Huff Post thinks Nuclear War might do More Damage than Global Warming

Castle Bravo Nuclear Bomb test at Bikini Atoll. Public domain image, source Wikimedia
Castle Bravo Nuclear Bomb test at Bikini Atoll. Public domain image, source Wikimedia

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Huffington Post has suggested that a full scale nuclear war, and the climatic aftermath, not only might do more damage that anthropogenic global warming, but it might actually be more likely.

Climate Change for the Impatient: A Nuclear Mini Ice Age

Everyone has heard about climate change caused by fossil fuels, which threatens to raise Earth’s average surface temperature by about 3-5°C by the year 2100 unless we take major steps toward mitigation. But there’s an eerie silence about the other major climate change threat, which might lower Earth’s average surface temperature by 7°C: a decade-long mini ice age caused by a U.S.-Russia nuclear war.

This is colder than the 5°C cooling we endured 20,000 years ago during the last ice age. The good news is that, according to state-of-the-art climate models by Alan Robock at Rutgers University, a nuclear mini ice age would be rather brief, with about half of the cooling gone after a decade. The bad news is that this more than long enough for most people on Earth to starve to death if farming collapses. Robock’s all-out-war scenario shows cooling by about 20°C (36°F) in much of the core farming regions of the U.S., Europe, Russia and China (by 35°C in parts of Russia) for the first two summers — you don’t need to be a master farmer to figure out what freezing summers would do to food supply. It’s hard to predict exactly how devastating this famine would be if thousands of Earth’s largest cities were reduced to rubble and global infrastructure collapsed, but whatever small fraction of all humans don’t succumb to starvation, hypothermia or epidemics would need to cope with roving, armed gangs desperate for food.

Unless we take stronger action than there’s current political will for, we’re likely to face both dramatic fossil-fuel climate change and dramatic nuclear climate change within a century, give or take. Since no politician in their right mind would launch global nuclear Armageddon on purpose, the nuclear war triggering the mini ice age will most likely start by accident or miscalculation. This has has almost happened many times in the past, as this timeline shows. The annual probability of accidental nuclear war is poorly known, but it certainly isn’t zero: John F. Kennedy estimated the probability of the Cuban Missile Crisis escalating to war between 33 percent and 50 percent. We know that near-misses keep occurring regularly, and there are probably many more close calls than haven’t been declassified. Simple math shows that even if the annual risk of global nuclear war is as low as 1 percent, we’ll probably have one within a century and almost certainly within a few hundred years. We just don’t know exactly when — it could be the day your great granddaughter gets married, or it could be next Tuesday when the Russian early-warning system suffers an unfortunate technical malfunction.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-tegmark/climate-change-for-the-im_b_9865898.html

Some of the near misses are truly terrifying. For example, the 1983 Soviet Nuclear False Alarm, when the world was saved because one Soviet officer stood by his judgement that the inbound ICBMs detected by their early warning systems were a software glitch;

Shortly after midnight, the bunker’s computers reported that one intercontinental ballistic missile was heading toward the Soviet Union from the United States. Petrov considered the detection a computer error, since a first-strike nuclear attack by the United States was likely to involve hundreds of simultaneous missile launches in order to disable any Soviet means of a counterattack. Furthermore, the satellite system’s reliability had been questioned in the past. Petrov dismissed the warning as a false alarm, though accounts of the event differ as to whether he notified his superiors or not after he concluded that the computer detections were false and that no missile had been launched. Later, the computers identified four additional missiles in the air, all directed towards the Soviet Union. Petrov again suspected that the computer system was malfunctioning, despite having no other source of information to confirm his suspicions. The Soviet Union’s land radar was incapable of detecting missiles beyond the horizon, and waiting for it to positively identify the threat would limit the Soviet Union’s response time to a few minutes.

It was subsequently determined that the false alarms were caused by a rare alignment of sunlight on high-altitude clouds and the satellites’ Molniya orbits, an error later corrected by cross-referencing a geostationary satellite.

In explaining the factors leading to his decision, Petrov cited his belief and training that any U.S. first strike would be massive, so five missiles seemed an illogical start. In addition, the launch detection system was new and in his view not yet wholly trustworthy, while ground radar had failed to pick up corroborative evidence even after several minutes of the false alarm.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident

The risk of nuclear war has largely faded from public consciousness, but given the number of unstable states jumping onto the nuclear bandwagon, the risk of a major nuclear exchange might actually be higher now, than during the classic cold war years.

Even if the nuclear threat is never realised, there are plenty of other threats likely to emerge in the near future, as our species explores the possibilities of nanotech, biotech and artificial intelligence.

The one silver lining of these rapid and accelerating changes to the global threat landscape, is that the idea that anthropogenic climate change is the worst threat we face is becoming increasingly untenable. Even the Huffington Post is starting to question this assertion.

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Tom Halla
May 10, 2016 3:01 pm

So the HuffPo resurrected Turco et al (akaTTAPS). At least it is as discredited as CAGW, so why not bring up another bad computer model? 🙂

Marcus
May 10, 2016 3:57 pm

Eric,,, ” Huffington Post has suggested that a full scale nuclear war, and the climatic aftermath, not only might do more damage that ” should be THAN ?

TA
May 10, 2016 5:16 pm

From the article: “John F. Kennedy estimated the probability of the Cuban Missile Crisis escalating to war between 33 percent and 50 percent.”
If Fidel Castro had had his way, the probablity would have been 100 percent. Castro begged the Soviets to nuke the U.S. during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Tens of Millions of Americans would have died, had they done so. The Soviets finally concluded that Castro had lost touch with reality, after they realized he was serious.
See “One Hell of a Gamble” for the details.

willhaas
May 10, 2016 5:32 pm

The Huffington Post has quite a few articles on climate change. Please go over there, read some of the articles, and comment on them. The reality is that the climate change we are experiencing today is caused by the sun and the oceans and Mankind does not have the power to change it. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. So the real culprit in terms of climate change is Mother Nature. If you do not like it try taking legal action against her in the World Court. Lots of luck getting Mother Nature to pay for her wrong doings. An all out nuclear war may have some short term climate effects but no long term ones. We must remember that the previous interglacial period was warmer then this one with more ice cap melting and higher sea levels yet CO2 levels were lower than today. Unless we reestablish an equatorial current between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, the next ice age will probably begin within several thousand years and we will not have to worry about the ravages of global warming for at least another 100 K years. New ice sheets will assure that sea levels will be lower and CO2 will decrease as the oceans cool.

Reply to  willhaas
May 10, 2016 9:53 pm

+4. The discussion seems to be missing the point that climate change has a large natural component and nuclear war does not. War comes from pure human dumbass, a quality the religious left has in abundance.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  gymnosperm
May 11, 2016 5:30 am

I believe that aggression and war is a natural state for humans. Being dominant and taking weaker beings things is how humans have survived through the ages. It is just framed differently today.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
May 11, 2016 7:20 am

Wish I could disagree.

May 10, 2016 6:15 pm

EMP the threat that never was, never will be and did not occur.
Operation MIKE would have destroyed all the electronics, near and around Bikini if it were true. Having been calculated to be 5 Megaton, because of an error in understanding the neutron flux ability to produce more Li7 out of the Li6 in the mix as the explosion occurred the actual yield was 15 megatons. There were enough calculations to have ships posted around the radius of effect, who were exposed to more blast and effects that originally anticipated. NONE SANK and NONE had knock outs of electrical systems.

riparianinc
Reply to  Max Hugoson
May 11, 2016 4:26 am

The “D” model B-52 used in the last drops had primitive electronics compared to the digital age. But we did enough testing on the wooden trestle under the giant “zapper” to know that the much newer OAS bomb-nav gear in the final “G” and “H” models would have functioned through nuclear detonations.

Michael J. Dunn
Reply to  riparianinc
May 11, 2016 12:41 pm

The problem is that “primitive” electronics are more resistant to EMP than the “digital age.”
Also, any nuclear exchange would probably provoke a complete traffic saturation of cell phone channels. (Years ago, we had an earthquake in Seattle. All the cell capacity was clogged. People had to resort to land lines to call home and get damage status.)

Bye Doom
Reply to  riparianinc
May 11, 2016 12:51 pm

Depends upon how “primitive”. Vacuum tubes, yes, better. Early solid state, no. Now most of our nuclear weapons and delivery systems are hardened.

riparianinc
Reply to  riparianinc
May 11, 2016 1:39 pm

Before the “tall tails” retired in 1983, the last 75 Ds left got the DBNS, digital bomb-nav system. I only had 200 hrs of “D” time, all on Guam, 1980-82. My G and H time was ’75-’80 (moved to left seat in ’79) and ’82-’85. After that I had staff jobs.
BTW, Soviet doctrine was VERY different from ours. They did not believe “winning” and “nuclear” were mutually exclusive, nor any sort of oxymoron. As a Soviet marshal once told a USAF 4 star, “You don’t want war; we don’t want war. But we don’t want war less than you don’t want war.”

Bye Doom
Reply to  riparianinc
May 11, 2016 1:52 pm

Rip,
Correct. Soviet doctrine was to fight and win nuclear war. Their ICBM silos and SLBM tubes were and are reloadable. They were trying to get their nuclear artillery rounds down to 122mm from 152mm so that even regiments could be nuclear-armed, not just divisions and armies. And they had a staggering number of divisions.
American government analysts consistently underestimated the number of Soviet tactical, operational and strategic warheads, which in fact numbered about 42,500 before the arms limitation treaties, ie about twice as many as the usual guesses.

Bye Doom
Reply to  Max Hugoson
May 11, 2016 12:49 pm

There’s a big difference between EMP at low elevation and high.
http://www.futurescience.com/emp/emp-history.html
During the first US nuclear test in 1945, electronic equipment was shielded due to Enrico Fermi’s expectation of an electromagnetic pulse from the detonation. However, the magnitude of the EMP and the significance of its effects were not realized for some time.
During British nuclear testing in 1952-1953, instrumentation failures were attributed to “radioflash,” then the British term for EMP.
High-altitude nuclear tests in 1958 were the first indication in US testing that high-altitude EMP could be more than 1000 times as intense as low-altitude EMP. The first reported instance of this unique high-altitude effect was in the 1958 Hardtack-Yucca test. The EMP results of Hardtack-Yucca were so different from the expected results that the data were apparently dismissed as an anomaly.
The high altitude nuclear tests of 1962 increased awareness of EMP beyond the original small population of nuclear weapons scientists and engineers. The larger scientific community became aware of the significance of the problem after a series of three articles was published by William J. Broad in “Science” about nuclear EMP in 1981.

May 10, 2016 6:24 pm

“Nuclear War might do More Damage than Global Warming”
No kidding. Of course it would. “Global Warming” is a non problem. Nuclear war is a REAL problem.
I agree with the headline…

David Ball
May 10, 2016 7:36 pm

Huffpo thinks“. Well, there’s your problem right there at the very beginning,….

May 10, 2016 8:08 pm

This is what liberals do all day long. And if you say, we better be prepared, they scoff. They would rather face an imaginary threat with overwhelmingly destructive political and economic mandates rather than a bit of defensive armament and a realistic appraisal of current events.

TA
May 10, 2016 8:48 pm

Tom Trevor, May 10, 2016 at 6:57 pm wrote: “What is radioactive material doing in Baghdad? Is that the yellow cake uranium that Saddam got from Africa?”
Saddam had the intention of developing nuclear weapons. His program never got very far, but Saddam told all his generals that he already had nuclear weapons and other WMD.
That’s one reason all the world’s intelligence agencies thought Saddam had an active WMD program. Saddam wanted them to think that. Saddam thought that would keep his enemies and his own generals in line. It ended up getting him killed.
I don’t know where the yellowcake originated, and it would be interesting if it did oame from Africa. I remember how the Liberals ridiculed the idea of Saddam buying yellowcake uranium from Africa, during the Bush administration.
The Liberals didn’t have much to say about that 500 tons Bush removed.

TA
May 10, 2016 8:50 pm

BTW, I think Bush sent that 500 tons of yellowcake uranium to Canada.

Retired Kit P
May 10, 2016 10:35 pm

Dead is dead. One of the things on my list of stupid things people do is worry something nuclear causing it. It is just irrational fear.
Nuclear weapons are now obsolete. This was demonstrated in Iraq. Russia, China, and France objected but had no stomach to do more than run off at the mouth. Conventional weapons can thwart military ambitions of single aggressor countries.

Barry Sheridan
May 11, 2016 1:00 am

It has become fully apparent to me that political confidence in humanity’s collective future has evaporated, instead all that is on offer is an endless stream of gloom and doom scenario’s advanced to what end. Am I alone in finding this pathetic. We have now evolved sufficient grip on technology to resolve most of the problems our earlier industrial development created. Yet instead of pursuing solutions the world seems dominated by those advancing ideas that would take us backwards, and in doing so will condemn several billions to a hopeless future.
Integral to this miserable scare-mongering are the MSM, this article about nuclear war on a scale that would destroy the globe being another example of the crap put out by modern journalism. The truth is that whatever the close calls in the past, it has never been all that likely despite notions suggested by some military people that such a conflagration can be won. What is much more likely today is the use of device by a fringe group of lunatics or minor nation like North Korea. Efforts to deal with that are in hand, but we can never be too vigilant.

May 11, 2016 2:51 am

I don’t believe in nuclear winter. It requires much more than 100 firestorms from nuclear bombings to start a nuclear winter. Nagasaki did not have a firestorm but the models assume a doomsday scenario. I think Sagan et al were just scaring the public so military leaders will avoid a nuclear war. Dr. Strangelove did better on the scare tactic with his Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) policy. Only a fool will start a war whose outcome is annihilation of all. Unfortunately fools abound nowadays.

Reply to  Dr. Strangelove
May 11, 2016 3:37 am

Dr. Strangelove and the doomsday machine. Funny but is really based on game theory. Dr. Strangelove was a parody of John von Neumann, the mathematical genius and US military adviser who invented the Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) strategy in 1950s

Michael J. Dunn
Reply to  Dr. Strangelove
May 11, 2016 12:45 pm

Well, I have read that Kubrick stated that the model for Dr. Strangelove was Henry Kissinger. Given the accent and the wavy hair and the demeanor of someone who can think the unthinkable, I am persuaded.

Bye Doom
Reply to  Dr. Strangelove
May 11, 2016 12:53 pm

Correct. Kissinger, not von Neumann.

riparianinc
May 11, 2016 4:21 am

“Live nuke carried across the US,” the 1961 Goldsboro crash, Palomares in 1966.
Y’all do some Goggling for “Broken Arrow.” Back in the day, we had numerous aircraft accidents while carrying nukes. We also had airborne alert. We didn’t stop “Chrome Dome” until the 1968 crash in Greenland. As to the 1961 crash, before he died, McNamara gave a speech in which he claimed that every safety feature but one had failed in one of the bombs. However, since that B-52 had reported an emergency and was known to have just a malfunction (fuel leak from a skin crack; the “G” had a wet wing design), the chances of a war starting from it crashing were zero – – with or without a bomb cooking off in the crash. BTW, our weapons are designed to NOT produce a nuclear yield in a crash and of course none of them ever did. Palomares wasn’t even the only mid-air; an F-86 hit a loaded B-47 over SC.
Everybody gets an opinion as to the odds some crisis in Brussels about the Brits leaving the EU or the next Yugoslavia breaking up or the next round of women getting groped en masse by roaming bands of young aliens . . . that any such event will produce another “Guns of August” only this time with nukes instead of just shelling and rifles. However, IMHO, anyone who believes such an event has odds even as high as 1% of producing a nuclear war is either crazy or lying.

MarkW
Reply to  riparianinc
May 11, 2016 8:38 am

A crash cannot ignite a nuclear detonation, nor could a fire “cook” one off.
The shockwave formed by the explosives needs to be perfectly spherical in order to compress the core enough to ignite a nuclear explosion. The shell is made up of a large number of individual charges, each with it’s own igniting wire. These explosives are timed with sub-nanosecond accuracy.
Fail to get that sub-nanosecond accuracy and all you get is a few pounds of plutonium scattered over the landscape.

Retired Kit P
Reply to  MarkW
May 11, 2016 8:47 am

Pu and U are toxic hazards and not radiological hazards.
So if you find a old broken nuke, do not heat it. For most of you this is useless advice, but you never know what ‘journalists’ might do.

David Ayer
Reply to  MarkW
May 11, 2016 11:17 am

This is called “one point safe”. To prevent capture of our tactical nukes, we would place a 15lbs shaped charge over the “destruct dot” on the outside of the box the nuke traveled in (coffin shaped). This lined up with the nuclear material.This would have been an enourmous blast as we would have destroyed up to 6 at once. Because this was not the precise explosion directed from many angles to compress the nuclear materials there would be no nuclear detonation.

Robdel
May 11, 2016 4:22 am

You don’t say.

Jamspid
May 11, 2016 6:59 am

2007 ish couple of years back they had massive forest fires in Australia they said were the equivalent of a thousand Nukes going off , which threw millions of tons of smoke and ash into the air ,that didn’t blot the sun out

Retired Kit P
May 11, 2016 9:03 am

I do not think that Japan has weapons grade Pu. The best I can tell is that it is Chinese communist propaganda. The Chinese people have been indoctrinated to hate Japan and everyone for that matter.
I did not detect much racism among the highly educated Chinese I worked with but encounters outside of work found many not shy about expressing racist views.
I also did not comment on Mao hero worship by saying that the west considered a mass murderer. I do not think that the Chinese leaders will start a nuke war. It is really bad for business. The irony is that that business depends on the US Navy to keep the sea lanes open.

Michael J. Dunn
Reply to  Retired Kit P
May 11, 2016 12:49 pm

Shortly, business may depend on PLA Navy moat dragons guarding the sea lanes into China.

dscott
May 12, 2016 9:15 am

Hence, Obama gave the Iranians the cover and protection from Israel to build as many nuclear bombs as they wish in order to provide his psychopathic solution to global warming, nuclear winter. In one fell swoop Obama solved the problems of Islamic terrorism, world over population and man made climate change by arranging for a group of sociopaths in robes to cleanse the earth with religious zeal of its most virulent virus…mankind.
/sarcasm or not?/
Feckless incompetence, breathe taking hubris or malevolence? Does it really matter in the end? Will you survive it?

Michael J. Dunn
May 12, 2016 1:01 pm

Such a hackneyed phrase. I always like to jibe with “one swell foop.”

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