Five points about climate change

Guest essay by Professor Philip Lloyd, Cape Peninsula University of Technology

Daily we are told that we are wicked to burn fossil fuels.  The carbon dioxide which is inevitably emitted accumulates in the atmosphere and the result is “climate change.” If the stories are to believed, disaster awaits us. Crops will wither, rivers will dry up, polar bears will disappear and malaria will become rampant.

It is a very big “IF”. We could waste trillions for nothing.  Indeed, Lord Stern has estimated that it would be worth spending a few trillion dollars each year to avoid a possible disaster in 200 years’ time. Because he is associated with the London School of Economics he is believed – by those whose experience of insurance is limited. Those who have experience know that it is not worth insuring against something that might happen in 200 years time – it is infinitely better to make certain your children can cope. With any luck, they will do the same for their children, and our great-great-great grandchildren will be fine individuals more than able to deal with Lord Stern’s little problem.

So I decided to examine the hypothesis from first principles. There are five steps to the hypothesis:

1. The carbon dioxide (CO2) content of the atmosphere is rising.

2. The rise in CO2 in the atmosphere is largely paralleled by the increase in fossil fuel combustion. Combustion of fossil fuels results in emission of CO2, so it is eminently reasonable to link the two increases.

3. CO2 can scatter infra-red over wavelengths primarily at about 15 µm. Infra-red of that wavelength, which should be carrying energy away from the planet, is scattered back into the lower troposphere, where the added energy input should cause an increase in the temperature.

4. The expected increase in the energy of the lower troposphere may cause long-term changes in the climate and thermosphere, which could be characterized by increasing frequency and/or magnitude of extreme weather events, an increase in sea temperatures, a reduction in ice cover and many other changes.

5. The greatest threat is that sea levels may rise and flood large areas presently densely inhabited.

Are these hypotheses sustainable in the scientific sense? Is there a solid logic linking each step in this chain?

The increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is incontrovertible. Many measurements show this. For instance, since 1958 there have been continuous measurements at the Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii:

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The annual rise and fall is due to deciduous plants growing or resting, depending on the season.  But the long-term trend is ever-increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.

There were only sporadic readings of CO2 before 1958, no continuous measurements. Nevertheless, there is sufficient information to construct a view back to 1850:

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There was a slight surge in atmospheric levels about 1900, then a period of near stasis until after 1950, when there was a strong and ongoing increase which has continued to this day. Remember this pattern – it will re-appear in a different guise.

The conclusion is clear – there has been an increase in the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. What may have caused it?

Well, there is the same pattern in the CO2 emissions from the burning of fossils fuels and other industrial sources:

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A similar pattern is no proof – correlation is not causation. But if you try to link the emissions directly to the growth in atmospheric CO2, you fail. There are many partly understood “sinks” which remove CO2 from the atmosphere. Trying to follow the dynamics of all the sinks has proved difficult, so we do not have a really good chemical balance between what is emitted and what turns up in the air.

Fortunately isotopes come to our aid. There are two primary plant chemistries, called C3 and C4. C3 plants are ancient, and they tend to prefer the 12C carbon isotope to the 13C. Plants with a C4 chemistry are comparatively recent arrivals, and they are not so picky about their isotopic diet. Fossil fuels primarily come from a time before C4 chemistry had evolved, so they are richer in 12C than today’s biomass. Injecting into the air 12C-rich CO2 from fossil fuels should therefore cause the 13C in the air to drop, which is precisely what is observed:

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So the evidence that fossil fuel burning is the underlying cause of the increase in the CO2 in the atmosphere is really conclusive.  But does it have any effect?

Carbon dioxide scatters infra-red over a narrow range of energies.  The infra-red photons, which should be carrying energy away from the planet, are scattered back into the lower troposphere. The retained energy should cause an increase in the temperature.

Viewing the planet from space is revealing:

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The upper grey line shows the spectrum which approximates that of a planet of Earth’s average albedo at a temperature 280K. That is the temperature about 5km above surface where incoming and outgoing radiation are in balance. The actual spectrum is shown by the blue line. The difference between the two is the energy lost by scattering processes caused by greenhouse gases. Water vapour has by far the largest effect. CO2 contributes to the loss between about 13 and 17 μm, and ozone contributes to the loss between about 9 and 10µm.

The effect of carbon dioxide absorption drops off logarithmically with concentration. Doubling the concentration will not double any effect. Indeed, at present there is ~400ppm in the atmosphere.  We are unlikely see a much different world at 800ppm. It will be greener – plants grow better on a richer diet – and it may be slightly warmer and slightly wetter, but otherwise it would look very like our present world.

However, just as any effect will lessen proportionately with increase in concentration, so it will increase proportionately with any decrease.  If there are to be any observable effects, they should be visible in the historical records.  Have we seen them?

There are “official” historical global temperature records. A recent version from the Hadley Climate Research unit is:

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The vertical axis gives what is known as the “temperature anomaly”, the change from the average temperature over the period 1950-1980. Recall that carbon dioxide only became significant after 1950, so we can look at this figure with that fact in mind:

* from 1870 to 1910, temperatures dropped, there was no significant rise in carbon dioxide

* from 1910 to 1950, temperatures rose, there was no significant rise in carbon dioxide.

* from 1950 to 1975, temperatures dropped, carbon dioxide increased

* from 1975 to 2000, both temperature and carbon dioxide increased

* from 2000 to 2015, temperatures rose slowly but carbon dioxide increased strongly.

Does carbon dioxide drive temperature changes? Looking at this evidence, one would have to say that, if there is any relationship, it must be a very weak one. In one study I made of the ice core record over 8 000 years, I found that there was a 95% chance that the temperature would change naturally by as much as +/-2degrees C during 100 years. During the 20th century, it changed by about 0.8degrees C. The conclusion? If carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does indeed cause global warming, then the signal has yet to emerge from the natural noise.

One of the problems with the “official” temperature records such as the Hadley series shown above is that the official record has been the subject of “adjustments”. While some adjustment of the raw data is obviously needed, such as that for the altitude of the measuring site, the pattern of adjustments has been such as to cool the past and warm the present, making global warming seem more serious than the raw data warrants.

It may seem unreasonable to refer to the official data as “adjusted”. However, the basis for the official data is what is known as the Global Historical Climatology Network, or GHCN, and it has been arbitrarily adjusted. For example, it is possible to compare the raw data for Cape Town, 1880-2011, to the adjustments made to the data in developing GHCN series Ver. 3:

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The Goddard Institute for Space Studies is responsible for the GHCN. The Institute was approached for the metadata underlying the adjustments. They provided a single line of data, giving the station’s geographical co-ordinates and height above mean sea-level, and a short string of meaningless data including the word “COOL”. The basis for the adjustments is therefore unknown, but the fact that about 40 successive years of data were “adjusted” by exactly 1.10 degrees C strongly suggests fingers rather than algorithms were involved.

There has been so much tampering with the “official” records of global warming that they have no credibility at all. That is not to say that the Earth has not warmed over the last couple of centuries.  Glaciers have retreated, snow-lines risen. There has been warming, but we do not know by how much.

Interestingly, the observed temperatures are not unique. For instance, the melting of ice on Alpine passes in Europe has revealed paths that were in regular use a thousand years and more ago. They were then covered by ice which has only melted recently. The detritus cast away beside the paths by those ancient travellers is providing a rich vein of archaeological material.

So the world was at least as warm a millennium ago as it is today. It has warmed over the past few hundred years, but the warming is primarily natural in origin, and has nothing to do with human activities.  We do not even have a firm idea as to whether there is any impact of human activities at all, and certainly cannot say whether any of the observed warming has an anthropogenic origin. The physics say we should have some effect; but we cannot yet distinguish it from the natural variation.

Those who seek to accuse us of carbon crime have therefore developed another tool – the global circulation model. This is a computer representation of the atmosphere, which calculates the conditions inside a slice of the atmosphere, typically 5km x 5km x 1km, and links each to an adjacent slice (if you have a big enough computer – otherwise your slices have to be bigger).

The modellers typically start their calculations some years back, for which there is a known climate, and try to see they can predict the (known) climate from when they start up to today.  There are many adjustable parameters in the models, and by twiddling enough of these digital knobs, they can “tune” the model to history.

Once the model seems to be able to reproduce historical data well enough, it is let rip on the future. There is a hope that, while the models may not be perfect, if different people run different tunings at different times, a reasonable range of predictions will emerge, from which some idea of the future may be gained.

Unfortunately the hopes have been dashed too often. The El Nino phenomenon is well understood; it has a significant impact on the global climate; yet none of the models can cope with it. Similarly, the models cannot do hurricanes/typhoons – the 5kmx5km scale is just too coarse. They cannot do local climates – a test of two areas only 5km apart, one of which receives at least 2 000mm of rain annually, and the other averages just on 250mm, failed badly.  There was good wind and temperature data and the local topography. The problem was modelled with a very fine grid, but there were not enough tuning knobs to be able to match history.

Even the basic physics used in these models fails. The basic physics predicts that, between the two Tropics, the upper atmosphere should warm faster than the surface. We regularly fly weather balloons carrying thermometers into this region. There are three separate balloon data sets, and they agree that there is no sign of extra warming:

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The average of the three sets is given by the black squares. The altitude is given in terms of pressure, 100 000Pa at ground level and 20 000Pa at about 9km above surface. There are 22 different models, and their average is shown by the black line.  At ground level, measurement shows warming by 0.1degrees C per decade, but the models predict 0.2degrees C per decade.  At 9km, measurement still shows close to 0.1degrees C, but the models show an average of 0.4degrees C and extreme values as high as 0.6degrees C. Models that are wrong by a factor of 4 or more cannot be considered scientific. They should not even be accepted for publication – they are wrong.

The hypothesis that we can predict future climate on the basis of models that are already known to fail is false. International agreements to control future temperature rises to X degrees C above pre-industrial global averages have more to do with the clothing of emperors than reality.

So the third step in our understanding of the climate boondoggle can only conclude that yes, the world is warming, but by how much and why, we really haven’t a clue.

What might the climate effects of a warmer world be? What is “climate”? It is the result of averaging a climatological variable, such as rainfall or atmospheric pressure, measured typically over a month or a season, where the average is taken over several years so as to give an indication of the weather that might be expected at that month or season.

Secondly, we need to understand the meaning of “change”. In this context it clearly means that the average of a climatological variable over X number of years will differ from the same variable averaged over a different set of X years.  But it is readily observable that the weather changes from year to year, so there will be a natural variation in the climate from one period of X years to another period X years long.  One therefore needs to know how long X must be to determine the natural variability and thus to detect reliably any change in the measured climate.

This aspect of “climate change” appears to have been overlooked in all the debate.  It seems to be supposed that there was a “pre-industrial” climate, which was measured over a large number of years before industry became a significant factor in our existence, and that the climate we now observe is statistically different from that hypothetical climate.

The problem, of course, is that there is very little actual data from those pre-industrial days, so we have no means of knowing what the climate really was.  There is no baseline from which we can measure change.

Faced by this difficulty, the proponents of climate change have modified the hypothesis. It is supposed that the observed warming of the earth will change the climate in such a way as to make extreme events more frequent. This does not alter the difficulty; in fact, it makes it worse.

To illustrate, assume that an extreme event is one that falls outside the 95% probability bounds. So in 100 years, one would expect 5 extreme events on average.  Rather than taking 100 years of data to obtain the average climate, there are now only 5 years to obtain an estimate of the average extreme event, and the relative error in averaging 5 variable events is obviously much larger than the relative error in averaging 100 variable events.

The rainfall data for England and Wales demonstrates this quite convincingly:-

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The detrended data are close to normally distributed, so that it is quite reasonable to use normal statistics for this. The 5% limits are thus two standard deviations either side of the mean.  In the 250-year record, 12.5 extreme events (those outside the 95% bounds) would be expected.  In fact, there are 7 above the upper bound and 4 below the lower bound, or 11 in total. Thus it requires 250 years to get a reasonable estimate (within 12%) of only the frequency of extreme rainfall.  There is no possibility of detecting any change in this frequency, as would be needed to demonstrate “climate change”.

Indeed, a human lifespan is insufficient even to detect the frequency of the extreme events.  In successive 60-year periods, there are 2, 4, 2 and 2 events, an average of 2.5 events with a standard deviation of 1.0. There is a 95% chance of seeing between 0.5 and 5.5 extreme events in 60 years, where 3 (5% of 60) are expected. Several lifetimes are necessary determine the frequency with any accuracy, and many more to determine any change in the frequency.

It is known to have been warming for at least 150 years. If warming had resulted in more extreme weather, it might have been expected that there was some evidence for an increase in extreme events over that period. The popular press certainly tries to be convincing when an apparently violent storm arises. But none of the climatological indicators that have data going back at least 100 years show any sign of an increase in frequency of extreme events

For instance, there have been many claims that tropical cyclones are increasing in their frequency and severity.  The World Meteorological Organisation reports:  “It remains uncertain whether past changes in tropical cyclone activity have exceeded the variability expected from natural causes.”

It is true that the damage from cyclones is increasing, but this is not due to more severe weather.  It is the result of there being more dwellings, and each dwelling being more valuable, than was the case 20 or more years ago.  Over a century of data was carefully analysed to reach this conclusion.  The IPCC report on extreme events agrees with this finding.

Severe weather of any kind is most unlikely to make any part of our planet uninhabitable – that includes drought, severe storms and high winds. In fact, this is not too surprising – humanity has learned how to cope with extreme weather, and human beings occupy regions from the most frigid to the most scalding, from sea level to heights where sea-level-dwellers struggle for breath. Not only are we adaptable, but we have also learned how to build structures that will shield us from the forces of nature.

Of course, such protection comes at a cost. Not everyone can afford the structures needed for their preservation.  Villages are regularly flattened by storms that would leave most modern cities undamaged. Flood control measures are designed for the one-in-a-hundred year events, and they generally work – whereas low-lying areas in poor nations are regularly inundated for want of suitable defences.

Indeed, it is a tribute to the ability of engineers to protect against all manner of natural forces.  For instance, the magnitude 9 Tōhoku earthquake of 2011 (which caused the tsunami that destroyed the reactors at Fukushima) caused little physical damage to buildings, whereas earlier that year, the “mere” magnitude 7 earthquake in Wellington, New Zealand, toppled the cathedral, which was not designed to withstand earthquakes.

We should not fear extreme weather events. There is no evidence that they are any stronger than they were in the past, and most of us have adequate defenses against them.  Of course, somewhere our defenses will fail, but that is usually because of a design fault by man, not an excessive force of Nature. Here, on the fourth step of our journey, we can clearly see the climate change hypothesis stumble and fall.

In the same way, most of the other scare stories about “climate change” fail when tested against real data. Polar bears are not vanishing from the face of the earth; indeed, the International Union for the Conservation of Nature can detect no change in the rate of loss of species over the past 400 years. Temperature has never been a strong determinant of the spread of malaria – lack of public health measures is a critical component in its propagation. Species are migrating, but whether temperature is the driver is doubtful – diurnal and seasonal temperature changes are so huge that a fractional change in the average temperature is unlikely to be the cause. Glaciers are melting, but the world is warmer, so you would expect them to melt.

There remains one last question – will the seas rise and submerge our coastlines?

First it needs to be recognized that the sea level is rising. It has been rising for about the past 25 000 years. However, for the past 7 millennia it has been rising slower than ever before:

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The critical question is whether the observed slow rate of rise has increased as a result of the warming climate. There are several lines of evidence that it has not.  One is the long-term data from tide gauges. These have to be treated with caution because there are areas where the land is sinking (such as the Gulf of Mexico, where the silt carried down the Mississippi is weighing down the crust), and others where it is rising (such as much of Scandinavia, relieved of a burden of a few thousand metres of ice about 10 000 years ago). A typical long-term tide gauge record is New York:

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The 1860-1950 trend was 2.47-3.17mm/a; the 1950-2014 trend was 2.80-3.42mm/a, both at a 95% confidence level. The two trends are statistically indistinguishable. There is <5% probability that they might show any acceleration after 1950.

Another line of evidence comes from satellite measurements of sea level.  The figure below shows the latest available satellite information – it only extends back until 1993. Nevertheless, the 3.3±0.3mm/a rise in sea level is entirely consistent with the tide gauge record:

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Thus several lines of evidence point to the present rate of sea level rise being about 3mm/a or 30cm per century. Our existing defences against the sea have to deal with diurnal tidal changes of several metres, and low-pressure-induced storm surges of several metres more.  The average height of our defences above mean sea level is about 7m, so adding 0.3m in the next century will reduce the number of waves that occasionally overtop the barrier.

The IPCC predicts that the sea level will rise by between 0.4 and 0.7m during this century. Given the wide range of the prediction, there is a possibility they could be right. Importantly, even a 0.7m rise is not likely to be a disaster, in the light of the fact that our defences are already metres high – adding 10% to them over the next 80 years would be costly, but we would have decades to make the change, and should have more than adequate warning of any significant increase in the rate of sea level rise.

To conclude, our five steps have shown:

· the combustion of ever increasing quantities of fossil fuel has boosted the carbon dioxide concentration of the atmosphere.

· The physical impact of that increase is not demonstrable in a scientific way. There may be some warming of the atmosphere, but at present any warming is almost certainly hidden in the natural variation of temperatures.

· there is no significant evidence either for any increase in the frequency or magnitude of weather phenomena, or climate-related changes in the biosphere.

· any sea level rise over the coming century is unlikely to present an insuperable challenge.

Attempts to influence global temperatures by controlling carbon dioxide emissions are likely to be both futile and economically disastrous.

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downzunder
April 9, 2016 12:05 am

One of the more reasoned and reasonable essays on climate change written by a scientist that I’ve read in recent times. I was hoping to send links to many of my associates but unfortunately I can’t because I’m a New Zealander and the essay contains mistakes regarding the earthquakes in New Zealand. As stated by other posters, the 2011 earthquake that levelled the cathedral was in Christchurch not Wellington.
But what is worse is the use of the word ‘mere’ in association with any earthquake that resulted in the loss of life and near complete devastation that occurred in the central CBD of Christchurch City. The Aussies across ‘the ditch’ don’t call us the ‘Shaky Isles’ for nothing. We know a thing or two about earthquakes. We’ve had many earthquakes in New Zealand much larger on the Richter scale than that one that devastated Christchurch. However, we know the damage resulting from an earthquake is not merely a function of it’s size, it also depends upon where the quake is centred and the type of motion that the energy of the quake generates.
Professor, could you please correct these aspects of your excellent essay so there is no impediment to me sending links to my New Zealand associates and spreading the good word. Thanks.

Pauly
April 9, 2016 12:56 am

Re: Ferdinand Engelbeen April 8, 2016 at 2:03 pm
Ferdinand, perhaps you refuse to accept information that doesn’t fit into your world view. The paper below provided very detailed information on the causes of increased CO2 in the atmosphere, cited sources, and provided detailed charts at figures 14, 15 and 16. Here is the direct quote:
“The correlation of average temperature with CO2 flux is similar for ocean and continent surfaces, contradicting the expected negative flow due to larger absorption of CO2 by plants during warmer times; this means that during warming phases, ocean liberation of CO2 is much more powerful than the continental biosphere uptake.”
So this paper identifies that the predominant source of additional atmospheric CO2 is the oceans, which release it after their temperature increases. The paper also explicitly states that human CO2 has no impact on temperature increases:
“When evaluating the changes in added CO2 from fuel burning with global average
temperature change, at interannual scale, the absence of relationship by cross plotting becomes clear: the more or less wasted CO2 did not imply warming or cooling (Figure 18).”
http://file.scirp.org/pdf/IJG20100300002_69193660.pdf

Reply to  Pauly
April 9, 2016 3:20 am

Pauly,
I accept all information which is based on verifiable facts, no matter if that confirms or refutes my own opinion…
The link you gave is talking about CO2 changes vs. temperature changes not about the cause of the total increase of CO2 in the atmosphere, although human CO2 is mentioned.
Temperature caused CO2 changes over the seasons is dominated by (NH) vegetation as can be seen in the opposite CO2 and δ13C changes over the seasons:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/seasonal_CO2_d13C_MLO_BRW.jpg
As you can see, CO2 goes down, δ13C up with higher temperatures due to increased photosynthesis.
Temperature caused interannual CO2 changes over short term (1-3 years) are dominated by (tropical) vegetation as can be seen in the opposite CO2 and δ13C changes:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/temp_dco2_d13C_mlo.jpg
In this case the opposite reaction as for seasonal: temperature goes up, CO2 goes up and δ13C goes down. Thus while ocean temperatures (El Niño) go up, rain patterns and temperature gives also more CO2 release from the tropical forests.
Over (very) long periods, the oceans are dominant, but that is not more than ~16 ppmv/°C. That is maximum 16 ppmv since the LIA, the rest of the 110 ppmv increase is from humans…
But of course I do agree that the influence of CO2 on temperature – even over very long periods – is minimal.

Reply to  Pauly
April 9, 2016 4:30 am

Pauly,
If you give a better look at Fig. 15, you can see that nature is a net sink in all years, except in 1988 and 1998 where it is near zero, due to the El Niño’s. Thus not the cause of the increase in total CO2 in the atmosphere…

oppti
April 9, 2016 2:12 am

Thanks!
But I have one remark. The Battery in New York is analysed in this graph and it shows NO acceleration but a form of periodical movement. The Sea level rise was higher during the 1950s!
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/50yr.htm?stnid=8518750

Alex
April 9, 2016 2:18 am

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The only conclusion that you can make about this is that the photons were not directed to the detector.
You mentioned scattering.
A 1 degree deviation of the photon would miss the detector completely. The photon could spear off to space and you have no way of knowing that.
The graph doesn’t mean what you think it means

ECB
Reply to  Alex
April 9, 2016 5:49 am

Alex
The graph is valid. The scattering occurs in all directions. The only issue is the NET outward IR, as this is the only way the earth can cool itself, other than variations in reflected short wavelengths from cloud tops, ice, etc.

Reply to  ECB
April 9, 2016 9:56 am

Also the comment that the temperature at the effective emission height of 5km is 280K is wrong, the 280K corresponds to the surface and from that graph it’s less than 280K. As a result he assumes that the H2O absorption is far higher than it actually is.

Reply to  Alex
April 9, 2016 3:18 pm

What the instrument sees from 700 km in space is not photons from the surface.comment image
Photons in the fundamental bending bands are gobbled up by CO2 (and casually absorbed by water as well) within a hundred meters of the surface. This great height is reached only by the weaker constructive and destructive rotational bands on either side of fundamental 15um/667.4 bending. The fundamental band is 90% absorbed within one meter.comment image
Photons in these fundamental bending bands are extinct in the atmosphere from about 100 meters to about 5 km, where they start to register again, probably kinetically energized by near IR excited water.
The lapse rate stalls out and goes straight up between 10 and 20 km as UV activated ozone kicks in and the satellites see strong CO2 radiance at 220k blackbody temperature corresponding to about 18 km altitude. This radiance is kinetically induced by ozone.
The reason all this is important is that all this radiance the satellites see is NOT surface energy. No “area under the curve” w/m2 derivation is valid. They think they are seeing apples, but they are seeing oranges.
The fundamental bands produce no more warming today than they did in 1850. What human CO2 has done is to concentrate that warming in a shorter altitude profile, causing surface thermometers to rise.

Alex
Reply to  Alex
April 10, 2016 6:01 am

It’s also not an actual-real graph. the general form is very close to a grey body. Not possible because the earth is not a grey body. The graph is some sort of composite- modelled thing. I am only critisizing the image and not the thread

Russ Wood
April 9, 2016 6:56 am

As a South African, may I request that Professor LLoyd tries to get as many of the SA “news blogs” to reprint this article, since it’s one of the clearest definitions of the “Great Global Warming Swindle” that I have read. Thanks, Professor, for your clarity – but I fear that so many of the modern generation just don’t read, and need to be told stuff.

Reply to  Russ Wood
April 9, 2016 9:58 am

I would suggest that he address the several errors first otherwise he may end up being extremely embarrassed!

Gamecock
April 9, 2016 7:54 am

4. The expected increase in the energy of the lower troposphere may cause long-term changes in the climate . . . which could be characterized by increasing frequency . . . of extreme weather events’
I respectfully disagree.
Coastal Carolina is subject to getting landfalling hurricanes. That is its climate. Whether they get one on average of every 7 years or every 21 years (a tripling of frequency), it DOES NOT change the climate.

Uncle Gus
April 9, 2016 10:06 am

“So the evidence that fossil fuel burning is the underlying cause of the increase in the CO2 in the atmosphere is really conclusive.”
Sorry, but no.
Suppose CO2 was being removed from the atmosphere at exactly the same rate that human industry was putting it there. The proportion of C13 would still decrease. Same thing if it was being removed *faster* than we put it there.
So the increase in CO2, parallel to the increase in industrial emissions, proves… that CO2 is increasing. Only if the increase could be shown to consist of carbon isotopes in exactly the same proportions as human industrial emissions, could it definitely be blamed on human industry. Unless someone’s done that bit of hard maths, it’s still only suggestive.
I know it’s considered cool and groovy these days to concede the warmists the argument on this one, but do please lets maintain a bit of rigour, even when it’s unfashionable.

Reply to  Uncle Gus
April 10, 2016 11:24 am

Uncle Gus,
As said somewhere up thread, indeed it may be simple dilution of the human “fingerprint”, but as the observed decline in δ13C is about 1/3 of what it would be if human emissions should stay in the atmosphere, that needs a threefold extra amount of natural (oceanic) CO2. Thus all together an increase of four times the human contribution. What is observed is that the increase in the atmosphere is only half the human contribution. Which rejects the simple dilution by some extra natural CO2.
In fact one can estimate the deep ocean – atmosphere carbon cycle based on the dilution of the δ13C level caused by human emissions:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/deep_ocean_air_zero.jpg
Which gives around 40 GtC/year, the same value as found for the fast decay of the 14C bomb tests spike.

April 9, 2016 11:38 am

ristvan
April 8, 2016 at 10:51 am
“It is the ratio of 12C to 13C. Fossil fuels produce 12C cause thats what C3 photosynthesis plants consumed to produce the fossil fuels in the first place. 15% of terrestrial plant biomass is C4 (e.g grasses and derivatives like corn and sugarcane). Dunno about aquatic plants. Those C4 grasses take up 12C and 13C equally.”
However, plankton preferentially take up C12 and recent papers tell us that plankton blooms are increasing. Can I suggest that the human added CO2 therefore has a preferentially increasing sink in phytoplankton? Moreover, along with the noticeable greening of the planet – abundant new C4 vegetation is also taking up more C12 (plus C13). It is clear to me that this is no where near a steady state type situation in terms of sinks. The sinks are increasing exponentially, certainly on land but possibly also in the oceans. Do a thought experiment: Y-1 fringe of new green plants around arid areas, Y-2 a new fringe within the first and further growth of the first, Y-3…..This is exponential. Hey, it’s also fattening earth’s trees and plants globably, too.
https://www.bigelow.org/index.php/news/current-news/increased-co2-enhances-plankton-growth
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130708103521.htm
The common argument against such exponential growth in the sinks is the limitation on available soluble iron because of the low solubility of iron species in the oceans but, the earth’s crust (and surface rocks) average 15% iron and ocean basalts 5 to 10% or more iron is the principal rock type in the ocean basins. Here (from Wiki) is where the iron comes from in the sea, the rest is brought in by rivers from the land:
“The common corrosion features of underwater volcanic basalt suggest that microbial activity may play a significant role in the chemical exchange between basaltic rocks and seawater. The significant amounts of reduced iron, Fe(II), and manganese, Mn(II), present in basaltic rocks provide potential energy sources for bacteria. Some Fe(II)-oxidizing bacteria cultured from iron-sulfide surfaces are also able to grow with basaltic rock as a source of Fe(II)”
All you ‘limited iron’ folks need a re-education from geological science, not physics or sociology. Plankton taking up iron will even help the bacteria to release more. There is no limit (A Cliffs of Dover picture on your wall of coccolithophores would help you to see that there is no limits on iron or calcium, which also has a low solubility in sea water, but makes up the oceans shells and fishes bones, etc).
We will reach a point well before CO2 doubling in the atmosphere where the sinks will be in near equilibrium with CO2 in the atmosphere and have a vibrant ocean and land ecology. We are already 80% of peak population expected in mid century and it will be a new Eden if we can somehow solve the psychological problems of the destroyers and their useful idiots.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
April 10, 2016 11:33 am

Gary Pearse,
The growth in sinks is surprisingly linear in ratio to the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere. That is for the sum of all sinks: oceans (surface and deep) and the biosphere as a whole.
There is only a known limit in the ocean surface (the “mixed layer”) due to ocean chemistry (~0.5 GtC/year sink rate), but until now no measurable limit in the uptake of the deep oceans (~3 GtC/year) or vegetation (~1 GtC/year). The latter is a rather small sink, as the coccoliths and vegetation don’t produce that much permanent storage of carbon. Most is short to medium storage and recycled by fish, bacteria, molds, insects, animals,…

tom
April 9, 2016 3:21 pm

No one ever seems to address why the last ice age ended. We didn’t have cars back then, but the glaciers melted anyway.

BigWaveDave
April 9, 2016 4:47 pm

Nobody breathes without CO2.

April 9, 2016 8:07 pm

Climate change is the madness of social activism. Instill fear by false catastrophes. The damage done to institutions especially academic ones is immense because it turns science into ideology and corrupts rationality. Study Nazism and its use of propaganda and you will recognize what’s being perpetrated today by the likes of Gore, Obama and Clinton.

April 9, 2016 8:11 pm

Climate change is the madness of social activism. Instill fear by false catastrophes. The damage done to institutions especially academic ones is immense because it turns science into ideology and corrupts rationality. Study Nazism and its use of propaganda and you will recognize what’s being perpetrated today by the likes of Obama and Clinton.

Dodgy Geezer
April 10, 2016 1:12 pm

…Injecting into the air 12C-rich CO2 from fossil fuels should therefore cause the 13C in the air to drop, which is precisely what is observed:
So the evidence that fossil fuel burning is the underlying cause of the increase in the CO2 in the atmosphere is really conclusive….

I cannot see that this follows. Injecting 12C rich CO2 into 13C CO2 will certainly drop the 13C/12C ratio. But that is ALL you can say. You can’t say anything about the total increase in CO2 volume, which depends on the balance between sinks and sources, and ABOUT WHICH WE KNOW LITTLE. You can guess that we have increased total CO2, but the change in ratio does not prove that one way or another…

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
April 11, 2016 4:30 am

Dodgy Geezer,
See my response here
You can’t say anything about the total increase in CO2 volume, which depends on the balance between sinks and sources
That balance is quite well known: at one side fossil fuel burning (from sales inventories) and accurate measurements of the increase in the atmosphere at the other side. Human emissions are (at least) twice the observed increase in the atmosphere… No need at all to know any individual sink or source in nature.

afonzarelli
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
April 11, 2016 7:21 am

The mass balance argument does not preclude the possibility that a natural imbalance could be producing a 2 ppm (or 3 ppm…) net addition to the atmosphere and that the anthropogenic equilibrium sink rate could be near 100%. Were that the case, the natural imbalance would be the reason (or cause…) that the rise is happening even though “nature is a net sink for carbon dioxide”…

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
April 11, 2016 11:54 am

Fonzie,
That is only possible if some natural sink has a preference for human CO2, which – as far as I know – is not the case. Almost all human emissions is reaching the bulk of the atmosphere, directly or indirectly: a tree or lake that captures a human CO2 molecule will capture one less natural molecule.
Capturing by trees and lakes or oceans is in ratio to the total extra CO2 pressure in the atmosphere, locally (for trees) and/or globally (for oceans). As the extra human CO2 contribution globally is about 0.05 ppmv/day, that hardly plays a role in the 110 ppmv extra CO2 pressure in the atmosphere, except in highly concentrated urban and industrial areas.
Except for the small difference in 13C/12C ratio, plants or oceans have no preferences and simply capture CO2 from any source alike. That means that if the natural carbon cycle dwarfs the human emissions, it must have increased a fourfold in the past 55 years: human emissions, increase in the atmosphere and net sink rate all increased a fourfold. The total natural cycle needs to have increased a fourfold too in the same period, or not at all, or you can’t have a fourfold increase in net sink rate from a fourfold increase in human emissions alone.
There is no observation on earth that shows a substantial increase in the natural carbon cycle. To the contrary: the latest estimates of the residence time show a small increase compared to older estimates, which points to a rather stable throughput in an increasing mass of CO2 in the atmosphere…

Scottar
April 14, 2016 12:23 am

My own research has lead to these 2 papers:
http://l4patterns.com/uploads/virtual_vs_reality_report.pdf
Why CO2 has Nothing to Do with Temperatures
By Dr Darko Butina
http://jvarekamp.web.wesleyan.edu/CO2/FP-1.pdf
Carbon Dioxide Absorption in the Near Infrared
The first one shows that the atmosphere acts like a blanket and the principle warming factor is specific heat related. Water vapor primarily act like a moderator and the oceans act like heat reservoirs.
The second paper shows that CO2 does not trap IR radiation in the 15u band but absorbs it either by conventional molecular agitation or energy band excitation. It’s absorbs in the 15u energy band and readmits at a lower energy band in accordance with conservation of energy laws. Since both water vapor and CO2 absorb in the 15u band is why satellites see it as a gray blank. It’s being readmitted at lower energy levels.
Also realize that the incoming solar energy is at a much higher energy level of 63×10^6 Wm^-2 while the black body level is at 240 Wm^-2 (area under the curve).

Scottar
April 14, 2016 12:32 am

My own research has lead to these 2 papers:
http://l4patterns.com/uploads/virtual_vs_reality_report.pdf
Why CO2 has Nothing to Do with Temperatures
By Dr Darko Butina
http://jvarekamp.web.wesleyan.edu/CO2/FP-1.pdf
Carbon Dioxide Absorption in the Near Infrared
The first one shows that the atmosphere acts like a blanket and the principle warming factor is specific heat related. Water vapor primarily act like a moderator and the oceans act like heat reservoirs.
The second paper shows that CO2 does not trap IR radiation in the 15u band but absorbs it either by conventional molecular agitation or energy band excitation. It’s absorbs in the 15u energy band and readmits at a lower energy band in accordance with conservation of energy laws. Since both water vapor and CO2 absorb in the 15u band is why satellites see it as a gray blank. It’s being readmitted at lower energy levels.
Also realize that the incoming solar energy is at a much higher energy level of 63×10^6 Wm^-2 while the black body level is at 240 Wm^-2 (area under the curve).