You sound a bit like the mentally unstable Prince William of Wales…
“”Speaking on the Outrage + Optimism podcast, Prince William said he gets “outraged by the inaction” on climate change, adding: “That’s probably a bit of a cliche but that is what I get most troubled about. Especially as I’m in a position of responsibility if you like, or leadership. I feel I can do a lot more if given that ability.
““”Speaking on the Outrage + Optimism podcast, Prince William said he gets “outraged by the inaction” on climate change,”
A Delusional Future King obviouly, freaking out over a benign gas like CO2.
The Delusional UK politicians are on the verge of putting the UK into bankruptcy trying to reduce the benign gas, CO2, but apparently that not enough, or not fast enough for the future king.
One thing we have learned with all this is that you can be a really stupid person and still be a leader of your political party. Of course, William gets the leadership by default.
Increased CO2 has increased the stupidity in the world.
If I could ask the future king a question I would ask him what piece of evidence does he base his fear of CO2 on? Does his fear have a base, or is it baseless?
People are easily fooled. Even Future Kings. This Future King is living in a False Reality. He has a lot of company.
Capacity is fine, but consumers need real energy affordability and reliability. The lack of these traits for wind and solar are major issues that constrain their adoption beyond the negative nuisance and parasitic impacts we suffer from today.
Fundamentally, chemistry and physics rule. Solar panels cannot be made without coal for both matter and energy. Coal is the chemical feedstock necessary to process and reduce silica (quartz) to silicon. Oil and natural gas are used for further refinement of silicon.
I’m trying to foresee an investment trend whereby money can be made in the areas of recycling and landfilling all of the hazardous wastes that solar panels and wind turbines generate. It’s coming. It’s going to be a growth industry, unfortunately the costs of which will fall upon taxpayers.
Coal is the chemical feedstock necessary to process and reduce silica (quartz) to silicon. Oil and natural gas are used for further refinement of silicon.
And in the final step for electronic grade silicon, electro-refining.
Don’t forget a few million gallons of acid used to produce the ultra pure polysilicon required.
The first step in cleaning silica to produce metallurgical grade silicon is to rinse it with a mixture of one part acid to one part water 1. This process is called acid leaching and is used to remove impurities such as iron, aluminum, and calcium from the silica 23. The purified silica is then heated with carbon in the form of coal or charcoal in an electrode arc furnace at a temperature of 1500-2000°C to produce metallurgical grade silicon that is 98% pure 45.
The hydrometallurgical purification method with different types of acids as solvents was chosen to refine MG-Si. Effects of hydrochloric acid, hydrofluoric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid in combination with each other as a solvent for purification of MG-Si were investigated.
Note: Yes, hydrofluoric acid!
So 600GW is a small number. Whatever helps you sleep at night
You have hit the nail on the head there. That 600GW produces nothing at night. It is completely useless. It is smaller than a small number. It is zero – nothing. Not even a small number.
China energy.. solar power is still next to NOTHING.
Everyone is terrified of Chinese EVs.. anyone sane, that is.
Even the Chinese have BANNED them from underground car parks.
ABC.. Australia … roflmao.. China is still building COAL fired power hand over foot, at least twice as fast as it is adding fake solar.. it will actually be used, and will stay in use for DECADES.
Largest turbine.. shortest life… biggest waste of money.
I’m not sure battery fires can be put out with water. You may need some special chemical fire retardant–if any exist. For instance, brakes fires that include magnesium cannot be put out with water–the burning magnesium steals the oxygen from the hydrogen. Also you can’t use CO2 extinguishers–the burning magnesium will steal the oxygen from the carbon. But your comment was funny and appropriate.
Thanks for that link, Cooper Mini was one of the EVs I looked at because I thought I wanted a two door hatch back electric. Took one for a spin at the local dealer. Very impressive. But we bought a hybrid about that time that gets double the mpg than the old trade-in. And then I began reading about plug-in hybrids. So far two door hatchbacks plug-ins aren’t made by anybody. So I will probably drive my 32 mpg 2009 Hyundai ’til it falls apart. I predict that I will fall apart first.
How about overpowered emotional support vehicles, i.e., Teslas? From an observational standpoint, these seem to have supplanted BMWs among the middle-aged white guys with ‘issues’ cohort.
Look at that landscape in your first link. Are you proud of such landscape destruction? I recall many environmentalists whining about how hideous golf courses are- unnatural, using herbicides, whatever. But look at this monstrosity.
Some of the corrupt leaders in Jamaica enriched themselves by conniving with European companies to install wind and solar systems at high capital cost and high interest rates.
Then came a Category 3 hurricane, which knocked down most of the wind turbines and destroyed the solar panels, none of which was designed for 150 mph winds. This is in addition of the usual damage from such a hurricane.
The European banks said we don’t care you have no power, etc. we want to be paid back the money you owe us.
The Jamaicans will be so screwed/impoverished for decades.
An ugly, gigantic heat island, worse than a small city
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That system produces nothing when the sun is awol for up to 5 to 7 days due to cloudiness, snow, and short days and long nights in winter,
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plus the production cost is at least 15 c/kWh, if mine to hazardous waste costs are included. On that basis CO2/kWh is at least 3 to 5 times greater than touted by woke folks.
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plus the cost of grid extension/reinforcement must be added, about 2 c/kWh,
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plus the cost of plants for counteracting the variable output must be added, about
2 c/kWh
plus the loss of ecosystem values- a real green space would sequester carbon (of course it’s not needed) while producing oxygen which we do need, wildlife habitat, soil and water shed protection, aesthetic values, etc.
Offshore Wind a Biden/Harris Suicide Pact . https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/biden-30-000-mw-of-offshore-wind-systems-by-2030-a-total-fantasy . Massachusetts woke, leftist, deficit-spending, government, supported by lapdog, bought and paid for corporate Media, rushing dubious testing of pieces of 391-ft long blades, in a 300-ft facility, and using “extrapolation” of test results, to meet Biden/Harris environmentally disastrous, 13 MW, 850-ft-tall offshore wind turbine erection goals, is most irresponsible, because . they produce electricity at 15 c/kWh, . plus 2 c/kWh for grid re-enforcement and extension, . plus 2 c/kWh for quick-reacting plants to counteracting the ups and downs of wind output, on a minute-by-minute basis, 24/7/365, including filling in during periods when there is almost no wind, which happen throughout the year, and could last 5 to 7 days. . AN ABSOLUTELY FOOL-PROOF WAY FOR MASSACHUSETTS, AND ALL OF NEW ENGLAND, TO BECOME EVEN MORE UNATTRACTIVE TO INVESTMENTS FROM PRIVATE UNSUBSIDIZED, TAX-PAYING, JOB-CREATING BUSINESSES, as has happened in Germany and the UK . Their leftist governments making woke energy decisions are having adverse GDP repercussions throughout Europe. . Regarding grid-spacing of offshore turbines . The first wind turbine takes energy from the air, which causes condensation, etc., similar to contrails of a plane The first wind turbine has the highest efficiency, because it has “less-disturbed” air The following wind turbines all have lesser efficiencies. Old news. This has been measured by owners, but no published . Stresses on 390-ft blades become enormous, as they sweep 800 ft circles through variable speed, sometimes gusty, wind fields. The wind speeds vary from top to bottom and from side to side in each 800-ft circle That creates huge VARYING, TORSIONAL forces on the blades as they rotate, in addition to all other forces. This is in no way comparable to much shorter airplane wings. Extrapolating existing designs for 391-ft blades is not applicable. The torsional failures of 391-ft blades require complete redesign.
I have multiple Wind turbines near my home. Contrary to popular believe on this site they also spin most of the time. I’m also still waiting for my windmill cancer.
Guess some people have wind renewable derangement syndrom 😀
Hang on. Previously you’ve said you get around on a bike and use public transport.
Where in Australia or NZ is there public transport anywhere near a wind farm installation?
Or roads / streets suitable for commuting by bicycle for that matter?
(I’m not talking about a distant glimpse of a remote hilltop with windmills on it that can be seen from a passing train or bus window, I’m talking about “near my home”).
The Ember webpage you link to starts with the words :
Ember’s analysis of the latest data on monthly capacity installations shows that …
A few weeks ago a WUWT post on solar in California pushed me to update my “Annual min-max solar production” spreadsheet for the GB (island of Great Britain) electricity grid, which I did in “background mode”.
I was too slow to take advantage of the WUWT post on solar in New York (city), but your post now gives me the opportunity to release the results of my musings.
30-minute “EMBEDDED_SOLAR_GENERATION” data can be downloaded for the GB grid operator (ESO) website from the following link :
Using existing “pre-processing” spreadsheets to reduce this to daily data gave me the following start point.
Notes
– A lot of the GB “Solar” production will be concentrated in the south-coast counties of England (Cornwall to Kent), which are located in the 50-51°N latitude band.
– Ideally the curve would be a smooth “pseudo-sinusoide” with a 12-month period, the effects of various weather events over a (relatively) large geographical area ensures that it isn’t.
– I can only attach 1 image file per WUWT post from my local hard disk, hence the “fragmentation” of my comment.
Monthly data, up to July 2024, for how much solar “capacity” has been installed — for both the GB grid and the UK a whole — is available from the following “GOV.UK” link :
Using another (pre-existing) “pre-processing” spreadsheet to get monthly data gave me the attached graph.
Note that for the “England south coast” 50-51°N latitude band the annual “capacity factor” is around 9-10%.
California goes from ~32.5-42°N. I have seen claims of 15-20% CFs from Californians, which seems reasonable for its “Mediterranean climate” closer to the equator.
A lot of my “spare time” these last few weeks was spent trying to figure out the “best” way to visualise an answer to the question :
“How many GWh of electrical energy do you get per GW of (nominal / nameplate / faceplate) capacity of solar panels ?”
The best I could come up with was the attached graph.
Constructive criticism, and suggestions for improvement(s), would be welcome.
Note that I have no idea why the annualised figure for the GB grid dropped from ~900 GWh [ per year per GW “capacity” ] from 2018 to 2020 to ~800 GWh […] in 2023/2024.
Some American websites claim 1400 GWh […]. Looking at various “PV power potential” and “Solar irradiance” maps of the USA, for southern California (+ Arizona + Nevada + western Texas) this seems reasonable.
Holdover from my multi-parameter scheme for electricity contributions :
CCGT = Dark “methane gas flame” blue
Wind = Sky blue Solar = Yellow (“obviously” …)
Those of you who have not (yet) fallen asleep may have noticed that I highlighted the two days in the last 12 months with the lowest and highest “daily GWh” accumulator values.
What does that “worst-case annual range” look like using the “30-minute averages” of the “raw” ESO data ?
When I did a similar exercise at the end of last year I looked at the various “(lies, damned lies and) statistical” ways of reducing a daily curve, graphing 48 data points, to a single number.
Updating that graph to use the 2023/4 dates (instead of the 2022/3 ones) gives us the following alternative perspective of my preceding graph.
Note that to equalise the “Peak” values required re-scaling the left-hand axis by a factor of 45 … and the GWh numbers are two orders of magnitude larger …
“Major climate agencies call global emissions peak.” Why not look at the actual data to find this out. No “calling.” No “models.” No “expert opinion.” Just look at the data. Has it peaked?
You are getting the attention you want — just not the kind you want.
Alan Welch
September 22, 2024 2:12 am
If there to be only one good thing to come out of all the climate research it could be the Climate Stripes Tartan. https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=13661
Not sure how to add a photo so could someone do this for me please.
If you’re on a desk top*, load the Image to somewhere on your computer’s hard drive, memory stick etc. (right lick on image select copy image and paste to your favorite image software. Save the file, and be sure to remember where.) Click on that little square image icon in the lower right hand corner. Your computer’s “File Explorer” or some such should come up. Find the image that you were supposed to remember where, select it, then click on [Open] It should come up in a few seconds. then post your comment.
*If you’re on an Ipad or phone good luck
If you build a man a fire, he’ll be warm for a day.
If you set a man on fire, he’ll be warm for the rest of his life.
This is not the image in your link. To add yours you need to first save the image to your computer (by right clicking on it)- then you can add it by clicking on the little icon in the lower right corner of a reply window.
But, I have a better idea of what climate stripes should look like. That is, what the climatistas ought to be wearing.
NOAA is out with the winter USA forecast. It involves the prediction of a mild to possibly moderate La Niña during December to February. This condition of sea water temperatures across the middle to south Pacific actually influences the USA, so the prediction is for colder and wetter in the NW and NE, and…….wait for it………hot and dry in Death Valley!
The concept of the “Effective Radiating Level” (ERL) associated with the lapse rate makes sense theoretically in a static condition. No dispute there.
But the earth is not static, and its atmosphere circulates. We can “watch” from space on the “CO2 Longwave IR” channel – the band 16 visualizations from the GOES East geostationary satellite, to see what happens.
Use this scale of “brightness temperature” as a proxy for ERL. “Colder” is higher, “warmer” is lower.
Compare these two recent images below. The first is yesterday September 21 at noon EDT. The second is midnight twelve hours earlier. The ERL is highly variable due to daytime solar heating and nighttime cooling, and it depends critically on the formation and dissipation of clouds. The static theory is therefore incomplete and misleading if one wishes to explain how favorable conditions are maintained for our amazing life on the surface.
What will happen as CO2 concentration rises? You can’t answer that question by talking about the ERL, the EEI (Earth’s Energy Imbalance), or the incremental static radiative effect (the “GHG forcing”). It is not sound reasoning to suggest so. No one “knows” that energy should be expected to accumulate as sensible heat down here, caused by what incremental non-condensing GHGs end up doing in the atmosphere.
Peak solar heating of the surface in the early afternoon. This is the Atacama desert area. Not much water vapor to impede strong longwave emission to space. Mexico and the southwest U.S. can sometimes look like this, but not so consistently. The time-lapse video I made last year shows this also. https://youtu.be/Yarzo13_TSE
What this does not show is how the cloud over the tropics is altering the thermalised solar. The white zones indicate -93C or 180K so only 60W/m^2 in OLR. This is down to 25% of the average or 180W/m^2 less than average. The reflected solar increases twice as much as the OLR falls over any daily average in these zones. Hence 360W/m^2 of the 420W/m^2 available solar is being reflected.
It is the ice over the tropical oceans that control the energy uptake on Earth. CO2 can only alter this by adding mass, which increases the moisture carrying capacity of the atmosphere and raises the altitude of the reflected cloud. So same increase in reflected solar but the radiating temperature even lower so less OLR going out. The present increase in atmospheric mass by the addition of carbon is unmeasurable; corresponding to unmeasurable increase in temperature.
The ice over the higher latitudes in both hemispheres helps to retain heat by lowering the radiating temperature. Once the atmospheric water level falls below 30mm, the atmosphere no longer produces convective instability so these regions can remain saturated and the cloud becomes persistent. There is very little sunlight to block so the main impact is to keep energy in by slowing the rate of loss. The critical temperature for oceans is around 15C. Below this value, 100% humidity can be sustained. In fact condensing regions like the western circulations of the oceans become supersaturated and perpetually condensing as observed in the western South Atlantic in the images.
An additional point about the ERL: The theoretical ERL at an overall emission temperature of 255K is between 5 and 6 km. The theoretical step change in the ERL when a 3.7 W/m^2 GHG “forcing” is applied is less than 200 meters. On the color scale, this would be the same as trying to distinguish between -18C blue and -19C blue in the image. This is another way of showing that the incremental radiative effect of even a doubling of CO2 cannot be isolated for reliable attribution of reported surface warming in the real atmosphere + land + ocean system.
strativarius
September 22, 2024 4:07 am
The Labour Party
Give generously…
Weasel government:
Last week, Starmer claimed that there had been no impact assessment on how the decision to strip millions of pensioners of winter fuel payments will affect them. He asserted: “There isn’t a report on my desk which somehow we’re not showing, that I’m not showing, as simple as that.” Turns out, that’s not true…
A response from the Treasury to a FOI request shows that they do have a “full internal policy impact assessment”, though refuse to publish it as it was part of the “formulation or development of government policy”.
Admit it, you did that just to agitate the Climate Alarmists. It sounds like you were successful. 🙂
Nick Jasper
September 22, 2024 9:04 am
So, this is WAY off topic even for WUWT, but I’m kind-of at the end of my rope.
I’ve been looking for some Outer’s Nitro Powder Solvent, and I’m hoping the vast and intelligent WUWT community can help me find some.
There is a website that ‘advertises’ that it has it, but two e-mails, a snail-mail, and a phone call have all been ignored. I can get to the website that lists an address on Cody Street, in Overland Park, Kansas. It is worse than useless.
I’ve checked numerous on-line retailers (C.T.D.; Sportsman’s, etc) and none seem to have it any longer. Some will know that the Outer’s brand, as well as several other brands, have all been purchased by Bushnell. There was a time that I had a great deal of respect for Bushnell, purchasing any number of products from them, but ‘customer service’ has become a cliche in present-day Bushnell.
Likely, many WUWT’ers use Hoppe’s. I will never purchase Hoppe’s again (made the mistake of buying a small bottle once; not only is it an inferior product, it stinks so badly that my ‘better half’ makes me clean things outside, rain, shine, or blizzard, so I won’t ever use it again).
Thanks in advance to anyone able to provide any assistance,
I appreciate your information. I am looking at alternate brands (there’s about a dozen or so on Cheaper Than Dirt); AND, I meant to say ‘Thank You’ to Mr. Rotter, and failed to do so. My apologies to Mr. Rotter for his attempt to assist.
So, heartfelt thanks to G.D. as well; I do not patronize Amazon (owned by those who have a political bent quite different from mine … … ). Do you know, perhaps, if it a ‘vendor’ who uses Amazon to get their products out to the marketplace, and thusly, I could do business directly with that vendor?
In the shop, I use what the shop provides (which includes Hoppe’s on occasion), but for my personal use, my preference is denatured alcohol. Literally squeaky clean bore and evaporates without residue. Has an odor but dissipates quickly. Flammable of course so take appropriate precautions.
For a complete takedown job, hard to beat Simple Green and Break-Free. These are marketed for car parts but work just as well for firearms. Simple Green is mildly corrosive so remember to rinse it off and let parts dry completely before lubing and reassembling.
Indeed; I’ve been using denatured as the ‘final step’ for all my cleaning for about five years or so. I’m sure you know all the standard safety protocols (good ventilation, gloves, eye shield … ). The downside to denatured is the precautions one must take. With Nitro Powder solvent, it doesn’t matter if it gets on your hands and such. It’s such a good ‘first pass’ that it’s hard to get things clean w/o it.
I also have a step where I use B.F. CLP, but my first chemical clean is Outers.
To understand the Church of Warming “science” refer to Ike.
“Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades. In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
Sundaylinks!
Solar power continues to surge in 2024
https://ember-climate.org/insights/in-brief/solar-power-continues-to-surge-in-2024/
Why the US is Terrified of Chinese Electric Cars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ5Fzx8_QBo
The rise of solar power and China’s staggering EV growth may have pushed global emissions into decline
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-21/major-climate-agencies-call-global-emissions-peak/104016030
Mingyang installs the world’s largest wind turbine with 20 MW
https://www.evwind.es/2024/09/21/mingyang-installs-the-worlds-largest-wind-turbine-with-20-mw/101104
You can ignore it, but it’s still happening 😛
Staggering propaganda from our Chinese minkey
The griffbot
“”You can ignore it, but…” it keeps plugging away with the Chinese whispers
Nothing biased here, nope.
Working that keyboard with one hand as well!
The small numbers growing fast fallacy. Nice examples.
So 600GW is a small number. Whatever helps you sleep at night
Moron.
It’s possible that you understand David’s point and are just trying to pretend you’re a moron, but I tend to go with Ockham’s.
please remember…
Mock it, and move on.
“”Whatever helps you sleep at night””
You sound a bit like the mentally unstable Prince William of Wales…
“”Speaking on the Outrage + Optimism podcast, Prince William said he gets “outraged by the inaction” on climate change, adding: “That’s probably a bit of a cliche but that is what I get most troubled about. Especially as I’m in a position of responsibility if you like, or leadership. I feel I can do a lot more if given that ability.
“So therefore, I don’t understand why those who have the levers, don’t. I think that’s what really upsets me and keeps me awake at night.””
https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2020102399593/prince-william-climate-change-optimism-and-outrage-podcast/
Funny that.
The road back to feudalism is so dreadfully slow, isn’t it your royal highness?
Leadership that is earned by skill and effort is more valuable than inheritance.
Geoff S
““”Speaking on the Outrage + Optimism podcast, Prince William said he gets “outraged by the inaction” on climate change,”
A Delusional Future King obviouly, freaking out over a benign gas like CO2.
The Delusional UK politicians are on the verge of putting the UK into bankruptcy trying to reduce the benign gas, CO2, but apparently that not enough, or not fast enough for the future king.
One thing we have learned with all this is that you can be a really stupid person and still be a leader of your political party. Of course, William gets the leadership by default.
Increased CO2 has increased the stupidity in the world.
If I could ask the future king a question I would ask him what piece of evidence does he base his fear of CO2 on? Does his fear have a base, or is it baseless?
People are easily fooled. Even Future Kings. This Future King is living in a False Reality. He has a lot of company.
Capacity is fine, but consumers need real energy affordability and reliability. The lack of these traits for wind and solar are major issues that constrain their adoption beyond the negative nuisance and parasitic impacts we suffer from today.
Fundamentally, chemistry and physics rule. Solar panels cannot be made without coal for both matter and energy. Coal is the chemical feedstock necessary to process and reduce silica (quartz) to silicon. Oil and natural gas are used for further refinement of silicon.
I’m trying to foresee an investment trend whereby money can be made in the areas of recycling and landfilling all of the hazardous wastes that solar panels and wind turbines generate. It’s coming. It’s going to be a growth industry, unfortunately the costs of which will fall upon taxpayers.
And in the final step for electronic grade silicon, electro-refining.
Don’t forget a few million gallons of acid used to produce the ultra pure polysilicon required.
The first step in cleaning silica to produce metallurgical grade silicon is to rinse it with a mixture of one part acid to one part water 1. This process is called acid leaching and is used to remove impurities such as iron, aluminum, and calcium from the silica 23. The purified silica is then heated with carbon in the form of coal or charcoal in an electrode arc furnace at a temperature of 1500-2000°C to produce metallurgical grade silicon that is 98% pure 45.
The hydrometallurgical purification method with different types of acids as solvents was chosen to refine MG-Si. Effects of hydrochloric acid, hydrofluoric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid in combination with each other as a solvent for purification of MG-Si were investigated.
Note: Yes, hydrofluoric acid!
1. link.springer.com2. link.springer.com3. academia.edu4. pveducation.org5. bing.com6. link.springer.com7. link.springer.com
Yes, capacity nameplate metrics on windmills is like the 120 mph mark on a Ford Fiesta’s speedometer.
We all know that the speedo needle ain’t never gonna touch that mark.
“. . . unfortunately the costs of which will fall upon taxpayers.”
Every stupid liberal idea (I know–redundant) costs taxpayers.
At a 10% capacity factor.. Yes, it is a tiny number.
“Whatever helps you sleep at night”
I don’t like lights on at night when I sleep.
Solar provides that. !
You have hit the nail on the head there. That 600GW produces nothing at night. It is completely useless. It is smaller than a small number. It is zero – nothing. Not even a small number.
China energy.. solar power is still next to NOTHING.
Everyone is terrified of Chinese EVs.. anyone sane, that is.
Even the Chinese have BANNED them from underground car parks.
ABC.. Australia … roflmao.. China is still building COAL fired power hand over foot, at least twice as fast as it is adding fake solar.. it will actually be used, and will stay in use for DECADES.
Largest turbine.. shortest life… biggest waste of money.
And tell us little monkey.. How much electricity will that provide to Beijing and Shanghai at night time?
Two of the brightest lit cities in the world.
None, and that’s one of the fundamental problems.
The CCP takes care of its own, but Chinese people outside of its first and second tier cities have low expectations of reliable electricity.
Now there’s some real social bias. All the Marxist/Communist countries treat their farmers and rural populations like lepers.
Did you hear of the 140,000 Mini EVs recalled because of the risk of fire. !
Mini Recalls 140,000 EVs Over Battery Fire Risk (motor1.com)
Of course, Chinese EVs won’t be recalled, even though they almost certainly have a higher risk of fire.
Have you got your licence yet, little monkey?
Tell us when you buy an EV, so we can write your epitaph. 🙂
EV semis will cause problems for fire departments in addition to shutting down roads and highways. For example, see video.
You need 2 EV semis, one to haul the cargo and the other to haul the batteries.
And the battery hauler should be a diesel.
And a third to haul the water to put out the fire.
I’m not sure battery fires can be put out with water. You may need some special chemical fire retardant–if any exist. For instance, brakes fires that include magnesium cannot be put out with water–the burning magnesium steals the oxygen from the hydrogen. Also you can’t use CO2 extinguishers–the burning magnesium will steal the oxygen from the carbon. But your comment was funny and appropriate.
Oh yeah, these will be a joke
Its epitaph would only apply if the power gets cut and it hasn’t been backed up.
Thanks for that link, Cooper Mini was one of the EVs I looked at because I thought I wanted a two door hatch back electric. Took one for a spin at the local dealer. Very impressive. But we bought a hybrid about that time that gets double the mpg than the old trade-in. And then I began reading about plug-in hybrids. So far two door hatchbacks plug-ins aren’t made by anybody. So I will probably drive my 32 mpg 2009 Hyundai ’til it falls apart. I predict that I will fall apart first.
Story Tip.
Another problem with EVs, their extra weight means that guardrails may not be effective.
Heavy Hitters: EVs Smash Through Guardrails, Raising New Safety Concerns – Climate Change Dispatch
Oversized emotional support vehicles are a problem in general.
I wish there was a truly compact pickup truck available in the U.S. I’m hopeful that Subaru will resurrect its Baja with some improvements.
I’d really like one with good performance, 4WD and a manual transmission.
Compact pickups got regulated out of existence after in 90s, as I recall.
The EPA has made it impossible to build one that complies with emission requirements.
The EPA should go away. We can thank stupid Nixon for that agency.
Was that the same as a Subaru Brumby?
It seems the Brat (U.S. and Canada) and Brumby (Australia) were the same model and came before the Baja.
Lusername is a denier, what a surprise.
What a moronic comment. And you shouldn’t talk about your granny that way.
How about overpowered emotional support vehicles, i.e., Teslas? From an observational standpoint, these seem to have supplanted BMWs among the middle-aged white guys with ‘issues’ cohort.
Look at that landscape in your first link. Are you proud of such landscape destruction? I recall many environmentalists whining about how hideous golf courses are- unnatural, using herbicides, whatever. But look at this monstrosity.
Waiting for the next hailstorm?
Shard-enfreude!
LOL
Some of the corrupt leaders in Jamaica enriched themselves by conniving with European companies to install wind and solar systems at high capital cost and high interest rates.
Then came a Category 3 hurricane, which knocked down most of the wind turbines and destroyed the solar panels, none of which was designed for 150 mph winds. This is in addition of the usual damage from such a hurricane.
The European banks said we don’t care you have no power, etc. we want to be paid back the money you owe us.
The Jamaicans will be so screwed/impoverished for decades.
Or a strafing run with 2cm ball bearings 🙂
Human activity has impact, and if you think the alternatives are better – visit one of the bulldozed german villages that are now coal mines.
How many villages are going to be bulldozed for a coal mine? Compared to the millions of acres of landscape covered with solar “farms”?
And all the pristine ranges destroyed to install wind factories.
An ugly, gigantic heat island, worse than a small city
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That system produces nothing when the sun is awol for up to 5 to 7 days due to cloudiness, snow, and short days and long nights in winter,
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plus the production cost is at least 15 c/kWh, if mine to hazardous waste costs are included. On that basis CO2/kWh is at least 3 to 5 times greater than touted by woke folks.
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plus the cost of grid extension/reinforcement must be added, about 2 c/kWh,
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plus the cost of plants for counteracting the variable output must be added, about
2 c/kWh
plus the loss of ecosystem values- a real green space would sequester carbon (of course it’s not needed) while producing oxygen which we do need, wildlife habitat, soil and water shed protection, aesthetic values, etc.
Yes, Joe, here is another boondoggle
Offshore Wind a Biden/Harris Suicide Pact
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https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/biden-30-000-mw-of-offshore-wind-systems-by-2030-a-total-fantasy
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Massachusetts woke, leftist, deficit-spending, government, supported by lapdog, bought and paid for corporate Media, rushing dubious testing of pieces of 391-ft long blades, in a 300-ft facility, and using “extrapolation” of test results, to meet Biden/Harris environmentally disastrous, 13 MW, 850-ft-tall offshore wind turbine erection goals, is most irresponsible, because
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they produce electricity at 15 c/kWh,
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plus 2 c/kWh for grid re-enforcement and extension,
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plus 2 c/kWh for quick-reacting plants to counteracting the ups and downs of wind output, on a minute-by-minute basis, 24/7/365, including filling in during periods when there is almost no wind, which happen throughout the year, and could last 5 to 7 days.
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AN ABSOLUTELY FOOL-PROOF WAY FOR MASSACHUSETTS, AND ALL OF NEW ENGLAND, TO BECOME EVEN MORE UNATTRACTIVE TO INVESTMENTS FROM PRIVATE UNSUBSIDIZED, TAX-PAYING, JOB-CREATING BUSINESSES, as has happened in Germany and the UK
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Their leftist governments making woke energy decisions are having adverse GDP repercussions throughout Europe.
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Regarding grid-spacing of offshore turbines
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The first wind turbine takes energy from the air, which causes condensation, etc., similar to contrails of a plane
The first wind turbine has the highest efficiency, because it has “less-disturbed” air
The following wind turbines all have lesser efficiencies. Old news.
This has been measured by owners, but no published
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Stresses on 390-ft blades become enormous, as they sweep 800 ft circles through variable speed, sometimes gusty, wind fields.
The wind speeds vary from top to bottom and from side to side in each 800-ft circle
That creates huge VARYING, TORSIONAL forces on the blades as they rotate, in addition to all other forces.
This is in no way comparable to much shorter airplane wings.
Extrapolating existing designs for 391-ft blades is not applicable.
The torsional failures of 391-ft blades require complete redesign.
” how hideous golf courses are”
You could still use that for golf practice. 🙂
Only someone with severe brain damage would believe that.
If true, why worry about curbing our emissions?
Would you be thrilled if a company decides to build some of those near YOUR home?
I have multiple Wind turbines near my home. Contrary to popular believe on this site they also spin most of the time. I’m also still waiting for my windmill cancer.
Guess some people have
windrenewable derangement syndrom 😀How near? Visible from your dwelling? If you like them, terrific. Few people want them near their dwellings.
Now I understand. The subsonic emissions are scrambling your brains.
You may already be affected by those wind turbines, based on the dislikes on your less than rational.comments
“They also spin most of the time”
But you spin all the time.
Hang on.
Previously you’ve said you get around on a bike and use public transport.
Where in Australia or NZ is there public transport anywhere near a wind farm installation?
Or roads / streets suitable for commuting by bicycle for that matter?
(I’m not talking about a distant glimpse of a remote hilltop with windmills on it that can be seen from a passing train or bus window, I’m talking about “near my home”).
Luser just invents these things in his puerile little mind.
It is a rabid leftist, therefore a rabid LIAR.
We can expect that to be a COMPLETE LIE, just like every other comment the Luser makes.
That explains the brain damage.
The Ember webpage you link to starts with the words :
A few weeks ago a WUWT post on solar in California pushed me to update my “Annual min-max solar production” spreadsheet for the GB (island of Great Britain) electricity grid, which I did in “background mode”.
I was too slow to take advantage of the WUWT post on solar in New York (city), but your post now gives me the opportunity to release the results of my musings.
30-minute “EMBEDDED_SOLAR_GENERATION” data can be downloaded for the GB grid operator (ESO) website from the following link :
URL 1 : https://www.nationalgrideso.com/data-portal/historic-demand-data
Using existing “pre-processing” spreadsheets to reduce this to daily data gave me the following start point.
Notes
– A lot of the GB “Solar” production will be concentrated in the south-coast counties of England (Cornwall to Kent), which are located in the 50-51°N latitude band.
– Ideally the curve would be a smooth “pseudo-sinusoide” with a 12-month period, the effects of various weather events over a (relatively) large geographical area ensures that it isn’t.
– I can only attach 1 image file per WUWT post from my local hard disk, hence the “fragmentation” of my comment.
Monthly data, up to July 2024, for how much solar “capacity” has been installed — for both the GB grid and the UK a whole — is available from the following “GOV.UK” link :
URL 2 : https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/solar-photovoltaics-deployment
Using another (pre-existing) “pre-processing” spreadsheet to get monthly data gave me the attached graph.
Note that for the “England south coast” 50-51°N latitude band the annual “capacity factor” is around 9-10%.
California goes from ~32.5-42°N. I have seen claims of 15-20% CFs from Californians, which seems reasonable for its “Mediterranean climate” closer to the equator.
NY state goes from ~40.5-45°N.
YMMV …
A lot of my “spare time” these last few weeks was spent trying to figure out the “best” way to visualise an answer to the question :
“How many GWh of electrical energy do you get per GW of (nominal / nameplate / faceplate) capacity of solar panels ?”
The best I could come up with was the attached graph.
Constructive criticism, and suggestions for improvement(s), would be welcome.
Note that I have no idea why the annualised figure for the GB grid dropped from ~900 GWh [ per year per GW “capacity” ] from 2018 to 2020 to ~800 GWh […] in 2023/2024.
Some American websites claim 1400 GWh […]. Looking at various “PV power potential” and “Solar irradiance” maps of the USA, for southern California (+ Arizona + Nevada + western Texas) this seems reasonable.
Yellow color for the graph sucks. How about green or blue?
Holdover from my multi-parameter scheme for electricity contributions :
CCGT = Dark “methane gas flame” blue
Wind = Sky blue
Solar = Yellow (“obviously” …)
My default single-parameter colour is dark blue …
How does the following version compare ?
Those of you who have not (yet) fallen asleep may have noticed that I highlighted the two days in the last 12 months with the lowest and highest “daily GWh” accumulator values.
What does that “worst-case annual range” look like using the “30-minute averages” of the “raw” ESO data ?
When I did a similar exercise at the end of last year I looked at the various “(lies, damned lies and) statistical” ways of reducing a daily curve, graphing 48 data points, to a single number.
Updating that graph to use the 2023/4 dates (instead of the 2022/3 ones) gives us the following alternative perspective of my preceding graph.
Note that to equalise the “Peak” values required re-scaling the left-hand axis by a factor of 45 … and the GWh numbers are two orders of magnitude larger …
Good analysis
“Major climate agencies call global emissions peak.” Why not look at the actual data to find this out. No “calling.” No “models.” No “expert opinion.” Just look at the data. Has it peaked?
You can ignore it, but it’s still happening 😜
EV sales collapse in Germany
China bans EVs from underground parking
As global electric vehicle sales growth slows, carmakers and regulators are asking an existential question: is the current slowdown a blip?
Volvo, Ford, Porsche, General Motors and many others are stepping back from EVs
Got yer own battery car yet, hypocrite?
Odd that it never answers that question 😉
Very odd this.
You are getting the attention you want — just not the kind you want.
If there to be only one good thing to come out of all the climate research it could be the Climate Stripes Tartan.
https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=13661
Not sure how to add a photo so could someone do this for me please.
If you’re on a desk top*, load the Image to somewhere on your computer’s hard drive, memory stick etc. (right lick on image select copy image and paste to your favorite image software. Save the file, and be sure to remember where.) Click on that little square image icon in the lower right hand corner. Your computer’s “File Explorer” or some such should come up. Find the image that you were supposed to remember where, select it, then click on [Open] It should come up in a few seconds. then post your comment.
*If you’re on an Ipad or phone good luck
If you build a man a fire, he’ll be warm for a day.
If you set a man on fire, he’ll be warm for the rest of his life.
Everyone following the link will see the photo.
The photo link has nö graphic specific ending like GIF or jpg.
Le voilà
This is not the image in your link. To add yours you need to first save the image to your computer (by right clicking on it)- then you can add it by clicking on the little icon in the lower right corner of a reply window.
But, I have a better idea of what climate stripes should look like. That is, what the climatistas ought to be wearing.
Didn’t know trump is a climatista 😛
Tyrannical governments take political prisoners. That’s nothing new, just like your use of fallacious arguments.
https://youtu.be/qpyFjUsm2PU
You poor monkey…. Trump is a REALIST, totally the opposite of you.
” Is the wind blowing to day, dear… I’d like to watch TV.”
Your TDS slip is showing
There is absolutely ZERO legitimate reason Trump should ever be in jail.
Should that be Mikey Mann?
NOAA is out with the winter USA forecast. It involves the prediction of a mild to possibly moderate La Niña during December to February. This condition of sea water temperatures across the middle to south Pacific actually influences the USA, so the prediction is for colder and wetter in the NW and NE, and…….wait for it………hot and dry in Death Valley!
I’m going check the Farmer’s Almanac forecast. I wonder: Does NOAA ripoff the FA?
It’s raining in Colorado, has been for 12 hours or so. Barrels are full.
I repaired my “free” snowblower a couple of days ago (spent about $100 on parts). I hope the main repair holds.
Based on what I have seen, I do not recommend Poulan/Husqvarna machines as engineering of their control console is poor.
Furnace Creek February 2015
The concept of the “Effective Radiating Level” (ERL) associated with the lapse rate makes sense theoretically in a static condition. No dispute there.
But the earth is not static, and its atmosphere circulates. We can “watch” from space on the “CO2 Longwave IR” channel – the band 16 visualizations from the GOES East geostationary satellite, to see what happens.
Use this scale of “brightness temperature” as a proxy for ERL. “Colder” is higher, “warmer” is lower.
Compare these two recent images below. The first is yesterday September 21 at noon EDT. The second is midnight twelve hours earlier. The ERL is highly variable due to daytime solar heating and nighttime cooling, and it depends critically on the formation and dissipation of clouds. The static theory is therefore incomplete and misleading if one wishes to explain how favorable conditions are maintained for our amazing life on the surface.
What will happen as CO2 concentration rises? You can’t answer that question by talking about the ERL, the EEI (Earth’s Energy Imbalance), or the incremental static radiative effect (the “GHG forcing”). It is not sound reasoning to suggest so. No one “knows” that energy should be expected to accumulate as sensible heat down here, caused by what incremental non-condensing GHGs end up doing in the atmosphere.
What will these look like in NA winter?
More blue more of the time in NA.
What was the red spot in Peru?
The red color indicates very strong emission of longwave radiation to space in the Atacama desert region of Chile, Bolivia, and Peru.
What is going on in Bolivia and northern Chile at 18:00Z?
Peak solar heating of the surface in the early afternoon. This is the Atacama desert area. Not much water vapor to impede strong longwave emission to space. Mexico and the southwest U.S. can sometimes look like this, but not so consistently. The time-lapse video I made last year shows this also.
https://youtu.be/Yarzo13_TSE
What this does not show is how the cloud over the tropics is altering the thermalised solar. The white zones indicate -93C or 180K so only 60W/m^2 in OLR. This is down to 25% of the average or 180W/m^2 less than average. The reflected solar increases twice as much as the OLR falls over any daily average in these zones. Hence 360W/m^2 of the 420W/m^2 available solar is being reflected.
It is the ice over the tropical oceans that control the energy uptake on Earth. CO2 can only alter this by adding mass, which increases the moisture carrying capacity of the atmosphere and raises the altitude of the reflected cloud. So same increase in reflected solar but the radiating temperature even lower so less OLR going out. The present increase in atmospheric mass by the addition of carbon is unmeasurable; corresponding to unmeasurable increase in temperature.
The ice over the higher latitudes in both hemispheres helps to retain heat by lowering the radiating temperature. Once the atmospheric water level falls below 30mm, the atmosphere no longer produces convective instability so these regions can remain saturated and the cloud becomes persistent. There is very little sunlight to block so the main impact is to keep energy in by slowing the rate of loss. The critical temperature for oceans is around 15C. Below this value, 100% humidity can be sustained. In fact condensing regions like the western circulations of the oceans become supersaturated and perpetually condensing as observed in the western South Atlantic in the images.
Correction to the times I gave. 18Z is 2pm EDT, and 06Z is 2am.
An additional point about the ERL: The theoretical ERL at an overall emission temperature of 255K is between 5 and 6 km. The theoretical step change in the ERL when a 3.7 W/m^2 GHG “forcing” is applied is less than 200 meters. On the color scale, this would be the same as trying to distinguish between -18C blue and -19C blue in the image. This is another way of showing that the incremental radiative effect of even a doubling of CO2 cannot be isolated for reliable attribution of reported surface warming in the real atmosphere + land + ocean system.
The Labour Party
Give generously…
Weasel government:
Last week, Starmer claimed that there had been no impact assessment on how the decision to strip millions of pensioners of winter fuel payments will affect them. He asserted: “There isn’t a report on my desk which somehow we’re not showing, that I’m not showing, as simple as that.” Turns out, that’s not true…
A response from the Treasury to a FOI request shows that they do have a “full internal policy impact assessment”, though refuse to publish it as it was part of the “formulation or development of government policy”.
https://order-order.com/2024/09/19/treasury-admits-it-has-secret-winter-fuel-impact-assessment/
The report may have been in a drawer or electronic file.
Rapidly establishing a reputation as the most dishonest PM ever (Bliar excepted maybe).
What is MP#C ?
We have a website called NextDoor. My area is full of liberals.
I asked last week about the electric car ratings of “MP#C”.
All I got werevery few responses, mostly recommendations of what EV car to buy.
Finally someone asked what “MP#C”was.
When I stated it was “miles per pound of coal”
MAN! Let the vitriol start – Tons of nasty responses 🙂
It’s true, without coal there are exactly zero battery cars.
Admit it, you did that just to agitate the Climate Alarmists. It sounds like you were successful. 🙂
So, this is WAY off topic even for WUWT, but I’m kind-of at the end of my rope.
I’ve been looking for some Outer’s Nitro Powder Solvent, and I’m hoping the vast and intelligent WUWT community can help me find some.
There is a website that ‘advertises’ that it has it, but two e-mails, a snail-mail, and a phone call have all been ignored. I can get to the website that lists an address on Cody Street, in Overland Park, Kansas. It is worse than useless.
I’ve checked numerous on-line retailers (C.T.D.; Sportsman’s, etc) and none seem to have it any longer. Some will know that the Outer’s brand, as well as several other brands, have all been purchased by Bushnell. There was a time that I had a great deal of respect for Bushnell, purchasing any number of products from them, but ‘customer service’ has become a cliche in present-day Bushnell.
Likely, many WUWT’ers use Hoppe’s. I will never purchase Hoppe’s again (made the mistake of buying a small bottle once; not only is it an inferior product, it stinks so badly that my ‘better half’ makes me clean things outside, rain, shine, or blizzard, so I won’t ever use it again).
Thanks in advance to anyone able to provide any assistance,
Nick J
You can purchase directly from the manufacturer.
https://www.outers-guncare.com/products/chemicals/cleaners-degreasers.aspx
Hi Mr. Rotter:
Yes, that’s the website I referenced above.
NJ
Thanks. That reminds me that I haven’t cleaned my guns since before my girls got married.
I guess you think that it is now their husband’s problem. 🙂
You’re looking for Outer’s Nitro Powder Solvent but can’t find it and you don’t like Hoppe’s.
Perhaps another brand would work for you?
PS I just saw Outer’s advertised on Amazon.
I appreciate your information. I am looking at alternate brands (there’s about a dozen or so on Cheaper Than Dirt); AND, I meant to say ‘Thank You’ to Mr. Rotter, and failed to do so. My apologies to Mr. Rotter for his attempt to assist.
So, heartfelt thanks to G.D. as well; I do not patronize Amazon (owned by those who have a political bent quite different from mine … … ). Do you know, perhaps, if it a ‘vendor’ who uses Amazon to get their products out to the marketplace, and thusly, I could do business directly with that vendor?
Thnx,
NJ
Perhaps try MidwayUSA.com
Yes, I missed that one! Will do ASAP. Thnx.
In the shop, I use what the shop provides (which includes Hoppe’s on occasion), but for my personal use, my preference is denatured alcohol. Literally squeaky clean bore and evaporates without residue. Has an odor but dissipates quickly. Flammable of course so take appropriate precautions.
For a complete takedown job, hard to beat Simple Green and Break-Free. These are marketed for car parts but work just as well for firearms. Simple Green is mildly corrosive so remember to rinse it off and let parts dry completely before lubing and reassembling.
Hi Dred,
Indeed; I’ve been using denatured as the ‘final step’ for all my cleaning for about five years or so. I’m sure you know all the standard safety protocols (good ventilation, gloves, eye shield … ). The downside to denatured is the precautions one must take. With Nitro Powder solvent, it doesn’t matter if it gets on your hands and such. It’s such a good ‘first pass’ that it’s hard to get things clean w/o it.
I also have a step where I use B.F. CLP, but my first chemical clean is Outers.
Or, at least it was … … …
NJ
I just looked again and there were a number of kits and individual bottles.
I did check them all but one kit shipped from BOSQUE Outdoors
OOPS!
That should be I DIDN’T check them all …
Will check it out; thanks!
Leave it to so called scientists to claim the return to normal CO2 levels is a bad thing:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/09/19/earth-temperature-global-warming-planet/
To understand the Church of Warming “science” refer to Ike.
“Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades. In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
Dwight Eisenhower