Opinion by Kip Hansen — 28 February 2024 — 2700 words/13 minutes
In the United States, both Federal and State agencies make pseudo-laws by formalizing “rules” which have the effect of law but are not written by or voted on by the legislators which have the responsibility to make law.
We see this in the fight over CO2 and PM2.5 rules from U.S. Federal agencies like the EPA. At the Federal level, the rule making process takes more than a year, usually two or more and includes Public Comment periods. Rules are difficult to undo – and require the same lengthy process to make a new rule to override the old.
New York State, currently big on the Climate Crisis, has just proposed a new rule as follows:
Proposed Action: Amendment of Part 490 of Title 6 NYCRR.
Statutory authority: Environmental Conservation Law, section 3-0319
Subject: Science-based State sea level rise projections. — Purpose: To establish a common source of sea-level rise projections for consideration in relevant programs and decision-making.
In plain English, the NY State Department of Environmental Conservation (NYS DEC) proposes a common source of Sea Level Rise Projections to be used statewide for program planning and decisions making. This sounds good, right? Can’t have all these different government programs and politicians using different data – that would be a mess.
Let’s see what they are mandating through this rule:
490.1 Purpose: This Part establishes science-based projections of [sea-level rise] sea level rise for New York State’s tidal coast, including the marine coasts of Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester counties and the five boroughs of New York City, and the main stem of the Hudson River, north from New York City to the federal dam at Troy.
Readers unfamiliar with New York State geography can look at this map of NY State – the above paragraph covers all the coastal sections of Long Island, Atlantic and Long Island Sound, and the Hudson River, which is tidal, all the way to Troy, which is north of Albany:

So, we see that besides the usual coastal areas, where we would expect tides, the Hudson River itself is tidal all the way north to “the federal dam at Troy”, which is 160 miles north of The Battery which sits at the southern tip of Manhattan Island (see inset lower right). The geography dictates that all of the tides up the Hudson River are determined by the tides at the Battery.

So, if we want to know how much sea level rise there has been in the past for Manhattan and all points north on the Hudson River, we must look to the tide gauge at The Battery. We would be in luck, as that is one of the longest continuous tide gauge records in the United States and is coupled to a continuously operating GPS stations, which allows correction of the tide gauge record for the vertical land movement (VLM) of the rock to which the tide gauge is attached. Subtracting the VLM from the Relative Sea Level Rise (RSLR) apparent in the Tide Gauge Record, we can determine eactly how much the sea surface itself has risen.

According to NOAA’s tide gauge record, The Battery has a long-term, nearly-perfectly linear record of Relative Sea Level Rise over 167 years of 2.92 mm/yr. It can be highly variable month-to-month. We can safely just say 3 mm per year and be close enough.
How much of that is subsidence of the structure on which the tide gauge is mounted? According to the latest study [Wu, P.-C., Wei, M. (M. ), & D’Hondt, S. (2022). “Subsidence in coastal cities throughout the world observed by InSAR”. Geophysical Research Letters ] NY City’s The Battery sees VLM of -1.21 mm/yr. That is subsidence, downward land movement, of over 40% of the recorded Relative Sea Level Rise, leaving 1.69 mm/yr of upward movement of the actual surface of the sea per year. That 1.69 is very close to the standardly cited Global Sea Level Rise figure for the 20th Century of 1.7 or 1.8 mm/yr. (opinions vary – see NOAA here.)
Note that this latest VLM finding is very close to that found in the seminal paper by Snay et al. in 2007 of -1.35 mm/yr for The Battery.
The subsidence at The Battery will not necessarily be reflected in the tidal values up the Hudson River, as coastal New York is thought to be subsiding at a faster rate than areas inland, and the “hinge point” for crustal rebound on the Hudson River is around Kingston, NY, which is about 95 miles north of The Battery, north of which the land begins to rise instead of subside.
Nonetheless, for our purposes today, when talking about potential Sea Level Rise in the upriver reaches of the Hudson River, we can use 3 mm/yr as the upper bound and 1.7 mm/yr as the lower bound for Sea Level Rise on the tidal Hudson based on historical records corrected for VLM.
The proposed NY State rule calls for replacing the previously used ClimAID projections, which had been updated in 2014, in this report:

which can be downloaded here.
Let‘s see what the updated projections are as of 2014.

The new rule calls for replacing the projections from the ClimAID 2004 report as updated in 2014. This newer report updated the base period, changing the base period from 2000-2004 to the twenty years between 1995-2014, but gives no numerical metric – it doesn’t state what they were to use for the average sea level for that time period. There are so many different methods of determining that base period metric that I will simply fallback on referring to the tide gauge record at The Battery.
Using the long-term tide gauge record, we see an unchanging trend of 2.9 mm/yr. The trend for the base period appears to be the same when looking at the whole record. (Technically, using the recorded monthly values, from Jan 1995 through Dec 2014, the linear trend is down…which is what happens when selecting just a small portion of a long-term record). The previous sentence is an error – depending on and sensitive to the exact starting and ending dates for the base period (Jan or Dec 1995 and Jan or Dec 2014) the trend is either close to 2.9 mm/yr or decidedly flatter.
All of that adds up to this: The least-wrong projection of future sea level rise for The Battery would be “more of the same” – about 3 mm/yr. – and, if one was overcome by a sudden attack of over-cautiousness, “maybe a little more.”
If we wish to include global warming/climate change in our forecast, then we must do so from one of the following IPCC dates for the start of Climate Change: 1890, 1950 (mid-20th century) or 1979 [IPCC AR6]. It is obvious from the NOAA Tide Gauge Record of The Battery that the sea level rise rate did not change at any of those dates but has rather remained stubbornly steady at the stated about 3 mm/yr or 30 mm per decade or 300 mm (about 12 inches) per century.
What does the new rule say planners in NY State must consider? For all of these projections which are from the base period 1995-2014, the date of the report?
The previous version, supposed to be based on the updated NYSERDA report, had these:


The first chart above is from the NY State Register version of the new rule, however, despite claiming that the projections are from the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) 2014, they are not the same. The second chart is the equivalent chart from NYSERDA (2014). Note that the dates are different and that even for the Low Projection, the new rule adds 10 extra inches (from 15 to 25) to projected SLR in NYC by 2100 without any explanation for the differences from the NYSERDA report.
It has taken a very deep dig to discover that the SLR projections in the new rule are derived from an Interim Version of a report that is to be cited as : Stevens, A., & Lamie, C., Eds. (2024). New York State Climate Impacts Assessment: Understanding and preparing for our changing climate. (All the available .pdf files are watermarked INTERIM PUBLICATION.)
I’ll come back to how these projections came to be so exceptionally high.
If we just stick to SLR trends, so how much SLR do we need to experience at The Battery to see 6 inches of SLR between 2014 and 2039? That’s 25 years to see 152 millimeters of SLR; just about exactly 6 mm/yr.
Low Projection: Even for the low projection, we would have had to seen twice the rate of SLR, every year since 2014 and every year up to 2039, as we have actually experienced. In the 9 years since 2014, we have only had 27-30 mm of SLR leaving 122 mm to be achieved in the next 15 years which would be a rate of a little over 8 mm/yr, nearly triple the current rate. Likewise, for the 2100 low projection, a rate of about 8 mm/yr for the rest of the century would be required.
High Projection: The projection calls for 13 inches or 330 mm between the years 2014 and 2039 – which would require a rate of SLR of 13 mm/yr. Since it is now 2024, we have only about 15 years left to see the remaining 300 mm (we have already seen 30) which requires 20 mm per year or 8/10th of an inch, each year, for the next 15 years.
They are just making this rule now, today, this week.
I would think that those proposing this rule would realize that if they have not seen any increase in SLR rate in the last decade, 2014 to 2024, that it would require something truly extraordinary to see the rate of SLR double or triple over the next 15 years. And these multiples are just for the Low Projection.
When considering the High Projections to 2100, we find that the projected rate of SLR used in the new rule are the same 20 mm/yr for the 85 years from 2014-2100. But again, that would have required 20 mm/yr for the last decade as well, which we have not seen.
In short, something is seriously wrong with the projections of Sea Level Rise in this new rule. They are not based on the 2014 NYSERDA report, but on the new, apparently not yet finalized, New York State Climate Impacts Assessment (2024). I’ll give you a peek at the full projection from this report for The Battery (click on it for a single page .pdf download):
From the chart above, the Climate Assessment makes this claim:
“Projections for the future: Sea level is projected to rise along the state’s coastline and in the tidal Hudson by about 2 to 3 feet by the end of the century. However, there is a chance of a more dramatic change if part of the Antarctic ice sheet collapses, for example. Such a change is impossible to predict with any certainty, and scientists consider it a “low probability but high impact” event. If it happens, New York could experience sea level rise of about 7 to 10 feet by the end of the century.”
How in the world do they arrive at such hysterical conclusions? Here’s the text from the new proposed rule: “To provide for consideration of a range of possible futures, including potential for low-confidence, high-consequence sea level rise scenarios associated with rapid melt of land-based ice, the Department proposes adoption of projections based on a blending of projections associated with three illustrative scenarios: SSP2-4.5, SSP5-8.5 medium-confidence and SSP5-8.5 low-confidence.”
As with almost every other catastrophic climate change scenario and projection, the Climate Assessment team has used SSP5-8.5 – not just once, but two versions of SSP5-8.5 “blended” with more sensible projections produced by SSP2-4.5.
I’m sure that there is a procedure explaining somewhere how one scientifically “blends” projections, particularly if two of the three are considered improbable, implausible and/or outright impossible. If you can find it, please let me know.
Normally, I would shake my head in amusement and forget it. But in this case, everyone in New York with interests in tidal areas, including my friends and neighbors, or who pays State taxes of any sort, will be paying the price for these wildly exaggerated projections of sea level rise.
Bottom Lines:
1. The report prepared for the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) and its projections of Sea Level Rise in NY State were touted as “Science-based State sea level rise projections”. However, the even the projections in the updated version are poor science and do not even take into account the actual SLR seen over the last two decades, during which the SLR rate has stubbornly remained at 3 mm/yr.
2. The updated NYSERDA 2014 report did not use standard procedures for its sea level rise projections, but a homespun mixture “using an innovative component-by-component analysis (Table 2) that blends climate model outputs and expert judgment for variables like ice sheet dynamics that climate models are unable to simulate.”
3. Worse yet, the new proposed rule under consideration, as contained in the NY State Register, does not use the projections from the NYSERDA 2014, but instead uses the interim projections, claimed to be based on the IPCC’s AR6, in the New York State Climate Assessment.
4. All of the projections, in the new rule, in the NYSERDA 2014 report and in the NYS Climate Assessment require doubling and tripling of long-term SLR rates as seen at The Battery. Such increases have not been seen in the decade since the 2014 update report and, based on the historical record, are extremely unlikely to be seen in the near future.
5. RCP8.5, or the newer version called SSP2-8.5. A reasonable approach to projecting SLR in NY State, using the IPCC’s SSP2-4.5, has been polluted by “blending” in two projection sets based on the implausible, maybe impossible, SSP5-8.5 resulting in projections that appear as fantasies.
5. There must have been a real stickler on the NYS Climate Assessment team to force them to include the following caveat at the bottom of their SLR projections:
“Like all projections, these climate projections have uncertainty embedded within them. Sources of uncertainty include data and modeling constraints, the random nature of some parts of the climate system, and limited understanding of some physical processes. Levels of uncertainty are characterized using state-of-the-art climate models, multiple scenarios of future greenhouse gas concentrations, and recent peer-reviewed literature. Even so, the projections are not true probabilities, so the specific numbers should not be emphasized, and the potential for error should be acknowledged.”
6. Laughably, the Register entry, makes the following claim:
“4. Costs Part 490 will not impose any costs on any entity because the regulation consists only of sea level rise projections and does not impose any standards or compliance obligations.”
The new rule, however, literally “raises the bar”, to ridiculous heights, required for compliance with an untold number of other existing rules and regulations that mandate actions based on what will be these new official projections of Sea Level Rise, if the rule is enacted.
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Author’s Comment:
My usual Sea Level Caveats apply: The surface of the sea is rising, it has been rising for several hundred years, slowly and inexorably. It will continue to do so until the Earth enters into yet another cool period. Human developments on low-lying coastal land (and foolishly-built infrastructure on barrier islands) are already at risk and should undertake adaption and mitigation efforts.
The very hard-working and knowledgeable Roger Caiazza, the Pragmatic Environmentalist of New York, brought this matter to my attention — and I hope that those of you with interests in New York State will take advantage of the Comment Period to object to this new rule.
You may participate in the Public Comment process as follows:
“Written comments on the proposed rule may be submitted until 5 p.m. on April 29, 2024. Comments and requests for further information can be sent by mail to Mark Lowery, NYS DEC Office of Climate Change, 625 Broadway, Albany, NY 12233-1030 or emailed to climate.regs@dec.ny.gov. Include “Comments on Part 490” in the subject line of the email.”
Here is the link to read the full rule proposal in the NY State Register. The Part 490 proposal begins on Page 8.
Thanks for reading.
Note: As usual, several obvious typos and grammatical errors have been corrected on my first reading after initial publication. There were quite a few — injected by nasty little internet pixies while I distracted. kh
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The Green rule
No pain, no gain.
…and, often, even with pain, no gain.
Strat and Ed ==> A lot of pain for those with riverside property in the Hudson Valley. An acquaintance was already forced to give up rental the ground floor of his historic Custom House building on the Hudson due to sea-level rise flooding rules, with the new rules, if he were building again, he would be required to raise the building to use the second floor.
I was being facetious, Kip.
Put it down to quaint Englishness
strat ==> wasn’t complainin’….
No the “green” rule is ALL PAIN, NO GAIN.
There are no benefits to their stupid policies, just lots of costs.
Beds of nails all round
It seems to me that with many of these rules, regulations, and decisions there is considerable gain, if one happens to be a member of the right crowd.
Kip
Excellent!
Thanks for taking the time to put all this together. It will make the task of putting together comments much easier.
Roger Caiazza
Roger, I agree with your commendation of Kip’s work, and I thank you for all the work you are doing. It’s very much appreciated by people like me who don’t have (or make) the time to do the research but who very much understand the importance of pointing out the absurdities of New York’s climate programs.
Roger ==> I have a lot of materials prepared, but not used, for this piece. I will email them to you.
Thanks for the tip-off!
“The new rule, however, literally “raises the bar”, to ridiculous heights, required for compliance with an untold number of other existing rules and regulations that mandate actions based on what will be these new official projections of Sea Level Rise, if the rule is enacted.”
A comprehensive list of the “existing rules and regulations” and the required actions is a necessity. Better to know before the rule is enacted.
Ed ==> This is quite usual legislative/agency procedure. Existing rules are “updated” with the pretense that the “simple” update doesn’t really change anything. But calling for over 2 to over-5 feet of SLR by the end of the century is HUGE and creates devastating future compliance costs for all concerns along the river from The Battery to the Troy Dam.
My first thought was of horridly sexist jokes about why women can’t be civil engineers, but this is taking innumeracy to the point of absurdity.
Tom ==> This is the NY State DEC — Department of Environmental Conservation — a portion of which is under the control of Climate Crisis advocates. The are desperate to show that their continuously extravagant claims of future climate harm are “scientific” thus unassailable and “not our fault”. But they have Climate Crazies who pick and choose the sources of their preferred The Science on which to base their rules. So they select two RCP8.5 models and an Antarctic Rapid Ice Melt scenario to “blend” with an already exaggerated SSP2-4.5 model.
They can’t see the reality — even though they are in Albany (below the Troy Dam) and can look at the waterfront they cannot see that these rates of SLR have NOT been really happening.
Here’s comparison of observed vs. imaginary sea level rise NYC
Sickening Climatism everywhere one looks.
Ron ==> Yes, absolutely right — the BLUE LINE is Reality, the Red Line is Fantasy (horror story fantasy at that).
Just eyballing this graph, the IPCC error from 2000 to 2024 is greater than the total measured sea level rise from 1900 to 2024.
John ==> This field, Sea Level Rise, is so “scientifically odd” that I have been writing about it for a decade, including a chapter in CLINTEL’s book on AR6.
Himalayan Mountain Ranges are made out of millimeteric guesses from satellite “measurements” — currently, very accurate physical measurements of modern Tide Gauges are ignored for the most part because they don’t show enough SLR. The Battery and Sydney Harbor are examples.
The great Physical Chemist Irving Langmuir once gave a talk on what he called “Pathological Science”. Here are its characteristics:
Climate “Science” appears to fulfil all six.
Readers ==> Ron Clutz writes at Science Matters — you can read him there. A lot of good stuff.
Ron, Who is arguing 2.5 meters by 2100?
Powerful and simple chart by the way.
bernie, the imagined sea level projections shown in red come from models that include IPCC suppositions in estimating sea level rise in various localities. For example, from the UCS (Union of Concerned Scientists). The charts also reflect sea level forecasts by state agencies like the California Coastal Commission.
More examples from recent update:
https://rclutz.com/2024/02/01/observed-vs-imagined-sea-levels-2023-update/
Thanks. This is what I was looking for.
At the sea level rise rate shown by the red line, Obama’s grandchildren will see their house on Martha’s Vineyard swept into the ocean.
Ron: Do you have a link for the 2.5 meters increase by 2100. The IPCC tool indicates a lower estimate for the RCP8.5 scenario of 1.15m.
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/ipcc-ar6-sea-level-projection-tool?psmsl_id=12&data_layer=scenario
From the lead post:
From the chart above, the Climate Assessment makes this claim:
“Projections for the future: Sea level is projected to rise along the state’s coastline and in the tidal Hudson by about 2 to 3 feet by the end of the century. However, there is a chance of a more dramatic change if part of the Antarctic ice sheet collapses, for example. Such a change is impossible to predict with any certainty, and scientists consider it a “low probability but high impact” event. If it happens, New York could experience sea level rise of about 7 to 10 feet by the end of the century.”
Very informative, Kip! Thank you.
What a pointless (mis)use of the regulatory process!
DD ==> The NY DEC is required by other laws to base certain things on Science Based Sea Level Rise projections….”The Science” keeps changing, in this case getting more and more alarmingly fantasy-based, so they are required to update the “Official Science” despite that “science” having been already proven wrong — the projections did not align with reality — for the last decade.
Trump caused all this land sinking, by heavily overvaluing his properties. That’s the damages that Judge Engoron so graciously determined.
CG ==> There was a study recently that blamed it on the weight of the buildings….
Just wait until the left-leaning crowd capsizes Manhattan!
DD ==> They are already capsizing the economy and energy system. Luckily, my family has three sailboats large enough to accommodate all of us if we must flee….
But how would over-valuing Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach FL affect New York? Obviously Judge Eng-Moron has never been to Mar-a-Lago. He should be forced to buy it and then sell it for $18 million.
Donald Trump is also responsible for the 1918-1920 flu pandemic, but the prosecutors just haven’t finished the indictment paperwork.
/sarc
The state should just condemn the mansions and beach houses at risk from rising sea levels. Problem solved.
Soylent ==> In some places and some cases, I agree.
But this new rule setting new “official SLR projections” affects every single property along the Hudson River to to the dam at Troy (160 miles of river). This stretch of river has been in use by modern man for over 300 years….much of the western shore has some sort of development — houses, docks, etc. All of these properties and their owners are affected.
If the other State laws require compliance with rules to adapt to future projections, of 4 to 5 feet of SLR, plus the 8-10 foot “higher than” rule, whole sections of cities are affected.
Just CRAZY.
“It has taken a very deep dig to discover”… Indeed! Excellent research as always Kip, thanks.
I wonder what percent of the population affected is even aware of these sorts of initiatives, not to mention the potential cost and consequences, to which the precautionary principle doesn’t seem to apply… And what will be the catastrophe that will make people realize they’ve been duped.
David ==> There is a group of us trying very hard to bring a more reality-based view of the climate and its changes to the general population. You know what happens — we are attacked, denigrated, called nasty names, etc etc.
Even world class award-winning scientists are treated the same if they point out the absurdities of IPCC “science”.
I no longer do ‘net searches with my name as it turns up too much negative junk from the Climate Crazies.
There are a few of us working specifically in New York State. Roger Caiazza, Francis Menton and others. Matt Briggs is in New York now, I believe.
The same scare-mongering is ever-present in Climate Reports in the State of Massachusetts. There projections all seem to be based on the RCP8.5 scenario, e.g., https://www.mass.gov/doc/2022-massachusetts-climate-change-assessment-december-2022-volume-ii-appendix-b/download To hit their 2050 projection of 2 feet, would need a ten-fold change in the current mslr rate of 1″ per decade.
Bernie ==> Indeed, the Mass Climate Change assessment says upfront: “1. Cornell University’s Stochastic Weather Generator Dataset. This source provides projections of temperature and precipitation variables, for four future eras (2030, 2050, 2070, and 2090) for the 10th, 90th, and median percentile results. It relies on results from among 20 Global Climate Models (GCMs) for the Representative Concentration Pathway (RCP) 8.5 greenhouse gas emissions scenario.”
Improbable, implausible, and/or impossible.
Here’s Boston
Thanks. I have not explored that dataset.
More immediately the narrative is used to justify plans to spend millions on unneeded infrastructure that will exacerbate local area flooding. It is asinine.
Brody et al – describe in detail how development contributes to “Rising Waters” in Miami and Houston. https://www.amazon.com/Rising-Waters-Causes-Consequences-Flooding/dp/1108446833/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1GMI9YW6TXV2Y&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lr1-n3Zt0JsRxYOwopHH_ANSFN-QdqnQr_X0TS7GLfimDbR4jgw1bYpFII95jSrZcAPtOwzdB3uw7FilN249LMW5nl_YnM9DaUZmZ8FVQZBZPSfRH6OTbLkxG09tbU-gsh0eVrFvtbr4ZaGm6_R2MHw3GKGN4z_8flUlGY-nWEISRQj-baH7q6o2IvbjN0f5y8qJZWpsx4SGBZ0DwblLEsiVUsVqiuUUQ5ztYIamngA.U47wQchUq6JIoUArXRW0xPIH6FMnQUf7N3Kc_iIeXqA&dib_tag=se&keywords=Samuel+Brody&qid=1709246786&sprefix=samuel+brody%2Caps%2C111&sr=8-6
Trees sometimes fall and buildings collapse, however, I have no idea what it means when it is said the “Antarctic ice sheet collapses.“
For example: The world’s largest iceberg, A23a, is on the move** after being trapped in place off Antarctica’s coastline since 1986 (~38 years). This “slow motion” activity is no match for watching the top of a Ponderosa Pine snap off and spear the ground below or for the implosion of a building producing a cloud of particles as the concrete and steel collapses.
**I do not find an estimate of the duration of its existence when it does finally enter the Antarctic Circumpolar Current, that it has not yet done.
John ==> They don’t know either — it is one of the Climate Crisis Memes that we must all be afraid of “Antarctic Ice sheet collapse”.
The fact that it is PHYSICALLY impossible (impossible by the laws of physics) does not deter the Climate Crisis people from threatening the general public with it.
It is a matter of the raw total energy (as heat) necessary to melt the Antarctic ice — if we fired every nuclear bomb on Earth (even those that Nations swear don’t exist) at the Antarctic, all at once, we would barely make a dent.
It should be mentioned that The Science assumes that the basins that hold the ocean waters remain without change. Yet, there is ample evidence of seafloor spread, subduction, new seamounts, sedimentation in large deltas and so on. There is a large leap of faith in the assumption of no change to basin volume. Faith plays no valid part in proper Science. Geoff S
Geoff, A deep dive into geological forces affecting sea levels is this paper: Why would sea-level rise from global warming and polar ice-melt? By Aftab Alam Khan published in Geoscience Frontiers.
From conclusion:
Geophysical shape of the earth is the fundamental component of the global sea level distribution. Global warming and ice-melt, although a reality, would not contribute to sea-level rise. Gravitational attraction of the earth plays a dominant role against sea level rise. As a result of low gravity attraction in the region of equatorial bulge and high gravity attraction in the region of polar flattening, melt-water would not move from polar region to equatorial region. Further, melt-water of the floating ice-sheets will reoccupy same volume of the displaced water by floating ice-sheets causing no sea-level rise. Arctic Ocean in the north is surrounded by the land mass thus can restrict the movement of the floating ice, while, Antarctic in the south is surrounded by open ocean thus floating ice can freely move to the north. Melting of huge volume of floating sea-ice around Antarctica not only can reoccupy volume of the displaced water but also can cool ocean-water in the region of equatorial bulge thus can prevent thermal expansion of the ocean water.
Khan paper:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323248159_Why_would_sea-level_rise_for_global_warming_and_polar_ice-melt
My synopsis:
https://rclutz.com/2018/03/26/co2-rise-%e2%89%a0-sea-level-rise/
Geoff ==> You are right, but here (and everywhere, really) we are only concerned with the level of the sea surface where it hits my dock, or my marina, or my beach, or my backyard.
That’s Relative Sea Level and is driven by subsidence and absolute sea level rise — not some calculated, modeled, or Eustactic Sea Level version. Many web pages, including those at NOAA and NASA will tell you that “eustatic sea level” is the distance from the enter of the Earth to the sea surface.
This is not strictly true. The Sea Level Research Group at the University of Colorado states the true definition, and informs us that this is what GMSL, as “measured” by satellites, really represents:
“The term “global mean sea level” in the context of our research is defined as the area-weighted mean of all of the sea surface height anomalies measured by the altimeter in a single, 10-day satellite track repeat cycle. It can also be thought of as the “eustatic sea level.” The eustatic sea level is not a physical sea level (since the sea levels relative to local land surfaces vary depending on land motion and other factors), but it represents the level if all of the water in the oceans were contained in a single basin”.
The import of that admission seldom sinks in, no matter how many times I point it out.
GMSL, in all it’s glory and majesty, does not represent a physical level of any sea anywhere. It is a CONCEPT, and ONLY A CONCEPT.
Annnnd… Behold the Glacial Isostatic Adjustment:
“Prior to release 2011_rel1, we did not account for GIA in estimates of the global mean sea level rate, but this correction is now scientifically well-understood and is applied to GMSL estimates by nearly all research groups around the world. Including the GIA correction has the effect of increasing previous estimates of the global mean sea level rate by 0.3 mm/yr.”
So, be very careful what numbers you are looking at for MSL.
If you aren’t paying attention, a measurement of 2.8mm/year will end of being a “True” value of 3.1mm/year, because that’s what it “Would have been” if the basins weren’t expanding. Funny how all these adjustments end up helping the climatastrophic crowd.
https://sealevel.colorado.edu/presentation/what-glacial-isostatic-adjustment-gia-and-why-do-you-correct-it
A tale of the Precautionary Principle gone amok. We know it’s going to happen sometime, maybe. So let’s prepare now and clear everything so the elite can reclaim the land for sometime in the future when it does happen.
They need to STOP any further investment NOW. That will get people riled up and maybe,.just maybe get some more realistic mitigation work done.
Over the years the rate of sea level rise goes up and goes down.
Each plot on the graph below represents the rate of sea level rise
for the previous 30 years:
Steve ==> Yes, Relative Sea Level and its rise and fall is extremely variable, everywhere — not criticizing, but looking at year to year changes is scientifically silly, as the annual delta (the change) is far smaller than the uncertainty in measurement.
Top to bottom on your graph is five MILLIMETERS. The uncertainty even in the latest tide gauges is +/- 2 Centimeters (that’s a range of 40 mm)
Even with mad-cap averaging, 5 mm gets lost and is just noise.
You forget, all uncertainty is Gaussian, and cancels when averages.
Jim ==> Gee, my bad! Forgot that Scientists who produce The Science can eliminate all uncertainty through the averaging methods taught in Junior High School.
Steve,
It might help readers if you added a graph of global temperature estimates. to see the alleged relation between sea level and temperature, that is, the oceans acting like a thermometer.
Geoff S
Codifying a lie for public law, how charming and how destructive it for property rights.
Sunset ==> Si, muy destructivo! But not for me personally. We are at least 100 feet above the river.
But my friends and neighbors? Terrible.
Note that the Rich and Famous of the late 1800s built on the EAST side of the Hudson, mansions up on top the cliffs, far out of harms way.
More corrupt government. All government needs to be slashed from the top down.
Heh. This story brings to mind the Internet meme showing side-by-side photos of the Statue of Liberty taken in the 19th century and the 21st. There’s no obvious difference between the two of the water level surrounding Bedloe Island.
Occasionally, just for s and g, I’ll post it on X on threads panicking over SLR. Oh, the comments.
”What about the tides?”
”The tides!”
Now, I understand full well that silly photos don’t prove anything, But if the waves of New York harbor were now lapping at Lady Liberty’s skirts at high tide, the media would be screaming about it.
Meanwhile a lovely riverfront park in Manhattan was destroyed and rebuilt 3 feet higher for hundreds of millions to demonstrate New York’s concern over sea level rise. What is this obsession about?
Craig ==> Which waterfront park was raised?
Battery Park resiliency project
https://www.nyc.gov/site/lmcr/progress/battery-park-city-resilience-projects.page
Thanks