By Robert Bradley Jr. — August 10, 2023
“UKers have been hearing doom for a half century. Citizens want affordable, reliable energy. Many if not most know that UK sacrifice will not have any affect on climate for decades given the global coal, gas, and oil boom. Adaptation yes, but don’t exaggerate.”
It began with a “Wake Up Rishi Sunak” post from Andrew Griffiths, director of Policy & Partnerships at PlanetMark, a climate activist organization that continually complains that the UK government never does enough to mitigate greenhouse gases. Never mind that the UK accounts for about one percent of such global emissions; its oil and gas industry is mostly shut down; businesses can’t afford climate-policy-inflated bills, and consumers are falling into energy poverty…. And the plants like CO2!
“When government actually tell the general public what the climate crisis will mean for the UK, they demand government action,” Andrew begins.
The findings of this government report are not surprising, nor is the fact that the current government would choose to release their report on this quietly and without fanfare because it would make them accountable and not support their effort to start a culture war for political gain.
I responded:
Is the report exaggerated? Alarmism in, alarmism out? Malthus in, Malthus out?
UKers have been hearing doom for a half century. Citizens want affordable, reliable energy. Many if not most know that UK sacrifice will not have any affect on climate for decades given the global coal, gas, and oil boom. Adaptation yes, but don’t exaggerate.
One Steven Lord replied:
Hmmm….your credentials are invalid round here, buddy: Institute for Energy Research (IER) & American Energy Alliance (AEA) Koch Industries Climate Denial Front Group … The Institute for Energy Research was founded by Charles Koch and CEO Robert Bradley, a former Enron executive, in Texas under its former name, the Institute for Humane Studies of Texas….
I replied:
Ad hominem all you have? Do you understand what classical liberalism is? BTW, I founded IER with my father, not other person. Fact.
Pro-consumer, pro-taxpayer, pro-freedom, and yes, pro-environment (energy density wins) is a sound basis to counter climate policy, which is failing despite all the (wasteful) effort. Freedom over Big Brother…
Griffiths chimed in: “what Steven said. Are your views exaggerated? Oil money in, denial out?: My reply: “Classical liberalism, my friend. Why the repeated tries to discredit rather than stick on the issues?”
Griffiths reply:
Call it what you want. What you are doing is immoral and will one day be seen by future generations (and even current ones) as blood money.
We will live to see the day that those within the oil industry who have been secretively funding campaigns to sow false seeds of doubt will be held accountable for their actions. I hope that you wake up to the damage that you are doing long before that happens.
My reply:
Nice to finally get that out of you… But just incredible if you really believe it.
What if a critic calls what you are doing–using Government to substitute inferior for superior energies, costing consumers coming and going–as immoral.
Your program is based on coercion–classical liberalism is based on consenting adults voluntarily exchanging value for value. Sorry, but people who disagree with you on your premises and on the results of interventionism are not evil or immoral.
May the best energies win with government neutral–and may the countryside be saved from industrial wind turbines that operate at one-third of capacity. And crony, rent-seeking capitalists. That’s real economics and environmentalism.
Then Andrew takes it up a notch!
The only crony here is you. Accountability is key and the international legal system in countries around the world are putting in place criminal charges for ecocide alongside genocide. This is where accountability will be found for oil and gas companies.
I responded:
Just more ad hominem at the beginning of your evasive reply, and then madness about “criminal charges for ecocide alongside genocide.” Is this a threat?
Ecocide?
Andrew Griffiths disappeared at this point. But what is ‘ecocide’? As defined at the alarmists Inside Climate News:
At the close of World War II, when Soviet and Allied forces liberated the Nazi concentration camps at Auschwitz and Dachau…. a new word—genocide—was needed to describe it…. Another crime of similar magnitude is now at large in the world…. That crime is called ecocide.
And that is getting crazy, folks.
They seem to be from the sewer side. 😉
Hence, an air of authority.
Not thing’s certain Andrew Griffiths certainly isn’t Andy Griffith
Maybe Barney.
Goober.
They seem to be advocating Societocide.
The destruction of [a] society does not come solely from the climate industry and what it demands of peoples.
It is but one of many fronts.
Net Zero – the shortest Economic Suicide Note in history.
ECOCIDE
EVERY wind turbine owner or installer. ! Birds, bats, insects.. all killed and mutilated
EVERY Solar factory destroying lives and polluting the environment !
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NON-Ecocide
Providing much need atmospheric CO2 for the increase of crop and plant life around the world.
GENOCIDE
Disallowing the progress of real reliable electricity to huge numbers of people in third world countries.
Allowing horrendous mining conditions and near slavery to get raw materials for wind and solar. Allowing slavery in the production of solar panels
Ecocide…
“”Scots ‘astonished’ as 15.7 million trees felled by SNP to develop wind farms””
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1794037/SNP-cut-down-trees-wind-farms-scotland
Oh dear…they cided a lot of the eco to put those up. But its ok, they ground them up into wood pellets for heating.
They may take trees to clear an area for Low Density Energy Generation like Wind and Solar+Battery but don’t worry, they’ll plant more someplace else to offset the clear cutting. Soon though, the only place to plant more trees will be atop existing forests as all the other land will have either Wind Farms, Solar Farms or Battery Farms (AKA Subsidy Farms) and we still won’t have enough energy when the wind dies down at night
Climate and Weather, a Parody of sorts
Climate and weather always appear to be something that the various well renowned Bureaus of Meteorology don’t appear to get correct.
Start with weather.
At best they can only provide a 7 day forecast with constant updates as things change.
Weather is unpredictable also in many ways it has a sex.
Example:
Farmer 1: She is pissing down hard today.
Farmer2: Yep shore is.
Person 1: She is a stinger of a day.
Person 2: Yep, she is bloody hot even in the shade.
OK so we see weather is female. That is unpredictable as it changes its mind daily. Ok men are just as unpredictable but weather is normally here in OZ referenced as a ‘she’, especially in the regional sector. I live in the regions so I do have some understanding of the conversion style.
Inference weather is not predictable.
So for argument sake consider weather like a late teen to early 20s young lady.
Climate.
Well climate is not that predictable either. In most cases it is fairly constant, but does have its ups and downs, which have been called by the renowned climate evangelists Climate Change. Yes Climate Change is a trademark word the way it is bounced around.
So what is climate? Well it’s a bit like grand parents, grandfather and grandmother, or what ever the new lingo is, which I don’t care about.
Grandfather tends to be straight down the line and does not vary too much. Ok nice guy but has some strict attitudes on many things. Grandmother is similar but can get warm and fuzzy especially with grand children. They do the spoil then type stuff before returning then to their parents.
So there it is. Climate and weather are like people, unpredictable. Climate the grandparents, Weather the young granddaughter.
The parents are the renowned elite scientists pushing the “modelled climate change” with little clue on how to deal with the grandparents or the daughter.
Their mistake is they have tried to put the grandparents and the daughter into the a single
model and have come up with a grotesque entity.
But what if She, the weather, identifies as climate?
Then 30 years of climate determines the climate. If that sounds nonsensical, it is because it is.
Such utter bolleaux is all the ecoloons have left to them. Today’s climate fear factor is hovering on 11
In another comment I stated how the Scottish government chopped down 15 to 17 million trees to make way for wind turbines. And I’m puzzled as to how on the one hand, they are anthropocentric
“At the close of World War II, when Soviet and Allied forces liberated the Nazi concentration camps at Auschwitz and Dachau…. a new word— [for?] genocide— was needed to describe it…. Another crime of similar magnitude is now at large in the world…. That crime is called ecocide.”
And yet the intention is to cover life in general? Does cutting down 16.7 million healthy CO2 dependent trees count as ecocide? I think, in their terms it does.
“The draft law, unveiled on Tuesday, defines ecocide as “unlawful or wanton acts committed with knowledge that there is a substantial likelihood of severe and widespread or long-term damage to the environment being caused by those acts”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/22/legal-experts-worldwide-draw-up-historic-definition-of-ecocide
“Prices boom in Aberdeen and London Town
Ten more years to lay the fears, erase the frown
Before we are all nuclear—the better way!
Oh, let us pray: we want to stay
In North Sea
In North Sea
In North Sea oil”
Unfortunately the cry of the Climate Loon is so loud that they have the ear of those in actual power while the voice of reason is busy muttering under it’s breath
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Many if not most know that UK sacrifice will not have any effect on climate EVER!
It will have an effect, how the level of impact is so far below the noise that it can’t be measured with current equipment.
Not being able to measure something because of noise, is not the same thing as not being there at all. That claim is as ludicrous as anything the warmest claim.
Oh I see you are talking about the Schrodinger Temperature sensor!
Very well done!
Is it available on Amazon or EBay?
Seems to me the first victims of ecocide are going to be the OAP’s who freeze to death because they can’t afford their gas and electric bills – which, in the absence of this AGW lunacy would likely be far more affordable. Will Andrew Griffiths accept being held to account for his small, but non-zero, part in their demise?
I’m sure he’ll enjoy receiving a participation trophy, or something to that effect, for being a useful idiot for the cause. Until the point, of course, when the cause does away with him.
old age pensioner –> OAP
. . . or anyone else that can’t afford the necessities
Had never heard of ‘PlanetMark’ before. Just how many of these vacuous, parasitical organisations are there?
That’s a very good question and who funds them would be even more interesting.
One guy with a web page doesn’t need more then $100.
But it isn’t one guy and a web page, which you would know if you could be bothered to check.
Griffith is an employee at Planet First Limited. The company is registered at 71-75 Shelton Street Covent Garden London WC2H 9JQ, as are hundreds of other companies i.e. no employees actually work there.
The company is simply milking subsidies on the path to Nut Zero.
It’s not as though Griffiths pay packet depends on him spouting this nonsense, is it?
Yes, always the same false assumption: that if the UK limits or eliminates its emissions, that will have an effect on global emissions and the global climate.
Its as if the government of Tuvalu should proclaim that global sea levels are rising and will swamp them. And so they should immediately close all their hotels and flights and take their emissions to zero…. to save their people.
You find it in Biden’s pronouncements too. The demand is always to do things which the activists themselves, if they believed their own stories, would think are utterly pointless. Even if they were doable, which mostly they are not.
Its like demanding people in the UK take fewer baths, because there is a drought in the Sahel.
Or…. bath with a friend….
“”Standpipes (upright taps) began to arrive in towns and cities to deliver fresh drinking water supplies to parched residents and the cheeky slogan ‘Save Water, Bath with a Friend’ found its way onto badges, T-shirts, stickers and posters up and down the country, representing more than a degree of humour in the face of adversity””
https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-1976-heatwave-the-summer-britain-sweltered
Well, ecocide is actually a good term to describe the madness of forcing the replacement of reliable hydrocarbons with unreliables. The reality is that at some point, if the madness continues, there will be a massive grid failure that will last long enough to cost a lot of lives. That will be ecocide.
That exchange is a stark demonstration that it is futile to try to discuss anything with lefties.
To take a phrase from one of their heroes, V. I. Lenin:
Don’t waste time arguing with your enemies, get into positions of power, then there will be no need for discussion.
This is what’s needed to rid us of the scourge of lefty insanity.
It’s what the Left has already done. What is needed is a roll-back on this.
Wow. It’s like arguing with a chatbot.
the only thing leftists are good at is name calling
Oh, I think they are pretty good at forming cults as well.
And spending our money on useless doom cults
By his definition, would someone who advocates for expensive and unreliable energy that results in documented additional deaths from the cold this year be guilty of “ecocide”?
Yes, those who define it may be the first to be charged with it.
Andrew Griffiths is explained in this now dated article.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-appoints-champion-to-spur-business-on-to-net-zero-emissions
I don’t see any science in his background. On-the-job training?
Apparently, he now has a new job and title. When the axiom of CAGW via CO2 gets imbedded in one’s mind there is no reasoning left therein. The biblical story of St. Paul (Saul of Tarsus) comes to mind. I’ll win a lottery first!
Yep, he is a lawyer and an accountant. Doesn’t know squat about anything real.
I think that’s the wrong Andrew Griffiths – refer to link at top of page
Start with the assumption that anyone who disagrees with the climate alarmists is funded by oil companies.
Then use that assumption as a reason to ignore anything your critics have to say.
Alarmist logic in a nutshell.
Of course, they don’t want to talk about the warmunists being funded by the LLL people (Loony Leniist Lefties).
From the article: Griffiths: “We will live to see the day that those within the oil industry who have been secretively funding campaigns to sow false seeds of doubt will be held accountable for their actions. I hope that you wake up to the damage that you are doing long before that happens.”
I think it is to be expected that people who use unsubstantiated assertions as evidence of human-caused ciimate change, would also use unsubstantiated assertions as evidence oil companies are lying about CO2.
Without unsubstantiated assertions the climate change alarmists would have nothing to talk about.
Here’s a clue for all the climate change alarmists out there: There is a big difference between what is evidence and what is speculation, assumptions and assertions. You should learn the difference and then you will see that the climate crisis does not exist. There is no evidence that CO2 is doing what climate change alarmists claim it is doing.
None of the climate change alarmist assertions would stand up in court as evidence.
And it’s not that hard to distinguish actual evidence from speculation, assumptions and assertions. Trial judges do it all day long. So one has to wonder just how stupid someone has to be to accept speculation, assumptions and assertions as evidence of anything. Climate alarmists need to watch Perry Mason reruns. Perry will show you the difference. 🙂
I would propose an alternative definition, ecocide- the act of national suicide due to climatic fanaticism.
To put it bluntly, Alarmist ideology, by attacking our energy systems destroys wealth, and ultimately lowers standards of living, with the net effect of destroying human life. Alarmists are therefore guilty of Anthropocide. How do they like them apples?
Please note the names and addresses of these people for the inevitable climate change POLICY crimes against humanity trials. How far all this ends up going, how many lives they cost will determine if the get the full William Wallace/Mussolini treatment.
Look at Fauci, the information thus far revealed shows that he is directly responsible for 7 million deaths and then conspiring to hide it.
“Get them up against the wall”.
Roger Waters.
Another way to handle the insults is to say:
thank you for proving my argument (data & conclusions; etc.) correct by attacking me instead of my conclusions.