. After spending a few hundred quid on my darling daughter’s new car, I sat down in the late afternoon yesterday & watched a 70’s sci-fi thriller, I caught it mid stream where there were all these weirdy block-robed mutant humans sitting in a makeshift court room, with a poor fella manacled & shackled head & toe spreadeageld on the floor in front of the baddy leader, who was lording it over this poor fella & ranting on like a bible-bashing preacher, that he “had knowledge of the use of the wheel” & other such machines of humanity, that had allegedly caused their current predicament, for which this poor fella was unfortunately to be sentenced to death. I have to admit that I at first thought this was a live broadcast from a side-show at Copenhagen for few minutes (the shape of things to come no doubt?). Then of course it dawned me that it was only a film after all, the wonderful Omega Man (original, sorry to Will Smith) with the gr8 (blast that texting daughter of mine) Charlton Heston, with the wonderful Anthony Zerbe as the chief baddy! What a relief that was, although I dare say that’s where Greenpeace (Redwar) gets its scripts from!

  92. Yes, this is very alarming stuff to be this close to the groundwork for a new world order or one world government. I understand the hyperbole on each side of the coin but one must take heed when the treety actually talks about an unelected, international governing body that has political and financial power over our country. We just need to see the warning signs before it is too late.

    the business of climate change

  93. . . . but one must take heed when the treety actually talks about an unelected, international governing body that has political and financial power over our country.

    And you can bet your sweet burro people would, especially the bankers and big investors, were that the case. It’s not the case, though, is it. No, you can’t find it in the treaty, can you.

    One World is a frequent flyer plan, not a political conspiracy.

  94. Nothing came of Copenhagen, but Lord Monckton’s warning was on fairly solid legal ground as I understand it.

    With Missouri v. Holland the SCOTUS decided that treaties had the capacity to render actions constitutional, which if taken by Congress would have been unconstitutional. Coincidentally, the issue at hand was environmental. An earlier law protecting interstate migratory birds was twice struck down on constitutional grounds (ie, the Federal gov’t had no authority over birds, having no bird-related powers vested it by the text). The inventive way around the Constitution by the environmentalist supporters was to sign an international treaty protecting migratory birds, on the pretext that the treaty, being supreme law of the land as provided by the Constitution, could overcome any constitutional limitations. Missouri argued that the Federal gov’t had no ability, by treaty, to bind states with laws which if enacted “freestanding” would have been themselves unconstitutional. SCOTUS went against Missouri.

    That was step one, and established the idea that a Federal treaty can entirely invalidate and supplant existing constitutional provisions, including the Bill of Rights — in that case, the 10th amendment.

    The next half of the puzzle is United State v. Belmont, which held that an “executive agreement” by the POTUS with a foreign power was binding on the states and could not be rejected even when the agreement was against state law. The issue at the time was the formal recognition of the USSR by FDR, and his accession to allow the nationalization of Russian assets held in the US (bank accounts, etc). The owners of those assets naturally objected, and NY state at least refused to comply. SCOTUS again went against the state, Justice Sutherland arguing, incomprehensibly, that this was justified under the treaty provisions of the Constitution (he even referenced Missouri v. Holland).

    The problem in Belmont being that no treaty had been approved by the Senate at all, it was just the President’s “executive agreement” with the Soviet Union.

    The combination of those two atrocious decisions is that [external] treaties may entirely subvert and trump all [internal] rights and constitutionality, and that to fall within the category of “treaty” all that is necessary is that the President, on his own initiative and without any ratification, make an agreement with some foreign power or group of powers.

    In practice, “I wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t some trouble about this,” if it were attempted by that route, but there is certainly some precedent supporting a dire view of the things.

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