New Cycle 24 spots emerging

Michael Ronayne writes:

To the right of the burned out pixel, a second Sunspot group, with two spots, is forming which can be seen in this image:

SOHO_MDI_053109

The burned out pixel between the two groups is a fairly common issue with SOHO, and they routinely “bake” the sensor to get rid of them. Sometimes people mistakenly interpret them as sunspots in this new age of counting sunspecks.

The way to determine if it is a burned out pixel or not is to look for other off-colr pixels immediately arround it. If the pixel stands by itself, it is a burned out pixel.

So far these have not been assigned a number. They are just barely what one would call sunspots and my bet is that much as we’ve seen before from SC24 specks, they will be short lived, probably 48 hours or less.

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Richard deSousa
May 31, 2009 10:04 am

Haha… all we need is for a Sunspot Cycle #23 to also emerge next and sink the head lines of this subject.

Mike Ramsey
May 31, 2009 10:05 am
mercurior
May 31, 2009 10:10 am

OT, this is just brilliant (sarcasm) they have lost the plot..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2009/may/31/kingsnorth-defence-lawyer
From the moment I took on the case I was confident of the acquittal. A conviction of these defendants would have been as perverse as a policy to build new coal-fired power stations. And it doubtless would have been sold by politicians as showing public approval of government policy. A conviction would have given more power to both E.On and the police who each, in their own way, already have too much power.
• Michael Wolkind QC is the barrister who acted for the Greenpeace activists who were acquitted of causing £30,000 of damage to Kingsnorth power station last year.

rbateman
May 31, 2009 10:21 am

With the magnetic field so weak, they shouldn’t grow much or last that long.
Where are the big spots of previous cycles?

gacooke
May 31, 2009 10:27 am

Wow! Two at once! That may be a first for 2009!
(Sorry for all the exclaimation points!)

Jim Papsdorf
May 31, 2009 10:36 am

OT: Now HERE is an instance of “NON AGW” climate change !!!!!
Volcanic Eruption Caused Ancient Mass Extinction, Study Says
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By Ryan Flinn
May 28 (Bloomberg) — One of the Earth’s largest extinctions was likely caused by a massive volcanic eruption that occurred in what is now southwest China more than 260 million years ago, according to a study.
The eruptions, which spewed about 500,000 cubic kilometers (120,000 cubic miles) of lava over half a million years, killed more than half of the life on the planet in the Middle Permian period, said Paul Wignal, lead author of the study in tomorrow’s edition of the journal Science. That loss of life is called the Guadalupian mass extinction.
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aLYx3ji.OiD0&refer=home

Rob
May 31, 2009 10:38 am

These are not spots and should be ignored as they would not have been seen by early observers using equipment of that day.

May 31, 2009 10:42 am

These spots, though a pixel wide, will be celebrated indeed by the ghost spots seekers…
At the fringe of being only perceived by ESP (extra sensorial perception)!!

rbateman
May 31, 2009 10:56 am

They are no bigger at this point than the dead pixel.
Pixies.

Syl
May 31, 2009 11:10 am

I knew it. I knew it. A piece put up on the sun yesterday.
The WATTs EFFECT.

Adam from Kansas
May 31, 2009 11:28 am

Those are some tiny spots indeed.
Seems like cycle 24 isn’t getting off the ground much, but sunspots are counted even if they’re this tiny.

pkatt
May 31, 2009 11:36 am

Hey arent those the same magnetic regions from last round?

Editor
May 31, 2009 12:20 pm

Mike Ramsey (10:05:00) :

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_mag/512/
isn’t showing much.

The mag image I see is a couple days stale and is timestamped 2009/05/29 14:24. Sigh.

E.M.Smith
Editor
May 31, 2009 12:35 pm

Pixel dust…

May 31, 2009 12:37 pm

Chu’s White Paint Brush
This past week the Obama administration’s energy secretary, Steven Chu, suggested that one solution the nations of the world should take to reduce global warming is to paint roofs and roadways white. The premise being that white colored roof would reflect insolation whereas a darker colored roof would absorb it. Chu elaborates further

If you look at all the buildings and make all the roofs white, and if you make the pavement a more concrete type of colour rather than a black type of colour, and you do this uniformly, it’s the equivalent of reducing the carbon emissions due to all the cars in the world by 11 years.

Sounds like a sweet deal. A little white paint here, a little more over there and before you know it, all the cars in the world suddenly have no effect on global warming because their emissions will be offset. Does this mean someone that paints their roof white will get a carbon tax exempt card for being a good soldier in the fight against global warming? Does it even matter that painting one’s roof white will only reduce cooling costs when it’s hot outside? What about when it’s not hot and sunny? What good is your white roof doing when it’s snowing or when it’s cloudy, cool and damp?
Continue reading at Skeptic’s Corner.

May 31, 2009 12:41 pm

I’m pretty sure there’s also a measure of percentage of the solar disk covered by the darkened cores of sunspots and I believe the SC24 max is forecast to ~2.5%. Is there someone out there with any follow up to this or know of where this data can be found?

rbateman
May 31, 2009 12:41 pm

pkatt (11:36:59) :
If they are, it would be from 28 days ago.

rbateman
May 31, 2009 12:45 pm

SOHO MDI Magnetogram is on the fritz (why I don’t know)
Use a
GONG http://gong.nso.edu/Daily_Images/
instead.
REPLY: Looking at that, the spot nearest the rim seems indeterminate in polarity due to the east-west orientation of its poles. – Anthony

E.M.Smith
Editor
May 31, 2009 12:45 pm

mercurior (10:10:55) : From the moment I took on the case I was confident of the acquittal.
From the article:
The defence is sensible. If you see a fire in your neighbours’ garden and you know they are out, you can break down his fence to prevent damage to his plants and to his bouncy castle. The law provides a “lawful excuse” to damage or destroy your neighbour’s fence to put out the fire and save the grass and the earth. The defendants acted to put out the coal fire and save the Earth because so much is in danger and immediate action is called for. Not tomorrow, but now.
And what if I break down my neighbors fence to put out the fire and manage to hose down a nice BBQ lunch with his boss? Hmmm???
Or what if I break down my neighbors fence and discover no fire at all?
It can not be a matter of OPINION that their ought to be a fire; one must exist for ALL to see. Therein is the error. They judged based on what they were told OUGHT to be coming “Real Soon Now”, not what is…

Adam from Kansas
May 31, 2009 12:48 pm

The only benefit to painting everything white would that the UHI effect would be a lot less, then you can just watch the ground station temp. readings go downward as the UHI contamination becomes less and less.
Actually, I would like to see less UHI effect if there’s a way to do that so not only would it help reduce its effect in ground station readings (which is a major reason the results are contaminated) it would give people a better idea of the true temperatures not pushed upward by increasing UHI due to urban growth, which is the world stopped warming years ago.
For a nice example of UHI look at any Wichita station on Weather Underground, the UHI of Wichita often causes urban stations to record temperatures a few degrees higher then the official readings in the smaller town of Newton away from my city’s UHI effect radius.

May 31, 2009 12:53 pm

I shot these images of the spot(s) today (using an 8 inch telescope, as solar filter and a Phillips webcam), it is a small animation showing the variation over 1 hour, the smallest one appeared to fade as I was watching. It is the same spot as the one on the left in the SOHO image.
http://arnholm.org/astro/sun/sc24/sun_20090531_anim1.gif
The spot was visually “less than easy to see” initially, but once it had been identified it was clear enough.
(sorry for accidentally posting it also to another thread. My mistake)

rbateman
May 31, 2009 1:27 pm

Nice argument, E.M. Smith.
Recipe for disaster: One wad of pre-sliced data, pinch of reality, place in computer model and bake for a 30 minutes.
Top with hypnotic sauce, minced guilt trip and serve on MSM.

Leon Brozyna
May 31, 2009 2:21 pm

The easternmost group (to the left) appears to be growing; the other one to the west (right) seems to have dimmed to nothing already. Looks like SWPC/NOAA has recognized this and has assigned it a number. Looks like SC24 is finally getting its act together. Now all that remains is to see which of the predictions bears up: 50 – 70 – or 90.

BarryW
May 31, 2009 2:29 pm

Let’s see, Anthony mentions cycle 24 and we see spots. When tornado chasers look for tornadoes they see nada. Anthony, you need to make more comments about tornadoes so these guys can get some data! Or maybe the radar’s RF is squashing the mesocyclones before they can generate twisters (that’s a joke son).

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