Podesta emails: 'Carbon Tax has a Chance if Hillary wins' – but 'it's lethal in general' don't mention it

In case you’ve been under a rock for the last few days, Wikileaks has been dumping emails from Hillary Clinton campaign manager John Podesta. Podesta is firmly in bed with the anti-American interests over at the antithetically named named “Center for American Progress”, home of climate flamer Joe Romm, an organization with yearly funding of over 30 million dollars at last count. I’ve been looking at a few of the emails that talk about climate, and I just had to share this one because it represents so clearly the differences between public and private pronouncements that’s been talked about lately.

 

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Another important passage is:

Policy, is there any chance we go near such a proposal or can we nip this in the bud tonight?

Clearly, they don’t care about “saving the planet” they care about saving their ass in the election. Because “carbon tax” is just too toxic to talk about until after you’ve secured the vote.

You can read the full email here:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8248

You can search the emails here: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/

Interested WUWT readers might find more than I have.

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MarkW
October 13, 2016 7:59 am

Lying in order to get power. How leftist of them.

Leo Smith
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 10:17 am

“Hillary talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing….”
“What kind of person is not interested in those things?”
“HiIlary Clinton?”

Simon
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 13, 2016 3:38 pm

“Janice Moore October 13, 2016 at 3:10 pm
And Simon? I have not hung out in any men’s locker rooms, however, I have overheard just enough male banter along those crude and disgusting lines to know the sad fact: IT IS COMMON FOR MEN TO TALK LIKE THAT. And it is just talk (for the vast majority). Sickening talk, but, a recreational pastime for them. Shrug.”
But here is the undeniable fact, that is seems most now get….using language like that is not a pass time for decent men or hopefully someone running for president. It is beyond belief that anyone with respect for themselves or women could defend him. Which is why I commend the decent republicans for dropping him.

Simon
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 13, 2016 3:46 pm

Chimp October 13, 2016 at 3:43 pm
Simon
October 13, 2016 at 3:39 pm
Why don’t you condemn Hillary Clinton for not dropping her rapist “husband”?”
For the same reason I don’t condemn Trumps wife for the crimes he commits. He needs to own them as does BC. Pretty simple really.

MarkW
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 14, 2016 7:21 am

What are these crimes that Trump is alleged to have committed? Or has your imagination gone into over drive again?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 14, 2016 12:40 pm

[snip – way off topic, language, demeaning -mod]

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 10:47 am

Lying is not the domain of the left. Take a look at the guy running for the right. He has set records that it would be hard to see broken in a lifetime.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 10:56 am

That’s only true if like most leftists, you define a lie as anything that you don’t want to believe.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 11:23 am

What??? A lie is a lie. It is not the truth. Almost all politicians stretch the line between truth and lie, but Trump is an Olympic lier. And that is why Hillary will win. She may not be honest, but he makes her loos a saint.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 11:46 am

Using standard logic, a lie is a lie.
Using leftwing logic, a lie is anything that doesn’t promote the agenda.

Phil R
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 12:28 pm

MarkW,

Using standard logic, a lie is a lie.
Using leftwing logic, a lie is anything that doesn’t promote the agenda.

There, FIFY (if I got my tags right). :>)

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 12:33 pm

Okay Simon. What’s your favorite Trump lie?

craig
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 12:51 pm

Simon,
Please regal me with Trump lying stories. I’m absolutely fascinated to see you contrast Trumps record of ‘lies’ vs clintons.
No, really Simon, enlighten me because I need a good laugh today.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 1:23 pm

craig October 13, 2016 at 12:51 pm
Simon,
“Please regal me with Trump lying stories. I’m absolutely fascinated to see you contrast Trumps record of ‘lies’ vs clintons.”
Where to start. Is the internet big enough to allow me to tell them all. Probably my favourite is the latest. We have him bragging that he can grope and kiss woman because he is famous. Then when woman come out and say he did…. he calls them liars. How stupid does he think the public are? Given he seemed proud of his exploits, I don’t think there is much doubt who is doing the lying here?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 2:44 pm

‘I don’t think there is much doubt who is doing the lying here?’
So, as I expected, you can’t come up with even one. What you DID provide was a typical Progressive misrepresentation of the facts – positively DRIPPING with phony indignation.
Trump said he could pick up women because he was a star. True. An axiom, in fact.
What he said he DIDN’T do was sexual harassment – because what he ALSO said was that no means no, and if they say no that’s the end of it.
Lying may not be the exclusive domain of the Left, but they’re the ones that get away with it.

craig
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 2:45 pm

LOL Simon, thanks for the laughs! Really? That’s all you got? Unsubstantiated allegations which he has refuted? There is not much doubt claims Simon, ok Simon, please lay out the evidence beyond slander that Donald did what these women claim? Sure, he’s a sexist pig but that doesn’t prove he did with respect to the latest claims.
Nah Simon, you’re just all talk and hyperventilation. Like climate science, you rely on consensus and appeal to authority stuff instead of showing the evidence when it comes to building a constructive argument. The very fact that you can’t mention Lying Hillary says it all really. Grow a backbone Simon, America and the western civilisation’s future is at stake here.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 2:54 pm

Joel Snider
“Trump said he could pick up women because he was a star”
No he said “when you are a star you can do anything. Grab them by the pu….” He didn’t mention picking them up. What he talked about was an assault. You or I try doing that and we end up in court. And how many lies do you want. I got a sack full. That was just my favourite one because it has all good people realising what sort of man he is, including many republicans. Great to see the likes of Paul Ryan putting their hand up to say no more the line is crossed.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:05 pm

Simon. Saying, “I could just kick you in the fanny, you are so annoying,” is not an assault.
In the second debate (I clearly recall this, for the male (forgot his name) moderator pushed and pushed to get this response), Trump said that “No, I did not do those things.”
Saying is not doing.
Now, destroying evidence Congress has subpeonaed…. and having those you supervise wipe/bleach/scrub data…… and lying to the F.B.I. …..
that’s doing something.

BFL
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:06 pm

Simon:
“Then when woman come out and say he did…. he calls them liars. How stupid does he think the public are?”
Well one down already, almost no one (except you & ilk of course) will believe any that the MSM trots out (Lona Burnstein was a longtime friend of Crooks):
Lona Burnstein: She is the one from 11 years ago…but I know her family and she is definitely lying… pretty sad actually, nice family
Julian Brachfeld: So when did she even meet Trump ?
Lona Burnstein: She was working as a secretary for some company and she met him that way…he was being nice to her and told her he would contact her for a modeling career and he never did…end of story.
http://archive.is/4AL8t

Janice Moore
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:06 pm

Simon. Saying, “I could just kick you in the fanny, you are so dumb,” is not an a$$ault.
In the second debate (I clearly recall this, for the male (forgot his name) moderat0r pushed and pushed to get this response), Trump said that “No, I did not do those things.”
Saying is not doing.
Now, destroying evidence Congress has subpeonaed…. and having those you supervise wipe/bleach/scrub data…… and lying to the F.B.1. …..
that’s doing something.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:10 pm

And Simon? I have not hung out in any men’s locker rooms, however, I have overheard just enough male banter along those crude and disgusting lines to know the sad fact: IT IS COMMON FOR MEN TO TALK LIKE THAT. And it is just talk (for the vast majority). Sickening talk, but, a recreational pastime for them. Shrug.

Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:23 pm

Simon, the emails show the left is the king of falsehoods and hiding plans the mainstream does not want.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:36 pm

“Trump said he could pick up women because he was a star”
No he said “when you are a star you can do anything. Grab them by the pu….”
Yes, paraphrased. With the emphasis on they’ll LET you do anything.
Actually, the fact that you’re pretending to be outraged over this, especially when the other side of the ticket is the Clintons (both Clintons) is pure hypocrisy. Again, typical. And all this on the heels of the Wikileaks. STILL haven’t come up with your favorite lie yet out of your ‘sack full’.
I think your sack is full, alright.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:39 pm

Simon October 13, 2016 at 3:38 pm
“Janice Moore October 13, 2016 at 3:10 pm
And Simon? I have not hung out in any men’s locker rooms, however, I have overheard just enough male banter along those crude and disgusting lines to know the sad fact: IT IS COMMON FOR MEN TO TALK LIKE THAT. And it is just talk (for the vast majority). Sickening talk, but, a recreational pastime for them. Shrug.”
But here is the undeniable fact, that is seems most now get….using language like that is not a pass time for decent men or hopefully someone running for president. It is beyond belief that anyone with respect for themselves or women could defend him. Which is why I commend the decent republicans for dropping him.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:40 pm

Oh yeah – and the reason you pulled THIS particular scandal (not a lie, btw), Simon, is because it’s what being fed to you in organized fashion. First Anderson Cooper plants the hook, at the debate, after the timed tape release, and then all the prearranged plants arranged by the Clintons – obviously as a counter to the Clinton’s own history – are paraded out over the next week. And the media talks about nothing else.
And of course, Trolls show up on blogs.

Chimp
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:43 pm

Simon
October 13, 2016 at 3:39 pm
Why don’t you condemn Hillary Clinton for not dropping her rapist “husband”?

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:44 pm

Joel Snider October 13, 2016 at 3:36 pm
“Trump said he could pick up women because he was a star”
No he said “when you are a star you can do anything. Grab them by the pu….”
“Yes, paraphrased. With the emphasis on they’ll LET you do anything.”
That’s the thing… he is so arrogant that he thinks they are “letting” him. Did the young girls he walked in on when they were naked in the beauty pageants let him? I doubt it, I think he just walked in. Why… because he is DT. That’s all the permission he needs.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:45 pm

‘It is beyond belief that anyone with respect for themselves or women could defend him. Which is why I commend the decent republicans for dropping him.’
Put on airs, much?
Let’s see, with Bill and Al on board, how many rapists are on the Clinton campaign trail now? And that’s not even close to THEIR biggest scandal.
Get a little perspective.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:47 pm

I doubt it, I think he just walked in. Why… because he is DT. That’s all the permission he needs.
Kind of making up your own facts now, aren’t you? Can’t prove my point any faster. I eagerly await your next pious post.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 3:48 pm

BTW: You still haven’t come up with a lie yet.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 4:41 pm

Joel Snider October 13, 2016 at 3:48 pm
“BTW: You still haven’t come up with a lie yet.”
OK here is a wopper…..
He said…. “the concept of climate change climate change was invented by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing non-competitive.”
That is a lie, wrong, bollocks.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 4:50 pm

Joel Snider October 13, 2016 at 3:47 pm
“I doubt it, I think he just walked in. Why… because he is DT. That’s all the permission he needs.
Kind of making up your own facts now, aren’t you? Can’t prove my point any faster. I eagerly await your next pious post.”
Well perhaps you can explain why an old man thinks he can just walk in on young women getting changed?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 5:19 pm

Simon (at 4:14pm, today): “{Trump} said…. ‘the concept of climate change climate change was invented by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing non-competitive.’
That is a lie, wrong, bollocks.”
1. Where is your cite for that quote? As I recall it, you omitted the word “probably” as in probably invented by the Chinese …
2. A “lie”? — Not if Trump believed that statement to be true when he said it.
3. “Wrong”? — Prove it.
4. “Bollocks”? — Prove it.
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Re: Simon (at 4:50pm, today): You are unfamiliar with fashion modelling (if that is what your comment was about). The models take off and on one outfit after another. It is common for male staff to be in and out of the changing area. That Trump walked through, thus, was: 1) normal in that industry; 2) i.e., the models do not have an expectation of privacy; they know ahead of time they may be glimpsed and they do not care (I and many women would, but, they do not); 3) it would not have afforded him much of a thrill, given how quickly clothing is back on and how very slender the models are….
Re: your mischaracterization of my informing you that many men talk foully and mean nothing by it —
I agree with you that there are MANY men who do NOT do this (and a man striving to please the Lord would try hard not to do it). I also agree with you (and if you had given more careful attention to exactly what I wrote, you would know this already) that it is disgusting behavior. HOWEVER, the fact remains that many highly-qualified to run a business or the country men, who are decent people in general, DO talk like that and it should not disqualify any of them from running for office. And further, that talk is NOT why the RINO’S stabbed him in the back — they used that as one of their flimsy fig leaf excuses.
Finally, Mr. Simon: As of 5:19pm, PST, you have yet to produce even one lie by Donald J. Trump.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 5:47 pm

Janice Moore October 13, 2016 at 5:19 pm
Simon (at 4:14pm, today): “{Trump} said…. ‘the concept of climate change climate change was invented by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing non-competitive.’
That is a lie, wrong, bollocks.”
1. Where is your cite for that quote? As I recall it, you omitted the word “probably” as in probably invented by the Chinese … Not I didn’t. That’s what he said. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en
2. A “lie”? — Not if Trump believed that statement to be true when he said it.
Well if he did then he is guilty of being a fool…. he is not a fool.
3. “Wrong”? — Prove it.”
What? You think the Chinese invented the concept. What? Are you serious?
4. “Bollocks”? — Prove it. ”
No need to, anyone with half a brain knows it is bollocks.
It wasn’t a fashion parade it was a beauty pageant. They found it unacceptable and it is.
Finally, Mr. Simon: As of 5:19pm, PST, you have yet to produce even one lie by Donald J. Trump.”
OK next … He said …. “Hillary Clinton says she wants to, ‘raise taxes on the middle class.’ ” No she doesn’t she wants to raise them on the rich.
He said …”It is Hillary Clinton’s agenda” to “release the violent criminals from jail. She wants them all released.” …. No she doesn’t
He said…. “Frankly, (Hillary Clinton) doesn’t do very well with women.” Depends what you mean by well, but, by his standard she is doing unbelievable well.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 6:26 pm

Simon: You still have yet to produce one lie from Trump.
Your unsupported by any cites to evidence assertions are NOT “production.”
To refute you, I would have to take quite a bit of TIME to find cites. Since you did not take the time to cite to documentary (or other) evidence, I am not going to bother.
Re: the beauty pageant issue — I don’t know the facts, so I cannot comment. That Mr. Trump was inappropriate in what he saw there (if so) would not make me not vote for him, especially given his horrendously U.S. Constitution-destructive, socialist-in-all-but-name, crook of an opponent.
I can say this, however: of the two candidates, the one who will best manage
— the economy,
— energy policy (= economic health, also)
— national security (cyber security/state secrets, our borders and 1s!am!c terrorism)
— the State Department and the Justice Department
the one who will honor and “preserve and protect” the rights we enjoy under the U.S. Constitution is: Donald J. Trump
<blockquote<GO, TRUMP!
#(:))

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 7:15 pm

Janice
I have now given you four clear cut lies. I think you are starting to lie about the lying (I jest).
But here is the thing. I have read a lot of what you have said in the past and I think you have high principles. Christian principles. So it is really puzzles me that people like you, particularly Christian women like you, can overlook how immoral this man is. In my book there seems to be not a shred of decency in him. He will say whatever he needs to to get votes. I get you guys don’t like Hillary, but his levels of honesty plummet below anything I have seen in western politics. I mean, look who is left supporting him? Not the Hispanics, not the African Americans, not the women, I mean not even the the smart republicans. So who is left?

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 7:59 pm

Simon, you are a poster boy with what is wrong with lefty “fact check” stuff and the dissembling and diversions from behavior that costs the American people trillions. Some lies are, indeed worse than others. It’s one thing to be moved to deny some embarrassing thing you were caught out on like pinching a bottom or getting caught on tape saying you did. It is another thing entirely to lie about carelessness with state secrets, or to inveigle voters to vote for you by telling them stuff that you aren’t going to do (you have secret speeches you were paid millions for to assure Wall Street she is telling the people one thing but not to worry she will leave the big banks alone), or to parlay a government job into a pay to play scheme, or to give access to foreign donors to your foundation to the state department …. Hillary’s campaign was basically purloined from Trump and Bernie Sanders because their plans were more attractive to voters, but it is clear she has no intention of honoring her promises (the economy, lousy trade deals, etc.).
I’m sure you were horrified by Russian purported hacking of emails which is the big noise drowning out the fact that the emails are the story we should be horrified about. Gee Russia is compromising the election against Hillary when in reality, the emails are a stunning indictment of the dishonesty and self enrichment of Clinton. Don’t be a sap Simon. Trump’s salacious exploits are not in the league of those like Bill Clinton and JFK and his brothers. Take-away for the easily fooled like yourself: Most presidents in America and around the world have a “bad” track record with women, and JFK was a good president and Bill Clinton wasn’t bad either. Al Gore had his massage parlour amours and he came within 500 votes of being president and no one gave a damn about his peccadillos. If you love your country, don’t let it get into the hands of Hillary Clinton – her lies are dangerous to your health and well-being.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 8:13 pm

Dear Simon,
As an evangelical pastor said recently in the news, I do not agree with some of Trump’s values, but I am with him on the issues (please see above).
As to the “Liar of the Century” award which you seem to be trying to award to Trump. Seriously??? She has him beaten (remember, to win that award you must have lies of a particularly vile nature or of significantly damaging consequence, not mere peccadillos) 100 times over. Her lies are often stupid (e.g., being named for a man years before he achieved the feat that made him well-known around the world; or asserting what could easily be refuted with widely available videos (the “under fire” lie or the “I never said ‘gold standard'” trade deal lie). But, she scores top marks in the “vile” and the “damaging” categories. We’ll get those people who made that video (to the families, TO THEIR FACES, of the Benghazi attack while they watched their loved ones’ bodies being carried from that big plane while the military band softly played, “Abide With Me”).
That Trump is sometimes obnoxious or violates my personal standards is not pleasant to me, but, I can easily set that aside and vote for the person who will best serve to “protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.”
Trump is exceptionally well-qualified to make prudent and wise decisions about the economy. America NEEDS that kind of business acumen and commitment to what makes JOBS happen. He will do a super job of strategic planning and of hiring people to implement those plans to bring Detroit and like Democrat-ruined areas back to life.
And he loves Israel. So do I.
Hillary is just 4 more years of Obama & Co. and nearly every foreign policy action they have taken in the Middle East (millions of dollars to fund that viper Iran, Israel’s sworn enemy, for instance) has been harmful to Israel. God told Abraham that he would bless those who bless Israel (and curse those who curse it). (Genesis 12:3). And throughout history, you can see that this is exactly what happened. Does the Babylonian Empire exist today? The Roman? The Ottoman? The Third Reich? They each thought they would last forever.
So, too, I hope that (we just cannot know God’s timetable — but, it is coming) this is the year that God says of the Democrats with their largely anti-Israel policy choices, “Enough.” Part of one prayer that I regularly pray is (I’m quoting myself verbatim), ” … and please punish Dope and his thugs for any shabby treatment of Israel, not our country as a whole.” Netanyahu said to the joint session of Congress as he pleaded with them to not support that terrible Iran deal, (from memory, only) “… we will go it alone if we have to.” But, Israel is never alone: El Shaddai is their “refuge and strength, an everpresent help in trouble.” (Psalm 46) God will never abandon Israel completely. They are “the apple of his eye.” (Zechariah 2:8)
So! Bottom line: even with all his failings, Donald Trump is the best choice for the freedom and prosperity of the average citizen of America.
And there are MANY blacks, Latinos, gays, and members of other typically in-the-tank-for-the-Dem-no-matter-what groups VOTING FOR TRUMP. And, I daresay, many women. (ahem!)
Simon, Simon, ask yourself, “Why? Why am I so strongly and persistently defending Hillary? Is it because I have a loathing for ____? or am bitter about ____? or I am getting back at so and so?” Just think about it, that’s all.
Christians and Jews (we share all the same basic values) and members of other belief groups that value honesty and honor women ALSO value our freedom and economic prosperity. We can all vote for that! And that, in this election, means we will vote for Trump.
I hope, Simon, that we can talk more along these lines, in the months (and years!) to come here at WUWT, a wonderful place to learn (smile)!
Take care,
Janice

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 8:18 pm

“Take-away for the easily fooled like yourself: Most presidents in America and around the world have a “bad” track record with women, and JFK was a good president and Bill Clinton wasn’t bad either”
Yes but DT has a bad track record before he is president. Can you imagine the damage he would do after he got the job? And as for your Hillary did this Hillary did that… same thing. She has been in a position to make those mistakes, Donald hasn’t . What could this guy do if he was sitting in the seat. It is beyond thinking about.

lee
Reply to  Simon
October 13, 2016 11:31 pm

“Yes but DT has a bad track record before he is president”
And JFK and BC didn’t? The womanising came on them suddenly after the Presidency? LOL
You need to do some research.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 14, 2016 12:20 am

Janice Moore
Firstly thank you for such a complete reply. There is no denying your passion. I have no doubt you are genuine in your support for DT. I could spend time debating what you have said here, but I think it would only waste our time. We are so divided. I can’t accept that DT is anything but an opportunist who is puffing his ego with this whole thing, and will not care a jot how many casualties he takes down with him. You on the other hand support him. One of us is right. Thank you for your polite conversation. Not everyone here is so courteous. I appreciate it.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Simon
October 14, 2016 6:52 am

Dear Simon,
Re: 12:20AM, today
You’re welcome.
Sincerely,
Janice

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
October 14, 2016 7:23 am

Simon, if that’s the best you can do, then you should just hang your head in shame and go home.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
October 14, 2016 7:26 am

Funny that you defend the Clintons who have done worse.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 14, 2016 11:14 am

MarkW October 14, 2016 at 7:26 am
“Funny that you defend the Clintons who have done worse.”
Did I? Where?

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 15, 2016 10:54 am

MarkW
Still waiting for you to point out where I defended the Clintons. Or are you just using the Trump strategy of lie quickly and repeatedly so no one can catch up with them or you?

Reply to  Simon
October 16, 2016 1:54 pm

Wow this is a very long thread…I just want to point out to Simon that despite all the posing, shaming, and “horror” being declared by ranking democrats over Trumps disgusting remarks. All of them: Michell Obama, the President, Biden the media are well aware of big wig democrats who are horndogs as wildly out of control as Bill Clinton ever was. That’s acts resulting in sex…not “stealing a kiss” or “coping a feel”…that would make the number of guilty democratic big wigs unmanageable. The hypocrisy is stunning. In the last two months the Clinton campaign has requested and received help from Al Gore who was himself reported to the Portland, Oregon Police for inappropriate behavior with a licensed masseuse in his hotel room by the woman herself the night it happened in the last two years. The hypocrisy is stunning.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
October 16, 2016 5:34 pm

fossilsage
So what… they are not running for president of the United States. Chump is.

JohnB
Reply to  Simon
October 17, 2016 7:38 pm

The funny part is that all those, like Simon who are just so shocked that Trump may have walked into a dressing room have obviously never worked in a major production of that type. People walk in and out all the time, been there, done that.
Only people who are literally clueless about reality think that separate dressing rooms and nobody walking around is the norm. (The exception is of course kiddies.)

Carbon BIgfoot
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 11:02 am

Just in time for the election National Geographic and Obummer’s Waterboy, bed wetter Leonardo DiCaprio is airing a Climate Plus “Special” October 30th. See the trailer on Directv 276. How much jet fuel did he and his entourage use for this exercise. Probably on the Taxpayer’s Dollar. These people are shameless.

October 13, 2016 8:04 am

Most of Hillary’s response to Wikileaks has been to blame the Russians, not answering the leaks as such.

BFL
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 13, 2016 8:20 am

I like this from Scott Adams on the latest Trump groping claims (which Adams says is “too engineered for a civilian to concoct during an interview”) because (he says) unless the claims can be shot down then Hillary is sure to win because of the women’s vote which then makes them responsible:
“The next four years are likely to be some of the worst in our country’s history. The Republican establishment will make sure of that because a failed America is in their best interest in the short run. Four years from now they want to offer their chosen savior (Paul Ryan).” . “She’ll be buried in scandals, both real and imagined. Hillary Clinton is all yours, ladies. She and her alleged rapist husband are your brand now. Wear them well.”
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151737656851/the-era-of-women#_=_

Harry Passfield
Reply to  BFL
October 13, 2016 9:20 am

The thing that struck me most about the interview with the ‘octopus woman’ I heard on the BBC was, a) she accused Trump of coming at her like an octopus – with SIX arms; and b) she said that Trump started off by trying to fondle her upper body, and that, if he had just stayed doing that she was quite open to it. It was only, she said, when he went up her skirt that she drew the line and moved back to coach.
If you wrote a soap script like this you’d get shown the door.

commieBob
Reply to  BFL
October 13, 2016 11:03 am

Reading farther down on Scott Adams’ blog we find that he has become the victim of the social justice warriors. His speaking engagements have gone to zero and they’re starting to put up bogus reviews of his books on Amazon. In other words, they’re going after his income.
They remind me of the Red Guards.

The most gruesome aspects of the campaign included numerous incidents of torture, murder, and public humiliation. Many people who were targets of ‘struggle’ could no longer bear the stress and committed suicide. In August and September 1966, there were 1,772 people murdered in Beijing alone. In Shanghai there were 704 suicides and 534 deaths related to the Cultural Revolution in September. In Wuhan there were 62 suicides and 32 murders during the same period.

These social justice warriors and the postmodern ‘scholars’ who abet and inspire them are really nasty business.

BFL
Reply to  BFL
October 13, 2016 12:18 pm

“Former businesswoman Jessica Leeds, 74, told The New York Times that Trump groped her on a flight in the early 1980s as they sat next to each other in first class.”
And this was on an aircraft apparently with stewardess nearby so all she had to do was complain or scream; so obviously made up….

Reply to  BFL
October 13, 2016 12:38 pm

Leeds also has Trump raising the armrest between first class seats, which would be very difficult with first class seats with fixed armrests.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  BFL
October 13, 2016 10:03 pm

“Leeds also has Trump raising the armrest between first class seats, which would be very difficult with first class seats with fixed armrests.”
Really? All of them? Ever? I’m pretty sure back then in some planes you could remove the armrests in order to have the whole row.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 13, 2016 8:26 am

Notice the diversion she is attempting.
She completely ignores the contents of the e-mails, but tries to divert attention to the Russians for stealing and leaking them.
(Of course this assumes that it actually is the Russians who are responsible. She has never proven that part.)

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 9:15 am

A suspected leak was that guy Rich, who is suspected of leaking the DNC leaks which showed the primaries were rigged for Clinton, and Sanders was thrown under a bus. Sanders took it lying down too, but seems to have ended up with a nice new property conveniently.
Politics is clearly an illusion, is anyone even remotely believing otherwise these days?
As for the allegations against Trump, Hillary Clinton corruption allegations are going since the 70s n Nixon, Trump’s only appeared after he started running, it’s patently obvious what is happening.
CNN NBC are not media folks,neither is NYT WAPO. They are an extension of the gov.

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 9:16 am

We cant ask Rich, cos he was shot in the back walking down the street in a reported robbery where nothing was stolen from his person

Janice Moore
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 9:17 am

Yes!
As with all the racism the Democrats love to fan into flame to sway voters, e.g., Black Lives Matter, Crooked wants us not {to paraphrase a true civil rights/anti-racial discrimination leader} to consider the content of the e mails nor the substance of the felonious conflict of interest charges, that empty shell wants voters to consider only about the color she can paint them.
Heh. Pretty lousy paint job, really. Melts and drips off at the slightest exposure to light and heat.
As C. S. Lewis remarked about politicians in a letter in the 1950’s (paraphrasing):
It is not surprising that the {socialist politicians} lie. What is remarkable is that they lie so badly.
Martha Stewart went to prison just for telling a half-truth to a federal agent!!!! She was not guilty of the underlying crime. Yet-to-Be-Convicted Felon Hillary is guilty of both.

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 9:24 am

The great conspiracy HuffPo WAPO CNN and all the other Liberal outlets are pushing it Trump Putin and Wikileaks all working together.
This is literally as bad as the “International space station is really in a swimming pool” conspiracy theory

Janice Moore
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 9:44 am

That’s right, Mark in Helsinki.
1. John Asche

June 22, 2016, Former United Nations General Assembly President John Ashe was found dead in His New York home, and the cause of death was reported as a heart attack, … the local Dobbs Ferry police said ‘his throat had been crushed, presumably by a barbell he dropped while pumping iron.’ … Ashe was scheduled to testify in just days with Chinese businessman and co-defendant Ng Lap Seng, who was accused of smuggling $4.5 million into the U.S. and lying that it was to buy casino chips and more….

(Source: http://www.teaparty.org/clinton-death-list-33-intriguing-cases-183385/ )
2. Seth Rich

… On July 8, 2016, 27 year-old Democratic staffer Seth Conrad Rich was murdered in Washington DC. The killer or killers took nothing from their victim, leaving behind his wallet, watch and phone. … Julian Assange: ‘Whistleblowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks. As a 27 year-old, works for the DNC, was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington. …’ …

(Source: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/wow-breaking-video-julian-assange-suggests-seth-rich-wikileaks-dnc-source-shot-dead-dc/ )
3. Shawn Lucas

Aug. 2, 2016, On July 3, attorney Shawn Lucas, 38, helped serve the DNC with a lawsuit claiming then-DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz “rigged the primary for Hillary Clinton.”
The complaint was served before Wasserman Schultz resigned amid the Wikileaks email scandal on July 24.
Less than one month after he helped serve the lawsuit, Lucas’ girlfriend found him dead in his bathroom. …

(Source: http://www.teaparty.org/clinton-death-list-33-intriguing-cases-183385/ )

BFL
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 12:29 pm

Janice, also note attachments to court ruling of the Foster investigation. The good stuff starts on page 6 and of course never made the MSM:
http://fbicover-up.com/ewExternalFiles/Purdue%20University%20Vol.2.pdf

Phil R
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 12:34 pm

Janice Moore,
As C. S. Lewis remarked about politicians in a letter in the 1950’s (paraphrasing):

It is not surprising that the {socialist politicians} lie. What is remarkable is that they lie so badly.

With respect, a slight correction:
It is not surprising that the {socialist politicians} lie. What is remarkable is that they lie so spectacularly and openly.
(In other words, they do it so well.) :>)

Janice Moore
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 1:33 pm

BFL: Thanks for sharing that. Ugh! So, the Clintons used the Justice Dept. as their personal “protection” agency and now, the State Dept. as their personal money-making machine. Revolting.
God sees. God will act. Justice will, in the end, catch up to them. Pray that it happens before Election Day, 2016.

Horace Jason Oxboggle
Reply to  MarkW
October 14, 2016 12:43 am

Must be a vast Left wing conspiracy! Who’d a thunk it?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  MarkW
October 14, 2016 1:16 pm

@ Janice Moore – October 13, 2016 at 9:44 am
Janice, here is another “needle” job to add to your list of names.

William Joseph Casey (March 13, 1913 – May 6, 1987) was the Director of Central Intelligence from 1981 to 1987. In this capacity he oversaw the entire United States Intelligence Community and personally directed the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
The day before Casey was scheduled to testify before Congress related to his knowledge of the Iran–Contra affair, Casey suffered two seizures and was hospitalized. Three days later, Casey underwent surgery for a previously undiagnosed brain tumor.[1]
Casey died of a brain tumor in 1987 at the age of 74.

Read more @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Casey

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 13, 2016 9:22 am

There is actually 0 evidence of Russia doing anything, and the only ones who claim it was Russia want to believe it was Russia.
I know for a fact, IT is my field, that if you do not catch seasoned hackers in the act you will not be able to identity them.

Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 11:39 am

Besides which, the Russian connection just doesn’t seem credible to me. We’re supposed to believe that a state actor hacked these emails then released them to wikileaks? Nope, if the Russians had done it they’d do what they always do. Keep it secret. Now that they’re being blamed, they’re doing what they always do. Say nothing and let their nefarious reputation grow without having to actually do anything.
The Russians are so concerned about Hillary and/or they like Trump so much that they would do something like this? Puhhleeez

Caligula Jones
Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 12:25 pm

Well, we live in a world where the Sony leak was blamed on North Korea, and Benghazi was blamed on a film that three people on the planet had seen.
The don’t even aim for credible anymore. This is the Kardashian generation.

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 1:03 pm

“This is the Kardashian generation.” Nuff said CJ

Bryan A
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 13, 2016 2:32 pm

Well of course it is…Don B Ridiculus…we all know that Darling Hillary wouldn’t have written those nassty e-mailzes so it musta been doze ruskies dat rote em

Horace Jason Oxboggle
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 14, 2016 12:36 am

Wouldn’t be ‘a vast Left wing conspiracy? Thank God bi-planes and tri-planes are no longer available to become blamees!

October 13, 2016 8:17 am

Do we know who “re47” is?

Reply to  Anthony Watts
October 13, 2016 8:48 am

Anthony, thanks for clarifying. So that’s Clinton’s campaign manager, saying he’s strongly against a carbon tax.

Marcus
Reply to  Anthony Watts
October 13, 2016 9:11 am

“strongly against a carbon tax.”…Until AFTER her election…

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Anthony Watts
October 13, 2016 9:17 am

They are against talking about a carbon tax. Big difference, the issue is toxic right now, after a win, it’s open season

hunter
October 13, 2016 8:29 am

The “carbon tax” is merely the first step. Silencing critics and skeptics is the next step. Punishing the same is after that. Think a global Venezuela.

Marcus
October 13, 2016 8:50 am

“Interested WUWT readers might find more than I have.”….
Release the hounds !!
I hope everything found is forwarded to President Trump…

betapug
October 13, 2016 9:04 am

Canada’s newly elected Justin Trudeau made a beeline for his mentors with two appointments with the Center for American (not Canadian) Progress on his first Washington visit. With his closest friend and strategic advisor, Gerald Butts a former Big Green WWF executive, the just sprung plan to force the Provinces to price “carbon” looks like US extraterritoriality at a distance.

MarkG
Reply to  betapug
October 14, 2016 7:13 am

But the Carbon Tax is already working. He only had to announce it, and Canada started having record snowfalls a few days later.

Janice Moore
October 13, 2016 9:04 am

Yet another example of forked tongue Clinton’s “two positions, one public, one private” (not an exact quote) modus operandi.
Clinton (at 2nd debate): (quoting from memory) “Well, (hyuck, hyuck, ghastly grin) uh, actually…. I was quoting Abraham Lincoln at the time {at Wall St. fundraiser}…. .”
Historian: Then, you GROSSLY mischaracterized Abraham Lincoln. He had only one POLICY. He always had a private opinion that slavery was wrong, but, his one and only policy for which he did any significant action to make happen was what he publicly stated — the public was not ready to fight for slavery, just to preserve the Union. LATER, he changed his one and only policy to include emancipation, for the public opinion had shifted. That he privately had a personal opinion and desire was NOT to lie about his what his real policy was to gain votes, as Clinton did (to get the Sanders/lib base votes).
She slandered ABRAHAM LINCOLN!!!
Deplorable!

Rob Morrow
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 13, 2016 9:16 am

I think a large portion of the public wants to be fooled by her obvious duplicity. Getting fooled is easier than thinking for yourself. And after all, Hillary’s a sweet innocent virtuous grandmother type. She wouldn’t fool us.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/8/89/Mom's_fatsuit.png

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Rob Morrow
October 13, 2016 9:18 am

Truth is the liberal mindset, as in political liberal, not liberally minded, is primed for media propaganda, and willful ignorance

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Rob Morrow
October 13, 2016 9:19 am

Which is all rooted in a faux moral emotional outlook which leaves them utterly open to manipulation.
Most young liberals are the daycare generation from the 90s, who never got enough love, and now want colleges to create homes for them and give them the love and attention they never got in daycare

Marcus
Reply to  Rob Morrow
October 13, 2016 9:29 am

..Exactly Mark, that is why they need “Safe Spaces” on college campus’s ..They were never taught how to handle reality !

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Rob Morrow
October 13, 2016 8:22 pm

I don’t think they want to believe her. I think those that do are an unquestioning product of lefty education that has been implanted across the nation (and in Canada). Make sure you have a big hand in your children’s education to give them balance that is not provided.

Marcus
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 13, 2016 9:21 am

[snip]

Marcus
Reply to  Marcus
October 13, 2016 4:27 pm

….But this following, nonsense video, is OK ?? No wonder I am confused !

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 13, 2016 9:30 am

Did you watch the debate? I watched it closely, her eyes crossed at least 6 times, what the eph. She sat down 30 times and when heckled previously at a rally, she went completely blank, secret service has to actually tell her to keep talking!
She has Parkinson’s definitely

BFL
Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 12:48 pm

Nah, she’s actually “not from this earth”:

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 13, 2016 9:31 am

Soros and Steyer just want to get her into the Oval, they know she is not fit to lead, once in, they run the show

Marcus
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 13, 2016 10:02 am

..Hi Janice, great post as always…by the way, we were wrong…I still seem to be on moderation….( I think because I used the word “F.A.R.T.” )..The moderator called it a “disgusting habit” ??..seriously ?
[No, that’s just one example. Your irrelevant one-liners, often off-topic, often with some unnecessary language or snide remarks towards other commenters, is the reason you are on moderation. You’ve been told this many times, yet you persist in the same exact habits. You are the biggest moderation load I have. Why not just stop acting this way? Anthony]

Marcus
Reply to  Marcus
October 13, 2016 11:43 am

…so are you still claiming that ” F.A.R.T.” is a disgusting habit even though it is a naturally occurring bodily function ??….In the words of a great general …N.U.T.S. !! I think I will just come back as a new “person”…Not hard to do…I have 5 computers and 3 .IP.’s…..Your moderation has become silly….

Janice Moore
Reply to  Marcus
October 13, 2016 11:55 am

Hi, Marcus,
I’m sorry. Bummer!
I think you were off moderation for awhile …. . Try to think of WUWT as Anthony’s living room. Remember what HIS personal standards are. If you need a little mental device to help (and boy, do I hope SOMETHING will help, because I want you to be off moderation — it makes me feel sad and I don’t like being sad! (sadder, I mean)) try picturing this:
Marcus is chatting her living room with the woman (not some lumberjack or tart of a woman, lol — with parents to match) of his dreams whose elderly parents are in the kitchen with their ears to the door. Write only what you would say in front of them.
This is not to equate Anthony with these people. It is just to give you a little “visual aid” as a reminder.
Your spontaneity is delightful — unfortunately, your brakes need a little work. (mine do too, esp. in speaking; I can sympathize)
Take care and hang in there — Anthony is a greathearted man. IF you can do as he asks, he will, I am quite certain, give you another chance.
Put a post-it note on your screen!! or something!!!!!
#(:))
Janice

Janice Moore
Reply to  Marcus
October 13, 2016 12:07 pm

P.S. Thank you!
P.P.S. Just read your half-serious (not serious — nooooo! don’t do it!) remarks at 11:43am. If I were you…. I would give myself a day off from WUWT. Do something (else) fun. Take a deep breath and just accept “the way things are” and respect Anthony’s request. Do it for those of us (I know Aphan would likely be one) who want you to stay. OKAY?

u.k(us)
Reply to  Marcus
October 13, 2016 12:43 pm

@ Marcus,
You have exhausted Anthony’s patience.
Not a good position to be in.

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Marcus
October 13, 2016 1:06 pm

I believe in Tanzania vent a bad one in public, it’s a criminal offense. Same for the verbal version on WUWT. When in Rome Marcus, when in Rome

Marcus
Reply to  Marcus
October 13, 2016 3:31 pm

..No, I apologize for the comment Anthony…Even I would not disrespect your wishes that much…

Marcus
Reply to  Marcus
October 13, 2016 3:33 pm

..And they are not ALL one liners….kinda / sorta….?

South River Independent
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 13, 2016 11:06 pm

Lincoln did not believe that blacks were equal to whites. He wanted to move them out of the country. He used emancipation to achieve his primary objective to keep the Southern states in the Union to benefit the business interests of the industrial Northern states. Abe was not honest. He was a politician and he violated the Constitution whenever he needed to in order to achieve his objectives. Lincoln’s illegal war against Southern Independence was, like all wars, about economics.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  South River Independent
October 14, 2016 1:49 pm

The literal fact is ….. that the resident population living in the western part of the State of Virginia DID NOT vote to succeed from the State of Virginia on account of they didn’t want to be living in a “slave state”.
The literal facts are, Lincoln ceded western Virginia away from the State of Virginia to create the State of West Virginia, ….. (which by the way was a DIRECT violation of the COTUS). …… because he wanted control of the Railroads from Baltimore/Washington, DC to the Ohio River ……… otherwise Lincoln knew he would lose the War.

joelobryan
October 13, 2016 9:07 am

“So if there’s a way to re-state principles and say she’ll announce something in the next few weeks, that would be great.”

Translation:
“Say the old lie until we can formulate a new lie to replace.”

mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 9:09 am

Nicely dug out Anthony and WUWT relative, as this subject can go wayyyyy off on a tangent given the contents of the eye popping last three leaks.
There is a lot of “private” vs “public” positions in the Clinton campaign, especially with Wall Street, and her grovelling to Goldman Sachs to fix the crash they caused, which showed who is really running things.
This is yet another “private” position that is hidden from the voter, carbon tax is as a campaign killer and they know it.

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 9:09 am

I started to veer off there, but pulled myself back 🙂

RWturner
October 13, 2016 9:21 am

And if Trump actually wanted to win the election he’d be putting Hillary on the spot over issues such as this, which the vast majority of voters do not support.

MarkW
Reply to  RWturner
October 13, 2016 11:02 am

The Podesta e-mail in which he talks about Hillary hating average Americans should be made into an ad and run continuously from now till election day.

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  RWturner
October 13, 2016 1:08 pm

The Liberal media are the problem, they are working with the democrats. Literally. Bill Clinton as per leaks was given the questions before an interview.
CNN is literally the CIA, I am not even joking.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  RWturner
October 13, 2016 8:28 pm

He and his managers should have known that debates are two against one – the Democrat opponent and the network/moderator and that most of the mass media are research organizations for the left. That he is where he is despite all and his own naivety in politics tells you just how bad Clinton is both as a person and as a leader for a free nation.

TA
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 14, 2016 9:43 am

Well said, Gary.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 14, 2016 1:58 pm

And they announced what the “topics” will be for the next debate, …..which gives Hillary a chance to research and memorize her responses.
And with Chris Wallace being the Moderator, ….. Hillary gets awarded “10 points” even before the debate begins.

Manfred Kintop
October 13, 2016 9:23 am

Our Dear Leader in the grand socialist utopia of Albertastan didn’t have the words Carbon Tax anywhere in her platform. Once elected, it becomes a huge part of her Climate Leadership propagan…er..program. She and her smarmy “we know what’s best for you” cohorts are now Leading the Climate with a tax that will ultimately do nothing except redistribute wealth.

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Manfred Kintop
October 13, 2016 9:27 am

Your gov is in the pocket of the UN mate

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Manfred Kintop
October 13, 2016 9:27 am

The UN has been infiltrating governments for years.

mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 9:26 am

“Cogistix @FindAnotherGear
@DRUDGE thousands of deleted emails released & none about yoga or preparations for Chelsea’s wedding!”
baaahahahahaha

Janice Moore
Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 9:47 am

Nice laugh, Mark. 🙂

Phil R
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 13, 2016 12:41 pm

He forgot the “w” (and the “!!!”).
bwaaahahahahaha!!!

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 13, 2016 1:09 pm

Bwaahahaha. heh heh heeeeeh

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 13, 2016 2:44 pm

Lol, Phil, you KNEW why I wrote that. And, good for you, Mark, heh, heh.
And laughter is good medicine, so…..
Bwah, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
#(:))

Eugene WR Gallun
October 13, 2016 9:27 am

Off topic but i need to vent —
BOB DYLAN HAS BEEN AWARDED THE NOBEL PRIZE IN LITERATURE???????????????
What the FK!!!!!!!!!! Giving Al Gore the Nobel Peace Prize makes more sense than this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Giving O’Bummer the Nobel Peace Prize makes more sense than this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Back in the sixties i was a big Bob Dylan fan and I can still listen to him — but his lyrics are childish and his topics left wing dribble. And he was wrong about everything he ever sang about. Probably his most famous line —
“You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows” —
certainly got the direction of the wind wrong. DISCO WENT BIG!.
Commercial? When Christian rock looked like it had a future he, a good Jewish boy, started writing Christian themed songs trying to revive a disappeared career. He has been musically dead for the last forty years.
Nostalgia seems the driving force behind his award — the old men in Stockholm wanting vindication for the ridiculous antics of their youth. This award to Bob Dylan is just one last burning tire thrown into the street and it smells just as bad.
Eugene WR Gallun

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
October 13, 2016 9:32 am

Eugene we know Nobels became irrelevant decades ago. They are now awarded for the sake of keeping the actual prize relevant

MarkW
Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 11:04 am

The science ones aren’t completely corrupt.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
October 13, 2016 11:17 am

Eugene, he had one line spot on: “Money doesn’t talk, it swears” (It’s all Right Ma)
(My personal laureate would have been L Cohen – at least his dalliance with Joplin was more productive than Dylan’s with Baez, song-wise*)
*Chelsea Hotel, for those who don’t know.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  Harry Passfield
October 13, 2016 3:32 pm

Harry Passfield —
A couple one liners do not a Nobel Laureate make. 99% of what Dylan has written is poetic junk. Lift it out of the music and it becomes obvious.
As to “Chelsea Hotel” — i wrote the little ditty below quite a few years ago. The line from “Chelsea Hotel” — “Well never mind, we are ugly but we have the music” — reminded me of it.
The poem was actually written as an exercise in various line rhythms — compare lines 11 and 12 for the most obvious example. Instead of “The Magic” is could almost be called “The Music”. The pointlessness of it is the point of it.
THE MAGIC
We make our way among half-savage tribes
Whose Art is to destroy, whose strength is great
Their Temples are bloody, we pay them bribes
To camp in the shadows outside their gate
To their pride, through the day, we bend our knee
Yet in fear for themselves they broach our tent
And they praise — or they beg — but pay our fee
To unravel the dream their god has sent
Staring at stars as if gaining their light
We nod and say as if we comprehend
“Certainty only is certain of flight
On wings of change that none can call or send!”
So has it been and will always be so
For the magic we make — they do not know
Eugene WR Gallun

mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 9:33 am

A carbon tax will be devastating on the US economy.

MarkW
Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 11:05 am

That’s the idea.
1) Devastate the economy
2) Provide a lot of money to government so that they can buy the loyalty of those voters who were put out of work by the carbon tax.

Leigh
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 1:06 pm

We in Australia who had a CO/2 taxed forced upon us by a socialist left “leader”,for want of a better word. Found the majority of the monies raised by this short lived (a little under 2 years) “breathing tax”. Some 7 billion dollars of it, before it was removed by a conservative government, was funneled into the UN’s coffers to save the planet.
Remembering we are only a piss ant country of some 23 million people!
As with Clinton, another socialist, she intends to inflict it on the American people. Unannounced till after the election but we’ll and truly planned for before the election.
Our socialist prime minister Gillard did exactly the same thing. She, Gillard is besties with your Clinton and her Clinton foundation. Which Gillard, while Prime minister so generosity donated to on my behalf!
Be afraid America be very afraid for the carbon tax being but another piece of the socialist agenda.

BruceC
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 1:58 pm

Remember it well Leigh

Janice Moore
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2016 2:50 pm

“Why did you lie to us?”
Woman confronting J. Gillard in Brisbane (2011)

(youtube)

Patrick MJD
Reply to  MarkW
October 14, 2016 2:37 am

She sold her Adelaide house for ~AU$2mil IIRC (I am confident that taxpayers owned that property, but didn’t get to benefit from a sale). She is hoping to find a job at the UN, just like Kevin Rudd. Not bad for someone from Barry, Wales. Pity the whole South Australian state power grid went down on Green energy policies.

Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 11:05 am

Not to mention what it will do to those of us on fixed retirement incomes. It might become a choice between eating or staying warm in the winter.

MarkW
Reply to  Don Perry
October 13, 2016 11:50 am

These same people have been saying for years that the earth is over populated.

October 13, 2016 9:33 am

None of this will change a single mind. All of her voters are already thinking “yeah, so what? Seems prudent to me.”

MarkW
Reply to  Bruckner8
October 13, 2016 11:06 am

When Obama switched his “heart felt” position on gay marriage after he was elected, a lot of leftists that I know stated that they knew Obama was lying during the election. It was just one of those things he had to do in order to get elected.
They were proud of him for being able to get away with it.

BFL
Reply to  Bruckner8
October 13, 2016 3:12 pm

Not until the bills start going through the roof, but then too late as it takes a long time to unwind those if even possible to do so.

John B
October 13, 2016 9:34 am

Can you imagine if the Trump people claimed that Hillary was conspiring with Russia to rig the election?
The media would go crazy calling the Trump people conspiracy theorists, wackos, etc. Every late night show would make fun of them mercilessly.
But Hillary and Obama claim the Russians are hacking the emails to hurt Hillary and the MSM repeats this claim over and over – and will continue to do this until the election. No proof or evidence needed.

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  John B
October 13, 2016 1:11 pm

It’s now a matter of fact that Hillary’s foundation received donations from Russia while Hillary’s state department gave Russia control over 25% of US Uranium. There was also a shipment sent from Japan, where MUCH US uranium is located. Make no mistake, Japan also has nukes.

Marcus
Reply to  John Bills
October 13, 2016 9:55 am

Hillary Clinton, the easiest politician money can buy !!

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  Marcus
October 13, 2016 1:18 pm

She serves her masters, she is nothing more than a henchwoman who makes billions sitting in the cut.
The Soros leaks also show that they see wonderful opportunities in the refugee crisis. Now what could they be?
The UN is under the same yoke, Soros Rockefeller, heck it’s not even remotely Con sp1r4cy theory these days. Mind you the lib media will have you believe it is.
All the so called “crazy” theories of yesteryear are panning out, 1980s “Government is watching everything we do” – UK mass surveillance on the UK population began in…. yup, 1984, to them it’s a road map.
Of course mass surveillance wont stop terrorism if they are watching us, and the same people who control the mass surveillance also control the terrorists. Given ties to Saudis and Saudi ties to ISIS, cmon.. if its not pantently obvious.
No wonder you had world leaders ragging on Con spir acy the ori es, like David Cameron at the UN “Conspiracy theorists are non violent extremists as bad as ISIS”
Now france is about to pass law censoring what they label as con spir acy the or ies from the internet within France.
Sweden censors internet too, this I have seen. That country is being destroyed by the UN migrant policy.
Finland has taken LOTS of immigrants and refugees via UN and now the EU wants to ship in many more.
It’s a great way to destroy national identity for the coming global gov.

Marcus
Reply to  Marcus
October 13, 2016 4:23 pm

..Mark, that is why ALL politicians, from both party’s, fear a President Trump !! He is not one of them…He has not been bought !

adam
Reply to  John Bills
October 13, 2016 10:10 am

To what data do the “20” and “40” refer? Seems that this was part of a speech or PR. Was the change legit, ie based on research?

RealOldOne2
October 13, 2016 10:05 am

The most significant thing about this email is the admission that a carbon tax is not about climate, but about a new tax to raise revenues.
“Shumer, the Senate Democrats’ leader-in-waiting, said that a Clinton presidency and a return of his party to the Senate majority in 2017 could pave the way for lawmakers to enact a carbon tax to help fund the government.”
The climate change alarmist meme is just the trojan horse vehicle to accomplish adding a new tax.

adam
Reply to  RealOldOne2
October 13, 2016 10:13 am

That’s going to be an economy killer. If you’re voting for Clinton in the hopes that the economy will improve, this is exhibit A to the contrary.

Billy Liar
Reply to  RealOldOne2
October 13, 2016 12:30 pm

At least the European Window Tax was completely open about its purpose and didn’t rely on crooked science to determine the amount:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_tax

Terry Warner
October 13, 2016 10:39 am

For all politicians the goal is to get elected. They want people to love them. They don’t want to say anything that may alienate a voter – particularly those who may be persuaded to vote for them.
Almost no one achieves high office or great wealth with a clean back story – power corrupts etc. Possibly the only people that could claim great achievement built on unflinching principles and morality are Nelson Mandela, Ghandi and the Son of G-d – and I’m not sure about the first two!!
Both Trump and Clinton are hugely flawed individuals. But as leader of the free world do you want someone possessed of a supreme egotistical arrogance capable of great strengths and profound stupidity, or one who may spend a few billion on futile energy initiatives.

Margaret Smith
Reply to  Terry Warner
October 13, 2016 10:55 am

Hmm…tough one, Terry.

Reply to  Terry Warner
October 13, 2016 11:17 am

The difference between the two for me is that Trump, as a business man, will likely surround himself with able advisers and, being neither black nor female, will be impeached should he go beyond what congress will tolerate. Clinton is, on the other hand, a known corrupt individual who likely will appoint to the supreme court individuals who will bring to fruition the “fundamental change” to the US that has been the stated goal of Democrats. With her election, we can kiss the second amendment good-bye. Climate policies between the two couldn’t be more diametrically opposed, either. To minimize the Clinton position as “a few billion on futile energy initiatives” borders on biased political nonsense.

Editor
Reply to  Terry Warner
October 13, 2016 2:38 pm

To me, the tragedy is that the Republicans have been suckered into choosing the one and only candidate who could lose the presidential election to Hillary Clinton. All the media has to do in order to make Clinton president – and they are doing it assiduously – is to keep the focus on Trump.
These two are not just the least popular candidates in a long time, they are surely also the absolute worst. Al Gore included (and I thought I would never be able to say that).
Sad times.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Mike Jonas
October 13, 2016 5:15 pm

So true, unfortunately. Had the GOP fielded Mike Pence as candidate, the election would be in the bag. Pence even has presidential hair.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Mike Jonas
October 13, 2016 8:35 pm

If Trump could knock out 17 of the finest in primary, the problem is bigger than you think. Trump appears to have been right that the Washington establishment left and right have been shifting to the lefty-elite trough together. I think he deserves huge kudos for what he managed and he spent his own money doing it. I think he is a savior for America which is pretty much on the brink with more of the same and in this case worse with Clinton.

MarkG
Reply to  Mike Jonas
October 14, 2016 7:24 am

“Had the GOP fielded Mike Pence as candidate, the election would be in the bag.”
Yes. Clinton would already have won.
Trump is taking votes from the Democrats, and bringing back people who haven’t voted in years, and would never have voted for Pence.

BFL
Reply to  Terry Warner
October 13, 2016 3:20 pm

“want someone possessed of a supreme egotistical arrogance capable of great strengths and profound stupidity”
All most all politicians meet the first criteria (if you think Clinton doesn’t then reference Colin Powell’s Email about her) but I’m afraid you’ll have to provide concrete examples of his “profound stupidity” unless you admit up front that you are the true genius that knows all (per a typical liberal):
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

Resourceguy
October 13, 2016 11:46 am

Mums the word with those “stupid” Americans, right Dr. Grubber?

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Resourceguy
October 13, 2016 8:37 pm

Gruber’s stuff should be in a Trump ad. This Harvard luminary designed Obamacare and said don’t worry about the details, the American people are too stupid to notice.

Victoria
October 13, 2016 12:39 pm

Another, slightly off topic quote, but important.
Ivey wrote on March 13, 2016-
“And as I’ve mentioned, we’ve all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly.”
Snopes tried to say it was taken out of text. But, of course! (Bill Ivey, Chairman of National Endowment for the Arts, to Podesta)

richard
October 13, 2016 12:41 pm

“Hillary’s boss at the Watergate investigation described her as an incompetent, dishonest lawyer. The Washington Post just endorsed her for president”
“Week after week,” writes Zeifman, “flawed legal opinions and dubious procedural rules were being churned out by Rodham
“Hillary lied intentionally to me”
Repeatedly, Zeifman refers to the “ethical shortcomings” and “erroneous legal opinions” of Rodham”
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Screen-Shot-2016-10-13-at-6.44.49-AM-down-1.gif

mark - Helsinki
Reply to  richard
October 13, 2016 1:20 pm

What always gets me about watergate is while the media focused solely on that Loas was flattened with the most intense bombing campaign ever where uncounted numbers of civilians were annihilated by the USAF

BFL
Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 2:43 pm

Civilians count only when they can be used as a tool to allow destruction for other causes, which are almost always monetary for the elite:
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reveal-true-motive-for-libya-intervention/

mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 1:23 pm

Also in the leaks was confirmation of the plan of “greater Israel. One email was talking of how Netanyahu was not doing enough to further the plan, and the plan incorporates half of Syria, and much of iraq. Well isnt that convenient that ISIS are running amok in those places, and The Israeli gov have now openly admitted working with the Saudis for the last decade. Please, no antisemitic nonsense, I have friends in Israel, and one mate’s mum was a survivor of the camps

u.k(us)
Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 1:38 pm

The only mention of anything anti-Semitic was brought up by you.
What’s Up With That ??

mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 1:27 pm

Bottom line, we are guaranteed war for the next several generations, and what is this I read about possible conscription in the US post 2017?

u.k(us)
Reply to  mark - Helsinki
October 13, 2016 3:50 pm

Somebody wrote:
“You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”
Still true today.

MarkG
Reply to  u.k(us)
October 14, 2016 7:28 am

After eight years of Clinton, only criminals will own rifles.

Amber
October 13, 2016 1:44 pm

The media has danced around asking Hillary the direct question . It is obvious from E mails that you have been advised to not discuss a plan to impose a carbon tax on USA citizens until after the election . Your advisors claim it would be lethal for you to do so .
Are you planning to impose a carbon tax if elected ? If so why has this not been announced before now ?

Resourceguy
October 13, 2016 2:37 pm

Not talking about big issues is not a mark of leadership, but it is a typical courtroom tactic if it hurts the objective.

willhaas
October 13, 2016 4:22 pm

Mrs. Clinton said that it was her intent to continue the Obama administration. Obama’s approach to deficit reduction calls for matching all new taxes and tax increases with budget cuts. Obama is already late with the budget cuts hat were suppose to have gone along with the tax hike on the rich and ACA taxes. What additional budget cuts are being proposed to go along with the carbon tax?

clipe
October 13, 2016 5:29 pm

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Doug Allen
October 13, 2016 6:54 pm

Anthony,
I disagree. You infer “Clearly, they don’t care about “saving the planet” they care about saving their ass in the election. Because “carbon tax” is just too toxic to talk about until after you’ve secured the vote.”
Anthony, I am forever explaining to liberal friends why global warming/climate change is not the catastrophe they think it is. There isn’t evidence for that. The are misinformed, but given their knowledge, they certainly do want to save the planet, and they also want to win the election so that they can save the planet. The two are not mutually exclusive, quite the contrary. A conservative point of view I’ve always subscribed to is attributed to Otto von Bismarck, “Politics is the art of the possible.” There’s nothing unexpected in the John Podesta quotes. Like every other political consultant, his job is to determine a winning strategy.

MarkG
Reply to  Doug Allen
October 14, 2016 7:33 am

“Like every other political consultant, his job is to determine a winning strategy.”
And that’s a large part of the reason Americans despise their own government. Their politicians are lying even before they get into office.

Mikeyj
October 14, 2016 9:56 am

Supreme court selections, border security, national security, EPA, DOJ, IRS, SOS, trade deals, ISIS, and the economy. I support the narcissist over the lying crook in the pants suit.

jimheath
October 15, 2016 11:11 pm

I can’t wait for next week’s story: Trump loves babies: Boiled or Fried. Pathetic mob you are.

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