Climate debate: Reasons for optimism

From Tom Nelson’s Substack

tom nelson Tom Nelson

The fact that so many people, including doctors such as Robert Malone, are now pushing back against the climate scam is a *very* positive development.

After discovering so many massive, high-profile lies in recent years, large numbers of people are asking themselves “What else are they lying about?”, and the answer is “just about everything”.

Elites tried for the Great Reset but they got a Great Awakening.

Some more reasons for optimism:

  1. Climate Nexus, a warmist organization which pushed climate hysteria for over a decade and had tens of employees, suddenly threw in the towel a few months ago.
  2. The Daily Kos ClimateDenierRoundup page, which spewed climate scam propaganda incessantly (2,200 posts!) for many years, abruptly stopped posting in December 2023.
  3. Joe Rogan, with his huge audience, was a full-on warmist in 2018 but now routinely scoffs at the climate scam:
  1. As a long-time reader of replies and comment sections on social media, I’ve seen a heartwarming increase in the number of climate realists pushing back.

One example:

  1. Facing increasing pushback, many warmist scientists have become less active on X, or have left X altogether. NASA’s Gavin Schmidt is one example.
  2. In recent months, lots of companies have been abandoning climate goals. Air New Zealand is one example.
  3. For eight weeks, Greta Thunberg didn’t bother to tweet a photo of herself with a “climate” sign. Even climate change’s poster child seems to be less interested in pushing this scam.

Subscribe to Tom Nelson

Skeptical thoughts

5 19 votes
Article Rating

Discover more from Watts Up With That?

Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.

124 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
J Boles
September 14, 2024 10:09 am

YES! Even the most dyed in the wool true believers must be questioning what will happen to them if the climate scam is pushed further, they too will become poor peasants with no fossil fuels to use, just serfs under the billionaires feet.

Reply to  J Boles
September 14, 2024 10:21 am

Yeah, with an EV they can charge from photovoltaic panels on their roof, good public transport and clean air. The horrible vision of self-sufficiency. Better being dependent on a few big cooperations – that’s true freedom.

J Boles
Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 10:34 am

Is that what you do? I doubt it. I know a guy down the street, old liberal, talks about climate change but then has NO solar panels on the roof, and drives the big camper 1000 miles out west every year, typical hypocrite. A dime a dozen!

Reply to  J Boles
September 14, 2024 11:15 am

Several years ago when I was arguing with a much of climate nuts- I found out one had a “hummer”. I embarrassed him in front of his comrades.

Scissor
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
September 14, 2024 11:31 am

Kamala would be proud.

DonK31
Reply to  Scissor
September 14, 2024 1:43 pm

And Willie Brown would have been happy.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
September 14, 2024 2:41 pm

Arnold Schwarzenegger owned several extra-large vehicles including the bummer while he supported stopping climate change the turd simply didn’t think he was a flaming hypocrite.

Reply to  Sunsettommy
September 15, 2024 4:14 am

True, but he is is a cool dude, otherwise. He often disses his father for having been a Nazi.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
September 14, 2024 5:15 pm

Trump says EV’s are incredible.

Reply to  scvblwxq
September 14, 2024 8:43 pm

He also says they are a very niche item and should never be forced onto people.

He also said they have very serious issues usability.

Corrigenda
Reply to  scvblwxq
September 15, 2024 12:59 am

He is right, they truly do beggar belief. Perhaps though not in the way you would like. The entire concept of non-hybrid EVs is nonsensical

Reply to  scvblwxq
September 15, 2024 4:18 am

They are kinda neat if you forget about all the issues/problems/costs associated with them. And the fact that we’re gonna lose our freedom to choose.

strativarius
Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 11:07 am

they can charge from photovoltaic panels on their roof

But not overnight. Any more non practical suggestions?

Reply to  strativarius
September 14, 2024 11:28 am

Charge EVs at home, during the day, when most people are away at work, right?

Reply to  More Soylent Green!
September 14, 2024 11:40 am

MuN certainly has an IQ problem.

strativarius
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
September 14, 2024 11:50 am

WFH is the only alternative – Username’s 15 minute gulag.

Reply to  More Soylent Green!
September 14, 2024 11:40 pm

Have 2 EVs and charge alternate days?

J Boles
Reply to  strativarius
September 14, 2024 12:44 pm

What if they come from the land of the midnight sun, of the ice and snow, where the hot springs blow? (just kidding, the immigrant song)

Alan M
Reply to  J Boles
September 15, 2024 2:04 am

“Of the ice and snow, of the midnight sun, where the hot spring flow”.. Sorry to be pedantic.

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 11:14 am

You seem to have a learning problem. 🙂

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 11:27 am

Better being dependent on a few big cooperations – that’s true freedom

I assume you mean corporations. I’ll also give you the benefit of the doubt that autocorrect made that mistake.

But if you believe Big Green isn’t backed by big business and rent-seeking billionaires you’re much dumber than anyone realized.

What a maroon.

Reply to  More Soylent Green!
September 14, 2024 11:55 am

Have fun seeking rent from my solar panels, or waging wars for sunshine in the middle-east. Black-mail me to stop supporting Ukraine while I get my energy from local sources.

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 12:32 pm

What a moronically incoherent comment !

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 1:17 pm

WTF??
I have a couple of calculators that run on light.
I also have a small emergency radio.
It has a hand crank to recharge the battery. Even a small solar panel.
(Though it has a warning not to try to use it to recharge the battery. It only good to keep a charged battery “topped off”.)
It even has a USB port to recharge a cellphone, but not, it seems from the solar panel.

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 1:56 pm

You amazingly missed the part that no one here is stopping YOU from installing Solar Energy on your house or yard, Anthony Watts himself uses Solar Energy, the objection has been the government trying to shove it down the taxpayers’ throats with their stupid Next Zero bullshit!

Reply to  Sunsettommy
September 14, 2024 4:29 pm

I’m in Australia, I have solar panels too. !

They may or may not save me money after paying off the loan.

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 5:18 pm

You’re insane.

HTH

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 12:03 pm

Yes, you could charge the typical EV with the typical solar panel array. But there are some rather important qualifications.

You could only do it during the day in the summer, a few hours around noon. That’s probably not enough to do a full charge even in summer and you might need the car then.

But the real problem happens in winter, at European latitudes. You are only going to get 10-20% of the summer power generation. Its even more sharply peaked and its an even shorter charge period. Maybe if you only drive the car locally once a week, and its a very sunny December, maybe you could keep it charged from solar.

This is no kind of serious alternative to using mains based charging, which is going to be primarily gas for the foreseeable future.

And remember, while you are using your solar to charge your car, what you are not doing is feed back current to the grid, so you are not getting paid, and you are also drawing regular household usage from, once again, primarily gas generation.

The remark is, yet again, typical trolling – the argument doesn’t stand up to the slightest scrutiny. It raises, yet again, the question: why offer arguments which are so transparently fallacious? Why continually propose solutions which cannot work?

Rich Davis
Reply to  michel
September 14, 2024 12:21 pm

That’s certainly true if Lusername is actually griff as many of us assume. Even in the summer, most of the time it’s cloudy in the UK. At least that’s been my experience.

If you have a night job in Arizona, that might work out, assuming you don’t mind keeping your house at 37°C so that you’re not using all your solar power on the AC.

SxyxS
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 15, 2024 1:12 am

I’m pretty sure It’s Edward Griffin.
Took me years to chase him away from Tonys Blog – and then I realised he came here to terrorize people with his estrogenius logic.
So I started chasing him here – and got censored.

Editor
Reply to  michel
September 14, 2024 12:48 pm

In Australia now, or at least in NSW, the electricity feed-in price is often negative. IOW, you have to pay the grid to take your solar panels’ generation.
eg, the forecast feed-in prices for later today (Australian time) go all the way down to -11c/mWh, ie, you have to pay those 11c when you feed your excess solar generation into the grid.

Reply to  michel
September 14, 2024 11:45 pm

You could have a PV-Battery installation to cover the not being home during peak generation problem.
But would the financial and CO2 pay back be before you shuffle off this mortal coil?

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 12:30 pm

can charge from photovoltaic panels on their roof”

roflmao.. at night when they get home from work ?

Oh wait you are a juvenile lay-about living in a basement, who has never owned a car in its life and knows nothing about them.

Relying on public transport is NOT self-sufficiency !

Did you know that the highest pollution reading are found at railways stations.

You are stuck in a 15 minute ghetto, with zero comprehension of what freedom is.

sherro01
Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 2:27 pm

Mun,
Please describe just one example where a large corporation caused you harm. Remember that it is often your choice to deal or not deal with a corporation, so your best example (if you have one) should include imposition on you with credible malice.
Otherwise, you are just making stuff up. Or you are not real. Geoff S

Reply to  sherro01
September 14, 2024 5:47 pm

When I had surgery last Thursday my surgeon sent a prescription for oxycodone to CVS, the pharmacy that I always use, and they won’t fill it and said they will contact the doctor for another medication, but meanwhile I am in pain. I went up to the hospital and told them and asked them if they could send the prescription to the hospital retail pharmacy but nothing has happened and I am still in pain.

The tobacco and alcohol companies had opium and opiates banned to protect their industries and that has resulted in 10s of millions of deaths in the US alone from lung cancer from tobacco smoking and alcoholism.

When the law was passed in1914 opium bars(dens) were in all the major cities and there were no deaths recorded from opium or opiates before then.

Deaths from opium and opiates didn’t start until 1921 according to Mortality Statistics of the CDC and averaged about 35 per year.

Opium and opiates don’t get a person drunk like alcohol and it doesn’t give hangovers, and the risk of addiction is about the same as alcohol. It was more pleasant than nicotine so both alcohol and tobacco users were switching to opium and opiates.

max
Reply to  scvblwxq
September 14, 2024 7:23 pm

morphine, and its replacement (heroin) both proved to be completely not addictive.

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 5:17 pm

This is bullshit, you need a 50 kW array to charge a battery car, not a typical 5 kW roof-mounted system.

mikee
Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 6:50 pm

Breaking news! MyUsername gives up internet and all its connected big corporate indulgencies.

leefor
Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 8:27 pm

You mean those photovoltaics made in China from Fossil Fuels? Oh the humanity. 😉

Keitho
Editor
Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 9:43 pm

Perhaps so but it should be voluntary and driven by the market. Government edicts are no way to go.

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 10:40 pm

Have you made the investment in solar panels and a battery? If you use a small short range EV for commuting then you’ll have to charge it every other night at best. You’ll be at work when the panels are working. That means the PV & battery installation is for the car only in the UK. You may well need to own or hire a long range vehicle to escape the 15 minute city and what about 2+ commuters in one house – solar panels in the garden?

SxyxS
Reply to  MyUsername
September 15, 2024 1:06 am

Yeah – charging EV’s so effective during Winter in Norway,Alaska etc.

I wonder how this will turn out during Winter in a net Zero climate.

Astroturfed idiot -messiah Obama bought from his postbribery money 2 huge gastanks for his 12 mio dollar Martha Vineyard sea level front beach property – and he isn’t even close to a polar region with endless nights and has 30 acres to place 3 windmills and 1000 panels.

There is a simple question you can ask yourself to understand the problem, no matter how low your IQ .
How many windmills and panels does a country need to run a single lightbulb in a windless night?

And how many windmills do you need on an average day to drive a huge truck from NY to LA?

Milo
Reply to  J Boles
September 14, 2024 11:05 am

Off topic story tip:

Arctic sea ice low higher than last year but again just below the 2011-20 average. But 2021 and 2022 were well above last decade’s average. So 2021-30 threatens to be higher than the previous decade. End of that bogus scare story.

Antarctic high and low this year also above last year’s reaction to the Tongan eruption and El Niño.

September 14, 2024 10:25 am

Kudos to Tom Nelson for his excellent work on Youtube and X. And Climate: The Movie is great.

But the best reason of all for optimism on the climate issue is that rising concentrations of CO2 and other non-condensing GHGs are simply not capable of forcing energy to accumulate as sensible heat on land and in the oceans – certainly not to harmful effect.

Reply to  David Dibbell
September 14, 2024 11:17 am

I like Tom’s podcast. I like the way he jumps right in- gives the name of the guess- and off goes the guest. No bullshit. Tom lets the guest do most of the talking but does ask good questions.

Mr.
September 14, 2024 10:25 am

Which one of the Climategate participants was it who asked the group in a moment of doubt and panic –

“What if we’re wrong? They’ll kill us.”

(Was it Kevin Tremberth?)

Reply to  Mr.
September 14, 2024 11:18 am

Maybe he meant “they’ll shame us”. That would be more entertaining. 🙂

Reply to  Mr.
September 14, 2024 11:19 am

Sure that it wasn’t only inside your head?

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 11:42 am

Get used to losing.

Reply to  Graemethecat
September 14, 2024 11:49 am

With more support for renewables and public transport than ever? Guess not.
But if you mean spelling the word correctly – I’m working on it 😀

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 12:38 pm

Locked in your 15 minute ghetto, forced to travel on horrifically polluting public transport, unable to travel anywhere apart from where that transport is designated.

Trapped in a bubble of intermittent electricity.

Not realising that everything in your pitiful existence is there because of fossil fuels.

You are just too DUMB to realise what a luser you really are.

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 1:58 pm

Now you are just LYING, don’t you ever try to be honest in your made-up life?

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 3:51 pm

What support for Ruinables and public transport? You really believe ordinary people want to pay a fortune for intermittent electricity and heat, and spend hours in all weathers waiting for buses?

Reply to  Graemethecat
September 14, 2024 4:31 pm

The luser is saying that unreliables and public transport need “support” to exist..

So for a change, it is actually correct… by accident.

Mr.
Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 11:50 am

I doubt very much if you have ever read the collected works of the Climategate emails trove.

I can thoroughly recommend Andrew Montfort’s book on the subject.

In fact I doubt you have ever read any publications that weren’t pure fiction, aka Marxist propaganda.

Reply to  Mr.
September 14, 2024 6:24 pm

The rich capitalists, not Marxists, are the ones that own the media who are pushing the so-called “Climate Change” agenda, control the politicians with their campaign contributions and control the research with their grants.

Bloomberg says it will cost $US200 trillion to stop warming by 2050. That is at least $US20 trillion in profits to be made.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Mr.
September 15, 2024 6:06 am

‘The Hockey Stick Illusion’ ‘Climategate and the Corruption of Science’ A W Montford, Stacey International, London 2010. ISBN 978 1 906768 35 5

Reply to  MyUsername
September 14, 2024 12:33 pm

There is NOTHING inside your head. !

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  MyUsername
September 16, 2024 7:56 am

Stop feeding the trolls!

Reply to  Mr.
September 14, 2024 11:48 am

The most shocking thing about the Climategate emails is that they are now re-hidden.

No-one disputed that they were genuine.
Some people disputed that they showed scientific malpractice.

But those people have abandoned the doomed battle to defend the integrity of the science and have decided to hide the malpractice instead. If the Climategate emails actually did show that the ‘self-proclaimed’ scientists were legitimate then they would be highlighting them all over the place.

But try to google foe them. Or any other search engine.
Nothing.

The only defence of these ‘self-proclaimed’ scientists is to hope no-one sees how badly they failed to perform their jobs.

Reply to  MCourtney
September 14, 2024 1:05 pm

I haven’t checked it all, but this e-book seems fairly comprehensive:

https://archive.org/details/climategate-emails/mode/2up

downloadable too!

Reply to  MCourtney
September 14, 2024 1:24 pm

I’m not surprised..
Who controls Google, Facebook, etc.?
Lots of info has “disappeared”.
“Search” things are becoming worse that Wikipedia!

PS We disagree on many things political (as I did with your Dad, Richard), but I’ve never doubted your or his integrity.

sherro01
Reply to  MCourtney
September 14, 2024 2:40 pm

At the time, I recommended that police action proceeded to examine alleged illegalities like Phil Jones coaching colleagues on how to avoid the law of Freedom of Information requests.
The response was, in summary, that such police action would be too extreme.
More corruption. Why can’t people just behave normally, not be crooked?
Geoff S

mleskovarsocalrrcom
September 14, 2024 10:38 am

AGW is a BIG lie with immense backing. It will take a lot of time and effort to squelch it. And when that time comes no one, no one, will take responsibility for it.

Decaf
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
September 14, 2024 11:11 am

It might not matter. People will go after the puppets who are on record aplenty.

Richard M
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
September 14, 2024 11:31 am

What’s really needed is some strong cooling to offset the natural warming we’ve seen from the AMO and, most recently, the Hunga-Tonga eruption. The good news is the probability is getting higher.

The last change in the 30-35 year AMO phases started in 1995. This year is the 30th year in the warm phase.

It also looks like the Hunga-Tonga effects have peaked and should fade away in the next couple of years.

Finally, with end of 23-24 El Nino yet another natural warming effect will disappear and be replaced with some La Nina cooling.

If all of these factors came into play at the same time, it could bring about some very strong cooling. Could be very interesting the next couple of years.

Reply to  Richard M
September 14, 2024 6:27 pm

The Northern Hemisphere has rising sunlight for the next 9,000 years. The warming trend will continue until the ice starts accumulating again. That is being observed in Greenland and a few northern slopes near the Arctic show. More than a century before the ice is advancing south.

Reply to  Richard M
September 14, 2024 6:35 pm

The Earth is in a 2.5 million ice age that will end when all natural ice melts with around 10 to 20 times as many people dying from cold-related causes than from heat-related causes.

This study says that around 4.6 million people die each year from cooler weather compared to around 500,000 that die each from warmer weather. Where temperature is concerned, cold weather is the big killer of humans.
‘Global, regional and national burden of mortality associated with nonoptimal ambient temperatures from 2000 to 2019: a three-stage modelling study’
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext

This study from 2015 says that cold weather kills 20 times as many people as hot weather and that moderately warm or cool weather kills far more people than extreme weather. ‘Mortality risk attributable to high and low ambient temperature: a multi-country observational study’
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)62114-0/fulltext

When it is cold our bodies constrict blood vessels to conserve heat. That causes our blood pressure to rises and that causes increased deaths in the colder months compared to the warmer months.

‘QuickStats: Average Number of Stroke* Deaths per Day, by Month and Sex — National Vital Statistics System, United States, 2021’
“In 2021, the average number of stroke deaths per day was highest in January (275 for females and 212 for males) and then declined to a monthly low in June (235 for females and 180 for males)”
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7249a7.htm

‘When Throughout the Year Is Coronary Death Most Likely to Occur?’
“Conclusions—Even in the mild climate of Los Angeles County, there are seasonal variations in the development of coronary artery death, with ˜33% more deaths occurring in December and January than in June through September.”
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.cir.100.15.1630

Dave Fair
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
September 14, 2024 2:26 pm

Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan.

September 14, 2024 10:46 am

Thanks Tom. Great posts, videos, and movie. There is no climate change crisis — just a climate education crisis.

strativarius
September 14, 2024 10:57 am

After discovering so many massive, high-profile lies in recent years, large numbers of people are asking themselves “What else are they lying about?”, and the answer is “just about everything”.…

Exhibit #1 the British government/parliament.

I’m scratching my head trying to think of a reason for even a hint of optimism

Reply to  strativarius
September 14, 2024 11:20 am

Millivolt has just taken over the new National Energy System Operator, he now owns the unicorn fart solution and the implementation problem of Nut Zero. There will be blackouts but now only he can be to blame.  

strativarius
Reply to  kommando828
September 14, 2024 11:30 am

We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse.” – Maurice Strong

Miliband is working on it.

SxyxS
Reply to  strativarius
September 15, 2024 1:34 am

And then Maurice stole Millions (because he was not even willing to live the average sized US co2- footprint live which is the biggest in the world , but keep on living his Godzilla sized co2-footprint),
and escaped to China
where the biggest industrial built up in history of mankind was happening.

Those elite co2mmunists and most equal of all animals always want to live
on the capitalistic side of communism – as this is the only place that offers protection from communism.
Marx has created a bunch of savage animal when he replaced the Opium of the masses with the crack cocaine for intellectuals.
And he gave them a nice cover to sell their narcissism and hypocrisyas empathy and humanism.

starzmom
September 14, 2024 11:11 am

Didn’t we just have the hottest August ever? Where was it? Where I live, Kansas City, the past August was the 6th coolest in the past 25 years. July tied for the 4th coolest in 25 years. No wonder people are skeptical.

Reply to  starzmom
September 14, 2024 6:32 pm

 Where was it? 

Mostly in the Southern Hemisphere. Winters have been getting warmer for a long time. Summers are cooling. On average it is warming. The NH is trending the opposite way but maybe not this summer.

I am 57S and did not use heating for maybe 15 days of August. Back back to heating now as yesterday was the coolest 14 Sept in 20 years.

Rud Istvan
September 14, 2024 11:11 am

I am not as optimistic. There are several reasons.

  1. The UNFCCC and the IPCC still exist and will carry on.
  2. There are massive vested interests behind renewables.
  3. Thousands of academics have built their careers on AGW so cannot let go.
  4. There are true believer politicians like Miliband and AOC impervious to rational counters to their impossible proposals.
  5. Forty years of failure has not even dented the indoctrination in schools.

I do think there are grounds for cautious optimism. The pain being inflicted continues to grow along with atmospheric CO2. Pain without gain is eventually a losing proposition. Current proposals such as net zero are doomed to eventual failure. Foolish deadlines have been set that cannot be met, like EVs in Europe and California—will require eventual revision or repeal.

It is possible for climate alarmists to ignore reality, but not the consequences of ignoring reality.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 14, 2024 12:08 pm

I’m afraid that you are right.

Reply to  Petit-Barde
September 14, 2024 2:02 pm

I see the rest of the non-West world has largely dropped the Climate Scam narrative as they realize this is from the increasingly hated West who dreamed up the crap as a tool to control the rest of us.

The West world owns this scam.

Global South is moving away from it.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Sunsettommy
September 14, 2024 2:32 pm

The rapidly developing South will be running the world in due course; the West will be used as an example of political foolishness in their school books.

Learn Mandarin.

sherro01
Reply to  Sunsettommy
September 14, 2024 2:59 pm

Global south includes Australia. Here, there is a confrontation with politicians in power doubling down on enforcing net zero carbon on one hand while some of the weather/climate data fail to show cause for alarm, example follows. Sadly, when it comes, policy reversal will be slow and costly. Data has to rule over belief and policy makers must realise that.
Geoff S
comment image

sherro01
Reply to  sherro01
September 14, 2024 3:11 pm

Problem with my web hosting service, no image. Will try another way. Geoff S
file:///C:/Users/Geoff/OneDrive/Documents/PHOTOS%20WORKING/uahsep2024.jpg

Reply to  sherro01
September 14, 2024 4:34 pm

Your image works for me…

Been a cool September so far, since that gloriously warm late August.

If this continues, it would not surprise me at all if the September value is not only a big drop in the anomaly, but actually colder than August overall.

Would have liked to see what happened if the August anomaly was split into first half and second half… 🙂

sherro01
Reply to  bnice2000
September 14, 2024 4:45 pm

Thanks bnice,
Web hosting back to normal, image shows.
The point I want to make is that you cannot cry climate catastrophe when one or more plausible indicators do not support that call.
Responsible scientists would be researching why our skies have seen 8 years of no cooling. Instead, they give us crickets. Simply put, that is not good enough professionalism from people on the public payroll. Geoff S

Reply to  sherro01
September 14, 2024 5:55 pm

If you’re saying that both UAH and 104 month periods are “plausible indicators” of climate change, then what do you make of this global UAH chart over exactly the same period?

UAH-global
Reply to  TheFinalNail
September 14, 2024 8:49 pm

ROFLMAO !

Thanks again for showing the massive effect of the totally natural 2023 El Nino.

Now. Where is the human causation?

Where is the warming from CO2??

No human causation, no CO2 causation = NO AGW !!

ps, note the COOLING trend before the 2023 El Nino ! 😉

Reply to  bnice2000
September 14, 2024 10:47 pm

Why does this clown ALWAYS draw straight lines across sinusoidal graphs?

Reply to  TheFinalNail
September 14, 2024 10:44 pm

Genuine question: why is warming only ever seen in averaged, “global” temperature series and not in temperatures from individual locations? Why does the Australian series posted by Geoff Sherrington not show any warming?

Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 14, 2024 12:23 pm

Yes, I think this is about right. The problem is that the alarmists are now in policy making positions, and they will not stop, cannot face the possibility that they are wrong, and so will likely persist until major destruction. That will be, in the UK under Miliband, nationwide blackouts.

Miliband’s problem, which must be keeping him awake at nights now, is that he has foolishly breached one of Alinksy’s basic rules – he has accepted office and so taken personal responsibility for managing energy. Never do that. Always stay on the outside complaining that your proposals are not being taken up by those in office. Never take office yourself and try and implement them.

By the way, the other important Alinsky rule is, never propose any policy which is politically possible. You do not want your proposals, which are associated with you, to be implemented, because, once again, you will be unable to avoid being judged on their success or failure. Always propose only solutions which you are sure no-one will try to implement. Because the aim is not policy changes, its radicalization.

AOC has done much better on this point, though the Inflation Reduction Act is perilously close to the Green New Deal, which most of us thought was admirably close to the Alinsky model, being, surely, too insane for anyone in the political establishment to consider taking up. Well, not entirely…

At this point Miliband has two choices, neither of which are acceptable. One he could do a u-turn. Not remotely possible for him. Two he could go on into a world of blackouts and fuel shortages. This is what he will do, and it will end with him getting fired – either by his political party, or by the electorate in a landslide wipeout.

We shall see. There are going to be a few hard winters in the UK. They have raised prices of energy in a country where home heating is a national problem and fuel poverty is a real thing. They have also just abolished home heating grants in the form of the Winter Fuel payments. The old and poor are going to die this winter and next from the combination, and eventually there will be a bill presented to Miliband and Starmer for this, which will have to be paid.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 16, 2024 8:00 am

In people are brainwashed to believe you will have nothing but you will be happy, they will choose happy to a man (person?).

September 14, 2024 11:13 am

Nice, but this new movement hasn’t penetrated the Great Wall around Wokeachusetts. I see zero sign here of any change- they’re as crazy as ever.

September 14, 2024 11:21 am

I’m a big fan of Joe Rogan. He’s willing to change his mind. I’m a fan of the UFO story- not a “believer” so much as I find the story interesting, aside from my own sighting of the Hudson Valley UFO back in ’83, seen by thousands. Being skeptical of everything- even seeing one hasn’t convinced me. Anyway, Rogan recently said he was very skeptical of the UFO story, until recently. He’s hard to pin down politically. He said he’s liberal about social issues but conservative about economic issues and probably not just because he’s now very wealthy.

jvcstone
September 14, 2024 11:30 am

Rule of thumb that I have been following for more than 50 years—-The “official narrative” is always a lie. Once one understands that, it is easy to get along with one’s life.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  jvcstone
September 16, 2024 8:02 am

How does one tell if a politician is lying? His/Her lips are moving.

September 14, 2024 11:41 am

Great post on our unusually warm spring and summer in the United States. There are reasons for this condition in 2024 not related to man made CO2.

Reply to  Danley Wolfe
September 14, 2024 11:44 am

As reported by Washington Post Apr 22 2024 (article quotation) The hot summer forecast is linked to the probable switch from El Nino to La Nina climate pattern by the summer’s second half. While La Niña has a small cooling effect on the planet overall, it has boosted summer heat in the United States, especially in recent years when human-caused climate change has also fueled higher temperatures.
 
The three La Niña summers from 2020 to 2022 were all historically hot. The nation’s summer average temperature of 74 degrees in 2021 was tied for the hottest on record; 2022 and 2020 marked the third- and sixth-hottest summers, respectively.
 
“A common feature in summer during a developing La Niña is a semi-permanent upper-level ridge over the middle of North America,” according to DTN, a forecasting company based in Minneapolis. “Ridges are notorious for hot and dry conditions.” These ridges, referred to as heat domes, are common in summer but tend to be most persistent during La Niña.

Increased drought and wildfire risks. The precipitation outlook for summer from the National Weather Service. (Climate Prediction Center)  A hot summer often goes hand in hand with drought, as high temperatures increase evaporation, which strips moisture from the land surface. The driest weather compared to normal is expected to stretch from western Texas into the northern Rockies. The Weather Service predict drought will develop in much of this region.
 
Wetter-than-normal conditions are predicted in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast, which are already off to a wet start this year. A combination of above-normal temperatures and rainfall in this zone could increase the threat of flooding. The hot and dry conditions predicted in the Rockies would ordinarily support an elevated summer fire threat. However, large parts of this region are coming out of a wet winter, so current outlooks show limited areas of higher-than-normal fire potential.  However, pockets of the Southwest, Northwest and northern Rockies will see above-normal wildfire threats by June and July, according to the Predictive Services of the National Interagency Fire Center.
 
While recent La Niña summers have been hotter than normal, the potential for a scorching summer is especially high when La Niña comes on the heels of a strong El Niño event, like we just experienced.  Of the eight strongest El Nino wointers since 1950, the following summer was hotter than the summer before it by about 1.2 degrees. If that turns out to be the case this summer, it would rank as the hottest on record.
 

Reply to  Danley Wolfe
September 14, 2024 6:02 pm

…the potential for a scorching summer is especially high when La Niña comes on the heels of a strong El Niño event, like we just experienced.  

According to UAH, the US just had its warmest summer (JJA) in their record, which starts in 1979, and by a clear margin.

Seems to support the above comment.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
September 14, 2024 8:51 pm

Warming is part of the 2023 El Nino.

Where is the human causation?

Where is the warming from CO2??

No human causation, no CO2 causation = NO AGW !!

UAH shows warming ONLY at EL Nino events.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
September 14, 2024 9:05 pm

JJA.. USCRN:

2012… 2.08C

2024… 1.84C

Reply to  Danley Wolfe
September 14, 2024 6:57 pm

Ohio farmers have been experiencing drought conditions this summer.

September 14, 2024 11:42 am

“What else are they lying about?”, and the answer is “just about everything”.

I have known for a long time they were lying about Climate Change, but it was the response to covid that woke me up to how much lying has been going on. My default position is now to assume what I am being told is wrong.

Dave Fair
Reply to  John in NZ
September 14, 2024 2:42 pm

Having worked at a relatively high level in the U.S. Federal government anything that makes your boss look bad is spun into coverups or outright lying. Look at all the Leftist spin trying to convince Americans that the Biden/Harris policies have been good for them.

sherro01
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 14, 2024 3:16 pm

Dave fair,
Having battled others at relatively high levels in the Australian Federal government, I can only agree with the tactic you describe.
Life would be so much better if only people would be honest most of the time. Geoff S

Reply to  Dave Fair
September 14, 2024 7:04 pm

They have lowered unemployment from the 6.4 percent that Trump left to 4.2 percent.

Production of oil and gas are at there highest level.

Reply to  scvblwxq
September 14, 2024 10:12 pm

Great to know you are DUMB enough to vote for the camal. !

Reply to  scvblwxq
September 14, 2024 10:51 pm

What was US unemployment before Covid?

Reply to  John in NZ
September 14, 2024 6:03 pm

My default position is now to assume what I am being told is wrong.

Do you include WUWT articles in that category, or are they somehow special?

Reply to  TheFinalNail
September 14, 2024 10:10 pm

Most WUWT articles are backed by science and data..

You have never produced anything remotely like that, except to show your incredible ignorance, (as you have at least twice in this thread already)

The fact you “believe” basically anything the far-left media and propaganda sites put out, shows just how dumb, mal-educated and gullible you really are.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  TheFinalNail
September 16, 2024 8:05 am

That is a fair question. Note: A skeptic questions everything.
There was a recent article that reviewed a study report and tore it to shreds, correctly IMHO. That report was supposed to be big on dismissing climate alarmism.

strativarius
September 14, 2024 12:15 pm

Story tip. The froth of Khan

Despite rampant homelessness, the Mayor of London wants to let criminals jump the queue and get their own homes.
The Mayor of London said that irrespective “a big shortage of housing in London”, some prisoners ought to “jump in the queue to get housing to avoid them reoffending again”.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1948341/sadiq-khan-prisoner-housing

It gets more insane by the day….

The official GLA target for affordable housing starts until 2026 is between 23,900 and 27,100 per year. In the last three quarters Khan has managed just 874 – a dismal 4% of the target. 
https://order-order.com/2024/02/13/sadiq-khan-slammed-for-achieving-4-of-housing-target/

In this reality crime pays.

Reply to  strativarius
September 15, 2024 1:59 am

And this is what Sarah Owen, the new Chair of the Women and Equalities Committee of the UK Parliament said, when asked, on Womans Hour, what a woman is:

When asked what a woman is, Owen for some reason found herself unable to answer the question. Instead, she said ‘somebody that is going to be paid less than their male counterparts, somebody that is going to be less safe walking down the streets and somebody that faces more barriers in the workplace, education and health sector.

As the author of this report (a quite radical feminist) correctly says:

These are not examples of what a woman is, they are examples of sex-inequality. …. we need to be able to identify women if we are to show how we are discriminated against.

https://kareningalasmith.com/2024/09/12/sarah-owen-mp-newly-elected-chair-of-the-women-and-equalities-select-committee-on-womans-hour/

A mad, mad world, my masters! The mad attempt to pretend that the difference between men and women is not biological, but something else that the advocates cannot seem to define, now finds its way into the office of Chair of the most important Parliamentary Committee with oversight of the issue.

Rod Evans
September 14, 2024 12:35 pm

Paraphrasing Mark Twain, ‘It is easier to con people then to convince them they have been conned’
With that being the truth of it, the con activists have been at it for 35 years, so it is no surprise we realists still have some work to do to convince those out there who believe what the climate alarmist propagandists have told them, over that 35 years.
The good news is, we are actually winning the arguments having remained true to the actual science.

September 14, 2024 12:40 pm

After discovering so many massive, high-profile lies in recent years, large numbers of people are asking themselves “What else are they lying about?”, and the answer is “just about everything”

Jordan Peterson notes that he has made a long study of totalitarian states and concluded that it is not so much driven by the despot, as important as he may appear. Peterson has concluded that totalitarianism continues due to the lie. Everyone lies about everything to everyone all the time.

Conclusion: TELL THE TRUTH. To yourself, to your family, to your friends, to your community, to your society.

The so-called “climate emergency” is a lie, as are all of the secondary effects or “solutions” (e.g., extinctions, sea level, inclement weather as a sign of the coming apocalypse, so-called “renewable energy”, net zero, etc.) The same can be said for other social contagions being foisted upon us – LGBTXYZ, transgenderism, murder of babies in the womb (NOTE: you are next when you become “obsolete” [nod to Rod Serling and Twilight Zone]), DEI, ESG, ad infinitum.

The paid liars are grasping to hold onto the bully pulpit (traditional media, political parties, academia, government “intelligence,” bureaucrats in all government ministries, NGOs, philanthropies, UN, most major social media) using the tools of FEAR.

Reply to  pflashgordon
September 14, 2024 6:18 pm

And in the comment sections of WUWT.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  karlomonte
September 16, 2024 8:08 am

Are you accusing ME of being a paid liar?
Are you accusing me of using the tools of FEAR?

Reply to  pflashgordon
September 14, 2024 7:14 pm

‘Trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years’https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

Reply to  scvblwxq
September 14, 2024 8:51 pm

Fake News — liars; all you got?

Reply to  scvblwxq
September 14, 2024 8:52 pm

roflmao…

Washington Post… misleading claims….

ROFLMAO !!!

SxyxS
Reply to  scvblwxq
September 15, 2024 1:45 am

That would be more than 20 + misleading claims per day.
And 30 + if we consider holidays,flights,private meetings.

Even pathological liar Kamala “I’m black now” Harris,who lied for 2 hours straight during the debate only managed to come up with 17 lies – a world record .

Bob
September 14, 2024 1:04 pm

CAGW and Net Zero or purely political notions, they have little to nothing to do with science, the climate or the weather. They are pathways for governments and allies of governments to gain more power and control. It is pitiful.

rovingbroker
September 14, 2024 1:30 pm

A (final) note from the editor (of Climate Nexus, in part) …

The climate crisis, and the cynical interests perpetrating it, is inextricable from everything — from misogyny and racism, to extractive colonialism and Indigenous sovereignty, to abortion rightshousinginsurance, and even democracy itself

https://newsletter.climatenexus.org/20240410-it-was-fun-and-meaningful-while-it-lasted

Inextricable from everything?

observa
Reply to  rovingbroker
September 14, 2024 7:06 pm

Well the evidence of the catastrophism of CAGW aside their prescriptions for changing the weather are fundamentally flawed and increasingly obvious as is their associated woke meme (essentially the world consists of oppressors and victims and only they have the inside running on defining that contextually on a case by case basis). So a clear fail in two out of three is not a good look and naturally questions the first assumption. In any case you’ve moved on to defending the outcomes of weather changing and woke with some really hard yards.

SCInotFI
September 15, 2024 2:09 pm

RE: “MyUsername” : This message is to all the sane, rational commenters on WUWT – this kid is sick and thrives on our downvotes and arguments. PLEASE don’t respond in any way, including downvotes! Starvation of attention is the truest “vote” and is not a waste of our time and energy the way counter comments, insults are.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  SCInotFI
September 16, 2024 8:10 am

In short, DON’T FEED THE TROLLS.

Verified by MonsterInsights