McCains rumored VP pick says “don’t spend time on [skeptics]“

I’ll point out that this is just a rumor. Last week many people were sure that Obama’s VP was going to be Evan Bayh based on bumper sticker printing rumors. Let’s hope this one doesn’t pan out. – Anthony

UPDATE: Speculation has now shifted to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Her approval rating, according to the Anchorage Daily News, tops 80 percent. Among other things, she supports drilling in Alaska, with limits, she’s pro-life and she’s a fiscal conservative. If she’s the pick, that surely figured into the McCain strategy of hoping to woo upset Hillary Clinton supporters. She’d be a magnet for them.

From Capital Research: Tim Pawlenty, Global Warming Alarmist

August 28th, 2008 by Matthew Vadum

Rumors are circulating that GOP presumptive presidential candidate Senator John McCain plans to select Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty as his vice presidential running mate.Pawlenty certainly talks a good shtick when it comes to free markets, low taxes, and limited government, but his views on climate change and energy policy are downright frightening.

“We should not spend time on voices that say [climate change] is not real,” Pawlenty said even as new evidence surfaces almost daily that undermines the alarmist consensus.

“We should have listened to President Carter” about energy policy, Pawlenty said.

President Jimmy Carter, readers may recall, gave his infamous “malaise” speech (also known as the “Crisis of Confidence” speech) live on television on July 15, 1979.

In it Carter blamed Americans for the problems in American society at that time. He told Americans they were too materialistic and greedy and that they needed to make do with less. He told Americans that turning down their thermostats and wearing sweaters indoors would help solve the nation’s problems.

That was Jimmy Carter’s energy policy.

And Pawlenty says we should have listened to President Carter?

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91 thoughts on “McCains rumored VP pick says “don’t spend time on [skeptics]“

  1. Well, there goes my vote. Looks like I`ll be staying at home !
    All sides are now looking pretty pathetic.

    I was hoping for Fred T for VP.

  2. He’s a politician, he’ll change his position… and a few more years of cooling will ensure he does.

  3. Just great.

    al gore #2

    Congressional skeptics and realists are the only ones left to stop this nonsense {as they did with Kyoto}.

  4. Yeah, Obama should get it. At least he does not come across
    as a religious nutbar, whether the environmental religion or any other.

    Obama’s ‘power of persuasion’ may also cut through the entrenched
    interests on issues like the deficit, immigration, and healthcare.

  5. I was hoping for anyone that did not believe this global warming , in the hope we could get some sense in the GOP campaign. No luck! Yes, I was hoping for Fred T. But, he got started too late and did not have the staying power.

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  7. Don’t stay home! It may not be him. McCain wasn’t my first choice, but he is better than BO!

    REPLY: BTW thanks for the letter and assistance today, much appreciated – Anthony

  8. I keep praying that DC is snow bound with a blizzard from Jan 20th to the 31st so that no one can get in or out and the coronation (oops! the inauguration) has to be delayed. maybe that eill cool off some of those AGW fanatics.

    No matter who gets in, I can see the ecomomy going down the drain. I already told my boys to start studying Chinese or whatever language they speek in India so they can get a job.

  9. It’s is my pleasure. I enjoy the work you do and also this site. Keep up the good fight of “informing and educating” the “uninformed”. Regardless of who wins this election, we must to win the battle against the “uninformed” and those who are “corrupt”.

  10. I keep praying that DC is snow bound with a blizzard from Jan 10th to the 31st so that no one can get in or out and the coronation (oops! the inauguration) has to be delayed. maybe that will cool off some of those AGW fanatics.

    No matter who gets in, I can see the ecomomy going down the drain. I already told my boys to start studying Chinese or whatever language they speek in India so they can get a job.

  11. McCain and Obama have pretty close views on AGW. How deeply held – I don’t know for either, but once elected either will have a congress willing to pass whatever they are willing to sign.

    That’s perhaps the most frustrating choice in this election cycle.

  12. Newest tidbit to hit the news has Secret Service sweeping a Romney family member’s home in Michigan. This was also the first hint on the selection of Biden.

    Stay tuned … by Noon ET we’ll know for sure which way it goes…

  13. Timmy is from the libertarian wing of RINOs. A lightweight who’s strong only on the ‘No new taxes’ issue. He’s for government sponsored gambling, higher fees for services, keeping major sports franchises in town with public money, yada yada yada.

    I’ll be writing in this year-‘None of the above’.

  14. I listened to Obamas spech last night. Climate change was way, way ,way down on the list of thing he rattled off that were a proiroty for the country. I have a feeling that when smart people get around Obama and wisper in his ear “if you do this, the economy will do this…” and he’ll reconsider. McCain, not so sure about that. He’s a maverick, right?

  15. “The ice is disappearing.”

    No its not, it’s just compacting. The melting has all but stopped.

  16. Yet another politician that appears not to get it. You can’t have free markets (and many other freedoms too!) if man is really causing global-warming. If it really is as bad as the IPCC and others say it is, or worse, then his views are incompatible. Totalitarian action is what is needed to save us if the planet is on a one-way ticket to catastrophe. Give all power to the Greenies now! But that’s a politician for you – picking up that which is fashionable and which will get them in the least amout of political trouble. Of course if he went against AGW theory he’d be blasted for being a slave to the oil companies, which is not the kind of press the Repubs wants around convention time, even while (ironically) McCain talks about drilling more.

    There again, that is politics for you, more and more adrift from the real world as time goes by. Remember, these are the same breed who nearly 100 years ago brought us the War to end all wars (aka WWI), and we know how well that worked out right?

  17. or whatever language they speek in India so they can get a job

    In business that would be english.

  18. ScienceDaily (Aug. 28, 2008) “Following last summer’s record minimum ice cover in the Arctic, current observations from ESA’s Envisat satellite suggest that the extent of polar sea-ice may again shrink to a level very close to that of last year.

    Envisat observations from mid-August depict that a new record of low sea-ice coverage could be reached in a matter of weeks.”

    Bold assumptions.

  19. Fred Jorgensen: “Yeah, Obama should get it. At least he does not come across
    as a religious nutbar, whether the environmental religion or any other.”

    His religion is socialism. Typical liberal who wants to do all things with other people’s money taken from them against their will by the threat of imprisonment.

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  21. What’s your definition of a nutbar?

    As to Obama being able to cut through special interests, why should he? He’s in bed with so many of them.

    Regardless, how will Obama do anything about the deficit, his spending plans are going to add trillions to the deficit while his tax increases will slow the economy.

    Health care, why is a solution that has failed everywhere it has been tried, going to help?

  22. I don’t care who McCain picks. He’s an idiot, and we’ve suffered through 8 years with idiot Bush, who has about bankrupted the country just for starters. Anyway, the key is to vote for members of congress who are sensible about energy policy, and skeptical at least to some degree on AGW. I’ll be splitting my ticket in November, for the first time since the 70’s.

  23. Never seen the guy before. He looks like John Turturro (who was in that movie, “The Big Pawlenty”)

    My choice is:

    Gov. Sarah Palin (R Alaska) – “change we can believe in, a VP we can drool over”

  24. “We should not spend time on voices that say [climate change] is not real,” Pawlenty said even as new evidence surfaces almost daily that undermines the alarmist consensus…..I have to say I agree with this statement from Pawlenty as it is written.

    Most here believe in climate change, I certainly do, just not the alarmist “human’s are bad and destroying the world” climate change mantra.

    I somehow wonder if his statement has been twisted by alarmists to try and make it seem like even Republicans are against skeptics.

    BTW, People that say climate change isn’t real, and there are some, should be ignored.

    This site and its contributors are not among those that should be ignored!

  25. There is currently a big fight within the GOP over the Platform. Delegates want a skeptic plank on AGW. McCain’s Campaign wants a plank supporting the AGW Theory. McCain’s Camp also want a plank protecting ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge) from drilling. The only hope is that McCain changed his position on drilling on the OCS (Outer Continental Shelf). Maybe, he will change his position as more evidence of global cooling appears. BHO (Barack Hussein Obama), on the other hand, will not change his position on AGW. It would be political suicide in the Democrat Party.

    Governor “Green” Tim Pawlenty is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas Tree. He supports Ethanol, too. Fortunately, McCain does not. The GOP Convention is running a $3 million deficit. An Ethanol investor told the GOP that he would cover the deficit if he got 15 minutes with McCain. McCain, himself, turned the deal down. McCain is a very ethical man. For those who want to bring up the “Keating Five,” John was cleared by attorney and democrat activist Bob Bennett.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I am not a GOP activists. I have PJD (Political Junky Disorder).

    Former GOP Congressman from Georgia, Bob Barr, is the presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party. He is the only candidate that knows that AGW is a hoax. Unfortunately, he is only polling 3%. At best, I have seen him at 6%. He needs 15% to get into the debates. I have my fingers crossed that Barr’s campaign get some traction; however, I still remember what happened with Ross Perot. Ross got 19% and we got Bill Clinton in ’92 and, eventually, Newt Gingrich and a GOP Congress in ’94.

    For anyone who wants to investigate another hoax, look into Ethanol. It is not only causing an increase in food prices, but it is also destroying the water table and causing serious air pollution around the Ethanol plants. Governor “Green” and Minnesota Senator Norm Coleman, Republican, tells us that biofuels, like Ethanol and Biodiesel, will help protect us from AGW. These individuals are as crazy as T. Boone Pickens. Does anyone remember what happened to Howard Hughes.

    Beam me up Scotty. There is no sign of intelligent life on this planet.

  26. We should have listened to Carter? Wow. Words I never thought I’d hear again in my lifetime.

    Maybe he’ll fool all of us & go with Olympia Snowe, Ms Global Warming herself. All McCain needs is to pick up some of the woman vote, and this isn’t even going to be close.

    I’m still trying to justify showing up this year.

  27. You started out with a discussion of McCains posible VP choice. Of course this is all just speculation untill he announces his choice.

    What bothers me about your article is this.

    You quickly changed the topic to one of praise of Jimmy Carter. He devistated the economy and left us with double diget inflation and 18% interest rates. Try to buy a home when interest rates are that high and the company you work for folds due to economic colapse.

    Then you praise Jimmy Carter because he blamed Americans for their own troubles. This is rediculas. Ronald Reagan came along and quickly turned things around. The problem wasn’t with the American people. The problem was the government.

    REPLY: “What bothers me about your article is this.” Ok well what bothers me about your response is that you are attributing this article to the author of this blog. It’s from Capital Research, and is a reprint here.

  28. He is an idiot, but he will *not* be VP; it’s looking like Alaska Gov. Sara Palin is a good possibility, unless the McCain staff is just using her as a false lead.

  29. I personally don’t think there’s much difference between the two except the shade of their skin. Those who say “What? How can you say such a thing!” consider McCaca’s past:

    1. McCain-Feingold
    2. McCain
    3. The Keating Five and McCains involvement
    4. McCains constant statements denigrating the Skeptics
    5. McCains pro-illegal immigration stance (which has now morphed)
    6. McCains arrogance in stating he doesn’t need the Conservative vote to win

    And on and on.

    Personally, I was going to vote “none-of-the-above” by simply taking a ballot and turning it in unmarked. And yes, they do count these votes although none will publicize it. And yes, it’s a growing movement to show our disgust in the current two party system.

    But if McCain picks this nut case, I may just vote for Osama to show my total contempt for the Republican Party and their extremely poor choice for a presidential candidate.

    Jack Koenig, Independent Voter… very, very Independent

  30. I just read Carter’s speech and his energy policy was a little more than wearing sweaters. Here is an excerpt:

    “Point three: To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our
    nation’s history to develop America’s own alternative sources of fuel — from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol,
    from unconventional gas, from the sun.”

    I had no idea that he proposed using coal and shale oil (in addition to the other sources he listed). In many discussions on energy, most people have told me that we should have listened to Carter. The irony here is that in these discussions, we were discussion energy and AGW. Who knew that Carter proposed using CO2 producing energy sources? I didn’t until I read the PBS link from this article.

    I agree that Carter wanted us to do with less. I once read that he said he was (I’m paraphrasing) bothered by the fact that America had the world’s strongest economy and military. I believe most liberals feel this way and I believe that Kyoto and AGW are being used to redistribute jobs and wealth from developed nations to developing nations.

  31. “Personally, I was going to vote “none-of-the-above” by simply taking a ballot and turning it in unmarked.” McGrats

    Yes, a protest vote is in order for what the Demos and Repugnants have offered up as candidates. I’ll be writing in Ron Paul’s name. If enough people do so, the MSM cannot ignore him in 2012.

  32. Ted Annonson (23:07:28) : I keep praying that DC is snow bound with a blizzard from Jan 10th to the 31st so that no one can get in or out and the coronation (oops! the inauguration) has to be delayed.

    It usually doesn’t happen until mid February around here. This shot was FEB 14 2007. This is about as bad as it gets in these parts but in 2005 I had a 3 foot drift in my driveway.

    Though, here’s one DEC 06 2003. First time we had a significant snowfall before Christmas (I’ve been living here since 1975). So, could happen.

  33. Mark (07:14:28) wrote: “I believe most liberals feel this way and I believe that Kyoto and AGW are being used to redistribute jobs and wealth from developed nations to developing nations.”

    You’re spot on, Mark! But it also involves expanding the authority and governance of the UN, funding the unfunded pension liabilities in the European countries (finally cementing the EU’s power structure as distributor), “powerizing” the greenies throughout the world, resurrecting the failed media as a major propaganda tool, and making our politicians permanently in office with all the payoffs they get from industrial giants feeding off this nonsense!

    Jack Koenig, Editor
    The Mysterious Climate Project
    http://www.climateclinic.com

  34. It’s Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, 44 years old. NBC just confirmed! I have no idea of her climate ideas yet.

  35. Smart move by McCain. You gotta hand it to him, he knows how to play his hand.

    Palin reportedly had an approval rating above 90% as of last summer. Avidly pro-life. Former head of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. Perfect combo.

    Game, set, match.

  36. From Sarah Palin’s web site:

    “Develop a conservative alternative to the Kyoto protocol, to protect our environment, without damaging our economy”

    What does that mean/

  37. Your bears and your Arctic Baby Ice just developed enhanced symbolic meaning. Palin may hunt moose, but McCain is hunting pumas, and energy security is going to be the big issue this year. Thank heavens Baby Ice understands its importance and will survive, through sheer, gut-wrenching political will if nothing else.
    ================================

  38. This is Off Topic but something Anthony may want to follow up on.

    I was reading the home page of ICECAP and tried to follow the link on the article titled One Hot Topic.

    http://icecap.us/index.php

    Aug 24, 2008
    One Hot Topic
    By John Takeuchi, Meteorologist Interview in the Vacaville, CA Reporter

    I found that the link has been pulled so I did a search and found that it had been replaced with the following.

    http://www.thereporter.com/letters/ci_10291342

    Writer’s facts not accurate
    Article Launched: 08/24/2008 07:41:26 AM PDT
    Will Ozier
    Vacaville

    Is this censorship or WATT? Notice that the original author was a Meteorologist but no credentials are required for the follow up. It looks like all he did was cut and paste the IPCC propoganda. He even goes on to use ALla GORE as an example to justify concensus as good science.

    “Sir, you are no scientist”

  39. This seems to be a smart move in the sense it will attract some Hillary females from the Dumbocrat Party. But from my perspective, I want to know the details of her positions on the environment (in particularly “Global Warming” ), immigration, and healthcare. From what I’m hearing about the positions taken by McCaca on the latter two, I’m not encouraged… especially in light of his ignorance on alleged AGW.

    Jack Koenig, Editor
    The Mysterious Climate Project

    http://www.climateclinic.com

  40. In England I have emailed our own politicians, the Clinton Campaign plus Worldwidlife…and our “Green” paper the Independent.
    I have pointed out that there has been no warming for best part of ten years and that there has been a reduction in the temp level records due to the work of Anthony Watts and Steve Macintyre. Have also mentioned Prof Richard Lintzen and of course the Aqua satellite.
    If they had the intellectual and scientific facts to shoot me down they would.
    It would be like swatting a fly.

    They don’t…because they can’t.
    We are heading for cooling and the Aqua satellte findings have, or should have stopped the AGW’s in their tracks.
    It has’nt because they have dug a very big hole and jumped straight in.

    Not sure how much longer this farce wil carry on but when a very respected political journalist in the UK recently called CO2 “a pollutant”……we still have a very long way to go.

    People in the USA have still to get their heads around the fact that on the morning of 911 there was a massive air defence excercise taking place that lead to the eastern seaboard of America being virtually undefended that…wonder who knew?
    If you think I am implying Americans are thick…I am not. On the morning of the London bombings 7th July 2005 there was an anti-terror excercise taking place…it was based around bombs at three underground stations and invoilved 1000 people.
    Guess which three stations were involved?

    Yep…you got it…the same ones that suffered the explosions.
    If our populations cant deal with this…what chance a deeply involved subject like the climate!!!!!!!!

  41. I was hoping for anyone that did not believe this global warming , in the hope we could get some sense in the GOP campaign. No luck!

    Won’t happen as long as most Americans believe the hype. A candidate has no hope of even being nominated who doesn’t toe the environMENTAL line.

  42. RE: Paulin’s quote:

    “Develop a conservative alternative to the Kyoto protocol, to protect our environment, without damaging our economy”

    This means take control of our own energy policy, instead of getting locked into an international agreement, that is created for the sole purpose of giving un-elected UN power-brokers control of our energy usage.

    I am starting to think that voting for McCain, and hoping for his early demise, might be my choice.

  43. veep-pick Sarah Palin in 1984 – babe credentials confirmed

    In fact, possibly TOO hot to attract many Hillary supporters.

  44. Russ R. (08:52:21) wrote: “I am starting to think that voting for McCain, and hoping for his early demise, might be my choice.”

    I believe that thought will cross many minds… especially the Hillary people. And considering the raucous lifestyle McCaca has led, it may just be the their best choice in getting a woman as president.

    Somehow or another, I’ll bet this turn of events will thrown the Osama camp into a turmoil!

    Jack Koenig, Independent Voter… very, very Independent

  45. This election just went into a cocked hat! If Palin is brought on as a teammate and her views respected, then Hansen, Gore, et al will be shaking in their boots. From what I read, this lady could put Billory, Pilosi and Reid under the table. She did it with the intrenched Republican Network in Alaska, took on the oil companies, and closed the checkbook. As VP she’d be the head of NASA – right? We could even get some good science out of those folks if they haven’t forgotten how.

    While McCain’s politics sometimes don’t agree with mine, the man can listen to other views and change his. (Lieberman is a good example of that, like it or not)
    I think this election will be a real bruiser! Might be the most fun we’ve (the electorate) has had in a bunch of years. (Oh, yea, just to drive the animal rights folks nuts, this lady shoots Bambi for dinner)

  46. Dan McCune (08:13:38) :

    This is Off Topic but something Anthony may want to follow up on.

    I was reading the home page of ICECAP and tried to follow the link on the article titled One Hot Topic.

    http://icecap.us/index.php

    Aug 24, 2008
    One Hot Topic
    By John Takeuchi, Meteorologist Interview in the Vacaville, CA Reporter

    I found that the link has been pulled …

    I noticed that too, but I eventually found a copy. I think the story just expired. There is no ethical requirement that the owner of a web site keep all pages ever made.

    The “replacement” was a letter to the editor that was less old than the original. I don’t know their retention policy is on those.

    Why should Anthony follow up on it? I suggest that someone who feels strongly about it do so.

  47. John-X:

    May you receive a bag of unscrubbed coal this X-mas(pardon the aliteration) for starting that meme!

    I now admit before God and Country my above pledge(to vote not) was a sound signifing nothing.

  48. Bruce Cobb: “through 8 years with idiot Bush, who has about bankrupted the country just for starters.”

    How soon we forget! We we doing just fine until the Dems took over Congress 19 months ago. Since then it’s been all down hill.

  49. Thanks for that Tom! You are so right. Bush inherited both a contracting economy and terrorist threat from Clinton both of which he handled admirably. Many other things I disagree with, but things didn’t start going terribly bad until the dems took over Congress.

    On Gov. Palin, I see this quote from Newsmax:

    “A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I’m not one though who would attribute it to being man-made. ”

    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/sarah_palin_vp/2008/08/29/126139.html

  50. I noticed a couple of comments here referring to President Carter, which reminded me of the recent Carter audio byte making the rounds: Jimmy Carter calls Obama a “colored boy.” And yes, he actually said ‘boy.’ I wonder why we don’t hear that clip on the nightly news? We sure would if a Republican said it [and IANAR].

    Regarding Palin, she’s stated that she is in favor of drilling for domestic oil. But we have to understand that someone in her current position as a candidate can’t take as strong stand as some of us would like– there’s an election to win, first. But the fact that she is in favor of drilling for more oil says a lot, and it aligns her much more closely with the average American family, which is being crushed by the current high gas prices.

  51. Media was so all over O & B they never saw this coming; in fact, they probably weren’t even looking at all.

    Palin makes Hillary look like part of the good ol’ boy network. Someone to put Boxer in her place.

  52. Timmy is from the libertarian wing of RINOs. A lightweight who’s strong only on the ‘No new taxes’ issue. He’s for government sponsored gambling, higher fees for services, keeping major sports franchises in town with public money, yada yada yada.

    =====================

    Huh?

    There’s nothing remotely libertarian about any of those positions.

  53. I couldn’t be happier! “McCain/Palin 2008″. She has been my choice for VP, since day one. She is one “smart/cool lady”. Hopefully as VP, she can have an “positive influence” on educating McCain on the “loopholes” in this “AGW SCAM”. McCain, like most politician’s, has not been exposed to “Truth in the HIGH TOWERS of Congress”. Many of them don’t understand anything that doesn’t put $$$$$$’s in their pockets.

  54. “A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I’m not one though who would attribute it to being man-made. ”

    Talk about a non-statement. A warmer climate would certainly make Alaska a nicer place to live. A colder climate could make it unlivable.

  55. Another quote from Palin:

    http://www.thenextright.com/goprebel/drill-drill-drill-larry-kudlows-interview-with-alaska-governor-sarah-palin

    Kudlow:Governor Palin, thank you ever so much for coming on. We appreciate it. I want to start with this, it’s an oddball question. I mean, Senator McCain says it’s too pristine to drill. Senator Obama says the drilling won’t work. What is your response to this? How do you fight back?

    Palin: Well it will work. And Senator McCain is wrong on that issue. He’s right on a whole lot of other issues, so thank goodness that he’s understanding and evolving with his position on OCS [Outer Continental Shelf]. So that’s encouraging. I think he’s going to evolve into, eventually, supporting ANWR opening also.

  56. The UN organization IPCC is driving the climate hype through a corrupt government system. They were formed with the purpose of identifying and combating man made climate change before there was any real evidence.

    They would have no purpose for existence if they didn’t find climate change so after only 2 years they had identified global warming and CO2 as a serious threat and began recommending formation of more organizations and committees which did the same.

    Today billions of dollars are spent around the world by government organizations who’s entire survival depends on man made global warming being true. This had the necessary effect of corrupting the science beyond believability.

    For more information you can go here.

    http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/environment/anthropogenic-global-warming/

  57. “There’s nothing remotely libertarian about any of those positions.”

    The list was intended to loosely itemize that governor’s practice, not his philosophy, which I intended to imply, was at variance with his stated positions. I may have failed in the latter.

    I was under the impression, libertarians were socially moderate to liberal and fiscally moderate to conservative. That impression was gained solely by my captive presence during “Prairie Dogging” and not by examination of any platform, and I maintain no illusion to political sophistication.

    For that matter, people here in Purple America don’t call me moderate where I can’t imagine being otherwise characterized. Pardon me if I have blundered in some way. It was a throwaway remark.

  58. Tom: How soon we forget! We we doing just fine until the Dems took over Congress 19 months ago. Since then it’s been all down hill.

    Doing fine? I think not. Let’s see, he invaded Iraq under false pretenses (he lied) to the tune of over a half trillion and counting, not to mention some 4,000 American lives lost, and many more wounded physically and psychologically, which will cost untold billions more for many years. For that alone, he should have been impeached.

  59. Well, Bruce, I must thoroughly disagree. I don’t consider what dubya did to have been lying, and I think that one has to consider that Iraq was a charnel pit, a slow-motion genocide in action (unlike, say, Iran). Yes, the war could have been handled better, but I’m sure you know the long and sad history of American (et al.) military screwups.

    I think one must measure the sad consequences of having invaded with the horrible consequences of having done nothing for a decade. As Tony Blair put it, “Doing nothing IS doing something.”

  60. Bruce,
    You went from accusing Bush of bankrupting the country to being a murdering dictator. Apparently you can accept that the blame for an economic turndown is and should be placed on the Congress over trhe last year and a half. Afterall, it is Congress that handles all the money issues for the Country. One the other point, the greatness of our system is that no one man can do what you accuse the President of doing without the consent of Congress. In addition, had any President not acted upon the information that was available they would have been direlict in their duties to this Country. If Saddam was still in power and unchallenged for all these years, where do you think the world would be now? Your monday morning quarterbacking only sounds like sour grapes.

  61. “not to mention some 4,000 American lives lost, and many more wounded physically and psychologically, which will cost untold billions more for many years. For that alone, he should have been impeached.” Bruce Cobb

    Bingo!

  62. Bruce,

    BDS may not be a killer but it does the sufferer no good and it would appear a matter of volition.

    You report as fact much one might dismiss summarily, and have evidence to offer for doing so–in a different forum.

  63. Tom: Come now, I didn’t say he was a dictator, nor did I use the word “murder”. You are using AGWer tactics of debate. Shame on you.
    Furthermore, what “information” are you talking about? WMD’s, nukes, ties to Al Quaida, all of which turned out to be not only false, by the way, but were, in fact lied about.
    You are simply being disingenuous about Congress. They believed the lies, and once we were involved, really didn’t have much choice other than to approve funding. Nice try.

  64. “I didn’t say he was a dictator” Bruce Cobb

    Well, he can declare anyone of us an “enemy combatant” at his sole discretion and have us imprisoned indefinitely and TORTURED. I call that a dictator.

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