“We, the young”: Open Letter From the Student Climate Change Strikers

School Strike
Students march against climate change on Rue de Treves in Brussels on 24 January 2019. Bence Damokos [CC BY-SA 4.0], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The Guardian has published an open letter from the leadership of the student climate change strikers.

We, the young, are deeply concerned about our future. Humanity is currently causing the sixth mass extinction of species and the global climate system is at the brink of a catastrophic crisis. Its devastating impacts are already felt by millions of people around the globe. Yet we are far from reaching the goals of the Paris agreement.

Young people make up more than half of the global population. Our generation grew up with the climate crisis and we will have to deal with it for the rest of our lives. Despite that fact, most of us are not included in the local and global decision-making process. We are the voiceless future of humanity.

We will no longer accept this injustice. We demand justice for all past, current and future victims of the climate crisis, and so we are rising up. Thousands of us have taken to the streets in the past weeks all around the world. Now we will make our voices heard. On 15 March, we will protest on every continent.

We finally need to treat the climate crisis as a crisis. It is the biggest threat in human history and we will not accept the world’s decision-makers’ inaction that threatens our entire civilisation. We will not accept a life in fear and devastation. We have the right to live our dreams and hopes. Climate change is already happening. People did die, are dying and will die because of it, but we can and will stop this madness.

We, the young, have started to move. We are going to change the fate of humanity, whether you like it or not. United we will rise until we see climate justice. We demand the world’s decision-makers take responsibility and solve this crisis.

You have failed us in the past. If you continue failing us in the future, we, the young people, will make change happen by ourselves. The youth of this world has started to move and we will not rest again.
The global coordination group of the youth-led climate strike

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/01/youth-climate-change-strikers-open-letter-to-world-leaders

What do the school strikers plan to do to “make change happen”? I guess if they knew, they wouldn’t still be demanding their parents sort out their lives.

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old construction worker
March 2, 2019 2:07 am

I wonder how many are getting paid to protest?

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  old construction worker
March 2, 2019 3:54 am

All of them are paid. By their parents.

And by the taxpayers.

And get subsidized by taxpayers.

When they buy tickets for personal transports they get the discounts that people with minimum income are entitled to.

this is how they finance their big ecological footprint.

Every new Friday.

Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
March 2, 2019 4:46 pm

They all need to read the real science.

https://rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com/2018/05/09/ever-been-told-that-the-science-is-settled-with-global-warming-well-read-this-and-decide-for-yourself/

Some school teachers they have!

Will some of you please put this link on twitter, facebook and others and others as you see fit.

Im afraid that I don’t patronize any of the social media.

Thanks

Cheers

Roger

http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

icisil
Reply to  old construction worker
March 2, 2019 4:00 am

They get to skip school gratis. What child wouldn’t exchange sitting in class to be outside having fun, for any reason?

Big T
Reply to  old construction worker
March 2, 2019 8:01 am

Hair on fire IS fun to watch!

Bill Powers
Reply to  old construction worker
March 2, 2019 8:01 am

Just wait until the twin towers of debt come crashing down on their future. When the $70 Trillion in unfunded liability for social programs and the perpetual growth of a $21 Trillion discretionary spending debt collapses on them they will be wishing for heavy doses of global warming because they will all be living in tents along with their parents.

These adolescents are following the Pied Piper into the deep woods, like a story straight out of fairy tales, little aware that their government intends to drown them like rodents.

mike
Reply to  Bill Powers
March 2, 2019 8:49 am

Well, it likely won’t end well for childless old age dependents either. To the extent paper and electrons lose “value”, the next generation sounds like it is not going to extend old socialist promises very far.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  mike
March 2, 2019 12:31 pm

It’s training the young to blame others for everything they perceive as being wrong.

Just think what damage to society this mentality will have for the future society.

Reply to  old construction worker
March 2, 2019 8:11 am

Sorry climate-striking kids, and children of all ages, but you’ve got it wrong – yet again:

There is no credible evidence that climate is highly sensitive to increasing atmospheric CO2 – NONE! There is ample evidence to the contrary, and that any resulting warming will be mild and net-beneficial to humanity and the environment.

In fact, atmospheric CO2 is not too high, it is too low, alarmingly low for the continued survival of carbon-based life on Earth.

Most food plants (which are C3) die at about 150ppm due to CO2 starvation. During the last Ice Age, only 10,000 years ago, atmospheric CO2 dropped to about 180ppm – only about 30ppm above a global extinction event – not just for one or two obscure species, but for ALL advanced terrestrial carbon-based life forms.

Barring massive human intervention, that is the probable outcome during one of the next Ice Ages – and THAT is your next big extinction event.

Pat Frank
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
March 2, 2019 12:59 pm

You hit the nail on the head, Allan.

Those, the young, don’t know what they’re talking about. Those, the teachers, who have incited them with falsehoods, need to pay a price.

Danley Wolfe
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
March 2, 2019 1:02 pm

But there is plenty of evidence that rising CO2 levels causes uneducated people to believe and spout off jingoisms / propaganda that have nothing to do with science. Not a one of these children have ever heard of the Scientific Method… or have heard that correlation is not causation… especially when the hypothesis is missing key variables such as solar variability, smog/particulates, volcanic activity, shifting earth magnetic core, … and of course changing the data sets downward (cooler) for pre 1979 NOAA data to exaggerate the future correlation rise in millennial temperature projection.

Hivemind
March 2, 2019 2:08 am

“I guess if they knew, they wouldn’t still be demanding their parents sort out their lives.”

What could we expect? Their parents still feed them, house them and provide them with iPhones. They have no idea how the world works. They probably think that their food comes from the supermarket and that there would be no consequences if they told all the miners to stop digging, farmers to stop raising cows and power companies to stop using fossil fuels.

R Shearer
Reply to  Hivemind
March 2, 2019 7:08 am

Yes, why do they not stop their own sins and allow others to choose for themselves?

Riding up a chairlift yesterday in fantastic cold snow conditions, a gentleman began lecturing me about how global warming would end skiing. And yet, skiing itself is a luxury. It’s not necessary and the industry uses tremendous amounts of fossil energy to maintain facilities, not to mention all of transportation of riders to get to the slopes. Here he was.

I said that we are doing the experiment in any case and because of the importance of fossil fuels to modern society, there is not much we can do anyway until perhaps advanced nuclear or fusion or other technologies can make significant contributions economically. He asked me if I were a fatalist.

I said no and that the climate today is well within natural variability and the natural trend is for technology is to make things better not worse, and every problem is over exaggerated. I threw in that I was a chemist PhD with graduate level training in atmospheric chemistry. I asked what he did.

He said he was a solar panel salesman for an energy efficiency company. As we reached the top of the lift I just said enjoy the snow.

Stacy Pearson
Reply to  R Shearer
March 2, 2019 7:24 am

This is sooooooo perfect. Thank you.

Kenji
Reply to  Hivemind
March 2, 2019 9:47 am

Was that a threat by the kiddies? Are they going to hold their breath to stop exhalation of Co2 till their faces turn blue?

Toss em out on the streets without ANY fossil fuels whatsoever, and let em freeze to death … or become rapidly e-d-u-c-a-t-e-d and more circumspect in their … opinions.

March 2, 2019 2:11 am

They are not strikers, they are truants. The only person you affect with truancy is yourself.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Hans Erren
March 2, 2019 7:42 am

Students/Be the Führer’s propagandists. Has a contemporary version of the Hitler Youth Movement arrived? When will we ever learn?

Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
March 2, 2019 8:05 am

No need to use godwins

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Hans Erren
March 2, 2019 11:10 am

Hans – thanks

March 2, 2019 2:12 am

The authoritarian elite are trying to set young against old in order to increase their move towards absolute power globally.
The truth about the lack of evidence for any significant divergence from natural variability needs to be put out there as soon as possible.
Lies get around the world faster than the truth can get its boots on.

Ken Irwin
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
March 2, 2019 2:33 am

The Pol Pot regime (amongst others) did that – all such child abuse has ended very badly.

Those egging them on should be called out and prosecuted.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Ken Irwin
March 2, 2019 4:16 am

Who would have thunk it, ….. the beginning of an American Third Reich is beginning to amass.

Jimmy Haigh
March 2, 2019 2:13 am

Gordon Bennet.

Kevin
March 2, 2019 2:16 am

I’m guessing that mummy and daddy drive them to these demonstrations. I expect they think that we get the electricity that powers all their gadgets by just pushing that switch on the wall

F.LEGHORN
Reply to  Kevin
March 4, 2019 3:08 am

Those gadgets don’t use “power”. They use batteries. Silly man.

LdB
Reply to  Kevin
March 4, 2019 7:01 am

And no-one except the leftist media cared, as they desperately tried to beat up another story.

AndrewWA
March 2, 2019 2:19 am

Snowflakes can be so fragile….

Doug Huffman
March 2, 2019 2:22 am

Is senescence death a kind of schadenfreude?

I am so going to miss being able to point the finger and “told ya so!” Why do they think I should care about how they’re gonna screw things up?

Dennis Sandberg
March 2, 2019 2:26 am

Democracy requires an informed citizenry. These products of our failed public education system, liberal indoctrination centers, tell of our future. These poor brainwashed children are more worried about another 20 ppm CO2 in the atmosphere than another $20 trillion of national debt. Sad and very scary.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Dennis Sandberg
March 2, 2019 9:28 am

The Founding Fathers rightly feared democracy – mob rule. Perhaps because they were well read in the Classics, to know that only the Forty Tyrants of Ancient Greece practiced majority rule, while the citizens elected volunteers using a lottery, Voter ID pinakia, in a lottery machine kloterion, sortition just as we elect juries.

WXcycles
Reply to  Doug Huffman
March 2, 2019 6:33 pm

Those ‘Founding Fathers’ who feared democracy so much would probably feel right at home in Brussels then. The way you describe them they sound a lot like a Ruling Elite.

John Dilks
Reply to  WXcycles
March 3, 2019 6:33 pm

WXcycles,
You missed the point. Complete democracy is mob rule and doesn’t work beyond small homogeneous groups.

2hotel9
Reply to  John Dilks
March 4, 2019 7:18 am

Yep, 5 people voting on where to eat usually ends up with 2 going Chinese and 3 going to the wing bar with the well endowed waitresses.

March 2, 2019 2:27 am

But the children have parents, don’t they talk to them ?

If we arere going to win this battle, or perhaps better to really call it what it is, a War. then we must make sure that we have a better PR exercise. Call it what it is Propaganda, as it was with Dr. Gobbles. Its time for the gloves to come off, far too much Mr. Nice Guys on our side.

We must first convince the businesses that they too are facing a great danger, and its time that they started to support us financially. Because if these kids, who will have the vote in a few short years, carry on thinking like this, then our way of life will be over.

True when they, the little darlings see the power go off and their electronic gadgets not being able to be charged, they will finally wake up, but its too late by then, and the mess will take a long time to clean up.

The politicians will to the last try to survive, and will blame whatever to keep their well paid jobs. So wake up “Western World Countries”. .

MJE

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Michael
March 2, 2019 4:25 am

Michael March 2, 2019 at 2:27 am

But the children have parents, don’t they talk to them ?

Michael, of course the parents talk to their children, ….. and they agree with and encourage what their children are doing …… simply because the parents are the “product” of the same public education system.

Roy
March 2, 2019 2:28 am

Some of these ‘kids’ will be living under bridges within a decade. Asking them how they arrived at this state of life, they will respond that the world is a mighty unfair place.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Roy
March 2, 2019 8:50 am

“Some of these ‘kids’ will be living under bridges within a decade.”

In Freeattle.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Roy
March 2, 2019 12:45 pm

With the deserving attitude they have and the quickness they are to strike and complain about how unfair it is. They’ll quickly be tossed from the work force. They will learn the hard way what things really matter in the world.

A C Osborn
March 2, 2019 2:28 am

DEMAND!
Arrogant, Stupid, Obnoxious, Ignorant and Brainwashed little B*****ds, who the hell do they think they are.
They have done and achieved Nothing and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
My challenge to them is.
Give up everything to do with Fossil Fuels.
No Flying.
No Driving or being driven.
No Technology.
No Medicine.
No Central Heating.
No Air Conditioning.
No mass produced Food, they have to buy from home grown local produce.
No Plastics of any kind.
No Synthetic Fabrics of any kind.
And the first people they MUST DEMAND to do the same are their Parents, lets see how they get on.

A C Osborn
Reply to  A C Osborn
March 2, 2019 2:32 am

Oh, and they can show us all the dead bodies of the 6th Mass Extinction as well.

vukcevic
Reply to  A C Osborn
March 2, 2019 3:16 am

No problem, that sounds like ‘No Deal Brexit’, one lunar month to go.

Guirme
Reply to  A C Osborn
March 2, 2019 3:35 am

Excellent comment. You should apply for a job as Green Party manifesto writer!

cedarhill
Reply to  A C Osborn
March 2, 2019 4:54 am

Come on. The Jesuit saying (modernized) applies to these kids: Give me a child until they’re 10 and I’ll show you the adult.

They’re just indoctrinated, brain washed if you will. The first issue is why the parents and the adults that have done this are not tarred and feathered. The second issue is whether even an intervention will save these kids from their brain washing. But note: the fault lies with their parents.

And, perhaps, a bigger issue is will parents and the adults be allowed to continue this indoctrination and brain washing. I.E. the real ire should be laid upon their heads with the goal to eliminate this socialist indoctrination.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  cedarhill
March 2, 2019 7:52 am

“They’re just indoctrinated, brain washed if you will. The first issue is why the parents and the adults that have done this are not tarred and feathered. The second issue is whether even an intervention will save these kids from their brain washing.”

Yes, the kids were not born fearing the climate. They were taught that fear.

As for what will save the kids, the alarmists have shortened the doomsday timetable down to 12 years, and by the end of that time, if not before, these kids are going to realize there is not going to be a catastrophy and they will also realize they have been duped, and will not be happy about it and will question everything they have been taught then. It’s just around the corner. Although to the kids, it will seem like forever, but one of these days their eyes will be opened.

Hang in there, kids. It’s not nearly as bad as you have been led to believe. In fact, it’s not bad at all. We should be so lucky as to have the kind of benign weather we have had over recent years, all the time.

And watch that global temperature gauge, kids. It has been cooling for the last three years, down about 0.6C (UAH). So the temperatures are not correlating with the CO2 in the atmosphere. The CO2 goes up and the temperatures are going down. You can breath a sigh of relief, at least for now.

Here’s the UAH satellite global chart:

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DMacKenzie
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 3, 2019 6:53 am

Tom, the long term trend is up since the start of the record in 1979 Cloud cover variation, volcanoes, El ninos, PDO, etc are invoked to explain the ups and downs. What have you got other than CO2 that explains the long term trend?

Tim Gorman
Reply to  DMacKenzie
March 3, 2019 7:32 am

The short-term trend since 2016 is cooling. Short-term trends many times become long-term trends. We are now at about the same level as in 2007 and 2010. That demonstrates cooling, not more warming.

If you take out the last half of 2016, 2017, and 2018 the linear regression would have us at about +.75 C and not back to the +0.5 C we are now at.

How much longer will the current cooling trend continue? I don’t know, you don’t know, and more importantly the climate models don’t know!

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 3, 2019 8:38 am

Unfortunately, many of these children will be voting well before 12 years are up, and they’ll vote in more like Ocasio-Cortez. And then then “history” will be rewritten, and that 12-year time limit will disappear, and there will be nothing to show the young adults that it was all a sham. Their parents have done a pretty good job of voting in milder versions of Ocasio-Cortez, which is why we are where we are. And they have, in the US, voted in school boards that allow, if not encourage, the teachers to indoctrinate the school kids.

jtom
Reply to  A C Osborn
March 2, 2019 6:40 am

Need to hit them a little closer to home:

No cellphones
No computers
No tablets or iPad
All of which means no social media or electronic gaming
No TV
No speakers
No music except that done live, locally
No hamburgers
No pepperoni pizzas, sausage pizza, bacon, or other meats
No vacations beyond walking distances

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  jtom
March 2, 2019 8:52 am

Nothing made with machinery that isn’t made completely by hand. In other words, you’ll need a 300 year old loom to make your clothing.

Ron Long
March 2, 2019 2:32 am

So on March 15 there will be demonstrations everywhere wherein these young people try to wrest control of the climate change control knob away from their elders? Stay away from traditional socialists gathering spots on March 15, looks like. I have two routes to the golf course and I will be utilizing Route B, which is longer but safer, and will put more CO2 (plant food) into the atmosphere. No pasa nada.

A C Osborn
March 2, 2019 2:36 am

No comments on that Guardian article.

Erny72
March 2, 2019 2:41 am

You the children,

You make up half the global population, but you are dependent upon maybe half of the other half for everything that you take for granted and selfishly believe are your rights; the food on your plates, the roof over your heads; your education, your safety and security, the entertainment and fashion trifles you believe you ‘need’, and the pocket-money you believe you are ‘entitled’ to.

Your generation grew up with no real problems to deal with and so you’ve hitched your slacktivist ‘likes’ and ‘hash-tags’ to an imaginary crisis to gratify your egotistical need to belonging to a fashionable cause. At no personal risk or effort on your part.

There is a very good reason you are not included in global decision making; in the innocence of youth you are naive and impressionable and you haven’t learned to tell the difference between sh!t and Shinola. You have made no contribution to the society that protects and nourishes you; therefore you have not earned the right to decide its fate.

People are dying right now because of policy pretending to ‘solve’ the imaginary ‘climate crisis’. By ‘starting to move’ in support of policies that threaten our entire civilisation, you are tacitly culpable for their premature deaths. How many likes do you expect to score on Facebook for man-slaughter?

Now shut-up your petulant, puerile whining and go back to school before a responsible grown-up puts your over their knee and gives you a spanking you cheeky spoiled brats.

Robertvd
Reply to  Erny72
March 2, 2019 3:26 am

Like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez none of them have a fully developed Cortex. And Alexandria isn’t that young anymore. And “all our lives” will be only 12 years more so enjoy it.

vukcevic
Reply to  Robertvd
March 2, 2019 3:50 am

SC25, one long sunspot cycle and we had it.

vukcevic
Reply to  Robertvd
March 2, 2019 3:55 am

According to the Met Office, the UK’s mean maximum temperature in February was at 3.5C above the average between 1981 and 2010.
…. maybe we are all dead already

A C Osborn
Reply to  vukcevic
March 2, 2019 4:19 am

Yes the maximum was above average, as maximums are.
However what they didn’t tell you was the CET average for the month was only 15th Warmest.
See
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/03/01/february-2018-only-15th-warmest-on-cet/

WXcycles
Reply to  vukcevic
March 2, 2019 7:26 pm

It’s 46 degrees centigrade in parts of north Western Australia today. No one will die from it. It’s like that most days in Summer (which is officially over), and 38 to 45 degree C temps in summer are a daily occurrences all over and almost no one dies from it because we’ve adjusted our way of living to deal it. We don’t even stop working most of the time, businesses don’t close, we don’t admit ourselves to hospital, we just carry on life as normal.

The idea that anyone in Europe might be thinking that a rise of 3.5 degrees from a European baseline would be dangerous to human life is simply laughable. It isn’t. Failing to adapt to the environment is what’s dangerous, but humans don’t have that problem.

John
Reply to  Erny72
March 2, 2019 3:29 am

+100000

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Erny72
March 2, 2019 3:35 am

well said!

that would melt a few snowflakes

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Erny72
March 2, 2019 6:10 am

Erny72 – March 2, 2019 at 2:41 am

You the children,

You make up half the global population, but you are dependent upon maybe half of the other half for everything that you take for granted and selfishly believe are your rights;

Me thinks it is more likely that “you children” are ….. dependent upon maybe 1/4th of the other half for everything that you take for granted.

Senior citizens, politicians, public employees, non-profit employees, consummate “troughfeeders”, dope dealers, gang members, etc., etc. do not contribute very much at providing “goods” that children are dependent upon.

jtom
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 2, 2019 6:45 am

As a senior citizen, let me correct you. I am living off the proceeds of what I contributed back when I was working, and I pay thousands in taxes of all types, including school taxes.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  jtom
March 3, 2019 3:53 am

But, but, jtom, ……. the question is, ….. during your pre-retirement years were you working as a “private sector” goods producing employee ….. or ….. a “public sector” goods consuming troughfeeder?

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 3, 2019 7:23 pm

What a bigoted thing to say. Work paid through taxes is investment towards the nation’s well being. For example: Our founding fathers found it important to fund public services and the people necessary to provide them for the good of the nation.

“The Whole People must take upon themselvs the Education of the Whole People and must be willing to bear the expences of it. There should not be a district of one Mile Square without a school in it, not founded by a Charitable individual but maintained at the expence of the People themselvs they must be taught to reverence themselvs instead of adoreing their servants their Generals Admirals Bishops and Statesmen.”

I understand that extreme beliefs in public funded work leads to socialism, but a little of it was a good thing to such a young nation. And a bit of it now is just as worthy.

This direction, penned early in our nation, formed the great educational foundation that directly led to our prosperity as a productive nation. Like it or despise it, we are still a nation capable of a gross national product because of it.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 4, 2019 4:35 am

Socialism is where the government owns the means of production, i.e. business and capital. Provision of public services is *not* Socialism. Never has been, never will be. Fire, police, sanitation workers, water system workers, etc. are providing a public service. They are not owned by the government they are owned by the people, even of the government manages the service. Public schools, teachers, and administrators fall into the same category.

2hotel9
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 4, 2019 7:21 am

“This direction, penned early in our nation, formed the great educational foundation that directly led to our prosperity as a productive nation.” Yes, and since the late 1950s the “educational elite” have steadily undermined America’s public education system. Good job!

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 4, 2019 3:38 am

Pamela Gray – March 3, 2019 at 7:23 pm

What a bigoted thing to say.

Don’tja just luv the “troughfeeding” Democrats. They HATE the “truths” that they try to hide, and if you out their hypocrisy they immediately become irately irritated and start calling you badmouthing names such as, BIGOTED, RACIST, SEXIST, etc., etc., etc. They are so poorly misnurtured that they actually believe that ….. “Badmouthing names will break your bones, …. but sticks and stones will never harm you”.

Work paid through taxes is investment towards the nation’s well being.

That was shur cute. Shur cute of you to intentionally forget to stipulate the above as being “public works”, …… meaning roads, bridges, borders, military,

I understand that extreme beliefs in public funded work leads to socialism, but a little of it was a good thing to such a young nation. And a bit of it now is just as worthy.

And that little “bit” you claim is necessary is the “bit” that you and/or yours get, right?

“DUH”, with more than 52% of the US population receiving a government “check” of one form or another, its no wonder you want to claim that that 52% is just “a little bit”.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 4, 2019 6:13 am

FYI: I am a registered Republican, constitionalist, color blind, orientation blind, job blind, and believe in a republic form of fiscally conservative government. The comment I replied to was clearly a bigoted statement and degraded the original comment simply based on a job type.

If we want to argue against these liberal, placard carrying, uninformed groups, the least we can do is use better argument tactics than they use.

Re: the 52% of the US population receiving a government check, cite that source. It will make for an interesting conversation.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 4, 2019 6:59 am

constitutionalist…damn bug

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 4, 2019 12:50 pm

Maybe you are also clearly ”bigoted blinded”, …… meaning you subconsciously “see” bigoty in any and everything that you were nurtured as being unacceptable and dislikable?

Anyway, ……………………..

OOPS, …. sorry bout that, …… my rememberer wasn’t quite accurate, ….. but close enough to “make for an interesting conversation”, to wit:

Obamacare has pushed us over the entitlements tipping point. In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last October.

Read more @ Forbes

And ps, ….. that 2011 figure of 49.2% increased to over 52% in 2013 or 14.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 4, 2019 5:12 pm

Like Social Security payments? And the population is aging so it stands to reason that % would go up? Ok fine. End Social Security. Do you think that is a good idea? That is a program. For some it is an entitlement, for others they will never get back with interest what they put in.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 5, 2019 3:51 am

Pamela Gray, ……. GETTA CLUE, …… forcing the FEW “producers” to not only pay for their needs, but also pay for the needs of the MANY “troughfeeders” …….. is a recipe for anarchy.

As more n’ more “producers” begin to realize that ….. “Why be a producer if being a troughfeeder is more rewarding”, ……… then more n’ more will join the ranks of the “do-nothings”, ….. and thus very little to nothing gets done.

Your “life, liberty and pursuit of happiness” is in dire danger of being “cancelled” … if you cannot field a sufficient number of patriotic citizens to repel invasive “forces” attacking US Boarders.

Me thinks the “Rise and fall of the Roman Empire”…… has become the “role model” for most of the US population.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  jtom
March 3, 2019 8:43 am

+100

PaulH
Reply to  Erny72
March 2, 2019 6:21 am

I wonder, who wrote this letter for them?

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  PaulH
March 3, 2019 2:19 am

The language used makes it clear they didn’t write it themselves.

Serge Wright
March 2, 2019 2:48 am

Brainwashed kids asking for a cure for a disease that doesn’t exist. The only problem being the cure is a life sentence of permanent poverty and desperation. By the time they work out this is a big lie it will be too late. We need a Trump 2.0 to follow Trump, to keep these poeple from jumping off the cliff.

Erny72
Reply to  Serge Wright
March 2, 2019 5:22 am

Serge,
I’ll admit that I love my kids and will do what I can and then some to prevent them jumping off a cliff.
If a bunch of precocious brats want to jump off a cliff then they have my thanks for leaving fewer dole-bludgers living a life of Reilly off my tax lliability. Hopefully their ‘progressive’ parents will go along to cheer them on as they plumet to oblivion. Even fewer parasites to feed.
Of course the problem is if they adopt the typical left-tard’s attitiude of ‘my way or the highway’, they’ll be doing their best to drag the rest of us over that same cliff and that really is a worry.

vukcevic
March 2, 2019 3:12 am

One thing they can do is walk to school. Anywhere you go around London at school start/finish hours streets are clogged up by mums’ cars delivering or collecting their ‘darlings’.
The rest are swarms with the free public transport passes, so forget it if you try to get on a bus at those hours.

StephenP
Reply to  vukcevic
March 3, 2019 12:08 am

And when you ask the mums why they are driving their kids to school they say it is to avoid the danger caused by the heavy traffic, which in turn is caused by these self same mums.
I always used to enjoy the drive to work during half term weeks because the amount of traffic was substantially reduced, and got to work in half the time.

JBom
March 2, 2019 3:17 am

When their demands are not met they will start killing people to make their point.

Ha ha.

Robertfromoz
March 2, 2019 3:18 am

They say they want to start a revolution but they can’t even start a lawnmower

Donald Kasper
Reply to  Robertfromoz
March 2, 2019 3:25 am

Destroy modern civilization. Replace it with an amalgam hodege podge of cliches, slogans, bullshit, generalities, and shouting. Thinking things through is not important, it is how you fell. AOC told me so. Well, sounds like the freeloaders looking for government handouts to build a new world order are at the gates.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Donald Kasper
March 2, 2019 6:03 am

Western Civilization is already destroyed. It died in WWI, along with millions of the best and brightest Europe had to offer. After that, all the -isms rose from the ashes: Marxism, socialism, communism.

Since then, we’re just technologically advanced barbarians, ready to murder one another for pennies. It’s a long, slow, decline, just as Rome suffered, I imagine.

Where’s Hari Seldon when you need him

andy
Reply to  James Schrumpf
March 2, 2019 8:31 am

Raven, they called him.

Richard of NZ
Reply to  James Schrumpf
March 2, 2019 11:43 am

He bumped into a mule, or at least his computer model did.

I wonder if Mr. Asimov was prescient considering that the symbol of one of the major political parties in his country of origin is a mule?

James A Schrumpf
Reply to  Richard of NZ
March 2, 2019 12:23 pm

Luckily, the Second Foundation was there to adjust the model.

Robertvd
Reply to  Robertfromoz
March 2, 2019 3:51 am

Or clean up their room.

jtom
Reply to  Robertfromoz
March 2, 2019 6:51 am

Under their revolution, they wouldn’t have any lawn mowers except old fashion manual push mowers. Nothing to ‘start’. Silver lining’ or curse?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  jtom
March 2, 2019 9:04 am

“they wouldn’t have any lawn mowers except old fashion manual push mowers.”

Nope. You need industry to make those.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 2, 2019 9:54 am

Sickle.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
March 2, 2019 9:56 am

Edged with chipped flint?

John in Oz
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
March 2, 2019 5:54 pm

No metal, even from a blacksmith and manual labour (from Wiki):

A forge typically uses bituminous coal, industrial coke or charcoal as the fuel to heat metal. The designs of these forges have varied over time, but whether the fuel is coal, coke or charcoal the basic design has remained the same

Can’t have those pesky coal mines any more

2hotel9
Reply to  John in Oz
March 3, 2019 3:14 am

And can’t be making charcoal either! All that nasty smoke, don’t ya know.

Richard of NZ
Reply to  Robertfromoz
March 2, 2019 11:40 am

I doubt many of them could start a hand-mower.

TonyL
March 2, 2019 3:18 am

Oh My! This is hilarious.
“We are going to change the fate of humanity, whether you like it or not. United we will rise until we see climate justice.”

Now where have we heard this stuff before?
Yes, here we are:

Workers of the world, UNITE! Rise up and cast off your chains. Down with the Bourgeois, smash capitalism!

Karl Marx, anybody?
At least we know where they get their ideas from.

vukcevic
Reply to  TonyL
March 2, 2019 3:34 am

Not from the USA darling Alexandria Ocasio but some French hot head written 150 years ago:
Stand up, damned of the Earth
Stand up, prisoners of starvation
Reason thunders in its volcano
This is the eruption of the end.
L’Internationale

WXcycles
Reply to  vukcevic
March 2, 2019 7:34 pm

At least they had something to complain about 150 years ago … these kids? … zip!

James Schrumpf
Reply to  TonyL
March 2, 2019 6:04 am

Work sets you free, baby!

Donald Kasper
March 2, 2019 3:23 am

OMG, finally after 2000 years, the End Days, Armageddon, Rapture, Judgement Days, and coming of Christ. Since he will rule for 1000 years, let him sort it out and fix things. I mean, he is a God, and I am not, so it is his ball game now. I am going outside now to listen for the trumpets and the breaking of the scroll seals…dammit.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Donald Kasper
March 2, 2019 9:06 am

That’s as much a fantasy as CO2 Catastrophic warming.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 3, 2019 2:23 am

At least it’s a peaceful one.

Donald Kasper
March 2, 2019 3:27 am

I demand a cure for cancer now. It is our right. People are dying. Delays for the cure are not acceptable.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Donald Kasper
March 2, 2019 5:04 am

That one is actually useful, just has to be extended or reformed to emphasise the analogy to CAGW.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
March 2, 2019 6:21 am

Cancer has a “C” in it. “C” is the symbol for “Carbon”.
Therefore, cancer is caused by “Carbon Pollution”.
End “Carbon Pollution” and we end cancer.

Sadly, that probably makes sense to these kids.

Ian W
March 2, 2019 3:42 am

“Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world”

Vladimir Lenin

This is all that is happening. The propagandized generation of youth from the 1990’s are now the teachers regurgitating the same propaganda on another generation of youth.

It matters not whether it is true or not it is what they earnestly believe. There is no way that the diffuse energy from natural sources like wind and solar can power an industrial economy, there is insufficient power from these sources to replicate the wind generators, solar panels, and high tension cables, pylons and transformers and all the associated concrete.

It will not work.

“”Renewable energy ‘simply won’t work’: Top Google engineers
Windmills, solar, tidal – all a ‘false hope’, say Stanford PhDs”
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/
and more recently:
“Why Renewables Can’t Save the Planet” by Michael Shellenberger
quillette.com/2019/02/27/why-renewables-cant-save-the-planet/

It is tempting to say this is a failure of education. However, as someone once said “Let me control the text books and I will control the state.” and as Lenin said above – he has had more than one generation of youth. This is a triumph of education – ‘anthropogenic global warming’ now ‘climate’ [sic] and diffuse power generation have been successfully taught and some without engineering training completely believe it – after all it is in all the text books (aka Internet).

There is only one thing that will turn the tide in the propagandized and that is nature. But it will be as difficult to eradicate as Lysenskoism one would hope it will not lead to as many deaths.

AelfredRex
Reply to  Ian W
March 2, 2019 8:59 am

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”

― Adolf Hitler

Montee Piethon
March 2, 2019 3:42 am

I am NOT a young person.

Who will give ME climate justice?

Who will look after MY hopes and dreams?

Please, will somebody show me a list of species that have gone extinct, because of global warming/climate change?

Please, will somebody show me a list of people who have died, or are dying, because of global warming/climate change?

Young people have not been included in the local and global decision-making process. But how much money have they contributed to help solve the problem?

Have young people contributed anything to help solve the problem?

How many young people are helping to cause the problem, with their high tech iPhone/Starbucks/McDonalds lifestyles?

How many young people are driven around in gas guzzling SUV’s?

How many young people eat meat?

How many young people have pets, which increases their carbon footprint?

Young people need to learn a new slogan:

NO RIGHTS, WITHOUT RESPONSIBILITIES

That, is something that is worth marching for.

====================

How many young people know, that about 144 million people live in Russia?

How many young people know, what the average temperature is, in Russia?

Is Russia’s average temperature:

+20.0 degrees Celsius?

+2.0 degrees Celsius?

or +0.2 degrees Celsius?

When young people can answer that question, then people might start listening to them.

ozspeaksup
March 2, 2019 3:43 am

spoilt lil shits!
since when is any kid entitled to anything?
or to demand anything as a right?
damned lucky if they have a roof clothes and education
anything else is a bonus
bout time they all got a reminder of that maybe??

Ian Macdonald
March 2, 2019 4:01 am

Indoctrination is a clever tool. It allows you to get other people to promote your products such as wind turbines for free. In this respect it is considerably more cost effective than bribery.

Alex
March 2, 2019 4:02 am

Beware the ides of March

Serge Wright
March 2, 2019 4:10 am

The irony of this situation is that the children in wealthy western countries have been bainwashed into believing they are CC victims and yet they are the ones living in free and prosperous societies where their only limits of success and prosperity are the ones they place on themselves. Children living in 3rd world developing countries such as India and China have a compeltely diffierent outlook on the future and live in the hope of having such an opportunity.

It’s also interesting to note that the modern day socialist movement is entirely based on victim creation, where the perpetrators are generally politically conservative rich white heterosexual males of Christian or Judean religious beliefs. This group of pepole are even made responsible for crimes committed by their ancestors going back of hundreds of years or even thousands of years, such as in the case of the Crusades.

It’s hard to underestimate the level of hatred held by green left wing socialists towards this white skinned conservative cultural group. I can’t ever image having even 1% such hatred from myself twards another human being, but with all of our educations systems being taken over by these people, this is now what is being brainwashed into the young minds of our children. This is Nazism 2.0, but on a global scale.

Once you have a victim then you have a perpetrator.

Johann Wundersamer
March 2, 2019 4:14 am

There’s a reason why they block the streets on Fridays:

– no city would allow the busy streets and shopping malls be blocked on Saturdays.

– On Saturdays, the strikers themselves like to go shopping.

– On Sundays they like to drive to the countryside, to rivers, mountains and lakes.

There ought to be left money for that reason.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
March 2, 2019 10:18 am

The Gilets Jaunes are currently on their 16th consecutive Saturday of city centre demonstrations,many retail businesses large and small are suffering severe financial losses.

John Howe
March 2, 2019 4:23 am

Climates change, it gets hotter and then it gets cooler. CO2 makes a contribution to the warming but not much.

Kone Wone
Reply to  John Howe
March 3, 2019 3:15 pm

“Climates change, it gets hotter and then it gets cooler.”
Yes, and it’s called Summer and Winter.

fretslider
March 2, 2019 4:38 am

“For people under 18 in most countries, the only democratic right we have is to demonstrate. We don’t have representation,” said Jonas Kampus, a 17 year old student activist, from near Zurich

Until age 18 their parents represent them. Unlike these spoilled brats, their parents pay taxes.

March 2, 2019 4:51 am

We, the old, are deeply concerned about your future. Humanity believes it is currently causing the sixth mass extinction of species and the global climate system is at the brink of a catastrophic crisis. It believes wrong. The devastating impact of this belief is already felt by millions of people around the globe. Yet we are far from reaching the goals of the Paris agreement. Of course! why could we care less, when the whole agreement is based on a false narrative and world leaders know it. Climate change is simply a convenient lie, like Al Gore told you (always reverse anything a politician says).

Young people make up more than half of the global population. Your generation grew up with the illusion of a climate crisis carefully fostered to control your political opinions, and you will have to deal with it for the rest of your lives. Despite that fact, most of you are not included in the local and global decision-making process. You are the voiceless future of humanity.

You will continue to accept this injustice. Your demands for justice for all past, current and future victims of the imaginary climate crisis, will be carefully vectored into more profits for pointless renewable energy companies, and so you are rising up for nothing. Thousands of you have taken to the streets in the past weeks all around the world, carefully directed as part of a global publicity stunt that has no relationship to reality at all. By shouting louder you will make your voices heard. But no one is really listening.

You finally need to stop treating climate change as a crisis. It is the biggest threat in human history, but not because the climate is changing. But because you believe it is to the extent that you are prepared to willingly hand power and money to those who are using it to institute a freedom-less totalitarian world order on you. You should not accept the world’s decision-makers’ action that threatens your entire civilization. you should not accept a life in fear and devastation.

Because that is what is in store if you let them foist renewable energy on you. You have the right to live your dreams and hopes. Climate change has always happened. People did die, are dying and will die because of it, but not in nearly such large numbers as will die if a world order that is democratically unchallengeable takes control, with your assistance: You can and will stop this madness.

You, the young, have started to move. You are going to change the fate of humanity, whether you like it or not. United you should rise until you see an end to faux ‘climate justice’. You should demand the world’s decision-makers take responsibility and stop pretending that this is a crisis, when it’s simply a global marketing initiative for profit and political control.

You have failed us in the past. If you continue failing us in the future, you, the young people, will find change happening that is beyond your control… The youth of this world has started to move and you will not rest again. The ‘global coordination group’ of the youth-led climate cult tells you one thing.

Why don’t you listen to us, who were here before you, and know far more about how little one should trsut ones fellow man, particularly when there is money and profit and political power involved.

– An old fart that built the world that allows you to be so stupid and naive, yet still be alive.

bonbon
March 2, 2019 5:07 am

From Dec 2018 here :
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/12/shame-350-is-turning-children-into-climate-activists-by-encouraging-school-strikes/

There is a lot of good ol’ oligarchy money flowing there.

Alice in Wonderland ought to be required in all schools – the tale of the Walrus and the Carpenter should make it clear exactly what is going on.

David Crabtree
Reply to  bonbon
March 3, 2019 2:02 pm

As a pedant, I have to inform you that the Walrus and the Carpenter are not in Alice in Wonderland. Disney has much to answer for.

Kaiser Derden
March 2, 2019 5:12 am

The only proper response to such nonsense …

“You are grounded for a month with no internet access”

jtom
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
March 2, 2019 7:00 am

It would be more difficult for them to complain if you said, “Ok, we’re going to start transitioning you to the ‘carbon-free’ (sic) world you demand. I’ve disconnected Internet service, WiFi, and electrical power to your room. You are now helping save the wotld.“

jtom
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
March 2, 2019 7:03 am

They could not complain if you said, “Ok, we are going to start transitioning you to the ‘carbon-free’ (sic) world you demand. We have cust off Internet, WiFi, and electrical power to your room. You are now saving the world.”

Tom in Florida
March 2, 2019 5:13 am

My suggestion is to set up a summer camp. It would be open to all children that believe in dangerous climate change. The would be dropped off at a collection point and then hike to the camp. They must leave everything behind with their parents. They must even wear clothing made of hemp with hand woven footwear. At the camp they will construct their own shelters out of raw materials. They will have to do everything without the help of anything that uses or is made by using fossil fuels. They will be hunter gatherers in order to eat. The camp would be 6 weeks long with a tap out at 2 weeks. My guess they don’t even make it to tap out.

R2DToo
Reply to  Tom in Florida
March 2, 2019 8:56 pm

Two trips to the outhouse would end it all.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  R2DToo
March 3, 2019 2:30 am

I lived in a house that had an outhouse.

Using an outhouse is a scary and disgusting exercise. It’s even worse using one in the dead of winter, and when it’s raining. However, cleaning one out is the ultimate disgusting job ever.

They’d love the modern houses after living with an outhouse for a month.

Tom Halla
March 2, 2019 5:18 am

The Red Guards in the Cultural Revolution set a precedent for young people being used as shock troops by politicians, with consequences that the Chinese are still embarrassed to report on.
Similarly, if I recall correctly, the Taliban translates as “the Students”. Need I really say more.

bonbon
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 2, 2019 6:16 am

They were students until the CIA gave them $25 billion and MANPADS.
Now that ISIS, their post-doc graduates, is defeated another mob is being groomed, closer to home.

Tom Halla
Reply to  bonbon
March 2, 2019 6:26 am

Not quite, bonbon. The Taliban organized to overthrow the actual anti-Russian guerrillas once the Soviets had left. The hard left blamed the US for defeating the communists, so by that logic, the Stalinists would have dealt with the Salafis, so it is ultimately the US’ fault.

bonbon
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 2, 2019 7:44 am

That CIA Bush money flowed through Geneva BCCI, and Trump said Russia was right to invade Afghanistan because of these terrorists. It was polish aristocrat Brzezynski’s remake of MacKinder’s “soft underbelly” stunt. Same with Dagestan, Chechnya. The Taliban were re-created in 1994. Of course Afghanistan suffered collateral genocide.
All of this Great dirty Game produced 9/11, ISIS, the mass migrations over the Med.

The US played Britain’s Great Game, look at the result!

Trump says no more such wars, and look at the massive coup underway! Vet Gabbard is being called a Russian agent for saying exactly the same thing.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  bonbon
March 2, 2019 12:03 pm

“…That CIA Bush money flowed through Geneva BCCI, and Trump said Russia was right to invade Afghanistan because of these terrorists…”

Bush was head of the CIA for 12 months, ending in January 1977. A communist coup took-over Afghanistan in 1978. Russia invaded just days before 1980. Surely you’re joking.

Trump has been skewered for his comment. Afghanistan was in turmoil internally, but it had no effect on the USSR or outside nations. Russia wanted it to stay communist.

9/11 was the result of a madman. Osama bin Laden should have been thankful his entire life for the support that the US gave Afghan rebels in their battle vs the Soviets. Instead he @#%# on us.

bonbon
Reply to  bonbon
March 3, 2019 9:13 am

9/11 was a failed Reichstagsbrand. Predicted in January before as soon as Ashcroft got the job. The form and exact timing being unclear, but the scale and purpose very clear.
It was no joke at all. There was no way Obama would let Osama talk in front of any camera.
Shades of the Röhm putch.
Trump has pointed out the British Great Game with that comment. MacKinder’s arc of crisis, from Brzezinski, Wolfowitz and such educated criminals is suddenly visible.
Why is the US on a British leash? The House of Lords declared their little game would not survive a second Trump term.

Tom Halla
Reply to  bonbon
March 3, 2019 10:16 am

Bonbon, your tinfoil hat is loose.
As if those pesky foreigners cannot have their own motives and politics. OBL had his own political goals, which only indirectly involved the US.

Coach Springer
March 2, 2019 5:21 am

More like “We. the ‘educators'”.

vukcevic
March 2, 2019 5:29 am

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in classroom*. Children are now tyrants, they no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents.” Σωκρᾰ́της

bonbon
Reply to  vukcevic
March 2, 2019 6:10 am

The Athens Senate condemned Socrates to death or exile for “corrupting youth” – making them think. Phaedon is clear on that.

These rallying kinds are not thinking at all, they are actually following authority, from Prince Philip, Soros of Davos, all the way down to McKibben.

Marcus
March 2, 2019 5:54 am

Maybe hydro generating facilities should go on strike for a few days. Give the little brats a taste of what they are demanding..

WXcycles
Reply to  Marcus
March 2, 2019 8:03 pm

How about Mum and Dad ‘go on strike’ instead and demand their children attend school and shut the hell up about things they have no clue about. If not, lock them out of the house for 24 to 48 hours, they can poop in a hole, drink out of a bucket, no food, make a bed out of leaves, hope it doesn’t rain or snow and there are not too many mosquitoes.

Or how about the Parents go on strike from schools? Make the schools close for a week or two in the middle of term due to no students being present? Or just don’t turn up at the beginning of the next school year or term, empty the schools everywhere for a month.

Others can play the strike game.

sendergreen
March 2, 2019 6:03 am

Taking a close look at the picture of the protest event where bottom left there is a sign “SAVE OUR PLANT”, garnished with a sprig of marijuana. I don’t think there could be a better anthem for these education challenged, over entitled, recreational cannabis engorged lemmings

JOHN FINN
March 2, 2019 6:09 am

What really annoys me about the “young” is the sense of entitlement. This typifies there “woe is us” attitude

Our generation grew up with the climate crisis and we will have to deal with it for the rest of our lives.

It’s as though they are saying to the older generation ‘how dare you allow us to be born into a world which is less than perfect’. Arrogant little s**ts. Anyone in the UK who is around a decade older than me was born into a world with bombs falling all around them. Some lost the homes they lived in as well as mothers, fathers, aunts and uncles. Yet none of them complained anywhere near as much as our sad little snowflakes. What a pathetic bunch they are.

Ivor Ward
March 2, 2019 6:13 am

£50 fine to the parents for truancy in the UK. Lets get them in court and see what they say to their little darlings then.

bonbon
Reply to  Ivor Ward
March 2, 2019 8:02 am

A Crown Emissary will whisper in the Judge’s ear, and cases dismissed.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Ivor Ward
March 2, 2019 9:16 am

Let’s be realistic, Ivor. Those who showed up for classes are the ones most likely to suffer any consequences. They have outed themselves as, at best, insufficiently indoctrinated, and at worst, reactionary enemies of the socialist deep state.

Burl Henry
March 2, 2019 6:40 am

Leo Smith:

An excellent post!

Unfortunately, they truly believe the hoax that the Earth is warming due to the accumulation of CO2 and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, and that we have only a decade, or so, left to avoid global catastrophe.

As such, their actions are understandable, and completely reasonable. And they are CORRECT that the climate is warming.

However, the warming is being CAUSED by the environmentalists, with the mechanism simply being the reduction in the amount of dimming sulfur dioxide aerosol emissions into the atmosphere, primarily by reducing SO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.

There has been no warming due to the accumulation of CO2 into the atmosphere, and hence no cause for any future concerns as it increases.

The climate crisis can easily be halted, and reversed, just by judiciously re-introducing SO2 aerosols into the atmosphere. A few large volcanic eruptions would be temporarily helpful.

“We demand justice for all past, current, and future victims of the climate crisis”.

This should be from all of those pushing and supporting the greenhouse gas warming hoax!

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Burl Henry
March 2, 2019 7:02 am

No. Re-introducing SO2, aka geoengineering is a bad idea. Plus, it is doubtful SO2 emissions are decreasing that much, with places like China still ramping them up. Finally, we can’t say that we are in fact, currently warming, or if we are, whether it is a problem. We may have already started a cooling cycle, and cooling is by far the least desireable.

Burl Henry
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 2, 2019 2:39 pm

Bruce Cobb:

Re-introduction of SO2 aerosols into the atmosphere is not necessarily a bad idea, if the introduction sites are chosen so that prevailing winds carry their aerosols away from populated areas, etc.

China is no longer ramping up its SO2 emissions, but is actively decreasing them, which was the cause of the 2014-2016 El Nino. Between 2014 and 2016 they reduced their SO2 emissions by at least 29 Million tons, and are continuing to do so (possibly the cause of the scorching temperatures in Australia and NZ this year)

See “https://www.earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/91270/sulfur-dioxide-emissions-fall-in-china-rise-in-india

A moderate amount of cooling would be highly desirable, since our current average global temperatures are now equivalent to those of prior El Ninos, since around 2000. prior to around 2000.

WXcycles
Reply to  Burl Henry
March 2, 2019 8:22 pm

” … (possibly the cause of the scorching temperatures in Australia and NZ this year) … ”

As soon as you push that line your argument is in the toilet. Except your claims about el-ninos “around 2000” (i.e. 1998 was the only one) is even more delusional and thoroughly unsubstanciated.

Burl Henry
Reply to  WXcycles
March 3, 2019 7:17 am

WXcycles:

“as soon as you push that line, your argument is in the toilet”

?? I was not pushing that line, merely speculating that since China is in the process of reducing its SO2 emissions, the cleaner air in that part of the world will cause temperatures to rise, possibly affecting Australia and NZ.

My comments about El Ninos prior to, and after 2000 is based upon an analysis which I have done. I examined the average anomalous global temperatures during all El Ninos since 1850, and compared those temperatures with those of the 12 months prior to the start of the El Ninos. Up until 2000, the El Nino temperatures (with very few exceptions) were always higher than those of the prior 12 months. After 2000 (except for the very strong 2014-2016 El Nino) the temperatures have been identical.

R Shearer
Reply to  Burl Henry
March 2, 2019 12:02 pm

Sulfur in transportation fuels, gasoline, diesel, marine fuels oils and especially jet fuel has been trending downward for decades for environmental reasons. Jet fuel is down by ~an order of magnitude and see little reason why it should be. It would be relatively easy to reverse the trend in jet fuel.

StephenP
Reply to  R Shearer
March 3, 2019 12:28 am

A side effect of reducing SO2 released into the atmosphere is the effect on sulphur levels in farmed soils.
Sulphur is leached from soils almost as easily as nitrogen.
Sulphur now has to be included in fertilisers to make up the deficiency.

2hotel9
March 2, 2019 6:42 am

Be sure they all sign the petitions to insure they can be punished for truancy.

Jim Traynor
March 2, 2019 7:18 am

History is littered with tyrants who rise to power by manipulating the untested minds of young people. The results are dimwits, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who pass their intellectual laziness on to the next generation. These children could be protesting real pollution and the harm it creates. Yet, the tyrants won’t gain power from that. Truly sad.

Gunga Din
March 2, 2019 7:22 am

Climate is cyclic and the cycles are longer than these poor kids young lives.
It seems that a few loud kids protesting and getting headlines is also cyclic.
Anybody remember the 60’s?

StephenP
Reply to  Gunga Din
March 3, 2019 12:41 am

Over the past 55 years the young have been protesting:
Parents and their discipline
Why can’t I use the car
Why must I be back home by 10 pm
Wearing academic gowns in Cambridge after dark
The Greek colonels
The Vietnam War
Save the whale
Ban the bomb
Greenham Common
Global cooling
Nuclear power, no thanks
Chilean generals
Argentine generals
Acid rain
Apartheid
Cape apples
Global warming
City fat cats
The capitalist system
Fossil fuel
Etc
Etc

Rik Gheysens
March 2, 2019 7:24 am

Unfortunately, the Guardian article gives no specific arguments.

* Goals of the Paris agreement: “The Paris Agreement central aim is to strengthen the global response to the threat of climate change by keeping a global temperature rise this century well below 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase even further to 1.5 degrees Celsius.” I think these aims have become obsolete.
Facts: rise of global temperature since 1900: + 1 degree C.
Preview: + 1.5 degree C by 2040; If global temperature increase would speed up, + 1,5 degree C by 2030.

CO2 emission: Worldwide, fossil-fuel use is projected to pump 2.7 percent more CO2 into the air in 2018 than in 2017. (https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/carbon-dioxide-emissions-will-hit-record-high-globally-2018)

Global Mean Sea Level Change: + 8 cm since 1990.
Preview by 2100: from + 26 cm (at current rate) to + 77 cm.
All nuclear plants near the sea have to be removed immediately. (Fukushima!)

Plastics in oceans: at this rate, plastic could outweigh fish in the oceean by 2050.

Other problems such as biodiversity have major consequences for us all.

Yes, the young have the full right to occupy the streets. WUWT has the task to check constantly the previous figures in order to prevent further disasters.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Rik Gheysens
March 2, 2019 9:23 am

“Facts: rise of global temperature since 1900: + 1 degree C.”

There is no global temperature. Your “fact” is meaningless.

A C Osborn
Reply to  Rik Gheysens
March 2, 2019 1:29 pm

Your so called “facts” are anything but.
0.6C of your 1.0C rise since 1900 are due to “Adjustments” to the data as per NASA Menne etal 2009.
+8 cm sea level rise since 1990 due to adjustments to the data, actual values from tide gauges according to NASA is 5cm.
CO2 being pumped inti the Atmosphere is good as it is Plant Food.

jtom
March 2, 2019 7:33 am

Oh, just give them what they want. Tell them society needs time to transition to a ‘new workd’, but they can start today. Then proceed to take away everything they have that requires the use of fossil fuels or their derivatives, reminding them that they are making the sacrifices they believe are necessary to save the world. The protest would be short-lived if for no other reason than they could no longer communicate with each other.

Same thing with Socialism. Tell them the best way to move to such a system is to start in schools and transition to it. Everyone’s grade will be based on what everyone does. Everyone will receive the same grade, based on the average grade for the class. When their grades drop to levels that would deny them a good future, they would understand why Socialism fails. Tell the teachers that if they engage in grade inflation, they, too, will be transitioned to Socialism, with each person receiving the same salary, from the custodians, cafeteria workers and crossing guards to the principal.

2hotel9
Reply to  jtom
March 2, 2019 7:47 am

That is a plan I have advocated for a very long time and applied to all types of “dogooderism”.

Bruce Cobb
March 2, 2019 7:39 am

Give all the little climate tardos and tardettes Fs, and tell them it will go on their permanent record. See if that smartens the little bastids up.

Wharfplank
March 2, 2019 8:10 am

If you want to see how this all ends just look to California. Ultimately there will be no change in CO2 but there will be two changes for certain…less reliability and 1000/month energy bill.

Terry Harvey
March 2, 2019 8:14 am

“ I’ll thcream and thcream until I’m thick”. That used to work for Violet Elizabeth Bott.

Kone Wone
Reply to  Terry Harvey
March 3, 2019 3:32 pm

“ I’ll thcream and thcream until I’m thick”.
Well, the success of that tactic is on display with these young nitwits.

Petit_Barde
March 2, 2019 8:15 am

“We, the brainwashed”

Fixed.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Petit_Barde
March 2, 2019 1:14 pm

Or “We, the young and dumb”

Joel O’Bryan
March 2, 2019 8:23 am

In 1971, the 26th Amendment pushed the US voting age down to 18 from the 21 it had been at for a century.
In 1968 the Democrats in Congress passed and LBJ signed a gun control act that placed an 18 age limit on buying any gun, and 21 age limit on handguns.
In the 1980’s a strong push by MADD at the federal level forced all 50 states and territories to increase the drinking age to 21 from 18 by 1986.
Every state that allows it sets a 21 age limit on casino style gambling.
Many states are now considering moving the smoking age to 21 (age to buy any tobacco or vaporizer liquid) .
Some states are now moving the gun buying age to 21 for even hunting rifles and shotguns.

But now we hear of Democrats wanting to push the voting age down to 16.

So 18 is too immature to drink, smoke, buy a gun, or gamble, yet Democrats want to push voting to 16?

There is no more clear example than this of how Democrats simply want more and more power to tell people how to live their lives while destroying everything that has made the USA the greatest country in the world.
And they’ll use immature children as their tools if it helps them in that agenda.

Democrats are literally insane.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 2, 2019 2:15 pm

Because at 16 your head is still filled with mush and you still live at mommy’s house.

drednicolson
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 3, 2019 3:36 am

Insidious more than insane.

In a mobocracy, the biggest mob wins and the ulterior motive behind almost every push to expand voting rights has been to grow the mob.

David S
March 2, 2019 8:49 am

Wow a whole generation of Don Quixotes!

Johann Wundersamer
March 2, 2019 8:51 am

CO2 makes a contribution to the cooling.

hunter
March 2, 2019 9:10 am

Climate change, as the consensus pushes it, is in fact man-made:
Like any destructive delusional obsession.
Like anorexia or paranoia are man-made.

TRM
March 2, 2019 9:12 am

Dear kids, You have been lied to and used as pawns in a political game. I hope that when you realise this you get angry at those who lied to you and never trust them again. Feel free to point out to them that they were wrong.

I also hope you become way more suspicious of all authorities telling you certainties.

James Clarke
March 2, 2019 9:24 am

Since they are demanding justice for a hypothetical injustice, I suggest we offer them hypothetical remediation.

Gordon Dressler
March 2, 2019 10:29 am

Open Letter To the Student Climate Change Strikers

We, the mature and informed, take note of your specific claims of:
— the sixth mass extinction of species,
— the brink of a catastrophic crisis,
— the climate crisis that you will have to deal with the rest of your lives,
— devastating impacts (of climate change) are already felt by millions of people around the globe
— past, current and future victims of the climate crisis, and
— the climate crisis is the biggest threat in human history, and the world’s decision-makers’ inaction that threatens our entire civilisation (sic).

With our life experience and knowledge of science, logic and politics gained over living more than 20 years on this Earth, we respectfully ask this of you:
Do you have any objective evidence (scientific-, economic-, societal-, or historical-based)—aka, facts—that you can present to us to support any one of your above claims?

We are waiting . . . but remember, time is critical for you to get back to us on this matter!

Stephen W
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 2, 2019 3:01 pm

Don’t need facts, just faith in “the science” and “the scientists”.

Art
March 2, 2019 10:35 am

Aristotle said if first – “Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.”

Mobilization of youth is a common and effective tactic of those who would oppress. Sadly it’s very effective and the young seldom realize how they’ve been duped until middle age (if at all) and by then the damage is done.

These kids are the most dependant on fossil fuel of any generation in all of history. They have never known anything else other than the blessings of fossil fuels They are all passionate environmentalists while at the same time they’re the most isolated and protected from the environment that it is possible to be. They have no idea what they’re demanding.

The maxim, “Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it” has never been more appropriate.

Michael in Dublin
March 2, 2019 10:41 am

Fifty years ago I discovered how many students were what the Irish call Eejits. Despite the explosion of knowledge and the easy availability of so much information, the number of students who deserve the designation Eejit seems to have multiplied exponentially since then.

Ron Tuohimaa
March 2, 2019 11:05 am

The kids here are getting too much credit and way too much blame. Indoctrination takes an indoctrinator – children have many faults, but they are learned behaviors. These come from educational institutions at every level and from every parent that can’t be bothered to research truth and honesty while letting their kids become propagandized by self-aggrandized, self-serving educators.

Ernie76
March 2, 2019 11:31 am

This group sounds like another variation of the many radical “Students for fill-in-the-blank” groups that have been around since the 60’s. They claim some noble cause, but under the covers it is a radical Marxist group that uses intimidation tactics. The SDS from the 60’s, with their Weather Underground off-shoot, started bombings. Reminds me of the friends of the Obamas…Bill Ayers‎ & ‎Bernadine Dohrn‎.

snikdad
March 2, 2019 12:01 pm

‘ We are the voiceless future of humanity.’
Well then, shut up!

March 2, 2019 12:04 pm

That letter — what a piece of crap !

The kids are extremely comfortable, compared to the grandiose, alarming language used in the letter.

Please teach our kids what hypocrites they are being led to be.

It’s more than disgusting — it’s sickening how we are allowing child minds to be eroded.

Kevin R.
March 2, 2019 12:20 pm

If they get their way the lucky ones that survive the total collapse of the economy will have wonderful careers pulling plows.

Reply to  Kevin R.
March 3, 2019 9:53 am

Or being sex toys for the elites, bluntly.
Those toys will be fed, to keep them plump – until they are too old.
Say about their twentieth year.
Then – to the fields for the rest of your lives, which will, once again, be ‘nasty, brutish and short’!

Auto – aware that the indoctrinated will mot likely not listen.

Chris Hanley
March 2, 2019 1:11 pm

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers”.
― Socrates.

Tim Gorman
March 2, 2019 1:27 pm

Far too many adults younger than 60 today plus their children are what I call “citified”. They have no idea how anything works. If the car doesn’t work, call someone to fix it. If the plumbing doesn’t work, call someone to fix it. If the lights go out, call someone to check the fuse box. Hire someone to mow your lawn. Hire someone to paint your house.

They’ve never had to fix the wiring in the barn where the mouse ate into it using a candle or lantern. They’ve never had to crank a tractor to start it because the battery went dead. Change the oil in the motor? Didn’t know it had any oil in it! They’ve never had to stand knee deep in cow guts in order to get their hamburger. Most of them have probably never spent a week in the rain at an outdoor camp.

If these people had ever spent *any* time uncomfortable or having to do dirty, smelly things in order to survive they would be a lot less whiny about the climate!

whiten
March 2, 2019 1:27 pm

Oh, well.

The real big real catastrophic crisis that humanity will face at some point,
it will be when it realizes clearly, that there is no enough straight-jackets to go around, as per means of need and safety. 🙂

Biggy biggy problemo…
No enough padded cells either…. 🙂
cheers

Pamela Gray
March 2, 2019 2:16 pm

What a fun little Fitler group, blaming everything they can think of on those of us who work to put roofs over their ungrateful little heads, food in their demanding little tummies, and clothes on their lazy little backsides.

I wonder when they will get little uniforms with insignia on the sleeves?

AndyE
March 2, 2019 2:19 pm

“Global coordination group” they claim to be. Well, they won’t be joined by Chinese, Indian, Japanese, African, Asian children. Only the decadent western nations will allow this sort of nonsense. The world’s future will be decided in the developing world. Western civilisation has had its time.

Matthew R Epp
March 2, 2019 2:19 pm

“We the Young”

Meaning – the inexperienced, who have not analyzed or actually researched the “facts” told to us that we espouse and regurgitate, and not being taught or encouraged to participate and practice critical thinking skills to arrive at our own conclusions of the facts told to us, are now demanding that “the Old” be punished and condemned for providing us with abundant food, shelter, clothing and leisure time which we use to participate in pleasure at the expense of industry, and further that demand that the “Govt” continue to provide us with said leisure lifestyle without requirement of effort or sacrifice from “We the Young” while we continue in our ignorant self righteousness to condemn all those older and less caring than we.
Baaaaa-baaaaaaa-baaaaaaa

Joey
March 2, 2019 2:21 pm

“We the brainwashed”….is more accurate. The climate hacks operate a lot like Scientology.

jollygreenwatchman
March 2, 2019 3:22 pm

“… and of course, the squirrels”? https://youtu.be/-esLrrqGKkE

WXcycles
March 2, 2019 5:11 pm

Kid’s can’t legally vote nor drink until 18, can’t legally have sex until 16, but can have access to internet and smartphone at aged 4.

The above article presents evidence of why there needs to be legal restriction on unsupervised child usage of the internet without legal restrictions. They are being brainwashed, manipulated and damaged by devious adults.

Apparently teachers can’t be trusted to be responsible (and seem to be the main culprits actually), so they’ll have to be made legally responsible for any children using the internet under their supervision. It’s not acceptable that children end up thoroughly delusional and troubled due to bad parents and exceptionally bad teachers, and due to terrible governance.

The internet clearly damages many young easily impressed minds that are exposed to it, and extraordinarily slimy and devious adults are taking advantage of the ability to brainwash children rapidly, and are seriously harming their minds and futures, and are doing it willfully for mere political objectives.

This is really quite abhorrent.

My estimation of the value and qualities of ‘teachers’ plummets more and more each year, the schools are not places of basic education that they once were, they’ve clearly morphed into a bizarre political circus, and education of children in proper ways is apparently not their raison-detre. Political corruption of education and undermining children’s minds seems to be their underlying mission, at this point.

And who is producing these ‘teachers’? It all points back to ‘Teachers Colleges’ where they get their diplomas. This is where the cancer within education institutions has metastasized from. Yet more rubbish warped ‘professors’ and lecturers providing indoctrination courses, rather than an education within western Universities.

That’s where the really sick and slimy behavior resides with regard to what is occurring to children, otherwise the ‘teachers’ would never have facilitated and incited this sort of rubbish to get established in schools.

I used to think journalists were real go-along-to-get-along scumbags but these ‘teachers’ are even worse.

FAKE EDUCATION

Pamela Gray
Reply to  WXcycles
March 2, 2019 5:52 pm

Bull*hit. I work my butt off teaching and am constantly pushing kids to higher standards, likely higher than you faced when you were in high school. Right now I am teaching argumentative writing tactics to high school seniors who have delayed learning issues. They must present both sides of an issue with at least 40/60 reporting. Anything more lopsided is usually filled with opinion and light on verifiable facts. Something so abhorrent to me that I have been known to wad up such papers and throw them in the garbage. So let’s have at it. Write something you think is your best effort on teachers. I dare you. My thinking is that my students can run circles around your product.

I am so sick and tired of endless, baseless derogatory statements made to appear like facts but reek of opinion regarding teachers. Sick of it!

WXcycles
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 2, 2019 6:18 pm

You maybe doing the job Pamela, but from what you say in your frustration above, you also seem to not want to not face-up to what’s occurring. The outcomes are what they are.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  WXcycles
March 2, 2019 6:21 pm

Opinion without facts as to the cause.

F.

WXcycles
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 2, 2019 6:34 pm

As is yours.

WXcycles
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 2, 2019 6:55 pm

Pamela Gray
March 2, 2019 at 2:16 pm
What a fun little Fitler group, blaming everything they can think of on those of us who work to put roofs over their ungrateful little heads, food in their demanding little tummies, and clothes on their lazy little backsides. I wonder when they will get little uniforms with insignia on the sleeves?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/02/we-the-young-open-letter-from-the-student-climate-change-strikers/#comment-2645010

By which you indicate that you perceive that a very serious problem exists and is getting worse, right?

OK then.

Instead of working yourself into a Gordian-Knot while mentally redlining on points within my comment which referred to the role of teachers (among several other things you seem been blinded to due to your losing-it re teachers), why don’t you write a cogent ‘product’, which corrects the record according to your experiences and views, and submit it to Anthony to be published, so that the mitigating circumstances to this general festering topic can be aired/discussed/debated in the usual way, if you so strongly disagree, and believe there’s another side to it all and teachers are not to be held accountable or responsible for it?

I’d like to read it, I’m sure many others would too.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 2, 2019 7:49 pm

Your’s was the opinion piece without facts. Do your own damn homework.

WXcycles
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 2, 2019 8:04 pm

Then quit your whining.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 2, 2019 8:26 pm

When commentators spout off about what is causing this or that with nothing but vitriol to back it up, you are no better than the unthinking students the thread is about. Vigorously pointing out such off-the-rails comments like yours is standard fair game in debate. However it appears I may have wasted my stern reply on you. Continue to be as you were if you like or improve with something more cogent.

WXcycles
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 2, 2019 8:42 pm

This …

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/02/we-the-young-open-letter-from-the-student-climate-change-strikers/#comment-2645211

… was a more than fair challenge to you to put-up or shut-up.

You’ve done neither.

2hotel9
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 3, 2019 3:13 am

Really? I see high school grads who can not do basic math or understand simple written instructions on a regular basis. Not just teenagers, we get people in their 30s who still can’t do these basic things. Can’t run a cash drawer. Can’t read a tape measure. Can’t follow directions or use a map. They can text a bunch of gibberish, bet your ass they can. Education in America has been turning out defective product for decades. Are there people getting decent educations in spite of our screwed up school system? Of course. Are there teachers doing a good job? Of course. Problem is we have been steadily sinking for a long time. When education takes a back seat to diversity, self esteem and social justice we all lose.

Pamrla Gray
Reply to  2hotel9
March 3, 2019 7:08 am

For a reasoned perspective of math instruction through the decades, this grey paper provides thoughtful input and cited research.

http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/EMAT7050/HistoryWeggener.html

My great grandmother was a high school principal trained in East Coast schools before coming out West on her own to help change the dated system of public education still in place here. As a result, there were many old textbooks in our home library that stretched from the first decades of the last century clear through to post “new math” teaching paradigms, and clearly demonstrate what the above author speaks of. The breadth and depth of Algebra, now taught in two sections and devoid of shortcuts such as cross multiplying, is far and away more advanced then it was back in the day. Sorry to disappoint but I see no backward trend in math concepts being taught in today’s schools. That said, I do see struggling students in the low to average math ability range. But through changes in pedagogical approaches, these students can achieve better algebraic thinking. I know it because I’ve witnessed it.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Pamrla Gray
March 3, 2019 7:14 am

Oops. What happened to my name? My fingers sometime do not tap the key I want. That is part of West Nile after-affects I have to contend with now.

2hotel9
Reply to  Pamrla Gray
March 3, 2019 7:45 am

So you refuse to accept what people out here in the actual world see and experience every day. So be it. Be sure to double check your change at the store and stop complaining when your order from a business is completely wrong. Your vaunted educational system turned out those stellar employees.

Oh, and pray to God your doctor is over 50, perhaps they will have some clue and enough basic motivation to actually do the job.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Pamrla Gray
March 3, 2019 8:17 am

I am in the actual world. And it is true that observation is the first step in classic scientific methods. But to end your personal research with anecdotal evidence, as you just did, and to put it out here as a robust conclusion, is what those kids with their placards are doing.

Folks, this is why I consider opinion writing low hanging fruit. Persuasive writing is only one twig up from that. Well cited argumentative writing is getting closer to the top. However, well-critiqued research, that uses gold standard methods and replication under different parameters to show robustness, is where the real meat is and should be the trunk that informs all such debate. Otherwise either side of an issue, when argued based on anecdotal evidence interpreted through biased beliefs, is worse than snake oil and the hawkers that tried to sell it.

We have no power to change these young minds if we are only up to an adult version of making equally biased comments in opposition to theirs (unless hyperbole is the vehicle of choice, then all bets are off).

2hotel9
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 4, 2019 7:27 am

“anecdotal” Just another word for reality. Out here in the actual word we can all see the results of your progressive education jihad, and they ain’t pretty.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Pamrla Gray
March 3, 2019 10:02 am

Your paper totally ignores the need to master basic number theory before advancing. And I am talking about how to do basic things like add, subtract, divide, and multiply. Learning he multiplication tables is a *necessity*. From that flows the ability to judge if answers to things like word problems, physics problems, etc. make any sense whatsoever.

I used to tutor math in one of the local middle schools. Inevitably, those needing tutoring were never taught the basics of adding, subtracting, dividing, and multiplying. They had no idea what multiplication tables were. They were calculator dependent, even after progressing through Common Core.

These are things that must be learned *by rote repetition* if they are to form a basis from which to learn more advanced concepts. If you can’t square a number (i.e. multiply it by itself) then how does the concept of x**2 ever make any sense?

And Common Core math has pushed learning the “rote” basics even further away from students. When they don’t have a calculator handy they are lost. And this carries on through college. I have watched the 1st semester and 1st year dropout rate at our local engineering universities drop precipitously over the past 20 years. How do you make sense of a parabola or hyperbola when squaring or cubing a number doesn’t come automatically from memory? Without this basic, automatic knowledge, calculus becomes even more difficult to master. So does probability, physics, chemistry, statistics, etc. How do you understand integrating a curve between two limits if you can’t do the multiplication and subtraction in your head first and on the calculator second? If the equation x**2 + x + 1 integrated between 1 and 10 can’t be done in your head and you need a calculator to do the basic math you’ll lose the understanding of the integration pretty quickly.

Yet the document you reference mentions none of this.

2hotel9
Reply to  Tim Gorman
March 4, 2019 7:16 am

Oop! You have done it now! Calling for education to use what has always worked instead of some”new” math method that turns out students who can’t do basic math. Pamela is going to be very cross with you!

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Pamrla Gray
March 3, 2019 10:48 am

Brain imaging says otherwise about rote learning. Rote learning has little to do with number theory when brains are doing math. For example, learning math facts by sorting visual arrays that match symbolic equations is far better than verbal flash card memorization. The former enhances math brain centers dealing with number sense fluency while the latter stores the information in visual and auditory language communication centers that are seldom used when engaged in math tasks. I refer readers to the following:

http://www.normalesup.org/~mamalric/publications/Amalric_Dehaene_Neuroimage2019.pdf

https://suchow.io/assets/cognition/feigenson2004number.pdf

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rstb.2016.0515

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Pamrla Gray
March 4, 2019 8:14 am

“Brain imaging says otherwise about rote learning. Rote learning has little to do with number theory when brains are doing math.”

Number theory is *not* just where on a line the numbers lie. If you don’t understand the basic relationships between the numbers, i.e. add/subtract/multiply/divide, you will be forever handicapped in learning anything more advanced.

“For example, learning math facts by sorting visual arrays that match symbolic equations is far better than verbal flash card memorization. ”

Sorting visual arrays, even in your mind, is SLOW and gets in the way. It actually can hide the forest because of the trees. Sorting 9 arrays of 9 in order to figure out the answer of 81 gives you no more insight into x**2 than just knowing 9×9=81. If you must learn visual sorting of this sort then learn it *after* you know the basic multiplication tables! Plotting the equation x**2 + x +1 on graph paper if you actually know the multiplication tables is far faster and less distracting than if you have to run through some kind of visualization of a matrix of arrays in order to figure out each value of the equation for each x being plotted. It lets you focus on what the graph is actually showing instead of focusing on doing mind tricks as you plot each number.

“The former enhances math brain centers dealing with number sense fluency while the latter stores the information in visual and auditory language communication centers that are seldom used when engaged in math tasks.”

And I suppose that learning how to manipulate arrays of matrices is not stored in your visual language communication centers? Remember, *YOU* used the term “visual arrays”, not me. Auditory language communication centers are only used to express the answer after you know it, they don’t determine the answer.

Every year when I was tutoring I saw an increasing number of children who were calculator dependent. They didn’t even have the basic skills to immediately know if what the calculator was showing was reasonable or not. They had no idea if they hit a wrong key or not. The calculator was always right. That’s because they totally lack in knowing that 9×9=81 off the top of their head. And it’s getting worse, not better. The kids in AP Calculus that do well are the ones that can tell you immediately what 9×9 is or 12×12. They don’t have to shuffle a bunch of stuff around in their heads to figure it out. It lets them concentrate on the more advanced concepts instead of getting bogged down in mind games to accomplish the simple stuff!

This is one big reason why it’s harder and harder to interest kids in STEM. If they don’t have the math skills to balance a chemical equation *quickly* or to quickly calculate how many moles of an element they have the whole subject soon loses its attractiveness. Same with the other subjects.

William
March 2, 2019 5:23 pm

There is a reason that 18 and 19 year olds are the preferred draftees in wars.
They are young and strong enough to carry their weapons, and stupid enough to believe what they are told.
So now we have a new war, and the cannon fodder is pouring out onto the streets.
What could possibly go wrong?

ResourceGuy
Reply to  William
March 3, 2019 7:44 am

+10

Stan Sexton
March 2, 2019 7:34 pm

Climate Change is just a ruse to hide the real threat to humanity – Islam.

It doesn't add up...
March 3, 2019 5:22 am

Their teachers should be prosecuted for child abuse. This is of course merely the left wing teachers using their pupils as a mouthpiece.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  It doesn't add up...
March 3, 2019 9:44 am

And journalists/reporters/media get a pass from you? What groups of professionals do you think have greater affect on youth and their ever-present back pocket phone, teachers or media?

There are two things I would say to parents left, right, middle, and way out there, that probably comes from my own personal bias:

1. Keep home media (tv and computers) out of non-adult bedrooms.
2. Keep cell-phones with Internet privilege for adults only.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38302/462-financial-journalists-were-asked-their-ashe-schow

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Pamela Gray
March 3, 2019 9:49 am

Forgot the most important one! Jail every Hollywood whatever for being just…just…stupid!

Yeh. I get it. It feels SOOO good to just spew!

E J Zuiderwijk
March 3, 2019 6:19 am

We the old are telling you the young: you have been told fairy tales and you believe them. Grow up.

ResourceGuy
March 3, 2019 7:42 am

We, the other young at heart, believe in fact checking in place of climate policy crusades and advocacy schemes. We’ve seen enough strawman arguments and taunts against skeptical views to be wary. We, the young at heart, have also seen more than our share of propaganda over the years and are tired of the global warming con jobs.

jane hafker
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 9, 2019 2:21 pm

ok, then you of course study the glacier activity, and the changing altered flow patterns of all of our seas recently? Checked the growing desertification charts, yearly increase of the lethal 2 celcius uptake; and have come to the hideous understanding of just how the growing Earth population will slowly start surviving on the NEW Communist nation’s dog meat trade and its demonic horrors involved? That XXX horror movie spreading now to Africa also? Dogs are so plentiful and cost efficient if “processed” the Chinese style? You have noted the mass extinction of species, including bees we must have to sustain agriculture worldwide? The beyond massive floating piles of waste accumulating in the middle of the pacific? It goes on almost forever, so you spend so much time researching, no? I applaud that you still see nothing to worry about. Oh, yeah, we are also OUT OF ANY PLACE ON EARTH TO PUT OUR HUMAN GARBAGE WASTE. China is cutting off the land dump business I see. The piles everywhere now reach almost to the sky. The Dying Earth is what it is. It is simply DYING. (ps, I’m probably as Right Wing as they get. I also have a brain and it works.)

Colin
March 3, 2019 8:16 pm

We the naive and easily lead (brainwashed).

jane hafker
March 9, 2019 2:03 pm

The madness of what is happening at such an exponentially increasing rate of natural disasters–or. like the good ol Bible calls it, “like birth pangs” closer and closer–will lead to very bad political changes. VERY. Those stuck here with almost NO solutions at present will of course decide only a Socially Just Marxist system will bring about the Utopian changes of the day dreamers. Hey, good luck on that. What faces the Earth is global CHINESE STYLE COMMUNISM, growing every so popular in the USA, crazy as it is, and with that comes the ultimate Chinese food problem solution–the DOG MEAT TRADE. And other horrors. And therein lies the future of the world unless at least 8-1/2 billion begin to fight it with everything they have. But so far only about a few million of the 8 billion ever make a peep. Good luck guys. And I’m to the right of Attila the Hun, btw. The ignorance of how BAD the physical health of the Earth is, and what faces what is left of the poor 4 legs as the planet gets more crowded and HUNGRIER, and how I don’t have any answers at all myself, it just depresses the hell out of me. Oh, wait. Yeah. Even so, would you PLEASE COME QUICKLY, LORD JESUS? PLEASE?

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