NICK POPE
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Nearly half of American electric vehicle (EV) owners want to buy an internal combustion engine model the next time they buy a car, according to a new study from McKinsey and Company, a leading consulting firm.
Approximately 46% of Americans who own an EV want to go back to a standard vehicle for their next purchase, citing issues like inadequate charging infrastructure and affordability, according to McKinsey’s study, which was obtained and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. The study’s findings further suggest that the Biden administration’s EV push is struggling to land with American consumers, after 46% of respondents indicated that they are unlikely or very unlikely to purchase an EV in a June poll conducted by The Associated Press and the University of Chicago’s Energy Policy Institute.
Moreover, 58% of Americans are very likely to keep their current cars for longer, and 44% are likely to postpone a possible switch to EVs, McKinsey’s study found. Consumers’ concerns about EV charging infrastructure are notable given the slow rollout of the Biden administration’s $7.5 billion public EV charger program, which has so far led to the construction of only a handful of chargers in nearly three years. (RELATED: Biden Admin Classifies Martha’s Vineyard, Elite Locales As ‘Low-Income’ To Push EV Charger Subsidies)
The Biden administration has a stated goal of having EVs make up 50% of all new car sales by 2030, and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) finalized stringent regulations in March that will force manufacturers to ensure that up to 56% of their light-duty vehicles are EVs by 2032. The EPA has also finalized strict emissions standards for medium- and light-duty vehicles, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has also locked in fuel economy standards that will further push manufacturers to produce more EVs.
The administration is also spending billions of dollars to subsidize the production and purchase of EVs, but manufacturers are still losing considerable amounts of cash on their EV product lines. EVs remained below a 10% share of all auto sales in the U.S. in 2023, according to Cox Automotive.
The White House did not respond immediately to a request for comment.
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In Q1 of 2024, fully-electric vehicles (BEVs) had a 7.3% market share of new vehicle sales in the United States, down from 8.1% in Q4 of 2023
Q1 EV sales US 267,000
Q1 EV sales Ca.102,500
Whackyfornia has almost 45% of all US EV sales
US ICv sales
January 1,444,543
February 1,259,770
March 1,329,820
Q1 ICV sales 4,034,133
EVs still have a commanding Looks more like 6% market share than 7.3%
Excerpt:
Affordability, Charging-Infrastructure, & Range-Anxiety Continue To Keep Americans From Fully Embracing EVs
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/affordability-charging-infrastructure-amp-range-anxiety-continue
A number of factors have decreased buying of EVs, including among environmentally conscious consumers.
FT reported
1) high EV prices (increase monthly lease payments),
2) high financing interest rates (increase monthly lease payments),
3) short driving range,
4) lack of charging infrastructure,
5) high insurance cost,
6) high charging cost,
7) high repair cost,
8) very low resale/trade-in value,
9) low-range during hot and cold weather,
10) rapid wear of tires and brakes
Interesting, I can’t remember when I heard the interview with someone who owned one and her comments were that from the moment she got up until the end of the day she was constantly thinking about recharging the vehicle. She was concerned if she could find a station nearby With the availability and the amount of time it would take to recharge it, she was also concerned that she didn’t know how much range she would have from when she went to bed until when she got up in the morning, and she was preoccupied with the amount of time it would take to Complete the recharge and then the whole system would begin again again.
And now I’m also hearing about maintenance cost, repair cost, and replacement of battery cost all of which make a used EV something that very few buyers will want. Then I suppose on top of all that would be the issue of trying to charge it from home and the amount of money you’d have to spend to have a home charging system put in place. Then imagine that as a possibility if you live in a city.
I added three items to my lady in the article
11) spending at least “$15000 + labor + hazardous landfill charge” to replace an EV battery in an 8-y-old car
12) worrying about having enough charge, and where to charge, to get from A to B
13) worrying about the battery catching fire, while parked in the garage, or on the road
Inability to tow any distance greater than 80 miles without needing to recharge
I added item 14
Just open the URL to see all 14
Here is my new list
Affordability, Charging-Infrastructure, & Range-Anxiety Continue To Keep Americans From Fully Embracing EVs
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/affordability-charging-infrastructure-amp-range-anxiety-continue
BY TYLER DURDEN
While the US and the EU look at different ways to add tariffs to China-made electric vehicles to prevent supply disruption, the reality is, overall demand for EVs is starting to peak.
Such was the topic of a new FT report that looked into why Americans aren’t buying more electric vehicles.
“It’s just not accessible to us at this point in our life,” one couple told FT, who said they were looking for a more affordable vehicle.
They went with a $19,000 Honda Accord after a trade-in, since only five new EV models under $40,000 have hit the market in 2024, the report says.
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A number of factors have decreased buying of EVs, including among environmentally conscious consumers. Various sources, including FT reported about the following issues:
1) high EV prices (increase monthly lease payments),
2) high financing interest rates (increase monthly lease payments),
3) short driving range,
4) lack of charging infrastructure,
5) high insurance cost,
6) high on-the-road charging cost
7) time wasted sitting in vehicle while charging; it takes 5 minutes to fill a gas tank, but 1 to 2 hours to fill a battery; multiply that time by millions of EVs charged per day.
8) high repair and bodyshop cost, and long times for bodyshops to get parts
9) very low resale/trade-in value,
10) low-range during hot and cold weather, especially with a few passengers and some luggage
11) more rapid wear of tires and brakes and expensive replacement cost
12) spending at least “$15000 + labor + hazardous landfill charge” to replace an EV battery in an 8-y-old car
13) worrying about having enough charge, and where to charge, when making a longer trip from A to B
14) worrying about the battery catching fire, while parked in the garage, or on the road
15) inability for an EV to tow almost anything for some distance, without having to recharge along the way
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Everett Eissenstat, a former senior US Trade Representative told FT:
“There is no question that this list slows down EV adoption in the US.
We are just not producing the EVs the consumers want at a price point they want.”
What a waste of precious time to think so much about so little.
If you voted for a Democrat, you got wastes of time and other resources over a wide spectrum, all of which will lead to a $1.9 TRILLION federal budget deficit in fiscal 2024
Vote for Biden again, and you will get screwed some more.
If you vote for a Democrat you get the government you deserve
I think you could have simply stated it as EVs continue to keep Americans from fully embracing EVs
Oh, but that would be less fun
Expensive (1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8), impractical (3, 4), junk (8, 9, 10).
How about “Dysfunctional Wackofornia”?
That works too
In other News….Popular Mechanics is promoting a new “magic” battery.
“story tip”
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a61147145/liquid-battery-renewable-energy-storage-breakthrough/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us
Didn’t they tell us, we would all be living like the Jetsons by now!
“Pop Mech” replacing the old “mad” magazine.
“Pop Mech” replacing the old “mad” magazine.
And they’re the best of the bunch..
Didn’t they tell us we were going into another Ice Age back in the 70s
Oops that was Science News
“Didn’t they tell us …”
What does a Science News article about ice have to do with a Popular Mechanics article about magic?
Well, it is still early here, and I think I need a morning beer.
remember, John…… beer is not just for breakfast these days.
Gums, hic, sends….
In some places it’s the only clean water source
This is what Popular Mechanics passes off as a “science” writer?
“Tim Newcomb is a journalist based in the Pacific Northwest. He covers stadiums, sneakers, gear, infrastructure, and more for a variety of publications, including Popular Mechanics. His favorite interviews have included sit-downs with Roger Federer in Switzerland, Kobe Bryant in Los Angeles, and Tinker Hatfield in Portland.”
Sneakers are high tech.
From the linked article –
Sounds like they’ve got the isopropanol to energy part working, but not the reverse. I’ll order one along with my home fusion powerplant, just as soon as they’re available.
Make isopropanol from protons and electrons? First you would have to make carbon and oxygen nuclei from the protons, and you will need a few neutrons thrown in. To do this, take one red giant star… The degree of scientific illiteracy is to be expected I suppose.
Yeah, they need to work on explaining that better. Sounds like hype contributed to the statement.
From what I gather, they really meant that a key feature of their electrochemical system is that it doesn’t generate molecular hydrogen even though electrons and protons (H+) are intimately involved in the chemistry.
Undesirable hydrogen generation is a problem when recharging batteries in many systems.
Directly from protons and electrons? Sounds like a Star Trek replicator.
Lots of hype, few details, except: “iridium catalyst”…easy-to-find element.
Good point. Theft of catalytic converters is a significant problem currently.
Iridium has dropped to $4700/ounce. I used to buy impure platinum (10% rhodium) to save money. Rhodium and iridium are worth about 4-5 times more than platinum now.
Seems there is a “Game Changer!” battery announcement every week.
Has anyone made of list of “battery breakthroughs” that have been announced but never materialized or made it to the market?
Yet more proof how hapless government is. They have no business being this involved in any business. They know nothing and make everything they touch worse. It is embarrassing.
Eventually, a notion creeps in that it’s all part of the plan.
Mostly because many go from college direct into government with no contact with reality.
Central decision making is always disastrous.
Only a multitude of individual decisions according to local needs comes up with the best solutions by filtering out the impractical nonsense.
That is why capitalism works and socialism fails.
nailed it!
Capitalism never works for the general population since there is only one type of capitalism, CRONY capitalism.
Now FREE ENTERPRISE, that works for everyone.
Stop using Marx’s pejorative of free enterprise. Use the proper term for of which you are speaking.
PLEASE, everyone, the left controls the language when YOU allow them to.
Big government is the source of most of our problems.
Crony capitalism is basically fascism. Government allows the cronies to operate in a noncompetitive manner. Regulations result in less competition because few companies have the resources to jump through all the hoops that government puts in place to allow free enterprise.
Big government has become a parasite on the citizenry and is symbiotic with big industry.
All government is a parasite on the citizenry, the bigger the government, the bigger the drain.
Government does have a few uses, I’m not advocating anarchy, but we have to remember that government is at it’s core, force. The force needed to make others behave as those in charge of government want them to behave.
I believe it was Jefferson who wrote that government is a fearsome servant and a terrible master.
There is no constitutional requirement for the US to have a FEDERAL Education Department
It should be immediately shut down, with the money saved to reduce the national debt
That’s like telling Christians to stop calling themselves Christians, because it was originally a pejorative term used by the Romans.
In about 300, the Eastern Roman Empire, in Constantinople, adopted Christianity
Rome followed later, however, Rome claimed it was the intermediary between God, and claimed the Earth to be the center of the universe, but Galileo said not true.
To save his skin, he had to say it was true. Jeeeze
At the time of Galileo, most intellectuals, including those in the church believed that the heliocentric model of the solar system was probably the right one.
Galileo got in trouble for two things, declaring that heliocentrism had been proven, when it hadn’t in his day, that wouldn’t happen for another hundred years or so, and for insulting the Pope.
“And yet it moves” is highly insulting.
Yes, “Christian” was others started to call the first century believers and it was not a compliment. (Sort of like calling someone a “Jesus Freak” a few decades ago.)
I’m not sure it was Romans and/or other Gentiles and/or Jews who didn’t believe who first called them “Christians”.
Here are the only 3 places it is used.
Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. (KJV)
Act 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. (KJV)
1Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. (KJV)
“suffer as a Christian”. Even if they were not being actively persecuted, they were actively being made fun of by some.
I usually use the phrase, ‘free market capitalism’. “an economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses.” + “an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.”
That gives you this definition: “an economic and political system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses which also control a country’s trade and industry, having the common objective of earning profits,
“Capitalism never works for the general population since there is only one type of capitalism, CRONY capitalism.”
I disagree.
“there is only one type of capitalism”. I only took a few business classes in college (the ’70s) – more interested in science (physics). However, the lectures covered six forms of capitalism. Why do you disallow the other five? Do you mean the others eventually degenerate into crony capitalism?
So let’s imagine a car manufacturer who makes 1,000,000 cars per year, and who have determined that they can sell 200,000 electric cars per year. Now let’s imagine that the government has decided that next year every manufacturer has to sell 30% electrics, or else every gasoline powered car above 70% of total production has to have a $15,000 fee added to the price. They know that tacking on $15,000 to the price will make their cars uncompetitive to the point of unsaleable in the market, so their best option is to only produce 666,000 cars per year instead of 1,000,000. Those 666,000 cars are also going to have to be more expensive, due to higher levels of trim and features, in order to maintain the same amount of profit. The following year, the number goes up to 33%; so total production has to be reduced to 600,000. The real societal impact of this will manifest itself in a few years time. Many people cannot afford new cars, and so always buy used- but the used cars they want to buy are unavailable at any price, because they were never built in the first place. I don’t think that this is an accident. I think that this is intended to radically reduce the number of cars on the road, and make it so the automobile once again becomes what it was in the beginning- a luxury item only affordable by the wealthy.
Yep, if they only sell 500,000 EVs in 2030 they can only sell 500,000 ICVs it will be a huge drop from the current 15-16M vehicles sold annually to less than 1M
“Agenda 2030….you have arrived at your destination.” Manufacturing closed down, capitalism closed down. population closing down. Proof positive socialism works if you have $billions of dollars to fall back on….
Googled agenda 2030 and got:
Now that sounds easy enough to do! But why put it off to 2030. Let’s plan on getting it done by the end of this year. /s
Go tell the Muslim countries about that gender equality and women and girls empowerment.
Go tell Joe Biden, who is taking away sports for females.
To the left, utopia is always just one more regulation away.
“free of poverty and hunger”? Then why are they working to destroy the means of production of both energy and food? Sort of hard to have a full and productive employment when money is tight, regulation is prohibitive and DEI has taken over every aspect of running a business, from hiring, finance, R&D to manufacturing, marketing/sales and support. I’m guessing they change the definition of “full” and “productive” to something far from the words’ respective original meaning.
“access to quality education” I think there is a lot of questions as to what the 2030 Agenda wonks mean by “quality”. I’m 100% sure that it is not what the average person in the street is thinking.
“access to … universal health coverage”. I note that they use the word “health coverage” rather than “medical care” or “medical services” because “coverage” is hypothetical financing – “health” can mean anything from organic food at the school cafeteria to abortions and tampons – which alone doesn’t heal anyone. Yeah, you’re covered but there is no room on anyone’s schedule to take you in.
And I don’t understand the words “gender equality” when its used proximate and in the same context as the binary sex distinctive “women and girls”. I though there were dozens of varieties of “gender” that somehow in their fluid specificity can’t provide a metric for what is “equal” and what is “unequal”.
All of that is very easy if they have free rein.Before the use of fossil fuels, the Earth supported just under 1 billion people. Stop using fossil fuels, the population drops like a rock, and with our current knowledge and technology, a world of fewer than one billion people could live very well. At least, that’s their vision. More for everyone, as long as there are far fewer ‘everyones’ than today.
“access to quality education”
There should be more talk about training for work- trades in particular. Recently, Bill Maher said on his show that “not everyone should go to college”. Here in Wokeachusetts, it’s almost impossible to find a plumber, electrician or carpenter- but easy to find tens of thousands of young people with a “liberal education” living in their parents basements.
When I was in high school in the ’60s, about half the students took “shop” and worked in mills or the trades. Not everyone is capable of serious and deep thought- as we see in “journalism”. They’d be more productive as a carpenter.
I wonder if the US will simply allow China to take over the cheap EV business. They have oversupply. And leave the Teslas for the upmarket. That’s the way i think it will pan out.
I live in supposedly wealthy Wokeachusetts- yet, I know few people who can afford even a “cheap” EV. Yet, no other vehicles can be sold here as of 2035. I keep asking what if we buy an ICE vehicle in a nearby state (anyone here can drive out of state in less than an hour). Will we be allowed to register it here? Or maybe the state will tack on a huge tax?
We are still a long way away fr 2035. Things do not move linearly. What i expect to happen is that for heavy duty vehicles things will stay the same. For personal lighter vehicles hybrids will likely become the norm if the battery issues do not become too big ( mining etc) and will be sold after 2035. IF ( and its a big IF) they wont allow new petrol/diesel cars to be sold to individuals you can expect a huge 2nd hand market. Like a car that is a few months old. Companies will offer them cheap prior to the deadline. A buyers market. But i dont think it will come to this. Like net zero, the writing’s on the wall. The road to hell is paved with, well…intentions. It’s really hard for ideology to maintain force against reality. And you need a lot of control. Although we have a lot of that done by stealth propaganda has its time limits. Things dont move linearly..
In the old Soviet Union, they had to build walls in order to keep people in.
Kind of like a prison.
We have the same nonsense here in the People’s Republic of Maryland…worse yet, is that by that same deadline anyone who heats with gas will be unable to buy a new gas furnace or boiler. That was just signed into law fairly recently.
What totally gets me is that you hear not even a peep from businesses and anyone else who will be affected by such diktats. The state is saying “We plan on hobbling (or killing) your business/industry in this state by 2035”. And to consumers “We will tell you what products you can buy and what you cannot!” Car dealerships have to know that if that date passes and nothing changes, they will become nothing more than used car dealerships. Of course, they may be able to survive by doing that, especially if they go private. HVAC installers, I suppose, may survive for a time by putting bandaids on older heating systems. Companies that sell wood stoves will likely see increased sales, at least until the powers that be make moves to restrict those.
Then, as you mention, people could just buy cars (and heating units) out of state. If the state in question would not allow those purchased out of state vehicles to be registered, there is always the possibility of registering the car out of state. Yes, they can catch you doing that, but that doesn’t mean more than a few people won’t do it.
Hmm. I can see a variation of one of the voting fraud schemes working here. There will be hundreds of people “registered” as living in a two bedroom house in a sane State.
There was a poll worker in Cincinnati convicted of voter fraud a few years ago when Obama was running.
She voted once in person. But she also sent in an absentee ballot for herself. And she filled out one and sent it in in her daughter’s name and 3 more for other people she said “used to live there”.
The sad thing is that she said doesn’t think she did anything wrong.
That will cause all the illegals to go back where they came from, to enjoy greater sanity in their own countries
You are brainwashed, because the government has no right whatsoever to declare how much of this or that.
PURE UNCONSTITUTIONAL USURPATION
Instead of anguishing over the future, everyone should invest their time and energy in removing the party responsible for this and electing a party that will trash these regs, regardless of what you may think of a politician’s character. Policies in politics matter; personalities, not so much.
It would be great if there was such a party
Historically speaking motorists are generally not the easiest people to fool.
Apparently birds and tree lovers who also believe in CAGW do not see the connection between climate mitigation measures and destruction of environments.
Are the numbers of wind turbines and PV farms, bird deaths, loss of habitats, and sheer unwarranted environmental destruction linked?
Why not ask these campaigners why they cannot make the necessary connections as they shed their crocodile tears? It’s that thing about the medicine being deadlier than the disease we ignored during COVID-19. We’re doing the same things again because these folk have more money than sense.
That was the funniest thing I’ve read this week, thanks
The lunatic environment wrecker is back with more inanities.
It’s only EV Fanboys (and whatever other genders there are) who regard vehicle performance data from the manufacturer as accurate. Most of the rest either ignore them or use it for comparison only
“the funniest thing I’ve read this week“
You obviously don’t read your own posts.
They are way passed the borderline of slap-stick comedy, into the realm of comic idiocy !
Is English a second or third language for you?
Don’t give this moron your attention – just downvote and then ignore…attention is his desired outcome.
Indeed.
Tell me, have you ever had even a passing relationship with reality?
Still mad you can’t pass the driving test?
So his aversion to personal transportation is actually a form of sour grapes?
His statement implies he’s not a motorist, so that’s a good bet.
I’m looking forward to the day big rewilding meets big renewable energy.
Possibly in the form of two government departments.
Here in the UK we can fit them into one department. We already have the “Ministry for Energy Security and Net Zero”. You can have one or the other, not both.
Neither seems the more likely result, insecure energy, and we’ll still miss NZ by miles.
In some parts of Wokeachusetts- the most radical, like the western part of the state, people are now complaining about solar “farms” replacing good farm land and forests. But it doesn’t mean they’re against the green fantasy. They think the problem will easily be solved by covering every roof with solar- and parking lots. Of course even if they could do that, it wouldn’t come close to producing all the electric power that will be needed.
Typical socialists, they demand that someone else bear the cost of their insanity.
Have we gotten past the “solar roads” lunacy?
People have an amazing capacity to rationalize really bad ideas.
I believe that the plans for parking lots are to create elevated panels and have the cars park under them.
Solar roads is a bad idea that is so appealing to those who never bother to think through the consequences, that it will probably never die.
They will create heat islands where-ever panels are located
Glider planes will look for the updrafts above PV system, and stay aloft much longer..
You could travel from New York to Boston on a sunny day, just following the “highway” of PV panels. What a blast.
hmmm… heat islands, with updrafts? Then hawks will notice and use them as highways! This should require an environmental impact study- should take years! 🙂
“In some parts of Wokeachusetts”
Back in the early 80’s I lived in New Hampshire for 3 years.
There was a joke.
Q: Have you ever been to a Communist country?
A: No. But I’ve been to Massachusetts!
I have two 2012 Honda Accords. I can afford new cars but I think my old cars are of a better quality.
It’s nice to have backup cameras and certainly some Bluetooth and other electronic features that are generally standard on today’s vehicles, but your point is well taken.
To me, all those electronic gizmos are just more things to break. I never needed radar controlled cruise control, Sirius radio, running boards, moonroof, or cameras before and still consider them superfluous.
Unfortunately, to get the vehicle I wanted, the only option I had was to get the “premium” package because manufacturers only build what they want to sell – not what the customer wants.
When the government controls how many cars you can build, it makes sense to try and get as much profit as possible from each of them.
I got a downvote for voicing an opinion about the state of manufacturing due to government interference?
Or is it from jealousy?
My 4 Runner is a damn good truck. It would be better without all the crap I will never use.
Your assumption that the car makers ignore what the buyers want, based solely on the fact that they aren’t making what you want is the kind of nonsense we are too used to seeing from socialists.
Because I can’t order what options I want as an individual, you equate that to socialism?
I think that forcing everyone to buy the same stuff and only that stuff is more socialist/communist than being able to place an order according to individual wants.
“ backup cameras“
These have become desirable, but touch screens are a distraction — often not readable because of glare. I need to build a sun-shield for mine — item 97 on my to-do list.
I just bought a new Toyota 4 Runner because I don’t think the domestic brands have the quality to last and deliver performance off road. I traded in a Chevy that had horrible suspension and 4WD.
I didn’t leave domestic brands, they left me.
In the UK nobody is buying pre-hated EVs
https://youtu.be/fY87FBmYiNc?si=zPm1PrlpEzcv6VoK
pre-hated EVs!
nice! I hope that phrase catches on!
Pre-hated, as in “used battery car”?
How is that still on youtube?
I would figure THEIR algorithm would take it down for Zuckerberg’s oligarch and Democrat party friends.
I wonder what being left to stand for 6+ months is doing to the batteries, it surely can’t be good for them.
“June 20 (Reuters) – Sales of new battery-electric cars in the European Union dropped 12% in May from a year earlier, led by a 30% plunge in Germany, data from Europe’s auto industry body showed on Thursday.”
“Overall new car sales in the bloc fell by 3% in May from the same month in 2023, the second drop this year, and were down 2.6% in a wider region covering the EU, Britain and the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), the ACEA said.”
This game is over.
Mostly, these are people who don’t have garages. Owning an EV and not being able to change at home sucks.
Even a regular 110v wall outlet is good enough for most people to cover 30-50 miles of daily driving – with a public fast charger visit only for longer trips.
Without that outlet, you’re looking for a public charger every week. It kinda sucks.
“ who don’t have garages“
Did you mean a charger 50 m. from anything they do not want to endanger with a fire?
Would be safer to charge outdoors, away from your house.
Can’t a home charger be made weatherproof? Don’t see why one needs a garage, unless it is to keep thieves from stealing the copper.
Fire brigades in the UK advise not to charge in a garage if it is attached to the house
In winter before I had a garage, in the morning I’d clear off enough snow and ice to open the door, start the car and turn on the defroster. Then I’d get out and clear the windshield and the rest of the windows.
If my car had been an EV?
I’d probably have to find a new job within “trudging through the snow without getting frostbite” distance.
I believe if you look at best battery maintenance practices from most EV manufacturers the recommendation is not charging until close to 20% and to charge up to 80%. That would suggest that ‘topping up’ each night to maintain a decent level of charge is not good for the battery. Otoh, if you wait until the battery is down to 20%, charging back up to 80% using a 110v circuit will leave you without a car for long periods.
Saw an ad for an Ioniq battery car a couple days ago—it was showing off their new feature of being able to sleep in the driver’s seat while waiting for it to charge.
I laughed.
So … all EVs will become semi-mobile homes?
Electric VW buses?
My son in law has a Model S and while it’s not bad to drive, it is somewhat limited. He gets a free ride by driving to the local Tesla charging stations, so that’s okay for him. He offered to pay for an outdoor charger in his apartment garage but the HOA said no. Fully charged, it got us from Tahoe to San Francisco with no problems. I’m thinking that support for the charging stations is probably going to decrease over time, as Musk’s recent layoffs have demonstrated.
There is a lot less to this survey than meets the eye. The 46% figure is for respondents, i.e, those that chose to return a 200 question survey. Now, it;’s possible that may be a real reflection of the % of EV owners that want to switch to ICE, but highly unlikely. People who go to the trouble of returning a survey that long are usually strongly motivated, and that motivation is usually negative.
If there was a real survey, i.e. one where they randomly ask people their opinion and, then maybe it would have some validity.
Strongly motivated would, in general, be those people who bought EVs in the first place to “save the planet” or just to virtue signal.
I would think there are very few EV buyers who just comparison shopped the new car market and then decided an electric car was their best choice.
Of course there will be some percentage who have massive excess cash that bought an electric for the 0 to 60 acceleration and don’t care one way or the other about “the environment”.
Wasn’t that massive acceleration responsible for the death of at least one woman who accidentally reversed into a lake?
Booze was involved. Who’d a thunk it?
She couldn’t get the windows open.
Nice explanation. You fully understand the problem with the 97% number often trotted out. Good job.
It’s not just this one survey. There is also the fact that when people trade in EVs, most of them do not buy a second EV.
Even the dealers don’t want them !!
So … after 2030 or so, will being a used EV salesman be considered a “green job” or just another Government job?
So you are saying that they have grossly underestimated the percentage of EV owners that have figured out they are unusable and desperately want to go back to EVs.
Probably nearer 80% +
Perhaps someone as stupid as you would buy a 2nd hand EV, but there are not many a stupid as you are.
error.. d’oh !
desperately want to go back to ICEs.
error.. d’oh !
desperately want to go back to ICEs.
I’m thinking very seriously of actually getting an EV, but just as a backup in case we have problems with gasoline supply. The Southeast US is very dependent on just one pipeline and it has had issues in the past. Probably pick up a cheaper Tesla coming off lease. There are plenty of Teslas where I live. I also won’t park it in my garage. Put it away from the house just in case of you know what.
I think the EV’s have a place in metro areas where you have a lot of stop and go and trips aren’t that long mileage wise. If your commute is 60 miles round trip or you need a car to do day trips around town, charging becomes a non issue. Picking a lower mileage used one coming off lease takes the higher price of buying one off the table as well. If I can find one that was only used by a lady that only drove it to church every Sunday, all the better.
Let us know when you get one!
Go hybrid. All issues disappear.
I’ve owned a hybrid and it wasn’t that much better mileage wise for me and certainly wasn’t worth the price. My primary car is driven mostly on longer interstate trips, not so much around town. My wife’s car is driven as a commuter car and around town. It would be a backup for her primarily but it would also be used on a trip if absolutely necessary.
If the pipeline goes down, there’s a good chance that there won’t be any excess electricity for charging either.
We have a nuke sitting 30 miles from my house and the other plants feeding the area are all NG. Different pipelines.
Really? A ‘backup’ of three, ten gallon containers of gasoline would give me a range of close to 1000 miles, and be wickedly cheaper than an EV. If the gasoline supply isn’t restored by the time drive that distance, then we will have far bigger problems, like the restocking grocery stores without having fuel for delivery trucks.
Check out the local Tesla fast charging stations in your area. As I mentioned in another comment that is a major selling point. My son in law has never had to pay for a charge.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Sold on the hype, then reality appears, followed by buyer’s remorse.
Virtue signaling can be expensive, as well as inconvenient.
A hybrid vehicle wouldn’t be bad as a commuter if battery technology was vastly improved and without using the neurotoxin lithium.
As is typical with virtue signaling elites and government, they are pushing what they want for feelz.
Plus, they’ll need the Lithium to treat their climate crisis psychosis
For those of you who have little faith in technological progress, the following article might be helpful. (wink)
“In the West, there is a lot of blabber about the future of electric vehicles. Some say that the future will never arrive, others say it is coming soon. In Europe, things are speeding up a bit, but many carmakers are wrestling with legacy cars and factories. BMW, for example, still offers a diesel version of that fancy new 5-Series. In the U.S., the EV situation is Tesla, and then not much else. In China, however, the future has arrived.”
https://www.theautopian.com/i-went-to-china-and-found-these-incredible-electric-cars-youve-never-heard-of/
So much projection, so little actual research, definitely a global warming cultist.
In your opinion, the only reason why people aren’t falling over each other to buy EVs, is because they have no faith in technology?
Things are speeding up in the EU mostly because subsidies and mandates are increasing, not because people want to buy EVs. There’s a reason why the world is not rushing to buy Chinese cars, either EV or ICEV. When you figure out what that reason is, maybe, just maybe, you will finally have found the path to wisdom.
I dont think you necessarily have to poopoo someone highlighting Chinese EVs. They are much cheaper and the supply is already there. Im not sure why people who are actually looking for EVs are not getting them.
Could be the supply line infrastructure, parts replacements etc.I am also unaware of regulations/ trade barriers in regards to chinese vehicles. The US has trade systems w some eastern countries like Japan and South Korea as part of the western system. China is for the cheap disposible stuff. But you are in general right about the reluctance to get an EV for obvious reasons. The current wave is high end Tesla style. They are now the cool BMW and Mercedes of yesteryear.
And for those boasting about new EV or other tech like hydrogen, prototypes do not mean sales. It needs both initial pushers and a fair amount of bulk to get the masses going. The uncertainty about the tech is a damper. The reason i brought up hybrids is that that is a technology that actually works, whether it is better than straight ICE or not. My guess is that hybrids will eventually be seen as the ‘transition’ model. Because real transitions rarely happen. It is additional and might replace other, less efficient forms ( or less dense ones f energy sources). For me i will keep my wee Suzuki Swift until it dies..
I could see this this coming a few years ago when a cousin of mine in Arizona who had leased a Toyota Prius hybrid twice over 6 years gave them up for an ICE Camry instead after the 2nd lease expired. He said that when he factored in all the expenses, he found no saving with the Priuses, and the Camry had a better reliability record.
You can’t run an economy on subsidies. The whole thing is ridiculous.
Yeah, sad to say, for the typical American, an EV is only a viable option as a second car to people who own garages.