Claim: Climate Change is Endangering Crocodiles

Sarcosuchus Imperator, which lived in the much warmer Cretaceous Age, author Arthur Weasley, source Wikimedia.
Artist’s impression of the Gigantic Sarcosuchus Imperator, which lived in the much warmer Cretaceous Period. Artist Arthur Weasley, source Wikimedia.

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

A study by University of Queensland Professor Craig Franklin claims that crocodiles may be endangered by global warming.

According to the Press Release;

Professor Craig Franklin of the UQ School of Biological Sciences said saltwater crocodiles exposed to long-term elevated water temperature spent less time submerged once water temperature exceeded 31.5 degrees Celsius.

“We thought that crocodiles – like many animals – would adjust to temperature changes so life continues,” he said.

“However, we were surprised to find they had little capacity to compensate for water temperature changes and seemed to be hard-wired to operate at certain temperatures.

“We are not sure what this means, but it’s likely that if the water is too hot, crocodiles might move to cooler regions, or will seek refuge in deep, cool water pockets to defend their dive times.”

Read more: https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2015/12/hot-water-puts-crocs-risk

The abstract of the study;

Diving in a warming world: the thermal sensitivity and plasticity of diving performance in juvenile estuarine crocodiles (Crocodylus porous)

Essie M. Rodgers, Jonathon J. Schwartz and Craig E. Franklin*

Air-breathing, diving ectotherms are a crucial component of the biodiversity and functioning of aquatic ecosystems, but these organisms may be particularly vulnerable to the effects of climate change on submergence times. Ectothermic dive capacity is thermally sensitive, with dive durations significantly reduced by acute increases in water temperature; it is unclear whether diving performance can acclimate/acclimatize in response to long-term exposure to elevated water temperatures. We assessed the thermal sensitivity and plasticity of ‘fright-dive’ capacity in juvenile estuarine crocodiles (Crocodylus porosus; n = 11). Crocodiles were exposed to one of three long-term thermal treatments, designed to emulate water temperatures under differing climate change scenarios (i.e. current summer, 28°C; ‘moderate’ climate warming, 31.5°C; ‘high’ climate warming, 35°C). Dive trials were conducted in a temperature-controlled tank across a range of water temperatures. Dive durations were independent of thermal acclimation treatment, indicating a lack of thermal acclimation response. Acute increases in water temperature resulted in significantly shorter dive durations, with mean submergence times effectively halving with every 3.5°C increase in water temperature (Q10 0.17, P < 0.001). Maximal dive performances, however, were found to be thermally insensitive across the temperature range of 28–35°C. These results suggest that C. porosus have a limited or non-existent capacity to thermally acclimate sustained ‘fright-dive’ performance. If the findings here are applicable to other air-breathing, diving ectotherms, the functional capacity of these organisms will probably be compromised under climate warming.

Read more: http://conphys.oxfordjournals.org/content/3/1/cov054.abstract?sid=dcc65b8f-cd23-4284-87cf-25f60de8bf95

To their credit Professor Frankly et al put some fairly strong caveats in the body of the study itself, for example;

The deleterious effects of climate change on ectotherms may, however, be counteracted by compensatory responses. Thermal stress can be buffered by both behavioural and physiological strategies. Pockets of thermally favourable habitat can be sought out or shuttled between to maintain body temperature within a preferred thermal range (Seebacher, 2005; Seebacher and Franklin, 2005). Alternatively, long-term changes in thermal regimens (e.g. seasonal shifts in temperatures) can induce physiological changes, where the thermal effects on biochemical processes are blunted (Johnston and Dunn, 1987).

Read more: http://conphys.oxfordjournals.org/content/3/1/cov054.full

I think I’ll go with the caveats on this one. Crocodiles are a survival of a much warmer world – for example, crocodiles were far more prevalent in the Cretaceous Period, which lasted from 145 to 66 million years ago, was on average 4C hotter than today, and had an average CO2 level of 1700ppm, over 4x higher than today. The largest crocodile which ever lived, twice as big as the largest modern species, enjoyed a widespread habitat during this warm period.

In addition, many species of crocodile, such as Australia’s infamous salty, can swim 100s of miles in a month – so they would have no difficulty migrating to more comfortable habitats, if their current habitat ever becomes unsuitable for any reason.

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prjindigo
December 18, 2015 2:30 pm

And today I had to order a new NOT soda-and-chips-spew-covered keyboard due to an actual news article that someone took seriously.

Alan Robertson
December 18, 2015 2:34 pm

Can’t wait for “Crocnado”.

Marcus
Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 18, 2015 2:38 pm

Don’t give them ideas…They are crazy enough as it is !!!

B.j
December 18, 2015 2:41 pm

Dose anybody know the body temperature of a Crocodylus porosus? and don’t they bask or shade to help with temperature?

Marcus
Reply to  B.j
December 18, 2015 4:07 pm

Anyone that has been eaten knows the exact inside temperature of Crocodylus porosus…just sayin’

RobertBobbert GDQ
Reply to  B.j
December 18, 2015 5:21 pm

B.j
Hello from The Land of the Kangaroo and I can assure you that taking the temperature of a Crocodylus porosus or any critter with Croc as part of its name is NOT part of the high School curriculum here.
How does one take the Temp of a Croc and I assume it does not involve asking the critter to just open wide and say aagh.
I also assume that it involves a certain rear opening and a big surprise for the crocodile which could explain their bad attitude.
Therefore does anyone know the body temp of a Croc?
Not if they are in their right mind and Catastrophic Climate Change Crocodile Academics (CCCCA) are not in their right mind.
‘Professor! You want me to put the Thermometer where!!!’
Robbo is spot on. Bring on CROCNADO. Cmon on Dr Susan. Make it so.
CLIMATE JUSTICE FOR CROCODILES NOW!

Reply to  RobertBobbert GDQ
December 18, 2015 7:33 pm

You just described a perfect pre-requisite course for climate scientists. How to really take a tamperature. 😉

December 18, 2015 3:11 pm

Is there anything on the planet that isn’t endangered by climate change? Seriously. If we were to enter an Ice Age many species (including us) would be endangered. What else is new?
We pay people for this? Is there now an official Master’s Degree in the Obvious? Can any of these people find work changing the oil in your car? Taking out the trash? Cleaning your office? Anything useful would be nice.

Marcus
Reply to  Bartleby
December 18, 2015 4:07 pm

Me…I hate the cold !!

Reply to  Bartleby
December 19, 2015 12:00 am

Marcus, there’s a reason I no longer raise livestock on the western slope of the ROcky Mountains. You and I should seriously consider buying beachfront property in Playa del Carmen together…

hunter
December 18, 2015 3:18 pm

Another rent seeking faux study. The billions of dollars the climate parasites like this academic leech have sucked into their wallets on phony studies designed to use “climate” as a sales prop could have done real science and actually helped people and knowledge. the world is poorer and more ignorant thanks to this author.

tango
December 18, 2015 3:20 pm

give me give me give me $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Paul
Reply to  tango
December 19, 2015 4:32 am

a Bernie voter?

rishrac
December 18, 2015 3:35 pm

I guess the crocs got used to ice age type of weather and didn’t survive any of the last warming periods. Surely I must be mistaken. The climate never changed before so quickly, not before man started releasing that evil co2 molecule. Oh, the horror!!! What is co2 not responsible for? If it wasn’t for co2, we’d still be in the garden of eden.

chris moffatt
December 18, 2015 3:37 pm

I predict this won’t be a problem until suddenly saltwater crocs are found to have somehow migrated to the Canberra area and are eating unsuspecting MPs. One wonders how people will then defend themselves in a country where nobody is allowed to own firearms. You know big sticks aren’t going to hack it, right?

Jim Francisco
Reply to  chris moffatt
December 18, 2015 6:04 pm

Chris. You can use a big stick to help a person that is being attacked by a croc by hitting that person in the head.

Reply to  chris moffatt
December 19, 2015 12:16 am

Chris wrote: “I predict this won’t be a problem until suddenly saltwater crocs are found to have somehow migrated to the Canberra area and are eating unsuspecting MPs.”
Chris? Are there “suspecting” MPs? MPs wouldn’t be able to successfully lobby Parliament to protect themselves against croc attack. It’s what we in the biological/environmental disciplines refer to as a “self limiting behavior”. After a short while (maybe 5 or 10 generations) there won’t be any MPs left to vote against gun control in Australia simply because they’ve all been eaten by something smarter, bigger and faster than them.

Another Ian
December 18, 2015 4:05 pm

Eric
Not crocodiles exactly but around the tentacles of climate change
http://www.beefcentral.com/news/tough-tree-laws-not-backed-by-evidence-senior-ecologist/
and link

ferdberple
Reply to  Another Ian
December 19, 2015 7:13 am

notice it is only the retired scientists speaking out. no one else dares. the politically correct climate police will force them out of their jobs if they give the wrong answer.

jsuther2013
December 18, 2015 4:26 pm

It makes you wonder what these guys are smoking.

dp
December 18, 2015 4:27 pm

Some days you see a story like this and wonder how settled the science really is.
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/406277/a-thousand-shrines-shine-here.html
Obviously stone workers in ancient India found a way to work river bottom hard pan without breathing machinery, or the current state of the climate has happened before.

gary turner
Reply to  dp
December 18, 2015 11:14 pm

I’m just trying to imagine a river in the US bible-belt that has 1,000 phalluses carved in its bed and banks. Oh, the humanity!

E.M.Smith
Editor
Reply to  gary turner
December 20, 2015 3:15 am

So you are saying these are cunningly carved underwater lingas of Shiva?
And there are no cunning lingas in the USA?
Oh, the humanity…

tty
December 18, 2015 4:33 pm

Now crocodiles are ectotherms, and their metabolism is linked to the temperature of their surroundings. So it isn’t surprising at all that their diving time goes down as water temperature increases. A higher body temperature means higher metabolic rate and greater oxygen consumption (and presumably a greater appetite as well). It also means higher activity level and faster movement, so quite possibly the crocs get whatever they need to do during the dive done in a shorter time as well.
And note that during the very warm PETM 55 million years ago there were crocodiles (alligators to be exact) on northern Ellesmere Land, less than 1,000 kilometers from the North Pole. But there were still crocodiles in the Tropics at the same time.
By the way it is not coincidental that those polar crocs were alligators. Alligators can stand significantly colder climate than any other crocodiles. There are “true” crocodiles (Crocodylus acutus) in southern Florida but even there conditions are marginal for them during cold winters, though a population near Homestead are doing well due to living in warm water from a nuclear power plant.

wayne Job
December 18, 2015 4:33 pm

The crocs in OZ lay around in direct sun most of the day, as they are cold blooded. This is the silliest piece of scientific BS ever published.

ferdberple
Reply to  wayne Job
December 19, 2015 7:15 am

the silliest piece of scientific BS ever published
===============
there is some pretty stiff competition for that award. Just ask Mann.

December 18, 2015 4:51 pm

I guess biologists haven’t got the memo about the cap on ocean temperatures! Ocean surfaces just don’t get hotter than 31C. At this temperature, the rate of evaporation would serve as a thermostat to cap it there. Work of Willis with Ceres data and other researchers have long noted that SSTs have this limit. Now it could be breached by a volcano or an asteroid heating it up in a violent evolution of steam and I’m afraid under those conditions we would lose a few crocs and a bunch of other citizens. But we are going to have to wait for the next generation of climatist clones to make these things anthropogenic. Are the standards of science reparable? Gee I hope so. Why wouldn’t such a researcher consult colleagues who know this kind of thing. Here we have a totally impossible piece of work. Probably was using simulated crocs and extrapolating climate curves.
I’m afraid Ozzies have been distinguishing themselves in a not very flatteriing way. How come such a large proportion of the world’s idiotic science papers come out of that continent? How do they do in these world comparative tests in math and science. Here is an urgent policy issue for the gov of oz to take on. I hope I’m not making bad friends with the bright oz scientists I come across at WUWT, JoNova, etc. But comon’ the ARC Centre of Excellence in Climate Science? Talk about protesteth(ing) too much. It is well known that only countries run by despots call the country The “Democratic” Republic of…. or the Deutche Demokratisch Republik. In Canada our socialist party is called the New Democratic Party, just so there is no doubt! Didn’t the ARC Centre also give an award to Turney, admiral of the Ship of Fools expedition to Antarctica?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 19, 2015 12:18 am

It’s the “lucky” country don’t ya know! And we are good a bullsh!ting, oh sorry I meant playing ball games.

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 19, 2015 11:59 am

Yes, some of our predictive ‘ science’ is truly embarrassing, but then, you have to keep the old faculty afloat. This is called innovation, finding a new way of directing facts to a new and hitherto never considered position, never before seen in the evolution of a particular species.
The biggest loser will be news outlets in the NT.
Where will they get their obligatory ‘ croc stories’, when the crocs die out?
Here is a typical one
http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/darwin-man-risks-testicle-in-jaws-of-saltwater-crocodile/news-story/b70a3691a07cd97db52ae25bcbf8c1a2

December 18, 2015 5:10 pm

“The distribution of the saltwater crocodile is fairly large as it extends from India in the west to Australia in the east; it includes Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Indonesia and Papua New Guinea.” (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140723171749-210975266-the-distribution-and-abundance-of-saltwater-crocodiles-crocodylus-porosus-post-1971-in-northern-australia). Looking at http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/sst/ophi/ this area has some of the warmest sea water going, with some patches today >30C, especially near the northern coast of Australia. Maybe someone should go and see if there are salties there. Humans *do* pose a threat to crocodiles. They are vulnerable to habitat loss and high velocity lead poisoning. Most likely the climate will not be a problem for them.

Tom Judd
December 18, 2015 5:34 pm

We’re those temperature controlled tanks consistent in temperature top to bottom? I’m guessing, but I’ll bet they were. In the croc’s environment is the water temperature the same with depth? I’ll bet it’s not. Every lake I ever took a swim in the temperature gradient was quite noticeable off the surface. Like every reporter, pundit, politician, or research grant seeker, do these people really have any more intimate knowledge about their subject? I doubt it.

Marcus
Reply to  Tom Judd
December 18, 2015 6:03 pm

How could they, they never leave their ” Safe Space ” !!

Marcus
December 18, 2015 6:02 pm

Kill two birds with one stone…feed the liberals to the Crocs and then the Crocs will die of food poisoning ! Problem solved !

Geoff Sherrington
December 18, 2015 6:07 pm

Significant crocodile research was done in the 1970-80 period by a Sydney University team headed by Canadian born Professor Harry Messel AC CBE, who had a loud voice and an assertive, confident presentation. He passed away earlier this year.
I appeared with Harry to give evidence to a 1988 Australian Senate inquiry into the Kakadu National Park region, chaired by Senator Olive Zakharov, a left-leaning communist party sympathiser with a partner who was then a union activist.
Harry produced a large colour print of a big male croc strung up by the tail on a tall tripod. It had died after trapping in the nets of fishermen and had decayed. Harry maintained that proper resource management should not allow this to happen. Olive was almost crying as she spoke of the breeding potential lost with this magnificent specimen. Its value had passed, she suggested to Harry. “Hell yes” said Harry, saying forcefully that its value had passed all right, think of the dollars you could get for that skin.
Oh dear.
Since it became illegal to shoot crocodiles in Australia about 1971, they have gone from being hard-to-see reclusive creatures to large serial pests. They are hated by about everyone with whom I have discussed them.
I watched this growth over the years through visiting our Ranger Uranium mines project and fishing for barramundi in inland waters. It is a sobering statistic that not a person has been killed on the mine areas since the 1969 discovery. The one corporate death we had was an employee taken by a crocodile while on a day of recreation in the UN World Heritage listed Kakadu park
Oh dear.
And now there is concern about climate change disrupting the lifestyle of the croc. Is there not something better that can be done with scarce research funds?
Geoff.

gary turner
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
December 18, 2015 11:22 pm

Obviously, research funds are not all that scarce. That’s the problem. Were they scarce, better use would be made of them.

emsnews
December 18, 2015 6:34 pm

I live on a mountain in NY. We hunt and our friends hunt and we eat what we hunt and thanks to this the deer for example are not out of control. Bagged two this season.
Australia did away with hunting and now the crocks get to do what they did for millions of years: multiply and eat everyone else.

December 18, 2015 8:38 pm

I thought the tropics – especially the humid tropics and tropical waters – are supposed to have less temperature change than the rest of the world, especially the extratropical northern hemisphere. Historically this has been the case. The models predicted this, and this is one of the things that the models are getting right.

Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
December 19, 2015 6:15 am

I was in Lagos Nigeria in the mid 1960s and again in 1998. I specifically remember the temperature from the first time because going there, I read all I could about the place. The temperature here ~ 4N has not even varied in 50 years. The reason is, if I understand this correctly, SSTs have a cap of 31.5C which is controllled by the level of evaporation and convection at that temperature. Since this is a physcical constraint, there can be litttle doubt that it was true millions of years ago, too. The researchers these days don’t think to consult other specialists who could have informed him that his crocs wouldn’t be in any danger.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 19, 2015 7:59 am

Gary,
Clearly not a physical constraint, since tropical SSTs have been a lot hotter than 31 degrees C in the past. They were when the ancestors of Salties evolved, in the mid-Cretaceous, for instance.

Alan Robertson
December 18, 2015 8:43 pm

Crocin’ around the Christmas tree
Have a happy holiday…

RobertBobbert GDQ
Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 19, 2015 5:27 am

Hey Robbo,
Who Sang This?
Lets Climate Change Crock Croc Crock Everybody.
Lets Death Roll Roll Roll Everybody.
Lets Crock Croc Crock Everybody.
Lets Crock around The Croc Tonight.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  RobertBobbert GDQ
December 19, 2015 7:53 am

Think the first guy to sing it was an ol’ digger that got run out of the Yabba for bein’ too rowdy and then settled up in Darwin. He was a Croc skinner, or a tale spinner, or something like that.

4TimesAYear
Reply to  Alan Robertson
December 20, 2015 1:44 am

ROFL – You, too!

Patrick MJD
December 18, 2015 8:58 pm

Sheesh! This guy is an idiot! They have been on this rock for millions of years!! As we say downunder, what a crock!

December 18, 2015 9:39 pm

Reblogged this on Climatism and commented:
Australia is making plans to cull the population of crocs in the Kimberley’s due to the population having tripled over the past 30 years.
So, going by the ‘warming = croc decline’ theory, does that mean northern Aus has been cooling over the past 30 years?! Happy happy joy joy – planet saved!
Sarcastic stupid analogy, though just as stupid as this latest ‘climate change’ tagged study out of yet another global-warming-causes-everything, CO2 obsessed university study.
Publish or perish is the name of the game and if “climate change” doesn’t preface your study, you aint publishing nothing.
What a ‘croc’ of sh*t. (Apologise for profanity, but it was begging for it.)
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-23/call-for-croc-cull-discussion/6718514

Ed Zuiderwijk
December 18, 2015 10:41 pm

A really snappy subject.

M Seward
December 18, 2015 11:34 pm

The caveats say it all. Perhaps they should have started there and forgot about the paper. What a risible bit if junk ‘science’.
It just screams of the commoditisation of scientific’ research into module/packets known as LPU’s ( Least Publishable Units) which attract a modest but worthwhile financial reward.
Take a step back and just consider that crocodiles and sharks for that matter have been around on this planet of ours for some hundreds of millions of years. Consider what hose species have experienced, endured and survived. Read the caveats again with that in mind and you realise what a bit of speculative, confected drivel this LPU is.