Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to WUWT from the imager on GOES East! All I want for the children for Christmas is to be taught better than to believe the doomsters. And my New Year’s resolution is to keep exposing the core misconceptions that started all the “climate” concern to begin with.
Is any heat being “trapped” by incremental GHGs down there to keep it from getting back to space? Nope. Thankfully it doesn’t end up working that way. More here.
So CO2 over Atacama Desert radiating at 60C while the surface temperature is just above 0C. That is an impressive temperature inversion indicating that the radiating CO2 is above the tropopause. Also indicates that CO2, in the absence of water vapour, absorbs more sunlight than ice, which is radiating at MINUS 90C over much of Brazil and large regions of the oceans.
If Earth had a lot more CO2 in the atmosphere and no ice then CO2 would be capable of warming the planet.
The blindspot in the climate models is ice. It forms at a preset temperature and provides temperature control over most of the planet surface whether it is on the land surface, water surface or in the atmosphere. In fact, the mountains closer to the Equator than the Atacama Desert are covered in ice above 5000m.
As you say, there is something more going on over the Atacama desert than can be explained by the surface response to daily solar heating. There is a similar effect in the southwest US and much of Mexico, but not quite as intense. I need to dig into this a bit more.
I understand your sentiment, but climate change is at or near the bottom of concerns of people, where it belongs. At least not for those who haven’t been indoctrinated with CAGW claptrap and prognostications of imminent doom.
I know, David. But polls have always shown that. But those in charge just soldier on regardless of what the polls show. There are enough squeaky wheels to keep this going for a long time.
And I don’t think Trump will be able to do much about it. He’ll be sued by blue state AGs left and right.
The November 2009 release of all those emails should have stopped the madness. It didn’t. It will eventually collapse but, I’m 80 now and I don’t think I’ll see the end of it. People revolt only when they have nothing to lose. It’s going to take while yet. WUWT posters talk about soaring electric bills but so far $200 a month isn’t sending any mobs into the streets with torches & pitchforks.
The fight didn’t end with Trump’s election. It’s only just getting started. Too many Republicans don’t want to stop the government largess. The appeal of “free” money is too great. There’s too much pressure from lobbyists and special interests who don’t want the Green New Deal subsidies to end.
Maybe. But according to polling, about 3/4 of voters are in favor of cheap energy and don’t really care about “green”. It’s hard to overcome that kind of electoral pressure.
But the US voters aren’t voting on green energy issues. It’s not bad enough yet for that to be a primary concern. Leftists are voting that way, but not people who don’t engage in politics to a high degree.
It’s going to have to get a LOT worse before that’s the main thing driving people’s voting habits.
What is getting started? There is no fight. It’s just a TV show. Which now is more obvious than ever.
There was a tiny little possibility that a fight might start… 5 years ago. Obviously, there isn’t any now.
Otherwise, why exactly this “election” did not go the same way as the last one?
That time it was not too much hassle for a few trucks to run delivery and for Facehug to ban mentions of certain statistical laws. And the sky did not fall.
Merry Christmas to all and season’s greetings to others. Trying not to be a downer but Just when One thinks there is a hope of return to common sense many idiots(?) see a hero in a murderer. There truly is something amiss in many of what I call the regular folks. While there always are a few, the response in support of this man both in the media and on line is stunning and doesnt bode well. Profit/ success is becoming a reason for killing anyone
and to you Janice (Sorry for the x, but hard to make it work otherwise).
juanslayton
December 25, 2024 10:14 am
Those monkeys up in the coconut tree
Discussing things as they’re said to be
Are currently pondering something new.
It’s climate change, and CO2.
The elder advises his younger heirs,
“Don’t be taken in by the climate scares.
The climate has changed in the past, no doubt.
But human researchers can not figure out
If it’s dryer or wetter or colder or hot,
Or worser or better for all of our lot.
I say that our Maker has made it robust.
And I’ll stick with the motto that In God we trust.”
ps. All others still pay cash.
Janice Moore
December 25, 2024 11:00 am
And HAPPY CHANUKAH!🕎
Richard Greene
December 25, 2024 11:25 am
Incompetent leftists decided CO2 was a pollutant and want to waste trillions of dollars on Nut Zero. But finally, their incompetence caught up with them:
On Christmas 2024 we should be thankful for a year of leftist incompetence.
A leftist President who did not know which way was up.
Two leftist Ph.D. parents who managed to have a dingbat leftist daughter named Kamaliar.
The two leftist would be presidential assassins were incompetent too.
Leftist incompetence was our 2024 Christmas present. In 2020 we got two lumps of coal: Joe and Kamaliar.
Happy days are here again. The skies above are clear again. Let us sing a song of cheer again. Happy days are here again. Altogether shout it now. There’s no one who can doubt it now. So let’s tell the world all about it now. Happy days are here again. Your cares and troubles are gone. They’re be no more from now on”
I was referring to SCOTUS justices. On second thought, three of the five majority were appointed by Republican presidents. Now I;m pessimistic too!
According to a 2007 Supreme Court ruling in the case “Massachusetts v. EPA”, carbon dioxide (CO2) is considered a pollutant under the Clean Air Act, meaning the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has the authority to regulate it as such; effectively deciding that CO2 is a pollutant.
MAJORITY:
Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer (Souter, Kennedy, Stevens were appointed by Republicans GW Bush, Reagan and Ford)
DISSENT:
Scalia filed a dissenting opinion, in which Roberts, Thomas and Alito agreed.
If we stipulate to the premise that CO2 is regulatable by the EPA, at what level should it be regulated? Their beloved LNT completely falls apart and any limit they might set could be litigated into infinity. Anything less than a hard limit is arbitrary and on its face unconstitutional. Make them play by their own rules.
I would like to highly criticize Netflix and the National Football League for ruining a Christmas Day tradition for millions of people that has existed since pro football started being broadcast on television, that being the tradition of sitting around and watching football games on Christmas Day.
If you don’t have a Netflix streaming subscription, this Christmas, you are out of luck. NO football for you on Christmas Day.
When these Netflix games are scheduled, the NFL will broadcast them much later in the day (like 11pm at night). But that’s not the same as being able to watch them at the traditional time.
Here is the way I turn lemons into lemonaide in this situation: I record the late showings of the Netflix football games and watch them the next morning. A couple of benefits of doing this is I can skip over all the Netflix advertisements (hear that Netflix!) and my DVR skips ahead about 30 seconds at a time, and this has the additional benefit of allowing me to watch each play but skip over the boring and tiresome celebration demonstrations that take place after *every* play. The 30-second skip takes me essentially from one play to the beginning of the next without having to suffer through the ego trips of the players.
I subscribe to Netflix, but I’m going to cancel the subscription today as a protest to Netflix exclusively broadcasting NFL games and ruining Christmas this year for a lot of people. You see, not everyone has, or can afford a subscription to Netflix.
It’s all about the money anymore.
And money is going to ruin college football. It’s already happening. Too bad, so sad. Students are not playing for your college because they love your college and its traditions, they are playing for the college that pays them the most money. And they wear thick gold chains under their uniforms and drive high-dollar cars at schools. USC bought one of our quarterbacks a couple of years ago. They say he got a nice penthouse apartment overlooking Los Angeles as part of the transfer deal. He went on to win the Heisman Trophy. We got a better quarterback to replace him, but Oregon pays more money so he went there this year. He will probably play in the national championship this year.
Money is the root of all evil, so they say. It’s not doing football any good. No loyalty to fans? Only loyalty to money? No fanbase eventually.
I feel a little better now. 🙂
Sparta Nova 4
December 26, 2024 9:06 am
The truth will set you free.
Unfortunately so many do not wish to be free as they would then have to take responsibility for their actions and mistakes.
Until we get past that, people will believe any headline that reinforces their desire to not be free.
The good news is in the last election more than half the voters chose freedom.
Love the ‘Sour Santa’ look (:-))
All those pardons. Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to WUWT from the imager on GOES East! All I want for the children for Christmas is to be taught better than to believe the doomsters. And my New Year’s resolution is to keep exposing the core misconceptions that started all the “climate” concern to begin with.
Is any heat being “trapped” by incremental GHGs down there to keep it from getting back to space? Nope. Thankfully it doesn’t end up working that way. More here.
https://youtu.be/Yarzo13_TSE
So CO2 over Atacama Desert radiating at 60C while the surface temperature is just above 0C. That is an impressive temperature inversion indicating that the radiating CO2 is above the tropopause. Also indicates that CO2, in the absence of water vapour, absorbs more sunlight than ice, which is radiating at MINUS 90C over much of Brazil and large regions of the oceans.
If Earth had a lot more CO2 in the atmosphere and no ice then CO2 would be capable of warming the planet.
The blindspot in the climate models is ice. It forms at a preset temperature and provides temperature control over most of the planet surface whether it is on the land surface, water surface or in the atmosphere. In fact, the mountains closer to the Equator than the Atacama Desert are covered in ice above 5000m.
As you say, there is something more going on over the Atacama desert than can be explained by the surface response to daily solar heating. There is a similar effect in the southwest US and much of Mexico, but not quite as intense. I need to dig into this a bit more.
Merry Christmas to all
What I wish too to all reades and writers here !
🌲🧑🎄
Ho, Ho, Ho…….
Merry Christmas to all Sceptics.
Against all odds, we are winning.
Sadly, I do not share your optimism.
I understand your sentiment, but climate change is at or near the bottom of concerns of people, where it belongs. At least not for those who haven’t been indoctrinated with CAGW claptrap and prognostications of imminent doom.
I know, David. But polls have always shown that. But those in charge just soldier on regardless of what the polls show. There are enough squeaky wheels to keep this going for a long time.
And I don’t think Trump will be able to do much about it. He’ll be sued by blue state AGs left and right.
I would not say the Republicans have been soldiering on with alarmism and soon they will be in charge.
Again, there are too many RINOs to completely depend on Republicans to all do the right thing.
I think you are correct. Too much blackmail occurring, and too few with a spine… but…hope!
The November 2009 release of all those emails should have stopped the madness. It didn’t. It will eventually collapse but, I’m 80 now and I don’t think I’ll see the end of it. People revolt only when they have nothing to lose. It’s going to take while yet. WUWT posters talk about soaring electric bills but so far $200 a month isn’t sending any mobs into the streets with torches & pitchforks.
Indeed. Truth wins in the end. Every time.
The glaciers that covered Oetzi (after he died centuries before, high on ice-free Alps) were melting………………………. imperceptibly………
until……………. one day……
someone saw him.
And because he died where he did, the world knew that the earth had been much warmer in the past and, thus, that the TRUTH is:
“current warming is WELL-within the bounds of natural variation” (Lindzen, Happer, Clauser, and thousands of other honest, bona fide, scientists).
Take heart!
And,
Merry Christmas.
☃️🎄☃️🎄☃️🎄☃️🎄☃️🎄☃️
“Indeed. Truth wins in the end. Every time.”
That end can take a very long time.
Merry Christmas!!
PS The picture of Santa. Is that Anthony in a Santa suit? 😎
Zackly what I thought (-:
A grumpy old Santa in deep concentration!
MCHNY to all who deserve it.
Spelling it out was too hard?
Encouraging brain activity.
The fight didn’t end with Trump’s election. It’s only just getting started. Too many Republicans don’t want to stop the government largess. The appeal of “free” money is too great. There’s too much pressure from lobbyists and special interests who don’t want the Green New Deal subsidies to end.
Maybe. But according to polling, about 3/4 of voters are in favor of cheap energy and don’t really care about “green”. It’s hard to overcome that kind of electoral pressure.
But the US voters aren’t voting on green energy issues. It’s not bad enough yet for that to be a primary concern. Leftists are voting that way, but not people who don’t engage in politics to a high degree.
It’s going to have to get a LOT worse before that’s the main thing driving people’s voting habits.
Unless there are MANY thousands of phone calls and emails.
What is getting started? There is no fight. It’s just a TV show. Which now is more obvious than ever.
There was a tiny little possibility that a fight might start… 5 years ago. Obviously, there isn’t any now.
Otherwise, why exactly this “election” did not go the same way as the last one?
That time it was not too much hassle for a few trucks to run delivery and for Facehug to ban mentions of certain statistical laws. And the sky did not fall.
Algore:
https://rumble.com/v60vu1w-top-10-dumbest-al-gore-fails.html?e9s=src_v1_upp
Merry Christmas to all and season’s greetings to others. Trying not to be a downer but Just when One thinks there is a hope of return to common sense many idiots(?) see a hero in a murderer. There truly is something amiss in many of what I call the regular folks. While there always are a few, the response in support of this man both in the media and on line is stunning and doesnt bode well. Profit/ success is becoming a reason for killing anyone
Some more stunning news, do a Google search on this guy Tremaine Carroll
Here’s a link to Free Republic if you don’t like Google.
Merry Christmas to you all
i know some of you might not want to miss out on my update on the hole in the ozone layer.
https://breadonthewater.co.za/2024/12/20/the-hole-in-the-ozone/
Fishing for clicks again.
He. He. How would that help me? I only have some advertisement on from our friend who hosts our website for free.
Because pretty much everyone here is numerate, I’ll just say:
y=ln(x/m-sa)/r**2
rry =
…
merry xmas
🙂
and to you Janice (Sorry for the x, but hard to make it work otherwise).
Those monkeys up in the coconut tree
Discussing things as they’re said to be
Are currently pondering something new.
It’s climate change, and CO2.
The elder advises his younger heirs,
“Don’t be taken in by the climate scares.
The climate has changed in the past, no doubt.
But human researchers can not figure out
If it’s dryer or wetter or colder or hot,
Or worser or better for all of our lot.
I say that our Maker has made it robust.
And I’ll stick with the motto that In God we trust.”
ps. All others still pay cash.
And HAPPY CHANUKAH!🕎
Incompetent leftists decided CO2 was a pollutant and want to waste trillions of dollars on Nut Zero. But finally, their incompetence caught up with them:
On Christmas 2024 we should be thankful for a year of leftist incompetence.
A leftist President who did not know which way was up.
Two leftist Ph.D. parents who managed to have a dingbat leftist daughter named Kamaliar.
The two leftist would be presidential assassins were incompetent too.
Leftist incompetence was our 2024 Christmas present. In 2020 we got two lumps of coal: Joe and Kamaliar.
Happy days are here again. The skies above are clear again. Let us sing a song of cheer again. Happy days are here again. Altogether shout it now. There’s no one who can doubt it now. So let’s tell the world all about it now. Happy days are here again. Your cares and troubles are gone. They’re be no more from now on”
“Incompetent leftists decided CO2 was a pollutant”
If you think it was incompetence, then your premise is wrong-footed.
I remain pessimistic.
I was referring to SCOTUS justices. On second thought, three of the five majority were appointed by Republican presidents. Now I;m pessimistic too!
According to a 2007 Supreme Court ruling in the case “Massachusetts v. EPA”, carbon dioxide (CO2) is considered a pollutant under the Clean Air Act, meaning the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has the authority to regulate it as such; effectively deciding that CO2 is a pollutant.
MAJORITY:
Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer (Souter, Kennedy, Stevens were appointed by Republicans GW Bush, Reagan and Ford)
DISSENT:
Scalia filed a dissenting opinion, in which Roberts, Thomas and Alito agreed.
So here is the thing:
If we stipulate to the premise that CO2 is regulatable by the EPA, at what level should it be regulated? Their beloved LNT completely falls apart and any limit they might set could be litigated into infinity. Anything less than a hard limit is arbitrary and on its face unconstitutional. Make them play by their own rules.
Now, THAT’S OPTIMISM!
“. . . a dingbat leftist daughter named Kamaliar.”
For once you posted something I agree with.
Don’t let the tipping points to the dooming dogger you this Xmas and New Year-
Remains of lost British settlements found by archaeologists in the North Sea
I would like to highly criticize Netflix and the National Football League for ruining a Christmas Day tradition for millions of people that has existed since pro football started being broadcast on television, that being the tradition of sitting around and watching football games on Christmas Day.
If you don’t have a Netflix streaming subscription, this Christmas, you are out of luck. NO football for you on Christmas Day.
When these Netflix games are scheduled, the NFL will broadcast them much later in the day (like 11pm at night). But that’s not the same as being able to watch them at the traditional time.
Here is the way I turn lemons into lemonaide in this situation: I record the late showings of the Netflix football games and watch them the next morning. A couple of benefits of doing this is I can skip over all the Netflix advertisements (hear that Netflix!) and my DVR skips ahead about 30 seconds at a time, and this has the additional benefit of allowing me to watch each play but skip over the boring and tiresome celebration demonstrations that take place after *every* play. The 30-second skip takes me essentially from one play to the beginning of the next without having to suffer through the ego trips of the players.
I subscribe to Netflix, but I’m going to cancel the subscription today as a protest to Netflix exclusively broadcasting NFL games and ruining Christmas this year for a lot of people. You see, not everyone has, or can afford a subscription to Netflix.
It’s all about the money anymore.
And money is going to ruin college football. It’s already happening. Too bad, so sad. Students are not playing for your college because they love your college and its traditions, they are playing for the college that pays them the most money. And they wear thick gold chains under their uniforms and drive high-dollar cars at schools. USC bought one of our quarterbacks a couple of years ago. They say he got a nice penthouse apartment overlooking Los Angeles as part of the transfer deal. He went on to win the Heisman Trophy. We got a better quarterback to replace him, but Oregon pays more money so he went there this year. He will probably play in the national championship this year.
Money is the root of all evil, so they say. It’s not doing football any good. No loyalty to fans? Only loyalty to money? No fanbase eventually.
I feel a little better now. 🙂
The truth will set you free.
Unfortunately so many do not wish to be free as they would then have to take responsibility for their actions and mistakes.
Until we get past that, people will believe any headline that reinforces their desire to not be free.
The good news is in the last election more than half the voters chose freedom.
Hard to believe Hydrogen is failing:
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/12/23/another-day-another-hydrogen-transportation-failure-first-mode-edition/amp/