AOC says America should lead the world

In committing national economic suicide and sending living standards back to 19th century

Paul Driessen

29-year old ex-bartender and freshman U.S. Representative (D-NY) Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez received thunderous environmentalist and media acclaim when she introduced her Green New Deal resolution in the House and Ed Markey (D-MA) submitted it in the Senate. It was quickly endorsed or cosponsored by scores of House and Senate Dems, including many who want to run against President Trump in 2020.

But within days the GND was subjected to rigorous analysis (and ridicule) by energy experts, President Trump, Republicans, conservative pundits and even some Democrats. Their disdain is well-founded.

Asserting yet again that “manmade climate change” poses an “existential threat” to people and planet – with only a dozen years before total disaster strikes – the Green New Deal demands that the United States convert to 100% “renewable” energy within ten years. It also proclaims an equally urgent need to abandon free enterprise capitalism in favor of 100% socialist economic and “social justice” policies.

In the energy arena, AOC’s GND requires that fossil fuels, nuclear power and even waste-to-energy and large-scale hydroelectric facilities be eliminated from the US energy mix. Coal, oil and natural gas leasing and development on federally controlled Western lands would be banned, as would exports of those fuels.

Internal combustion cars, trucks, buses, trains and boats would be replaced with electric versions, or eradicated. Airplanes would be replaced by high-speed rail. And every house and building in America would be gutted, rebuilt or retrofitted with “state of the art efficiency” technologies. That’s for starters.

The original “draft” resolution (since replaced on AOC’s website) even called for getting rid of “farting cows” – to prevent methane from increasing above its current minuscule 0.00017% of the atmosphere. So “bugs not beef” in our diets – and no more cheese, milk, yogurt or Baskin Robbins.

In the “social justice and fairness” arena, the Cortez-Markey GND provides that every American would get government-guaranteed jobs, with “family-sustaining” wages and pensions; free college or trade school; “healthy organic” food; “safe, affordable, adequate” and energy-efficient homes; and support for ethnic and economic “communities” that “historically” were harmed “first and most” by “dirty energy.”

Saturday Night Live could not have crafted a better parody of energy, economic and scientific reality.

But Ms. Cortez is determined to have her GND brought up for a vote in the House, where Speaker Pelosi (D-CA) worries about the spectacle that would ensue. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is equally determined to have a vote. Mr. Markey is outraged; he claims Republicans just want to sow discord within the Democratic party, portray Dems as favoring extremist policies and sabotage the plan.

Meanwhile, Senator Bob Menendez (D-NJ) threatened to call police on a reporter who was “harassing” him merely by asking for his views about the Green New Deal.

Ms. Cortez has no such qualms. When asked whether implementing her GND would require “massive government intervention,” she replied: “It does. Yeah. I have no problem saying that.” Moreover, she added, we shouldn’t point fingers and say China or India or Russia isn’t doing anything like this. We shouldn’t “hold ourselves to a lower bar.” We should “choose to lead” the world in this transition.

Lead the world in economic suicide, environmental degradation, plummeting living standards, shorter life spans and societal upheaval would be a more accurate description of her GND.

But at least Democrats and environmentalists have now made clear what they will do to America’s energy, economy, jobs, transportation, infrastructure and society if they regain control of the House, Senate, White House, Deep State and courts.

What they are not doing, discussing or even thinking about is how they intend to get achieve their energy-climate-socialist nirvana … how many trillions of dollars it would cost … how many millions of good jobs would be eliminated before their promised job-creation programs theoretically kick in … and exactly how they plan to deal with the enormous human and environmental impacts.

AOC says don’t worry about the price tag. Just tax the rich more and borrow trillions more. Whether the cost is $1 trillion per year or $40 to $100 trillion in total, that is an ignorant, cavalier response. Either way, she must provide the numbers, calculations and wherewithal – transparently and with full debate.

But on environmental matters, Ms. Cortez and her cosponsors have no clue what they are talking about.

America has over a century of coal, oil and natural gas that we should use. We have vast quantities of limestone, copper, iron, and rare earth and other strategic metals that would be essential for the wind turbines, solar panels, biofuel operations, massive backup battery arrays, and thousands of miles of new electricity transmission lines that their Green New Deal envisions. Is there a snowball’s chance in Hell that they would open highly mineralized Western and Alaskan lands for exploration and mining?

Their intransigence on those resources means giving up bonuses, rents, royalties, taxes and millions of high-paying jobs. Billions of dollars in revenues to government will be replaced by billions of dollars in subsidies from government. America won’t even be able to manufacture GND energy systems because we will not have either the reliable, affordable fuels to operate factories nor the necessary raw materials.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world will continue to use fossil fuels, emit greenhouse gases, surge ahead of us economically – and sell us trillions of dollars of Green New Deal energy systems. Those that come from China might even have grid-hacker-friendly portals built right into their motherboards.

Shuttering nuclear and hydro power plants – and converting our transportation and shipping systems from gasoline and diesel – would mean the USA will need twice as much electricity as it generates today. Closing waste-to-energy facilities would add to those demands – and to landfill requirements.

Energy journalist Ron Bailey estimates that the GND would require installing some 154,000 offshore wind turbines, 335,000 onshore wind turbines, 75 million residential photovoltaic systems, 2.75 million commercial solar systems, and 46,000 utility-scale solar facilities sprawling across millions of acres. My guess is that it would require a lot more than that – plus millions of Tesla-style battery arrays.

Manufacturing and installing all those units … and the transmission lines to connect them … would require removing hundreds of billions of tons of rock, to reach and extract tens of billions of tons of ores, to create billions of tons of metals, concrete and other materials. That would be expensive, fossil fuel-intensive and habitat destructive. If it is done overseas, as most of it is today, it would involve virtually no health, safety, environmental, human rights, child labor or fair-pay protections. That is not acceptable.

One would hope their commitment to environmental protection and “social justice” would make GND supporters stalwart advocates for reform. Amendments to the GND or stand-alone bills should require that that all future wind turbine, solar panel and battery components and raw materials be “responsibly sourced” under tough US standards addressing all these issues – or we don’t import them.

There’s more. Contrary to claims by GND advocates, electricity rates would likely skyrocket – to at least the 38¢ per kWh families and businesses are already paying in Germany and Denmark. That’s four times as much as Americans now pay in states where coal, gas, nuclear and hydro generate most of the electricity. Those rates are job killers for factories, hospitals, schools and businesses.

They also literally kill people, by making it hard for poor families and pensioners to afford adequate heat in wintertime. And just imagine countless stranded electric cars, trucks and buses clogging highways, especially during snow storms, as their batteries go dead … and hundreds of people die of exposure.

GND advocates seek a total, virtually totalitarian transformation of the US energy and transportation system, economy, buildings, industries, employment base, living standards and individual freedoms. They are using American citizens as guinea pigs in this grand experiment.

They need to tell us what resources will be required … how and where they will get them … how this scheme will work. That’s not likely to happen – because they don’t have a clue, and don’t care. They also can’t prove climate fluctuations and weather events are unprecedented and caused by fossil fuels.

So let’s have those House and Senate votes on the Green New Deal. Let’s see who stands where on this.

Paul Driessen is senior policy advisor for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) and author of articles and books on energy, environmental and human rights issues.

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ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 10:06 am

“Mr. Markey is outraged; he claims Republicans just want to sow discord within the Democratic party, portray Dems as favoring extremist policies and sabotage the plan.”

I love it, love it!

Run Markey up the flagpole!

Gary
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 10:29 am

Didn’t some Democrat once say “Never let the stupidity of your opponent go to waste” ?

MarkW
Reply to  Gary
February 18, 2019 11:52 am

There was another Democrat who did say “Never let a crisis go to waste.”

The Democrats are having a crisis, and waste is a bad thing.

Reply to  Gary
February 19, 2019 9:40 am

Alexandria Occasionally Coherent
is, by far, the dumbest US Congressperson
in my lifetime, and I’m 65 years old.

She’s the gift that keeps on giving
… for Republicans.

She makes Trump sound like a genius.

But, if AOC’s goal was to destroy the US economy,
then she’s the smartest Congressperson
of all time, because her Green Bad Dream
would certainly succeed !

My climate science blog:
http://www.elOnionBloggle.Blogspot.com

Jon Salmi
Reply to  Richrd Greene
February 19, 2019 12:20 pm

Richard, the GND is so childish it makes me wonder if there isn’t a conservative Cardinal Richelieu whispering in AOC’s ear. What is wrong with America? We seem to be in the midst of Children’s Crusades being led by the likes of AOC, David Hogg, and Milo Cress. I believe, these Children’s Crusades will end as badly as the original ones in the early-13th century. It is getting to the point where you will be able to count the number of mature adults in the Democratic Party on your fingers. I do remain hopeful that enough cool-heads remain in the Democratic Party to stop this irrational GND before it leads the USA to wrack and ruin.

jd
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 11:02 am

Remembering his record I’d recommend another us of that flagpole on Markey……

Latitude
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 12:09 pm

Markey is so stupid…..he introduced it to the senate

Speaking of stupid….

When you get blasted by Cuomo, Blasio, and Machin, and Maloney, and Pelosi…on and on

…you really are stupid

KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Latitude
February 18, 2019 2:00 pm

+1000, Latitude!

R Shearer
Reply to  Latitude
February 18, 2019 4:28 pm

At least they agree that walls don’t work. I’m no sure how efficient all these new buildings will be without walls.

Bryan A
Reply to  Latitude
February 19, 2019 12:08 pm

Has he been rubbing shoulders with Hank Johnson?
Perhaps that would explain Rep Johnsons Guam Comments.
Perhaps Markey has been rubbing off on Dems.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 12:32 pm

Well at least Markey identifies it as extremist. He just doesnt want to have it recognized as such. The policy is impossible to make a reality, but the virtue signalling is what they want to showcase. The totes, both politicians and scientists do this with everything related to climate.

For example, they hate that sceptics continue to use CAGW instead of climate change saying this is just a way for sceptics to exaggerate and put down CC, and yet in the next breath tell us that we only have 12yrs to save the planet from catastrophic warming! Ever pliant Wiki some months ago had an article identifying CAGW as a sceptic ‘snarl’ at CC. Now this has been disappeared they have created an organization as a diversion: Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) with lots of articles! Good Lord, how dishonest and diabolical is that. The corruption of language is a must with soshulists.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gary Pearse
February 18, 2019 2:24 pm

“Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW)”

That’s funny! This just means we are winning! 🙂

vukcevic
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 12:38 pm

Hi there to all
America you are in good company, British politics at the moment is just as ‘entraining’.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 1:42 pm

“Run Markey up the flagpole!”…..

…and see who salutes him?

Duane
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 1:51 pm

There are extremists in the Democratic Party.

There are extremists in the Republican Party.

Duh!

Stop wasting so much time and energy responding to the latest stupid stunt by one of the new darlings of the media, who now happens to be a darling of the right wing because the right wingers think they can paint all Democrats with her extremist brush.

Of course, Democrats think they can paint all Republicans with the Donald Trump extremist brush too.

We’d all be far better off ignoring the ridiculous Tweeter-in-Chief as well as the new left wing bombthrower AOC.

The middle is always where all the real solutions to life reside. The wingnuts of both left and right don’t have solutions, they just have propaganda.

MarkW
Reply to  Duane
February 18, 2019 2:09 pm

The problem is that the wingnuts run the Democrat party.

Joel Snider
Reply to  MarkW
February 18, 2019 2:36 pm

AND they control the message – and their agenda is one of almost unilateral destruction of western society.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Duane
February 18, 2019 2:34 pm

“Of course, Democrats think they can paint all Republicans with the Donald Trump extremist brush too.”

Yeah, except Trump is not an extremist. That’s just the Leftwing narrative.

To the Left, every Republican is a racist and a divider, and that is especially so for Republicans who are leaders, and even more especially so for Republican leaders who are successful and make socialism look bad like Trump does and Reagan did.

Branding the Right as racist is standard procedure for the Left. It’s their main weapon because they don’t have to have any proof to make the charge, but they manage to demonize their political opponents anyway. it helps that they have the societal megaphone of the Leftwing Media to promote their hate.

The tables have turned on the Left with the election of Trump. We are going to keep them turned, if we can.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 18, 2019 3:05 pm

‘Branding the Right as racist is standard procedure for the Left.’

That’s one of those qualities that makes a person ‘okay to hate’.
Doesn’t have to be true – you just have to be branded.

Before Trump even announced, Huff-po (which is basically the modern Progressive voice) openly declared they were going to smear ANY opposing candidate as ‘racist’.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 18, 2019 5:29 pm

Your average leftists actually believes that socialism is middle of the road and that anything to the right of socialism is by definition extreme.
That’s how someone like Rhys can refere to the US as being Uber Capitalist.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Duane
February 18, 2019 2:35 pm

‘Extreme Conservative’.

Kind of an oxymoron, don’t you think?

Reply to  Duane
February 18, 2019 2:53 pm

Duane,

The problem is that the “middle” moves around a lot and at the moment it is a bit far left for rational thinkers.

Cheers

Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

Gunga Din
Reply to  Duane
February 18, 2019 3:38 pm

Trump is President because US citizen voters that were sick of the slow creep of left-wing extremism came out of the woodwork to vote for him.
In previous elections they were only offered “Obama-lites” like Romney.

sycomputing
Reply to  Duane
February 18, 2019 3:53 pm

The middle is always where all the real solutions to life reside . . . left and right don’t have solutions, they just have propaganda.

You contradict yourself with your own propaganda.

The middle is where weak minded uncommitted “I-See-Your-Point-Now-I-Beg-You-To-See-Mine” mush mouth swaddle-trollops get heartily “committed” from all sides; up, down, top and bottom.

No thank you. I prefer to be a “giver” if it’s all the same to you.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Duane
February 18, 2019 4:54 pm

Sit on the fence and you will get splinters in ya bum.

‘The Middle’ is simply a manipulation by the Left who by guilt tripping people into believing that a Fair Compromise(tm) is a sensible course of action. It is the idea that if no one can agree then a mixture will work.

Problem with this is a lot of the time it simply doesn’t work. If half the people in a room want ice cream and the other half want to eat turds then making turd ice cream is only going to please people who like eating turds (and probably also are lactose tolerant…). This is then usually doubled down on by converting this compromise to the new extreme (it is what you agreed to, ergo it is what you want, so it is now your bargaining position) and then forcing debate into a choice between eating turds and eating turd ice cream.

The ‘Middle’ is simply the starting point used to justify the word ‘extreme’ against anyone you disagree with.

The other problem with Duane’s argument is that the NGD is not just a ‘Stupid Stunt’. It is literally what these people believe. If I was to constantly go on about how I planned to come into your home and drink your beer you may think I am just talking bollocks, but you would be wise to make sure you never invite me inside as well, just in case I am being literal.

With the subject of Duane’s diversion, AOC, we should either take her as being literal, and ensure her destruction is called out and avoided, or take her as being a complete idiot, and ensure all the swing voters know this is the current public face of this party.

No free passes.

Or…. you can let her have her way. I am not American. Destroy your economy and then in 15 years I can come and holiday in the US for about $3 a day. Your choice.

MarkG
Reply to  Craig from Oz
February 18, 2019 7:56 pm

The left love ‘compromise’ because it moves them closer to what they really want, and they can come back five years later demanding more. ‘Compromise’ is just the starting point for the next round of demands.

Conservatives’ have spent the last fifty years compromising away everything the left ever wanted. It’s only in the last few years that the majority on the right have realize that most ‘conservatives’ were just controlled opposition giving a pretense of trying to conserve through their perpetual ‘compronises’.

And this is what has terrified the left. The old ways no longer work; they thought they were fighting a war, but the right hadn’t even started fighting back.

Now they are. And the left don’t like it up ’em.

Jon Jewett
Reply to  Duane
February 18, 2019 10:22 pm

Our President Trump has just about doubled the GNP and has brought the unemployment rate as low as it has been in decades. He has cut regulations strangling our economy especially the “green regulations. With the lower taxes and regulations, companies are bringing jobs back to our Republic. He has reassured our east European allies that we haven’t abandoned them and kicked our NATO parasites into taking on their share of their own defense. He has taken action on Iran who is well on their way to a nuclear holocaust. He has taken a lot of action against Russia for their invasions of Georgia, the Crimean, and the Ukraine. Actually, Russia is collapsing from their own internal contradictions. They are so poor that they can’t even put their new tank design into production and their only aircraft carrier is so poorly maintained that it may not be able to save it. Also, Russia’s space program is in disarray because they can’t afford it and besides they no longer have the engineers and technicians to design, build and operate these complicated systems. The “junior league’ ISIS that overwhelmed Obama has been eliminated. For a man with no solutions, he has done a lot. Probably done more than any President since Reagan won the cold war. Really, I don’t give a damn about his tweets. Pathetic George W. refused to stand up to the Democrats. Romney, McCain, and the other Bush weren’t capable of winning against the Democrats much less standing up to them if any of them had won the Presidency. There is a Christian saying: God doesn’t choose the perfect man. He chooses the man perfect for the job.

nottoobrite
Reply to  Duane
February 19, 2019 2:50 am

Waiting in the Singapore airport I was talking to a Chinese who said to me “we are all born into a type” as an example he said 2 men talking at the bar were policemen, at his suggestion I went and asked, yep right!
Politicians are a type all over the world they are plus minus the same stupid, not knowing the difference between a hammer and a wrench,
The problems arrive when you get a “outsider” changing stupid! I will mention Singapore again as it is the worlds richest country with more millionaires per population that any other, it was”outsider ” President Lee who made this success story real
Go Donald Run the country like a business you need change in politics, time to make it pay !

Sara
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 5:35 pm

Let’s keep all of this out in the open where it belongs. A summary of this Green Nude Eel program is that while it looks jus’ wunnafulla on paper, it is gobbledygook, bolstered by buzz words, advertising language, and paeans to the God of Ignorance. Or is that the Goddess of Ignorance? Not sure which just yet.

I can see an increase in the draft horse population, so that farmers who produce grain crops for consumption will be able to get almost as much done by sundown that they could do in a 3-week period prior to elimination of modern farming equipment and fertilizers.

I’m still puzzled by Babbleicious’s notion that no one buys or eats healthy food nowadays. My fridge, freezer and cupboards are stuffed with it. But I’m suspicious that she thinks only microwaved food is healthy, when in fact, it is worse than soyburgers and uses too much electricity.

On the other hand, if that person wants to pay for a new house for me with all the junk I don’t want, all of which is a drain on the electric grid, I’ll be more than happy to take it off her hands as long as she pays for it. Energy efficient? When we had a power outage in November that was due to an ice storm that affected 380,000 homes in my area alone, my house lost its temperature VERY slowly, dropping from 72F to 55F over a period of about 28 hours, maybe more. My little house is quite well-insulated and I could heat food by lighting my GAS stove with kitchen matches. It was unnerving, but no one really suffered A fireplace would have been nice, but maybe Miss Babblelicious could provide a Rumford fireplace in my replacement house. She is a very strange person.

Oh, yeah – when she starts the demolition programs, make sure that you know someone who can build an icebox for you, and that you have a copy of Hannah Glass’s classic 18th century book “The Art of Cookery” on hand, because it was written when there was no refrigeration. Glad I have a copy now.

2hotel9
February 18, 2019 10:06 am

We do lead the world, sweetheart. Now go make me a samwich and iron my laundry.(she is a college grad, should be able to figure out how to do those things.)

Y. Knott
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 10:11 am

– You’d trust her with a knife (to cut the sandwich) and a hot iron (to iron the laundry)?

Especially after telling a militant marxist feminist to do things like THAT???

“You’re a braver man than I, Gunga Din!”

2hotel9
Reply to  Y. Knott
February 18, 2019 10:22 am

Hey, just trying to give her the chance to earn an honest living, since she failed as a bartender is now a grifter stealing tax dollars.

Y. Knott
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 10:47 am

– Sadly, many greeeen weeenies will attest, there are FAR better livings to be made as tax-dollar-stealing grifters than by trying to do it honestly…

I suspect she’s noticed.

ralfellis
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 10:34 am

Sandwich.

Comes from Lord Sandwich, who did not like getting his fingers dirty with the traditional something-on-bread – so put another slice of bread on top.

R

2hotel9
Reply to  ralfellis
February 18, 2019 10:42 am

No, in AOC’s ‘hood it is a samwich, As in Wayne Brady to Dave Chappelle. WB “Give me your samwich.” DC”Wwwhat?”. WB “I said give me your samwich!” DC “Dave meekly hands over his samwich”

Menicholas
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 11:56 am

Both wrong:
Sammich, comes from keeping up with the common parlance in actual usage.

HotScot
Reply to  Menicholas
February 18, 2019 12:53 pm

We have gone from Samwich, to Sandwich, to Sammich.

If it’s edible material between two slices of bread it is correctly known as a Sandwich.

It might be pronounced differently as a colloquialism but there is no need to spell it incorrectly.

Having said that, the English language is the most inclusive on the planet and voraciously feeds on all others for ever more descriptive terms.

It’s even the first language of Scotland, so it must be blooming amazing!

MarkW
Reply to  Menicholas
February 18, 2019 2:10 pm

I thought the first language of Scotland was Scotch.

Y. Knott
Reply to  Menicholas
February 18, 2019 6:13 pm

“Sammich” came from Pogo, didn’t it?

John Endicott
Reply to  Menicholas
February 19, 2019 11:05 am

Supposedly the origin of “sammich” is from a November 1998 Onion article about the life of an office worker written in stereotypical Ebonics. As it’s a dialect corruption of “sandwich” it’s possible it may have appeared independently elsewhere (such as in a comic strip like Pogo) as a means of indicating an accent or other character specific speech pattern. It has since become part of the “Make me a sandwich” meme when it’s deliberately spelled as “Make me a sammich”. It was officially recognized as a word by The Oxford English Dictionary May 2011.

HotScot
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 12:45 pm

Demonstrates the ignorance in AOC’s Hood then, doesn’t it.

The term is ‘Sandwich’ as ralfellis correctly states.

vukcevic
Reply to  HotScot
February 18, 2019 2:29 pm
John Endicott
Reply to  HotScot
February 19, 2019 11:10 am

The term is ‘Sandwich’ as ralfellis correctly states

That is certainly the *proper* term. But “sammich” is a recognized informal variant per the oxford English dictionary:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/sammich

vukcevic
Reply to  ralfellis
February 18, 2019 2:04 pm

if you drive from Dover to Ramsgate or Margate you pass trough Sandwich, a is a small town now couple of miles inland but during Roman Warm Period was a port on the English Channel, global sea rise, you know. 🙂
Roman emperor Claudius (one of the I Claudius series infamy, the uncle of Caligula) sailed into then (not any more) port of Sandwich with an elephant or two .

vukcevic
Reply to  vukcevic
February 18, 2019 2:19 pm
ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 10:07 am

National suicide is up for a vote. Great.

dam1953
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 10:42 am

I’ve come to the realization that suicide would solve all my problems…

… if I could just get the right people to try it.

Reply to  dam1953
February 18, 2019 7:11 pm

thanks for that!

Sara
Reply to  dam1953
February 19, 2019 5:31 am

You could post a spew alert ahead of that, you know! Just out of kindness! I will remember it!

jake
February 18, 2019 10:08 am

Among the renewable sources, only W&S output has been growing appreciably, adding 5 GW in each of the recent years. Assuming the same growth in the future, 465/5 yields 93 years. Not ten.
That’s electricity. As for energy overall, 3300/5 yields 660 years.
The electricity goal is not achievable, nor is it our national interest to meet it. Ever. The W&S industry already employs slightly more than either the gas or coal industry at about 250 000 jobs and growing. And here is the irony: We are growing energy sector where one employee accounts for 16 kW in contrast one employee’s 1600 kW in thermal plants. That means that where your monthly utility bill shows $1 for labor today, it would rose to $100 then. The poor among us would suffer the most.

2hotel9
Reply to  jake
February 18, 2019 10:20 am

Wow, and you wonder why people laugh and point at you all the time.

sycomputing
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 10:44 am

I’m wondering. Which part of jake’s comment has you “rolling on the floor pointing” exactly?

2hotel9
Reply to  sycomputing
February 18, 2019 10:49 am

The whole thing, it is just too precious. Windmills and solar panels will power the world. Just typing it makes me laugh. Then the claim they employ more people than all other energy industries,,,,, Stop it!!!! I can’t catch my breath and the dogs are looking at me weird. Just too funny.

sycomputing
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 11:08 am

The whole thing, it is just too precious.

Ok. So you would disagree with this claim by Jake:

“The electricity goal is not achievable, nor is it our national interest to meet it. Ever.”

And this one:

“That means that where your monthly utility bill shows $1 for labor today, it would rose to $100 then. The poor among us would suffer the most.”

And then according to the article, “. . . the Green New Deal demands that the United States convert to 100% “renewable” energy within ten years.”

Jack claims the following with regard to the GND demand (emphasis added):

“. . . W&S output has been growing appreciably, adding 5 GW in each of the recent years. Assuming the same growth in the future, 465/5 yields 93 years. Not ten.

So if the above claim is laughable you’d have to argue that the AOC is correct and the GND is achievable in 10 years would you not?

Windmills and solar panels will power the world. Just typing it makes me laugh.

Didn’t catch that claim in jake’s comment. Can you point it out?

2hotel9
Reply to  sycomputing
February 18, 2019 11:13 am

You are pointing out all the contradictory parts of the comment, that is making me laugh even more. As for cut&pasting it and re-posting? Nah, I will just bask in the entertainment value of the whole.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 11:18 am

@2hotel9;

That’s what happens when you skim a post and get it totally wrong. Be a nice fellow and apologize to the man.

2hotel9
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
February 19, 2019 6:13 am

I still find the whole thing funny. This, “Among the renewable sources, only W&S output has been growing appreciably” is a real knee slapper since according to the true believers wind and solar are the only renewables and without government subsidies they would be back into the niche/gimmick category where they belong. As for its output growing wind and solar can’t even support themselves without coal, gas, hydro and nuke power. And “W&S industry already employs slightly more than either the gas or coal industry at about 250 000 jobs and growing” is a hoot. If this was meant as parody he succeeded. Congratulations.

sycomputing
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 11:25 am

You are pointing out all the contradictory parts of the comment, that is making me laugh even more.

Contradictory to what exactly? You mean this?

Windmills and solar panels will power the world.

I still don’t see that claim. Do point it out for me.

Or do you mean this?

Then the claim they employ more people than all other energy industries.

If so, well I haven’t a clue about employment figures, but it would appear you do. Since you seem to have done the research, would you mind passing it along so I can have a good laugh too?

MarkW
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 11:56 am

I see absolutely nothing in jake’s post that can be construed as being in favor of renewable power.

Menicholas
Reply to  2hotel9
February 18, 2019 12:13 pm

Trolling.
To be ignored.

John Endicott
Reply to  2hotel9
February 19, 2019 11:22 am

The whole thing, it is just too precious

I don’t think you’ve understood jake’s point. While he could have worded it better, he’s pointing out that the math doesn’t work out for the ideas behind the GND. You two are actually in agreement about the stupidity of the GND.

sycomputing
Reply to  2hotel9
February 19, 2019 10:01 pm

I still find the whole thing funny.

Then you must have the data to falsify the man’s claim(s), otherwise you’d just be pointing and laughing by faith and that would be simpleminded and puerile.

“Among the renewable sources, only W&S output has been growing appreciably” is a real knee slapper . . .

I don’t know whether that claim is true or not, but it’s clear you do. What’s your source for believing otherwise?

“W&S industry already employs slightly more than either the gas or coal industry at about 250 000 jobs and growing” is a hoot.

Here again, I’m not sure about this either, but you must have some hard evidence to believe otherwise? Again, what’s your source?

Hugs
Reply to  sycomputing
February 18, 2019 10:58 am

It was ‘you’ in passive voice, I guess. I hope.

John Endicott
Reply to  sycomputing
February 19, 2019 11:14 am

Which part of jake’s comment has you “rolling on the floor pointing” exactly?

I still don’t see that claim. Do point it out for me where anyone claimed to be rolling on the floor?.

sycomputing
Reply to  John Endicott
February 19, 2019 9:48 pm

Do point it out for me where anyone claimed to be rolling on the floor?.

Odd question, didn’t you just quote me making the claim?

John Endicott
Reply to  John Endicott
February 22, 2019 12:07 pm

I quoted you supposedly quoting someone else of “rolling on the floor pointing” (hence the quote marks around the phrase) but I still don’t see where anyone other than you used the phrase “rolling on the floor pointing” certainly not the poster of whom you were asking the question.

February 18, 2019 10:09 am

She should add “Lemming” to her triad of names!!!

Joel Snider
Reply to  tomwys
February 18, 2019 11:02 am

‘AOC’.

‘Adolf On Crack’

Sara
Reply to  tomwys
February 19, 2019 5:36 am

Now, now. Quit hacking on lemmings! They do not run off cliffs in herds. That is speciesist!!!!

Running off cliffs is what Greenbeaners and CAGWers and Ecohippies do… or will do, because they’re headed that way.

Paul Penrose
February 18, 2019 10:11 am

If AOC believes that leading by example is so important, then why doesn’t she and her supporters do just that? Why don’t they eschew use of all fossil fuels by converting their homes to all renewable sources, drive only EVs, give up meat and dairy products?

Y. Knott
Reply to  Paul Penrose
February 18, 2019 10:13 am

– As soon as they get the taxpayer to pay for it all, they’ll be at the head of the line… -_-

John Endicott
Reply to  Paul Penrose
February 18, 2019 10:20 am

Because it’s always rules for thee but not for me with these leftist totalitarian elitists.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  John Endicott
February 18, 2019 11:07 am

Yes, everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.

Max Dupilka
Reply to  Paul Penrose
February 18, 2019 10:47 am

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.”
― Margaret Thatcher

Bryan A
Reply to  Paul Penrose
February 18, 2019 11:19 am

Don’t forget about flying anywhere, must use rail and electric busses only.

John Endicott
Reply to  Bryan A
February 19, 2019 5:06 am

Or wind powered boats (IE sail boats), those would be acceptable as well (as long as the sails aren’t made from petrochemicals, as that would be bad) 😉

Paul Drahn
February 18, 2019 10:16 am

I often wonder how many whales would be killed to provide lubricating oil for the wind mills and electric trains?

Bryan A
Reply to  Paul Drahn
February 18, 2019 11:20 am

Corn oil perhaps

StephanA
Reply to  Bryan A
February 18, 2019 11:42 am

Corn oil goes rancid and turns into a gummy mess. That is why our ancestors used whale oil. If AOC would lead by example she would starve, because even if she went vegan fossil fuels are used to transport and produce the produce.

Sara
Reply to  Bryan A
February 19, 2019 5:39 am

Tallow was used before whale oil. When petroleum (oil) and natural were “found” and refined, whale oil and the whaling industry went under.

Julian
February 18, 2019 10:16 am

The AOC school for Kids Who Can’t Read Good and Want to Do Other Stuff Good Too.

ripshin
Editor
Reply to  Julian
February 18, 2019 12:58 pm

What is this, a Green New Deal for ants?!? It needs to be at least…3 times absurd-er. I have a vision…

rip

Ben Vorlich
February 18, 2019 10:18 am

As far as I can see in the field of ACC/AGW policy the USA is leading the world by ignoring their own Agencies.

mark from the midwest
February 18, 2019 10:23 am

Ms Occasional-Cortex has p.o.’d so many people back in Queens and the BRONX with the AMAZON fiasco that she will not get reelected in 2020. The NGD calls for people to have a “family supporting wage.” Amazon was ready to provide 20,000 people with a “family in a new Audi Q5 wage.”

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  mark from the midwest
February 18, 2019 11:33 am

The problem for her constituents is that very few of those $150,000 jobs were ever going to filter down to them. Out of 505,000 over 25, only 85,000 have a college degree and only 50,000 have a professional degree. A total of 10,000 work in information technology.

Taphonomic
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
February 18, 2019 11:59 am

That ignores the concept of multiplier effect. From Wikipedia: “For example, if a firm realises a new factory plant, it will employ construction workers and their suppliers as well as those who work in the plant. Indirectly, the new plant will stimulate employment in laundries, restaurants, and service industries in the urban environment.”

Supposedly having some education in economics, Occasional Cortex should be familiar with this concept. Maybe she was busy doing a dance video the day that was discussed.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Taphonomic
February 18, 2019 2:45 pm

The U.S. has gained something like 500,000 new manufacturing jobs since Trump took Office and it is estimated that for every manufacturing job created, seven adddional jobs are created in the community.

Menicholas
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
February 18, 2019 12:21 pm

25,000 people taking ubers, or parking…jobs.
25,000 buying coffee and lunch every day.
Jobs.
Stopping for breakfast, or for dinner…jobs.
25,000 new homeowners of means…babysitters, daycare, tradespeople, shops and markets and stores…
Jobs.
Jobs jobs jobs from a new 3.75 billion dollars in wages per year flowing into a community.
Minimum. It may be as many as 40,000.
IN the actual HQ…how many menial tasks like cleaning, guards, maintenance on and one and on.
And then…the big one…how many other companies move in down the street because the most valuable company in the country just moved in with a HQ?
I will tell you…a lot of those jobs would be available to people who already live there, even if not a single one of the high tech jobs did so, which would be ridiculous to assume. People will train for jobs that exist.
The scale of the loss from AOCs idiocy is hard to even estimate, but it is huge.
She may be the most economically illiterate person with an economics degree to have ever been born on Earth.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Menicholas
February 18, 2019 12:53 pm

If I’m not mistaken this comics …er… economics grad thinks that NY should simply give the $3 billion in tax credits offered to Amazon her voters.
(Kinda’ like using the Pentagon’s book keeping errors to pay for free medicare for all.)

Steven Lohr
Reply to  Menicholas
February 18, 2019 1:32 pm

“Modern dancer”, she may be, an economist, she is not.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Menicholas
February 18, 2019 2:44 pm

I do not disagree with your analysis. The point I’m trying to get at is all the juicy jobs were going to go to people “not us” as far as her constituents were concerned. Their (and her) ignorance of the multiplier effect means that they will not see this as a loss for themselves come November of 2020. They’ve done themselves real harm, but they will never see that because their situation didn’t get any worse when Amazon went away; all the improvements were speculative, in the future.

Grant
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
February 18, 2019 4:13 pm

A total of 30,000 votes were cast.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Grant
February 19, 2019 8:38 am

AOC was essentially selected by 15,897 voters. That’s how many voters actually cast a vote for her in the primary election, and it is common knowledge in that precinct that it is sooooo D that the winner of the Democratic primary will win the general election. And still, that’s all the people that could be bothered to come out and vote for her. Yeah, I call that overwhelming support. And the saddest thing is, she will be re-elected. Probably by even fewer people, but she will be re-elected. As mentioned already, the average voter in her precinct is poor, come the next election they will still be poor, so chasing off Amazon didn’t bother them one damn bit, they’ll still vote for her smarmy ass.

French geographer
February 18, 2019 10:24 am

Welcome in the stupid world, dear fellow Americans ! The green ideology is devastating France with the same young leaders, such as AOC, who are in the government and parliament’s majority.
For us, “AOC” is funny. In french “Appellation d’Origine Contrôlée” (AOC) is the term which is defining the better wines. but american AOC seems to be a plonk !

ripshin
Editor
Reply to  French geographer
February 18, 2019 10:55 am

Appellation Bronx Contrôlée, anyone?

Honestly, though, I get the feeling she’s the Beaujolais Nouveau of the Senate: highly anticipated, highly overrated.

rip

French geographer
Reply to  ripshin
February 18, 2019 2:36 pm

You’re right ! And “Appellation Bronx Contrôlée” is much more funny because, in french the expression “c’est le Bronx !” means “what a shambles !”
We are in the heart of the subject…

ripshin
Editor
Reply to  French geographer
February 21, 2019 12:03 pm

Oh, haha. I didn’t know that. Perfect!!!

Sara
Reply to  French geographer
February 19, 2019 5:43 am

Cheap wine sours quickly. So, yes, she is a plonk!

billtoo
February 18, 2019 10:26 am

my wife just reminded my there is a tremendous amount of energy waiting to be had by harnessing toilet flushes above the fourth floor at most vacation resorts. power the world!

Tom in Florida
Reply to  billtoo
February 18, 2019 11:08 am

That’s a bunch of crap.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  billtoo
February 18, 2019 11:19 am

With all due respect to your wife I surely hope she isn’t pretending to earn a living in any technical fields such as engineering.
She might want to reacquaint herself with the 2nd law of Thermodynamics, and then learn the meaning of TANSTAFL.
Right…. how did the water make it all the way to the upper floors? Roof-top rain collection would be the only acceptable response.

billtoo
Reply to  Rocketscientist
February 18, 2019 11:29 am

umm. it was to be wasted anyways?

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  billtoo
February 18, 2019 11:34 am

…so to speak. 🙂

Menicholas
Reply to  Rocketscientist
February 18, 2019 12:03 pm

Falling rain power!
It’s genius!
Make tall wide roofs, and hydro turbines on the downspouts for the rainwaters.

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Menicholas
February 18, 2019 12:53 pm

Put a collection tank on the roof and a tank on every other floor. Drain the water through a turbine between every tank. Harvest energy every other floor. Building powers all internal needs.

Don’t tell anyone that purchase, maintenance and replacement costs are greater than buying electricity from a coal powered plant.

SR

Yirgach
Reply to  Rocketscientist
February 18, 2019 12:47 pm

Simply put, the kinetic energy was created by fermenting grains which were grown and harvested using fossil fuels, several hundred/thousand miles away. The end result was then downloaded into a filtering/transport system which moved it up to the fourth floor. This transfer was provided by even more energy reliant mechanisms which caused the growth and sustained the filtering/transport mechanism itself.
It is left to the student to ascertain where in this chain of events (or even before) a lack of reliable energy could cause a complete failure of the system and hence the downfall of civilization as we know it.
So there.

Gunga Din
Reply to  billtoo
February 18, 2019 3:29 pm

First unicorn farts and now golden showers. Are unicorns required to provide the …uh… “golden”? 😎

But, alas, without the air travel “The Raw Green Deal” would prohibit, who would be there to “flush” from the 4th floor and above?

DonM
Reply to  billtoo
February 18, 2019 5:28 pm

I come up with about 0.3 Watts per 4th floor toilet (potential). Maybe we just need taller buildings….

(final design and O & M is left for others.)

troe
February 18, 2019 10:31 am

National Suicide IS up for a vote and we’re on the right side. This is really the gift that’s going to keep giving for a long time to come. We need to be collecting money for media on this as fast as possible. Keep AOC and the GND in the news front and center. Won’t help us win in NYC, LA, Portland, or Seattle but drives the narrative in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin.

Turning down 25k jobs at 180k per year in NYC helps make it real.

2hotel9t
Reply to  troe
February 18, 2019 10:36 am

The main one that killed the Amazon deal was actually a city councilman, and he did it by pushing unionization. Accusatory Occasional-Cortex was just the loudest mouth at the time it happened.

icisil
Reply to  2hotel9t
February 18, 2019 12:24 pm

The mayor, too. He basically said it was non-negotiable. Amazon’s like, “CYA!” Union loving states just don’t get it.

troe
Reply to  2hotel9t
February 18, 2019 12:48 pm

looking into it that’s what you see. If Cuomo or de Blasio wanted to they could have out maneuvered him. The Unions made it an alter call. They had to fold.

Thomas Homer
February 18, 2019 10:34 am

The prison in Brooklyn, NY went a week without power earlier this year. Now there are cries that the inmates were subjected to bitter cold.

I’d like to see the proposal to make this prison run 100% on renewables. What are the chances we can get that done in the next ten years? What’s the estimated cost?

H.R.
February 18, 2019 10:41 am

To meet the 10 year goal, has anyone done the man-hour requirements and skills availability?

Assuming we were awash with money, my WAG would be that we’d need twice or more than the current US labor force. And skills: many of those cheering for the GND from their cubicles would have to leave their cubicle farms and learn to be electricians, heavy equipment operators, and forestry workers (gotta clear the land for those solar and wind farms and rail beds).

“But, but, but… a lot of this could be automated or mechanized, H.R.” Oh, thanks for the reminder that we’ll be needing a large contingent of people to mind and maintain all the robots and machinery. I see grease under your fingernails in your future.

And I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that the people with the needed skills don’t exist yet, and thanks to our anti-education system we may not have enough that are capable of learning to read schematics, troubleshoot equipment problems, and design the automation and yet-to-be-invented machines necessary to achieve the ten year goal.

Oh, and since it’s government run, there will be paperwork. We’d probably need a good 10-20 million additional paper pushers just to keep the project running badly.

But since we don’t have the money, we can stop at stupid and not venture into stupid squared territory.

Bryan A
Reply to  H.R.
February 18, 2019 11:30 am

Clearing the land is easy. California has successfully cleared 1.8m acres in 2018.

H.R.
Reply to  Bryan A
February 18, 2019 2:37 pm

Yeah, I looked into that based on your note and found the US clears about 10 million acres per year. So the GND is probably covered or nearly covered for clearing wind and solar plots. Not sure how much clearing high speed rail right-of-ways would add in labor requirements, but clear cutting the necessary portions of the US is doable.

Joel Snider
Reply to  H.R.
February 18, 2019 11:31 am

I’ve been waiting decades for them to ‘stop at stupid’.

That actually seems to be the starting point.

jake
Reply to  H.R.
February 18, 2019 1:38 pm

There are a few answers to your question in the jake’s comment way above.

H.R.
Reply to  jake
February 18, 2019 2:30 pm

So, just for the wind and solar part, we’d need roughly 2.5 million workers to meet the 10 year goal… in 10 years.

Then there’s the labor for the rest of the GND, trains, cars, batteries, solar installation crews to hit all the houses in the US. And think of the material handling to get all the GND stuff where it needs to be.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  H.R.
February 18, 2019 2:54 pm

I saw an estimate on tv this morning concerning the Green New Deal and estimated costs.

They had a study that claimed it would cost $1,900.00 per apartment for an apartment building to be retrofitted with LED bulbs!

This is the kind of outlandish proposals we are finding in the Green New Deal. Typically the costs are off the charts and completely unrealistic. Straight out of the Democrat playbook.

Yeah, let’s have public hearings in Congress about what the Green New Deal proposes to do to our lives and how much it is going to cost us.

TD
February 18, 2019 10:42 am

Has there ever been a study as to what are the effects of building such things? Such as the loss of C02 uptake from the permanent vegetation loss in the area needed for solar energy panels to be placed? The C02 created to build all of it ? The heat island effect it would create? Etc..Etc..

Y. Knott
Reply to  TD
February 18, 2019 10:57 am

All that has been taken into account, on this and many other renewable-energy projects over the past twenty years. The only justification ever needed so far, has always been ” – But it’s GREEEEEEEEEN!!!”

Joel Snider
February 18, 2019 10:54 am
DMA
February 18, 2019 10:58 am

The excuse given for this nonsense is AGW and the eminent destruction of the planet. So insn’t it reasonable to require some evidence of the problem and a definition of how we will know when we have accomplished the goal? To me the goal appears to have nothing to do with global temperature and requiring a definition of the problem should lead immediately to the abandonment of the proposed solution when the problem cannot be articulated along with evidence of the efficacy of the proposed solution.

Leon Brozyna
February 18, 2019 11:08 am

AOC … Airhead of Congress ?

J Mac
Reply to  Leon Brozyna
February 18, 2019 1:27 pm

Leon,
+100!
You ‘win the internet’ today – Thanks for that!

ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 11:13 am

AOC….The Terminator of traditional, machine-Party Dems.

ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 11:31 am

Guaranteed NY living, professional incomes for all and other free stuff too. I smell a book deal coming.

Wharfplank
February 18, 2019 11:35 am

All state, county, and municipal schools and colleges should be run on 100 “renewables” NOW! After all, this is where the idiocy is preached.

Matthew Bergin
February 18, 2019 11:41 am

We really need a major overhaul of the school system since it seems that all the system produces is brain dead socialists. As an electrician all these GND acronyms are confusing. To me GND means ground. I think the stupidity of the green new deal keeps me from visualizing the acronym as valid.

Menicholas
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
February 18, 2019 12:09 pm

I have never seen ground abbreviated GND in an electrical application.
It is always grd everyplace I see it.

James in WNC
Reply to  Menicholas
February 18, 2019 3:20 pm

It’s common in the US.

Greg F
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
February 18, 2019 2:06 pm

To me GND means ground.

Same for me.

I have never seen ground abbreviated GND in an electrical application.

Fairly common on architectural drawings.
It’s also not uncommon in electronics schematics or on PC boards which can have some variations like AGND (analog ground), DGND (digital ground), SGND (signal ground).

n.n
February 18, 2019 11:44 am

The Gray New Deal is the quick fix apparent, which is appealing to numerous people. And as indoctrination, immigration reform, and planned parenthood take its toll, the American Republic will follow the fate of its predecessors.

E J Zuiderwijk
February 18, 2019 11:49 am

GND reads like a recipe for 1 Venezuela a la carte.

Toto
February 18, 2019 11:52 am

I never heard where AOC got her 12 years from.

” with only a dozen years before total disaster strikes – the Green New Deal demands that the United States convert to 100% “renewable” energy within ten years”
So if a miracle happens in ten years, we are saved? Not going to happen. There is no point going to all that trouble if total disaster happens anyway.

So I say — Party Like It’s 1999! Enjoy it will it lasts. Burn all that oil now; the rats who take over aren’t going to use it.

leowaj
Reply to  Toto
February 18, 2019 3:50 pm

I believe the 12 year remark comes from the most recent UN IPCC fifth grade semester project.

Sara
Reply to  Toto
February 19, 2019 5:51 am

She got it from a dartboard at a local tavern.

John K. Sutherland
February 18, 2019 11:52 am

No one, to my knowledge, ever seems prepared to tell us where all of the electricity to move this fleet of vehicles would come from; how we will heat our homes, power our factories, schools or hospitals.
Never mind the world ending in twelve years; we would already have committed suicide while the rest of the world looks on and cheers.

AWG
Reply to  John K. Sutherland
February 18, 2019 2:07 pm

That part comes later when they reveal the second part of their Malthusian worldview: dramatic population reduction.

They have for years have proudly designated their ideological opponents as “Lebensunwertes Leben”

George Daddis
Reply to  John K. Sutherland
February 18, 2019 5:49 pm

John, you must not have read their proposal.
The resolution clearly says:

…“Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, (and) build(ing) charging stations everywhere,…

See, they carefully thought it out; the electricity will, like, come from “charging stations”, like, “everywhere”.

And it’s not like everything has to be done at once; you have 10 years to find a new use for your ICE vehicle, and for them to dismantle all the corner gas stations.

R2Dtoo
Reply to  George Daddis
February 19, 2019 8:14 am

I’m not much of a believer in “too big to fail”, but if the US economy failed, I doubt that the rest of the world would do much cheering. The economics department at Boston University, however, might cheer a bit.

jake
Reply to  John K. Sutherland
February 20, 2019 10:27 am

John: This might provide you with a part of the info. It is from my 2015 article.

How much more electricity would be needed in the U.S. should all cars (200 million of them) be the electric, such as the Nissan Leafs and driven as today for 15 000 km annually. Charging them would draw the average of 80 GW. But not everybody will be satisfied driving a small car so the overall consumption will be higher, say 110 GW. (This number excludes buses, trucks, delivery vehicles, etc.)

To put that number into perspective, the present (2015) average electricity draw of the whole country amounts to 450 GW. This four times higher wattage powers everything: from ranges and air conditioners to trains, factories, hospitals and cities. It is uncertain what new sources would generate the extra 25 %. Or perhaps only ~20 % if charging only during the off-peak time to take advantage of the spare capacity of existing power plants.

Similar to gas cars, electric cars are expected to need a replacement battery eventually. Once the emissions from producing the second battery are added in, the total CO2 from producing an electric car rises to 12.6 Mg, compared with 5.6 Mg for a petrol car. Disposal doubles the emissions for the energy consumed in recovering and recycling metals in the Li battery. Recycled Li batteries are more expensive to produce that new ones.

The whole article can be read on https//www.masterresource.org/electric-vehicles/energy-usage-cost-gasoline-vs-electric/
jake

Menicholas
February 18, 2019 11:54 am

It would not be virtually totalitarian.
Making such a plan a reality would entail making it illegal to keep using the cars and homes and fuels we already have and own.
It would entail shutting down whole industries involuntarily, and forcing people into new lines of work, many of them the physical labor type like construction and mining.
The logistics alone are 100% unworkable, as even a cursory back of the envelope calculation easily shows.
All of this is obvious.
The plan is so incredibly inane and impossible and far reaching though, that it is hard to engage the brain to fully actualize what would be required to make such a plan a reality.
The battery requirement alone, to name one example, means it could never ever work.
A Tesla powerwall contains enough power to run a home for about an hour.
Intermittent renewables would require weeks worth of stored backup power to achieve reliability comparable to what we have now. And the inefficiency of battery charging and discharging means that enough windmills and solar cells to charge all of these batteries would multiply by many times the number of these devices required.
This is one aspect of one part of the plan.
In fact every part of the GND runs into many similar impossibilities.
It is far beyond insane to suppose these things can happen, delusional to think they are needed, hallucinatory to think people who know naught of such matters can plan an industrial infrastructure, and horrifying to realize we have to even think about it long enough to prove these obvious facts.

Reply to  Menicholas
February 18, 2019 12:05 pm

Typo in your phrase: “The plan is so incredibly inane…”

You forgot the “s”

WR2
February 18, 2019 12:07 pm

After 10 years and billions of dollars wasted in environmental impact studies, blue ribbon panels, etc., Kalifornia has barely broken ground on their high speed rail, and they have already given up. Kalifornia is the socialist beacon for the country, and they couldn’t even complete a very meager project. What makes these people think that transformation on a scale orders of magnitude great could be achieved in the same timeframe?

These people are extremely dangerous.

Neo
February 18, 2019 12:09 pm

AOC says America should lead the world … that’s what all the winning is about.

troe
Reply to  Neo
February 18, 2019 12:23 pm

+10

The best way to lead has always been by example. That we intend to do by ensuring our liberties and economic opportunities.

Bryan A
Reply to  troe
February 18, 2019 3:02 pm

With President Trump at the wheelhouse, America IS leading by example…and others are beginning to listen and learn

beng135
February 18, 2019 12:16 pm

We need Josh w/another AOC cartoon.

Ian
February 18, 2019 12:29 pm

Worth 1,000,000 words:

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troe
Reply to  Ian
February 18, 2019 12:43 pm

hahahaha on the money

beng135
Reply to  Ian
February 19, 2019 6:42 am

Funny as heck, but prb’ly get someone banned on facebook, twitter, instagram, etc.

n.n
February 18, 2019 12:48 pm

AOC says jump! Jump! AOC did not say.

Curious George
February 18, 2019 12:58 pm

Overall impression: a cancer. About to metastasize.

Sara
Reply to  Curious George
February 19, 2019 5:55 am

Nah, more like a cyst that is localizing and surfacing in a frightening and disgusting way.

Just another example of Mother Nature’s warning us to pay attention, or the Wankers will sneak up on us and POOF! You’re gone!

RHS
February 18, 2019 12:59 pm

Our Electric CO-OP recently started a “Peak Demand” charge. Normal rates, 0.108/Kilowatt hour. Peak Demand charge, 1.00/Kilowatt hour.
For me, it added $5 bucks to my last bill, but customers who are home all day, what a punishment for needing warmth in the winter and AC in the summer.
Can’t wait till customers revolt.

Davis
Reply to  RHS
February 18, 2019 1:04 pm

Will look really good at winter use of 3000 kwh/month.

troe
Reply to  Davis
February 18, 2019 1:24 pm

Buy your yellow vest before the stores run out

Davis
Reply to  troe
February 18, 2019 1:38 pm

Or while you can still afford one.

Bryan A
Reply to  troe
February 18, 2019 3:05 pm

Need to get people in Yellow Vests at ALL AGW rallies

Davis
February 18, 2019 1:06 pm

America used to lead the world:

Individual freedom.
Industrial advancement.
Standard of living.

fxk
February 18, 2019 1:21 pm

It sounds just like Pelosi years ago when she said: We have to pass the bill to see what’s in it” referring to another economy grab, ACA.

These folks are making it much too easy to be snarky.

ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 1:29 pm

Will China and Russia fly in food and medical supplies to the Mexican border to help impoverished Americans when the GND is operating?

ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 1:44 pm

McConnell is brilliant.

ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 1:58 pm

Does it come with more insurance-funded opioids to lower the population?

troe
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 18, 2019 2:19 pm

Yes. That’s the beauty of socialism. It comes with promises of an iron rice bowl or in this case a banana leaf to eat your portion on. Relax take it easy. Others will provide for you. It’s a moral imperative so no asking sticky questions on the specifics.

A joke but more like the Insane Clown Posse type.

Lee L
February 18, 2019 2:27 pm

Is RECALL of an elected congressman ( or woman) a possibility in the US electoral system?

H.R.
Reply to  Lee L
February 18, 2019 2:47 pm

The House can expel a member, but don’t hold your breath.

I believe recall options are the prerogative of the states, and not all states have a recall process.

John Endicott
Reply to  H.R.
February 19, 2019 12:46 pm

Indeed, it’s a states issue. New York State currently has no recall process for congress critters.

February 18, 2019 2:40 pm

Perhaps someone on the Democrats side should ask this young woman just how the USA is going to “Save the World”, in 12 year , when the likes of India and China plus the countries of S.E. Asia continue to put billions of Tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Was this her pre election talk, in which case why did they elect her. Was it the offer of f lots of “Free Stuff” , in which case the voters must be even dumber than she is. .

If this is the best that the USA Democrats can produce to represent them, then Trump has his second term in the bag. .

MJE

Alasdair
February 18, 2019 2:59 pm

“Whom the Gods wish to destroy………………”. Sorry this is an oldie; but I can’t get it out of my mind.

Geoff Sherrington
February 18, 2019 3:13 pm

Wisdom from 40 years ago.

“How extraordinary! … The richest, longest-lived, best-protected, most resourceful civilization, with the highest degree of insight into nits own technology, is on its way to becoming the most frightened.”
Aaron Wildavsky, political scientist, University of California, New York Times, 1979.
In “The Apocalyptics” 1984, Edith Efron.

Readers might also like from Efron,

Probable-Possible, my black hen,
She lays eggs in the Relative When.
She doesn’t lay eggs in the Positive Now,
Because she’s unable to postulate How.

F. Winsor & M. Parry, quoted by Jeff Masten in “Epistemic Ambiguity and the Calculus of Risk: Ethyl Corporation vs. Environmental Protection Agency,” South Dakota Law Review, 1976.
Geoff

James in WNC
February 18, 2019 3:25 pm

I thought it was GNB. Green New Boondoggle.

jake
February 18, 2019 4:01 pm

There was a comment from a 2hotel9 person attacking my entry this morning. Anyone knows who 2hotel9 is? Not that I would ever wanted to meet such a person.
For those who so kindly defended me, here is an addition to that 10 year issue.
Fortunately for the poor, and all of us, the available US work-force will be insufficient to manufacture, operate, maintain, tear down, dispose of and erect all those millions of W&S plants that would be needed anew every 20 years. We should also recognize that jobs are a cost. And that unnecessary, unproductive jobs are demoralizing on top thus reducing productivity. Employing robots instead, as some propose, implies more energy yet for powering them.
I claim: not in 10 years, not in a century can we have 100 % renewable electricity, and not in centuries can the US produce the level of 3300 GW from renewable sources. The effort is not just futile; it is also unnecessary as we have had a source of CLEAN and inexhaustible source of both electricity and heat all along – nuclear energy

Menicholas
Reply to  jake
February 18, 2019 5:30 pm

That is perhaps the craziest part…if there really is a global threat of annihilation, why are these people preventing moving ahead with the sources of power which might actually be achievable.
With standardization and cutting through all red tape, in ten years we could likely have dozens and dozens of new nuke plants online.
And they would really do what they want to achieve.

SAMURAI
February 18, 2019 4:32 pm

Crazy-Yo! Cortez and other Leftists have adopted the brilliant economic policy of—Make America Venezuela Again…

All Leftists needed to do was not act crazy, and with MSM’s 92% negative news coverage of Trump 24/7, they had a small chance of defeating him in 2020….

Leftists just couldn’t help themselves and went full-bore wacko..

Swing-state voters in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Colorado, etc., realize that if Leftists implement even tiny elements of the GND, they’ll all be unemployed… They won’t vote for their own destruction in 2020…

I always thought the CAGW scam would be the undoing of Leftists, and I was right.

Louis Hunt
February 18, 2019 4:36 pm

Yes, we should fundamentally transform the most successful country in history because it… because it needs to be punished, just like Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, the USSR, and others. Who wants to join me? Together we can lead the world’s lemmings to the cliff and beyond. Come on you cowards! You know you deserve to be punished.

R2Dtoo
Reply to  Louis Hunt
February 19, 2019 8:32 am

Or you could just put all the radical lefties on Guam and cheer when it tips over.

LOL in Oregon
February 18, 2019 5:34 pm

So, can we prosecute all these folk as foreign agents of China?

H.R.
Reply to  LOL in Oregon
February 18, 2019 8:50 pm

There’s a pleasant thought.

DaveR
February 18, 2019 5:38 pm

If you want to see what happens to a western democracy when it gets infected by the greens, just look at Australia. Our equivalent of your republicans and democrats are both captured by looney green left thinking. The consequence – domestic power prices have risen from 12c per kWh to 30c per kWh (last bill) over a period of 8 years. A major problem for industry and ordinary people alike. Neither political party is capable of (or just refuses to) tackle the problem.

beng135
Reply to  DaveR
February 19, 2019 8:45 am

Well, jeesh, I’d been thinking of moving to Australia or NZ to get out of the US.

Is there anywhere left to go? Belize maybe?

brians356
February 18, 2019 5:43 pm

Hey, where’s Griff when we need him? And that other chap who believes “scientist” is defined:

n. An infallible, incorruptible human being

DaveR
February 18, 2019 5:57 pm

And New Zealand is no better, also heavily infected with the green sickness. Now suffering with a socialist government as well, the country has been unable to provide enough jobs for its population for a long while now. As a consequence about 13% of New Zealanders live outside of their country, with most of them in Australia where the jobs are.

If Americans want to know what the effects of AOC and GND-type economics would be, just look at Australia and New Zealand, the sick countries of Asia.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  DaveR
February 18, 2019 9:00 pm

What? You mean the green industry hasn’t delivered the thousands of jobs they promised before the elections? You don’t say! Fear not though, NZer’s think it’s better over here in Aus. It isn’t.

William
February 18, 2019 6:24 pm

My thinking is that if there’s even a hint of socialism taking over and running America there are 100’s of thousands of white privileged men manning American military flotillas and land bases who would step in and set things straight. I can’t see them standing and fighting for freedom all these years and then allowing their nation to be taken by the leftist hordes.

John Endicott
Reply to  William
February 19, 2019 5:19 am

I wouldn’t count on it William, There’s a reason leftists have been pushing social engineering onto the American Military for years.

Gamecock
February 18, 2019 6:35 pm

The Left wants to take your stuff. You won’t let them. They tell you ‘“manmade climate change” poses an “existential threat” to people and planet – with only a dozen years before total disaster strikes.’

It has nothing to do with the environment. It is a justification to take your stuff. It will fail. They will produce new reasons why they should take your stuff. It will never end.

The Green New Deal demands that you give up your stuff.

‘It also proclaims an equally urgent need to abandon free enterprise capitalism in favor of 100% socialist economic and “social justice” policies.’

“Social justice” means they can kill you and take your stuff. They don’t necessarily want to kill you, but they want your stuff. If they have to kill you to get it, they will. You might think they are thieves and murderers, but they will tell you they are the good people. Cos reasons.

“Sustainable food” means it’s okay to kill you and take your stuff.

“Inequality” means it’s okay to kill you and take your stuff.

The goal, the mission, the raison d’etre, is to take your stuff. All politics is to convince you to let them take your stuff.

Gamecock
Reply to  Gamecock
February 19, 2019 4:45 am
Gamecock
Reply to  Gamecock
February 19, 2019 11:09 am

“Our campaign is about transforming our country and creating a government based on the principles of economic, social, racial and environmental justice.” – Bernie Sanders 19Feb2019

This is the reality of the American Left. It’s not about weather or child care.

nw sage
February 18, 2019 8:12 pm

Is anyone REALLY REALLY sure that AOC did NOT copy her Green New Deal (or the New Green Deal) from the Onion? Are you certain?

Brooks Hurd
February 18, 2019 9:39 pm

“Meanwhile, the rest of the world will continue to use fossil fuels, emit greenhouse gases, surge ahead of us economically”

And this destruction of the US economy is exactly the goal of AOC and her ilk.

February 19, 2019 1:52 am

Regarding the military taking over when the politicians fail, such as used to happen in Turkey. Well look at a very good film, “Seven days in May”.

MJE

Gerry, England
February 19, 2019 6:03 am

19th century? More like the Dark Ages.

Jim Whelan
Reply to  Gerry, England
February 19, 2019 9:27 am

More like the stone age.

Joe
February 19, 2019 6:59 am

Is it even remotely sensible to imagine that AOC might be a deep cover mole, planted and nurtured by some force such as the Koch brothers to implode the Left in the US?

It makes a nice plot-twist, anyway.

2hotel9
Reply to  Joe
February 19, 2019 7:07 am

Or Trump hired her to insure he gets re-elected! Has she had any contact with production people from The Apprentice in the last few years?

Jim Whelan
February 19, 2019 9:26 am

Why the worry about where the money will come from?

There aren’t enough PEOPLE in the world even with our borders open wide to do all the construction work required to renovate or rebuild every building in the U.S. and build high speed rail connecting every major city, not to mention create the windmills and solar farms to provide all the needed energy.

John Endicott
Reply to  Jim Whelan
February 19, 2019 11:30 am

That precisely the point Jim, AOC isn’t worried about where the money will come from (apparently accounting errors, not actual money, can pay for it in her mind). Anyone with an ounce of fiscal sanity has been pointing out that it’s not doable (the rich don’t have enough money even if you took every cent they had). You are just adding one more reason why it’s not doable. Rather than negate the other reasons its compliments them.

Gamecock
Reply to  John Endicott
February 20, 2019 7:09 am

“the rich don’t have enough money even if you took every cent they had”

The problem with taking everything from the rich is that YOU CAN ONLY DO IT ONCE. Then it’s gone. Wealth isn’t shared, it is destroyed.

John Endicott
Reply to  Gamecock
February 21, 2019 9:30 am

The problem with taking everything from the rich is that YOU CAN ONLY DO IT ONCE. Then it’s gone.

That’s the green goal – make everyone equal (well, everyone except the elites in charge – some animals are more equal than others after all). They just never mention that the way everyone will be equal is by being equally poor.

whiten
February 19, 2019 11:43 am

It is not only AOC problem… is far wider than that.
There is a brand new nation… the Internet one, free, independent, and sovereign in it\s own…
Those who keep ignoring it, will not fare well, whatever way possible to contemplate it…
in whatever way considered as a joke, it will happen to be the last laugh there.
The Internet does not and will not abide to stupidity.
Maybe that is a little bit too much…but for what ever worth, that is how it is in my world.

What world do you really live in, that is the question!
Oh, well, look at your smarty phone or whatever, before contemplating an answer.

Sorry, if this a little bit too much, as put…but ignoring the main engine of the modern world, does not really help…unless in the context of pure blindness and stupidity.

Maybe Anthony not so happy, with this point to be considered…as put here!

Really sorry, maybe due to one too many drinks here… 🙂

cheers

Gwan
February 19, 2019 4:15 pm

At least AOC is only a member of congress and the congress will debate The New Green Dream/deal.
Who votes for these people and elects them to destroy civilization if their dreams are put into practice .
Look what our government is trying to do in New Zealand .
Our young women Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern had a”nuclear” moment and banned all new off shore oil and gas exploration which has been calculated to cost the country 40 Billion dollars with job losses and imports of gas and oil as the remaining fields slow down .
This was not signaled before the election and is virtue signaling to the UN and to hell with us the citizens.
Just this morning economists were calling on the government to work out the cost of this to the country.
This had not been undertaken and is very poor governance .But they just don’t care.
This is the sort of nonsense that you in the USA will have to put up with if your Democrat /socialist party regain the presidency .

Jim
February 19, 2019 4:30 pm

Dick Cheney said the same thing, for different reasons, they are both wrong.

Kyle in Upstate NY
February 20, 2019 2:00 am

The U.S. **is** leading on the climate issue. Sometimes leadership means going against the crowd.

John Endicott
Reply to  Kyle in Upstate NY
February 21, 2019 6:28 am

Indeed. In fact, if you are going with the crowd, you aren’t leading you are following.

Gamecock
February 21, 2019 2:16 pm

Consider this:

The GND calls for “upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification”

‘All.’ That is the key. Most 10 to 20 year old buildings have nothing to gain from ‘upgrading.’ Why say ‘all?’

Because the Green New Deal is the vehicle to deliver communism to the U.S. By making ‘upgrades’ to all U.S. buildings, the government will declare control of all buildings. Did you think they’d upgrade your house for free? After upgrading your house, they will tell you that you now have to house a foreign born family of 8. Don’t worry, though, the family won’t bother you. In year two they’ll tell you to get out.

The Green New Deal isn’t green – it’s Red.

This is NOT a solution to ‘climate change.’ Cortez et al think they have reached the point where they can get communism in the U.S. It should be clear that ‘climate change’ is meerly a phantom to get people to accept communism.

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