
Actual headline from press release:
Sea-level rise too big to be pumped away
From the POTSDAM INSTITUTE FOR CLIMATE IMPACT RESEARCH (PIK)
Future sea-level rise is a problem probably too big to be solved even by unprecedented geo-engineering such as pumping water masses onto the Antarctic continent. The idea has been investigated by scientists at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact. While the pumped water would certainly freeze to solid ice, the weight of it would speed up the ice-flow into the ocean at the Antarctic coast. To store the water for a millennium, it would have to be pumped at least 700 kilometer inland, the team found. Overall that would require more than one tenth of the present annual global energy supply to balance the current rate of sea-level rise.
“We explored a way to at least delay the rise of sea level we can no longer avoid by even the strictest climate-change mitigation strategies. This is estimated to reach about 40 cm by the end of the century,” says lead-author Katja Frieler. “Our approach is definitely extreme, but so is the challenge of sea-level rise.” Burning fossil fuels leads to greenhouse-gas emissions that drive up global temperatures. Consequently, the thermal expansion of ocean water and the melting of glaciers and ice-sheets slowly raise sea levels, which will continue for millennia. Under unabated warming, sea level rise may exceed 130 centimeters by 2100.
Sacrificing Antarctica for saving Bangladesh?
“This is huge. Local adaptation, for instance building dikes, will not be physically possible or economically feasible everywhere,” Frieler says. “Protection may depend on your economic situation – so New York might be saved, but sadly not Bangladesh, and this clearly raises an equity issue,” she adds. “Hence the interest in a universal protection measure. We wanted to check whether sacrificing the uninhabited Antarctic region might theoretically enable us to save populated shores around the world.” Rising oceans are already increasing storm surge risks, threatening millions of people worldwide, and in the long run can redraw the planet’s coastlines.
The scientists addressed the problem from an ice-dynamics perspective, using state-of-the-art computer simulations of Antarctica. Since the ice is continually moving, ocean water put on its surface can only delay sea-level rise – and if it is placed too close to the coast, ice-sheet mass loss and thus sea-level rise after some time could even increase, they found. As a consequence the water has to be pumped a long way inland onto the ice sheet.
“Even if this was feasible, it would only buy time”
The Antarctic ice sheet is up to 4000 meters high, and that would mean an inconceivable engineering effort. Pumping so much water that high up onto the ice sheet requires enormous amounts of energy. Antarctica is very windy, so the power for the pumping could in principle be generated by wind turbines – yet this would require building roughly 850.000 wind-energy plants onto the ice continent. The costs are expected to be much higher than those associated with local adaptation in other studies, though these measures by definition are limited in scope and scale, the scientists state.
“The magnitude of sea-level rise is so enormous, it turns out it is unlikely that any engineering approach imaginable can mitigate it,” concludes co-author Anders Levermann, head of Global Adaptation Strategies at PIK and scientist at Columbia University’s Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory. “Even if this was feasible, it would only buy time – when we stop the pumping one day, additional discharge from Antarctica will increase the rate of sea-level rise even beyond the warming-induced rate. This would mean putting another sea-level debt onto future generations.” Also, the most sensitive coastal ecosystems of Antarctica would of course be seriously affected by this measure.
Greenhouse-gas reductions, local coastal protection, and abandonment
If possible at all, delaying the rise by storing water on Antarctica would only show significant effects in a scenario of ambitious climate policy, strictly limiting global warming. “If we’d continue to do business as usual and churn out emissions,” says Levermann, “not even such an immense macro-adaptation project as storing water on Antarctica would suffice to limit long-term sea-level rise – more than 50 meters in the very long term without climate change mitigation. So either way, rapid greenhouse-gas emission reductions are indispensable if sea-level rise is to be kept manageable. In any way substantial investment into long-term local coastal protection will be required if we want to avoid a stepwise abandonment of coastal areas.”
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Article: Frieler, K., Mengel, M., Levermann, A. (2016): Delaying future sea-level rise by storing water in Antarctica. Earth System Dynamics
Weblink to the article once it is published: http://www.earth-syst-dynam.net/
I suppose they could use Nuclear powered Ice Breakers positioned as close to shore as they can get in summertime, to provide the electricity. For a pilot project they may not need to pump it that far. Then we know that we have a solution that could actually work. If the Sealevel does decide to rise.
We’re told about the calamities that people will face when they can’t get out of the way of seas that are rising about an eighth of an inch per year. Meanwhile people fish in the Bay of Fundy where the sea level changes 50 feet with the tides twice a day.
…D’oh !! ( sorry, couldn’t help myself ) ; )
If you can pollute “climate adaptation” discussions with enough absolutely loony and unquantifiably expensive ideas like this, it makes the cost of “carbon reduction” schemes seem cheap by comparison. I think that is the point of studies like this — “look here, it’s obviously impossible to adapt to sea level rise; we have no choice but to avoid it in the first place”.
I think my response to your earlier post is less “loony” than the Potty Scientists idea.
This is a very shrewd observation.
There is a phrase for a period or epoch when the sea level rises. It’s called “Interglacial period.” There is a phrase for a period or epoch when sea level falls. It’s called “Ice Age.” I don’t think there is a word for a period of epoch when sea level stays the same for 100’s of years because that doesn’t happen.
great point scott
Well said, Scott.
The CAGW meme (e.g. Mann et al) fraudulently assumes that the earth’s climate systems were static prior to the industrial age. Natural climate forces disappeared in the 20th century and only man’s GHG’s forcings remained afterwards — this is just Genesis re-written for the “progressive” age. Man has been expelled from the garden of eden, his offspring born into sin and must seek redemption to save the mortal earth. CAGW dogma doesn’t pass the sniff test any better than young earth creationism.
“We explored a way to at least delay the rise of sea level we can no longer avoid by even the strictest climate-change mitigation strategies. This is estimated to reach about 40 cm by the end of the century,” says lead-author Katja Frieler.
Umm… That is less than 2 cm per year. That also happens to be the natural rate of sea level rise earth has been experiencing since the end of the little ice age.
2mm/yr, not 2cm. (40mm to yr 2100) seems to be the rate of rise at present.
These people are seriously crazy.
What they need to do to solve the problem, is fill penguins with sea water and launch them into orbit.
“is fill penguins with sea water and launch them into orbit.”
Brilliant idea! Better yet, launch them into the sun, cooling the Earth, reducing ice melt and sea-level rise, etc.
Can’t. A giant man-caused iceberg blocked the bay where they used to live and now all the penguins are dead!!! :p
Best idea of the lot! Gold star to you, Glenn. 🙂
Give me $1,000,000 to study this for three years and I’ll write a report on it when I’m done.
Climate Scientology.
This is another job for negative interest rates in the final stages of denial over social and financial conditions.
This article is seriously daft. The authors need to look up cyclothems, and get some sort of a clue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclothems
http://www.britannica.com/science/cyclothem
Humans do not have a capacity or option to ‘avoid’ sea level rise, or fall. If you think that’s a human talent or want to pretend that’s a policy ‘option’, you’ve made all sorts of deeply flawed and ignorant presumptions. We are flees on a dog, at best. Sorry your fantasies are not going to work out.
What’s next? Pretend you can stop the tidal change globally?
You see, even if we could stop all tides, globally (which, in case you didn’t know, we can’t, with out removing moon and sun from solar system) that would actually be meddling with a vital feature of the natural systems of the planet.
As would be the attempt to avoid sea level change, you freakin environmental vandals.
For the lazy readers
http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/changes/htmls/tropical/upland_readmore_cyclothem.html
This would be a great opportunity to build massive ice sculptures in the image of the greatest dear climate change scare leaders. It could dwarf Rushmore.
Here’s another “duh” question for these geniuses. Why does it have to be pumped onto Antarctica? The oceans go to ALL continents! Surely each continent could just suck up part of it and do whatever the crap they want to with it? Building many pipelines like the ones they build for oil would create “green jobs” (as well as building desalination systems) and provide fresh water to poor countries that so desperately need it.
Better yet, we just fill the special cube shaped bags someone suggested here with sea water and seal them and build liquid filled retaining walls around “sinking” countries and turn wind turbines into giant sprinklers that pump water out of the oceans and spray it on land! Imagine the water parks we’d have!!
Why though? You can just plug a huge pneumatic hose into the nearest volcano and inflate the earth with CO2, and that way the ocean basins would increase in area and volume, and the sea level would fall again.
Two birds, one stone, grasshopper.
Let me guess; they’ve been spiking the Greenie Kool Ade punch again. And had a party, and some “genius” climaloon came up with this “solution” to a non-problem.
Pumping sea water onto Antarctica makes a lot of sense! But I have an easier solution. Just have everyone open up their refrigerator and freezer doors to cool things down, especially in the summer when it’s so hot. And in the winter it would help water freeze so it wouldn’t be going into the ocean in the first place and raising the level. And we build solar arrays to power everything – it’s free! See how easy it all is? Oh, and I will accept only a modest fee for my brilliant ideas on how to solve this pressing problem for humanity.
C’mon, we’ve got to think rationally about this. We can get rid of this extra water. Now, how many billion of us are there? Right. So, if we each drank two glasses of water a day…/sarc.
Cheaper to flood Western Australia once more, 200m below current sea level and,
it used to be a sea, Just did a canal or a tunnel and the water will flow all by itself downhill.
How many coal-fired power plants would it take to pump all that water from the southern oceans uphill into the interior of Antarctica? I’m guessing a significant percentage of the world’s total power consumption.
Everybody can see the warnings from 2001 about all the flooded areas have happened. Canal street in NYC is under 20 feet of water. Most of Mami is drowning in 4 feet of water. The ice from Antarctica has slide off in the ocean from all this warming. Most of Greenland is ice free. India is suffering from lack of water from no snow fall in the Himalayan mountains. Super hurricanes are washing ashore in the US. It’s worse than we thought. This all happened by 2013. The horror. Whole island nations have disappeared.
Same story, different date. There is no math to support whatever happened to the relationship between co2 and temperature between 1998/1999 and today. How are they able to make those assertions based on what? Their assumptions? Even if this was the hottest year on record, it falls below the lowest modeled temperature for this year. How is that causation?
Why not just pump all the ” EXTRA ” ocean water onto the deserts…they seem to be lacking ….water !
Something rather crucial that’s been entirely missed by the “scientists” and the commenters here is the very large quantity of heat which would be transferred to the Antarctic icecap. Forget all the insurmountable practical difficulties for the moment – by far the most efficient way of transferring heat energy to the icecap would be to pump seawater up there. Water has the highest latent heat of fusion of almost any substance; when it freezes, it will give up that heat to its surroundings – the ice and the air above it.
Have a look at this table of some common substances:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/latent-heat-melting-solids-d_96.html
Water, at 334 kJ/kg has the highest value in the table. Significantly warming the icecap and the air above it doesn’t seem to me to be the solution to any problem we might have now, or in the future. Perhaps the “scientists” might consider the consequences of just another crazy geo-engineering scheme in a little more detail. I’ve just begun doing so, and my mind is already boggling.
From a CAGW point of view, this plan to pump seawater has a major failing. Even if it were feasible, keeping the sea level constant would still not accomplish the goal of killing off 95% of the humans on this planet.
I am in San Diego, so I looked up the sea level history for this location. It appears to be rising slowly and has risen about 200 mm in the last 100 years, or 2 mm/year. Why are they worried about such a slow sea level rise? It hasn’t affected my coastline in my lifetime, 80 years or so.
If we are going to seriously talk about moving some sea water then let’s talk about setting up siphons with in line turbines to generate electricity. There are some basins that could be filled / refilled. One I can think of is the Salton Sea. There are much bigger ones in other parts of the world.
James – the Salton Sea is located over the southern end of the San Andreas Fault – time for a little reflection perhaps.
“Flooding of Ancient Salton Sea Linked to San Andreas Earthquakes:
Study finds that faults beneath the Salton Sea ruptured during Colorado River floods and may have triggered large earthquakes on the southern San Andreas Fault”
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/1929
“Loading of the San Andreas fault by flood-induced rupture of faults beneath the Salton Sea”, Brothers et. al., 2010
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v4/n7/full/ngeo1184.html
Well, that’s germany.
Look up ‘Mauthausen stairs of death’
Thanks Anthony + staff for the guts.
Doing great work – all thumps up!
Best Regards – Hans