Global Warming and the Age of the Earth: a Lesson on the Nature of Scientific Knowledge

knowledge1In the wake of Karl et al. 2015, which revises data to match a consensus, we can all take a lesson from how scientific consensus has operated in the past

Guest essay by Dr. David Deming

The world stands on the verge of committing itself to limits on the emission of carbon dioxide that would drastically reduce the use of fossil fuels. If this fateful decision is made, the economies of developed nations will be strangled. Human prosperity will be reduced. Our ability to solve pressing problems, both human and environmental, will be severely limited. We have been told that these shackles must be imposed to forestall a hypothetical global warming projected to occur some time in the distant future. But to date the only unambiguous evidence for planetary warming is a modest rise in temperature (less than one degree Celsius) that falls well within the range of natural variation.

The validity of warming predictions depends upon the questionable reliability of computer models of the climate system. But Earth’s climate system is complex and poorly understood. And the integrity of the computer models cannot be demonstrated or even tested. To anyone with an awareness of the nature and limitations of scientific knowledge, it must appear that the human race is repeating a foolish mistake from the past. We have been down this road before, most notably in the latter half of the nineteenth century when it appeared that mathematics and physics had conclusively answered the question of the Earth’s age. At that time, a science that had been definitely “settled” fell apart in the space of a few years. The mathematical models that appeared to be so certain proved to be completely, even ridiculously wrong.

The age of the Earth is one of the great questions that has puzzled people for thousands of years. In Meteorologica, Aristotle (384-322 BC) asserted that the world was eternal. But with the advent of Christianity and Islam, scholars began to assume that humanity was coeval with the Creation of the world. It followed that the age of the Earth could be estimated from a careful examination of sacred writings.

The first person to make a quantitative estimate of the Earth’s age was the Islamic scientist al-Biruni (c. 973-1050). al-Biruni based his chronology on the Hindu, Jewish, and Christian religious scriptures. He divided the history of the world into eras, and concluded that it had been less than ten thousand years since the Creation.

Working in the tradition begun by al-Biruni, Bishop James Ussher (1581-1686) estimated the age of the Earth by meticulously studying the Bible and other historical documents. In The Annals of the World Deduced from the Origin of Time, Ussher pinpointed the date of Creation as the “night preceding the 23rd of October, 4004 BC.” Ussher’s scholarship was impressive, and his dates were accepted as the standard chronology. Bible editors began to place Ussher’s dates in the margins of their texts.

Isaac Newton (1642-1727), the greatest scientist of the age, was also a Biblical fundamentalist who believed in a young Earth. Newton explained to his nephew, John Conduitt, that the Earth could not be old because all human technology was of recent invention. Like Ussher, Newton wrote his own universal history, Chronology of Ancient Kingdoms Amended, that was published posthumously in 1728.

The procedures for establishing a scientific estimate of the age of the Earth were laid out in the seventeenth century by the Danish anatomist, Nicolaus Steno (1638-1686). Steno was the first person to state unequivocally that the history of the Earth was not to be found in human chronicles, but in the Earth itself. Steno’s principles of geologic investigation became the basis for establishing the relative age of rock sequences and the foundation of historical geology.

Armed with Steno’s principles, eighteenth century naturalists began to seriously consider the implications of the rock record. It became apparent to them that an immense amount of time was required to deposit the rock layers that covered the Earth’s surface.

One of the first to recognize the scope of geologic time was the Scottish philosopher James Hutton (1726-1797). In the year 1788, Hutton was accompanied on a field trip by his friend, the mathematician, John Playfair (1748-1819). They traveled up the coastline of Scotland to Siccar Point, and Hutton described the history implied by the sequence of rocks exposed there. After listening to Hutton’s exposition, Playfair later wrote “the mind seemed to grow giddy by looking so far into the abyss of time.”

By the time Charles Darwin (1809-1882) published Origin of Species in 1859, geologists were of the opinion that the Earth was practically, although not literally, of infinite age. With infinite time at this disposal, Darwin was able to invoke the slow mechanism of natural selection as an explanation for the organic evolution evidenced in the fossil record.

To demonstrate the vast extent of geologic time, Darwin offered the erosion of the Weald, a seaside cliff in England, as an offhand example. Darwin assumed an erosion rate of an inch a century, and then extrapolated that some 300 million years were apparently necessary to explain the total amount of erosion that had occurred.

But Darwin’s estimated erosion rate of one inch per century was little more than speculation. The number was unconstrained by any measurement or scientific observation. Nineteenth-century geologists lacked any quantitative method for establishing dates. The rocks of the Earth’s crust might represent the passage of ten million years. But just as easily, the amount of time could have been a hundred, a thousand, or ten thousand million years.

Darwin and his geological colleagues were soon taken to the woodshed by the greatest physicist of the nineteenth century, William Thomson (1824-1907). Better known as Lord Kelvin, Thomson was a man of prodigious gifts who possessed enormous intellectual stature. He published his first scientific paper at age sixteen, and had been appointed a chaired professor at the University of Glasgow at the precocious age of twenty-two.

In 1861, Lord Kelvin began to seriously address the question of dating the Earth. He was aware that the Earth radiated internal heat. This process could not have been going on forever. By maintaining that the Earth was infinitely old, the geologists in effect were postulating that energy was not conserved. This violated the First Law of Thermodynamics, and Kelvin was aroused to do battle.

In the nineteenth century, the only known source for the internal heat of the Earth was the original mechanical heat of accretion. Reasoning that the Earth had been molten at the time of its formation, but cooling ever since, Kelvin was able to construct an elegant mathematical model that constrained the age of the Earth on the basis of its measured geothermal gradient. Much the same method is used today by coroners who estimate the time of death by taking the temperature of a cadaver.

In 1862, Kelvin published his analysis in a paper titled On the Secular Cooling of the Earth. He arrived at a best estimate for the age of the Earth of 100 million years. Kelvin’s estimate was no idle speculation. It was based on a precise mathematical model constrained by laboratory measurements and the laws of thermodynamics.

Kelvin attacked Darwin directly. He raised the question: were the laboratory measurements and mathematical calculations in error, or was it more likely “that a stormy sea, with possibly channel tides of extreme violence, should encroach on a chalk cliff 1,000 times more rapidly than Mr. Darwin’s estimate of one inch per century?”

Darwin was devastated. He wrote to his mentor, Charles Lyell, “for heaven’s sake take care of your fingers; to burn them severely, as I have done, is very unpleasant.” Geologists were left sputtering. They had no effective rebuttal to Kelvin’s calculations. Within a few years, the geological establishment began to line up with Lord Kelvin. Among the influential converts was Archibald Geikie, President of both the British Association for the Advancement of Science and the Geological Society of London.

Researchers began to look for evidence that would confirm Kelvin’s calculations. In 1865, Geologist Samuel Haughton had estimated the age of the Earth as 2300 million years, a number reasonably close to the modern value of 4500 million years. But under the influence of Kelvin’s authority, in 1878 Haughton drastically shortened his earlier calculation to 153 million years.

A lone voice of dissent was raised by the biologist, Thomas Huxley (1825-1895). Huxley pointed out that there was a fundamental weakness in Kelvin’s mathematical model. “Mathematics may be compared to a mill of exquisite workmanship, which grinds you stuff of any degree of fineness; but, nevertheless, what you get out depends on what you put in.” Put in more modern terms, Huxley’s observation amounted to “garbage in, garbage out.”

But as the end of the nineteenth century approached, the scientific community was beginning to regard Kelvin’s estimate of 100 million years as a near certainty. Writing in the American Journal of Science in 1893, geologist Warren Upham characterized Kelvin’s estimate of the age of the Earth as the most “important conclusion in the natural sciences…[that] has been reached during this century.”

The science was definitely settled in 1899 by the Irish physicist, John Joly (1857-1933). Joly hit upon a robust method for calculating the age of the Earth that was entirely different from Kelvin’s. Joly’s calculation was childishly simple, yet apparently foolproof. He estimated the age of the Earth by dividing the total salt content of the oceans by the rate at which salt was being carried to the sea by the rivers. He found that it would take 80 to 90 million years for the ocean’s salt to accumulate.

In consideration of the uncertainties involved, Joly’s age estimate was essentially identical to Thomson’s. With different methods yielding the same result, it seemed evident that the result was conclusive: the Earth was 100 million years old. It seemed that to deny this reality, was to deny not only the authority of the scientific establishment but the very laws of nature themselves.

The ingenious calculations of Kelvin and Joly were soon to be overturned by an improbable empiricism. In the thirteenth century, modern science began when philosophers came to the realization that logic alone could never uncover the secrets of the cosmos, no matter how seductive its appeal. Contemplation of the mysterious properties of the magnet convinced Roger Bacon and his contemporaries that nature contained occult or hidden forces that could never be discerned or anticipated rationally, only discovered experimentally.

In 1896, Henri Becquerel accidentally discovered radioactivity when he found that photographic plates were exposed when placed next to certain minerals. By 1904, it became apparent that there were radioactive minerals inside the Earth releasing heat. Lord Kelvin’s assumption of no internal heat sources was wrong. At the beginning of the twentieth century, it was not even clear if the Earth was cooling or heating. Thomson’s calculations were precise, but he had no way of knowing about radioactivity.

Radioactivity also provided a rigorous way to calculate the age of the Earth. The accepted modern estimate for the age of the Earth is 4500 million years. The nineteenth-century estimate of 100 million years that seemed so certain was wrong, not just by 20 or 30 percent, but by a factor of 45. In retrospect, the reason that Thomson’s estimates had been independently confirmed is that geologists looked for data that would support Thomson’s physics. The consensus that had emerged was the product of a human psychological process, not objective science. The nature of science is such that people who look for confirming evidence will always find it.

Compared to modern climate models, William Thomson’s models were simple, and contained only a few assumptions. In contrast, global warming models are hideously complex, and contain numerous hidden assumptions, many of which are highly uncertain. The most significant of these is whether water vapor will exert a negative or positive feedback on the warming induced by carbon dioxide. All the major climate models assume the feedback will be positive, exaggerating any possible warming. But recent research indicates the feedback may be negative. We don’t know.

There is also much we do not understand about why Earth’s climate changes. It is possible that cosmic rays, modulated by the Sun’s magnetic field, cool Earth by inducing the formation of clouds. We don’t know why Ice Ages end so spectacularly and suddenly. Once they begin, Ice Ages should continue indefinitely, as cooling is reinforced by a number of positive feedbacks.

We ought to be intelligent enough to acknowledge that we don’t know what we don’t know. Science is never settled. We should keep in mind Seneca’s admonition. “Nature does not reveal all her secrets at once. We imagine we are initiated in her mysteries: we are, as yet, but hanging around her outer courts.”

There has never been a time when the need for understanding the limits and nature of scientific knowledge is so compelling, or the ramifications of ignorance so consequential. Those who ignore history are apt to repeat its mistakes.


 

David Deming (ddeming@ou.edu) is a geophysicist and professor of arts and sciences at the University of Oklahoma. He is the author of a history of science in three volumes, Science and Technology in World History.

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June 7, 2015 1:32 pm

Reblogged this on gottadobetterthanthis and commented:

Oklahoma’s own!
Dr. Deming provides a historical overview as example of why we cannot take consensus as dogma. Science is never settled. Lord Kelvin’s model withstood decades of challenge. Only when an unknown factor was shown to be present and frustrating Kelvin’s calculations, did his age of the earth fall.
I’ve heard young-earth adherents claim this incident in defense of their own fantasy that the earth is less than 10,000 years. Sorry, but it just won’t work. The earth is four-and-a-half billions of years old, and the universe on the whole is roughly 13 billion. No getting around it.
We pretend motivation doesn’t matter, or more plainly, ulterior motives. Motives drive everything we do. If our only motive is truth, we tend to try to disprove ourselves so as to not fool ourselves.
That is not usually the case. I have seen my whole life that most people would rather remain wrong that be corrected. Pain is the only true persuader.
Stay committed to truth. Being corrected, no matter how painful, is always better than remaining wrong.

D. Cohen
June 7, 2015 2:33 pm

The quote from this article
“Once they begin, Ice Ages should continue indefinitely, as cooling is reinforced by a number of positive feedbacks.”
is well worth pondering. It suggests that an outside influence must act to end an episode of glaciation — and one obvious possibility is that the sun becomes slightly brighter. The next immediate hypothesis is that the original growth of the continent-wide glaciers was due to a slight solar cooling. The repeating cycle of glacials and interglacials during an ice age would thus be due to repeated decreases and increases in the sun’s output. It’s not as if there are no other known periodically variable stars, although the known brightness variations of these stars are on a much shorter timescale than 100,000 years. if many solar-type stars did often undergo brightness variations on a time scale of 100,000 years or so, we would not know it because, well, astronomy has not been around long enough to observe it.
So, another hypothesis for how ice ages occur. Every so ofter as the sun slowly uses up its nuclear fuel, it becomes a little unstable and undergoes slight oscillations in brightness until it has completely switched over to a different mix of nuclear fuel or a different way of burning the same fuel. These oscillations show up in the geologic record as a sequence of glacials and interglacials, and the entire era during which these oscillations occur make up the entire geologic record of an ice age.

Alan McIntire
Reply to  D. Cohen
June 7, 2015 3:17 pm

The sun started out around 5 billion years ago with only 70% of its current luminosity, and has been warming at a roughly constant rate ever since. Despite that, there have been liquid oceans, and life on earth for nearly 4 billion years. The only plausible explanation is large NEGATIVE temperature feedbacks.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0442(2001)014%3C2976%3APBOTES%3E2.0.CO%3B2

D. Cohen
Reply to  Alan McIntire
June 7, 2015 4:49 pm

During an ice age life survives and the oceans stay liquid. The temperature feedbacks cannot act in such a way as to prevent ice ages from occurring because — obviously — ice ages do occur..

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Alan McIntire
June 8, 2015 12:38 am

So, while the sun increased its luminosity 30% over nearly 4 billion years, the Earth’s negative feedbacks gradually cooled the Earth? Why would the feedbacks work so slowly? One would think the negative feedbacks would have stabilized the Earth’s temperature at some lower level from the very beginning, and then the temperature would have fluctuated around this lower temperature. As the sun slowly increased in luminosity, the Earth would have equilibrated at a gradually rising temperature over the eons. There should have been a snowball Earth for at least a few billion years.
But the evidence does not support either scenario. What the evidence indicates is that the solar system is not billions of years old, but merely thousands; that the sun was created mature, in the middle of its stable period.
SR

Reply to  Alan McIntire
June 8, 2015 10:58 am

Steve,
All the evidence from separate lines of inquiry, shows that the sun is about five billion years old, and the universe roughly two to three times that age.
Thanks to its oceans and atmosphere, earth’s climate is homeostatic within fairly large bounds. Earth’s moon, magnetic field and abundant life also contribute to its climatic stability.

Alan McIntire
Reply to  Alan McIntire
June 8, 2015 11:33 am

Steve Rddish, , “..So, while the sun increased its luminosity 30% over nearly 4 billion years, the Earth’s negative feedbacks gradually cooled the Earth..”
I think there’s a misunderstanding of negative feedback here. The sun started out about 70% as luminous as it is now. Currently, about 30% of the sun’s radiation is reflected away by clouds. Presumably there were a lot fewer clouds 4 billion years ago, so earth’s albedo was lowere- it was colder than now, but not cold enough to freeze the oceans. Likewise, as the sun’s luminosity has increased, the earth has warmed up, but with additional water vapor and clouds, the earth’s albedo has increased, so the actual temperature of the earth has increased by a lot less than a factor of (1/0.7)^0.25,
A similar negative feedback happens in everyday life. When I was younger, I jogged regularly about 4 miles three times a week, l lifted weights on alternate days, and had a piece of pie, about 150 calories, for dessert each night. When I got older I quit jogging, and now only walk a mile or two each evening, I quit lifting weights, but I still have that pie for dessert. We gain about 1 pound for each 3000 extra calories we consume. When I slowed down on exercise, burned calories reduced by much more than that 150 calorie piece of pie. Over the last 10 years I did NOT gain 3650 days times 150 calories/day divided by 3000 calories/pound = 182.5 pounds. Thanks to a slightly faster metabolism, extra energy required to carry the extra weight around, etc, , I gained a total of about 15 pounds over those 10 years.
I gained weight, but thanks to negative feedbacks, I gained a lot less than a simplistic theory would predict.
Likewise, the earth has warmed up, but thanks to negative feedbacks it has warmed up a lot tess than a simplistic theory would predict.

June 7, 2015 2:52 pm

Thanks, Dr. Deming. What an excellent essay!
It takes some genius to know what is it that we don’t know. It is quite easy to think that we do know.
Science seems to work better at showing something is wrong than at rightly discovering something new.

June 7, 2015 3:00 pm

One of the first ideas I was presented with at an undergraduate tutorial i’n Geology at Oxford in the 1950s was the concept of multiple working hypotheses and its value in scientific investigation.
For a complete discussion of the uselessness of the IPCC’s modeling approach to forecasting climate see Section 1 at
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2014/07/climate-forecasting-methods-and-cooling.html
Here are the conclusions
“In summary the temperature projections of the IPCC – Met office models and all the impact studies which derive from them have no solid foundation in empirical science being derived from inherently useless and specifically structurally flawed models. They provide no basis for the discussion of future climate trends and represent an enormous waste of time and money. As a foundation for Governmental climate and energy policy their forecasts are already seen to be grossly in error and are therefore worse than useless. A new forecasting paradigm needs to be adopted.”
Some think that the IPCC reductionist approach is the only one available -that that is all we reliably have. That is patently not the case. Quasi- repetitive patterns are clearly present in the changing temperature data which we use as the symbol of climate change, We can think of these emergent patterns as the product of the real world as a virtual computer if that makes the numerical and digitally minded more comfortable. Similar patterns are seen e.g. in the solar data ,the ocean data (PDO AMO etc) and as you well know in the planetary orbits and the Milankovic cycles,. The human brain is at this time superior to computers in seeing these patterns . Think about it – computers cannot produce ( see ) patterns unless they have been fed the input data and algorithms on which they run . Computer outputs at the core are always tautologous ie circular in the sense that they depend upon what was fed into them by human programmers.
I think that if we stand back and view the climate data with the right time scale perspective and have a wide knowledge of the relevant data time series so that we can judge its reliability, that patterns are clearly obvious ,that their period and amplitude ranges can be reasonably estimated and projected forward and that the relationships between the driver and temperature data may be reasonably well inferred without being necessarily precisely calculated..
The biggest mistake of the establishment was to ignore the longer term cycles and to project forward several decades of data linearly when we are obviously approaching, at or just past a peak in a millennial cycle. This is more than scientific inadequacy – it is a lack of basic common sense. It is like taking the temperature trend from say Jan – June and projecting it forward linearly for ten years or so.The modelers approach is analogous to looking at a pointillist painting from 6 inches – they simply can’t see the wood for the trees or the pattern for the dots. ( In a recent paper Mann has finally after much manipulation managed to discover the 60 +/- year cycle which any schoolboy can see by looking at Fig 15 at the linked post above).
The same post also provides estimates of the timing and amplitude of the coming cooling based on the 60 and especially the millennial quasi- periodicity so obvious in the temperature data and using the neutron count and 10 Be data as the most useful proxy for solar “activity”.

Titus
June 7, 2015 4:13 pm

‘Time’ is just a human concept. We don’t understand it, we just call it a name and put some calculations around it (which are also human concepts) to help us manage it.
Science in its many forms throughout history has been a fantastic method to use and manage the environment around us. However, it has told us little if anything of the basic what and why’s of existence. It’s like taking a deep dive where every inch (another human concept) of the way we are presented with an even greater number of question from what we started with.
As ‘time’ passes the mystery just deepens. How much wonderful do things get?

ferdberple
Reply to  Titus
June 7, 2015 9:05 pm

‘Time’ is just a human concept. We don’t understand it
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time is the most mysterious and complicated phenomenon in the universe. there are actually two types of time. We make all sorts of mistakes because we think we can intermix them because they use the same units.

ferdberple
Reply to  ferdberple
June 7, 2015 9:10 pm

“now” actually exists. this is physical time. past, present, future. these are constructs. these are logical time. the difference between physical and logical time for business is the time value of money, normally referred to as interest.

June 7, 2015 4:13 pm

We live in an exciting time with respect to recently discovered natural phenomena such as: red sprites, blue sprites and noctilucent clouds. Then there was that magnificent Chelyabinsk meteor that came right out of left field, unheralded by boffins, scientists, esteemed academics and Noble prize winners alike.

Editor
Reply to  bobburban
June 7, 2015 4:41 pm

Noctilucent clouds were first described in 1885, so they aren’t that recently discovered. They may be more prevalent now. I’ve never seen one, so I haven’t been too motivated to learn about them. http://www.weather.com/science/news/sky-watching-noctilucent-20130506

Peter S
June 7, 2015 4:32 pm

Anyone else notice an elephant in the room?

June 7, 2015 5:20 pm

I had a startling revelation the other day.
As I’ve mentioned here several times, for some cursed reason I am absolutely surrounded by people who, if they are not showing smartphone photos of their lunch, or speaking in baby-talk to their dogs — or worse, about their dogs — they are talking about “detoxing” or “cleansing” their unnamed “systems” of unidentified “toxins”.
The level of physiological ignorance is frightening. For example, they imagine the liver is like a sponge, soaking up poisons that need to be wrung out using some magical elixir.
And the colon? Filthier than a Philadelphia subway stairwell. Ga-ross! (Even though any gastroenterologist will tell you otherwise.)
Even more frightening is the insatiable need to believe in any and all pseudo-scientific marketing hype about how to rid yourself of all this pollution.
I was investagoogling what the underlying need is for people to be so … well … stupid, and I came across a nifty little article that pointed out that for eons man has seen himself as polluted — polluted with sin. And for eons man has been searching for ways to “detox” or “cleanse” his wretched sump-of-a-soul of this pollution.
But now that, for many, religion is on the wane, a substitute is needed. Man still feels he is sullied by sin, but now that sin has mutated into internal and external chemical toxins!
To me, that is a brilliant insight, reaching beyond my peering into ‘alternative medicine’, and into AGW.
And does it not fit?
CO2 is simply man’s new sin.

Reply to  Max Photon
June 8, 2015 1:01 pm

In the Green Cult, Mankind itself is the Earth’s sin, which needs to be expunged.

Louis Hunt
June 7, 2015 5:28 pm

“Science is never settled.”
And whenever in history people pronounced the science as settled, they were wrong.

Geologist Down The Pub Sez
Reply to  Louis Hunt
June 7, 2015 6:34 pm

Science cannot really be settled, because Science is a system of doubt. This is the way we differentiate it from Religion, which is a system of belief. If any part of a thought system is not subject to doubt, if it contains somewhere the word “believe”, it is not Science.

George Devries Klein, PhD, PG, FGSA
June 7, 2015 5:32 pm

Excellent post. I have often shared the history of geological age determinations from Kelvin to the present day with those in the climate field who will listen. It’s a great object lessonfor everyone.

JBowers
June 7, 2015 5:34 pm

“which revises data to match a consensus”
Idiot alert.

Reply to  JBowers
June 7, 2015 7:17 pm

Which?

MattS
Reply to  M Simon
June 7, 2015 9:00 pm

Does it weigh the same as a duck?

June 7, 2015 6:41 pm

I believe the current 4.5 Billion years comes from the cosmological assumption that since the “standard model” (warning, barfing at this term not allowed!)…shows anything above Fe (iron) can not be created by a fusion reaction, 1/2 the periodic table has to come from somewhere else. Whence comes that wonderful binding energy? Why a SUPER NOVA of course. BANG, fragments of higher elements are shot all over the galaxy. Now when that happens, the Uranium, for example, starts with a certain amount of U238 and U235. Make a GUESS, as we don’t actually have a way to figure that out. (Hard to model those nasty super novas!)
OK, after that GUESS, then there is a simple matter of the standard 1/2 life decay, the 1% that is 235, and the 99% U238, and you can ratchet in on a time to get there.
Wonderful, 4.5 Billion years! However, here is the: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain — Moment. You see, the problem is that the capture of these fragments is pretty hard to achieve. In point of fact, one can take the standard orbitals and momentum and figure out that unless there is a LOT of damping the capture is nigh unto impossible. Well, ok, IGNORE that problem for the moment…let’s go to another method of assessment. The finding of PLANETS around the stars in our Galaxy. In 1996 two planets were identified around distant stars by occultation and wobble. As of 2015 that number is around 2500 planets. Distibuted around the galaxy such that statistically it is beginning to look as though a different “cosmology” than the “Super Nova went BANG and made us” has to be invoked. (See “Controlled Nucleosynthesis” by Proton21, Kiev Ukraine. ) Now with this cosmology we have the stellar bodies themselves as the progenitors of the planetary matter. AND, because it involves potential “super heavy nuclei” and chains from these species, for which we have NO data, no good theory (except Walter Grinier’s work on “nuclear islands of stability”) we are at a LOSS to try to extract ages and data out of our elements and our decay ratios.
Now the decay products from the Oklo reactor in West Gabon Africa, do tend to indicate a 500,000,000 to
1 billion year time since Oklo was running as a light water reactor. So that could be a minimum age for the Earth, in some respect. The rest, however, has enough holes in it to make Swiss cheese!

rgbatduke
Reply to  Max Hugoson
June 8, 2015 10:54 am

Oh, please. I periodically teach astronomy and work to learn geophysics as part of my climate physics hobby.
One can argue about the age of the Universe post-inflation on a scale of a billion years or so, although there is decent reason to think that they are adding decimal points so that 13.78 billion years is four digit accuracy, but comparing less than 10,000 years to much, much greater than 10,000 is a no-brainer. That is up there with claiming that the Earth is one giant role playing game simulation and that nothing we believe is true (which cannot be falsified by any observable evidence by definition, cannot be proven ditto, and hence cannot reasonably be considered meaningful in the specific sense that we can increase its probability by the smallest iota over the vast space of alternative hypotheses that are also unprovable.
To learn about the age of the Earth, they use radiometric dating of rocks. Radiometric dating involves the use of a number of chemically stable compounds made with radioactive atoms where the half-life of the radioactive material is well known, the molecular complex formed is well-known, and the radioactive decay byproduct does not normally form the same mineral structure. At that point it is pure chemical assay and arithmetic. There are many, many such atomic “clocks” in rock, and they tend to agree where they overlap even when the decay modes are different (so one cannot just claim that nuclear physics isn’t constant in time — an assertion that is directly refuted by looking backwards in time at stars burning nuclear fuel anyway — so that they happen to line up on a single false result).
So when they say they have found e.g. 4 billion year old rock on the surface on the Earth, they mean it — they have found rocks with Uranide minerals that have not been heated past a certain critical temperature (the one where the mineral structures would have broken down and annealed away) for 4 billion years. You can understand this if you wish to — lots of learning materials on the web.
Beyond that, we can see stars that represent an entire sequence of stellar evolution, and have well-developed theories of nuclear force and energy that are backed by a lot of observation in many distinct areas of physics, so we can say with some confidence that the Earth isn’t much older than the Sun, and yes, the Sun is at least a second generation star because of its metal content and the content of the planets and the metal content of the general galaxy. One can easily understand the methods used to size and date the visible Universe — they make quantitative sense and yield enormously consistent estimates via different approaches. At the moment, the minimum size is at least 100’s of times the size of the visible limit around 14 billion LY away, and the age is at least 13 billion years, since the evidence for the “big bang” doesn’t imply that there was nothing before, it only makes it very difficult to know for certain what it might have been. The Universe could (still) be temporally and spatially infinite, for all we know — all we can say is “bigger and older than X and Y”.
As for the pure crap about eroding the grand canyon in one big rain, preserving all of the plant and animal species on the Earth and its oceans in a wooden boat the size of a Wal Mart, a rainfall of 6 inches a minute lasting 40 days and nights, the magic production of the water required to cover the Earth and the magical elimination of the water afterwards, the miracle of the Sorted Dinosaurs wherein species just happen to be laid out in order of age in rock that can be radiometrically dated consistently, with oldest rock on the bottom, the direct evidence in the form of genetics, the direct observation of evolution in action (I am sitting right next to Shackleford Banks, where the direct descendants of horses that swam to shore from shipwrecked Spanish Galleons in the 16th and 17th century have evolved over the 400 or so years since so that they are smaller, shaggier, and can drink brackish water that would kill any normal horse, the emergence of MERS, all sorts of human genetic manipulation and breeding) — the one book of the Bible that is without any doubt pure, unadulterated nonsense is Genesis. Genesis is nothing but a myth, from beginning to end. It isn’t even just one myth. There isn’t a lick of truth to be found in it, and nearly everything it claims is not only wrong, it is laughably wrong, absurd.
Here’s the fundamental test of confirmation bias. Would one single person, ever, take what we know of physics and chemistry and observational science, use it to analyze the geological and biological and astronomical record, and conclude that the world is 8000 years old and was created over a one week period with all of its species intact if they didn’t have a religion that taught it as unquestionable truth?
That’s an easy one to answer.
No.

Reply to  rgbatduke
June 8, 2015 11:25 am

RGB,
The age of the earth and the solar system is also dated with meteorites. The age of the sun is found to conform to the radiation decay results when independently dated by its own physics and chemistry and, as you note, by comparison with similar stars on the main sequence.
The prevalence of anti-scientific creationists and fundamentalists among climate skeptics is an embarrassing problem.
Genesis is mythological, while Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges and Samuel are legendary, with mythological elements. By Kings, there starts to be something like history, although of course with spin, blaming calamities upon the Hebrews’ straying from the path of righteousness according to their chief tribal anthropomorphic god, YHWH. Plus of course works of pure fiction such as the historical novel Esther.

rgbatduke
Reply to  rgbatduke
June 9, 2015 5:20 am

The prevalence of anti-scientific creationists and fundamentalists among climate skeptics is an embarrassing problem.

You are dead right on that one. That and dragonslayers and people who claim that “a trace gas cannot contribute to the planetary dynamical thermal equilibrium”. Plus all the many, many people on both sides who make the moral equivalent of the claim that they can solve the coupled Navier-Stokes equation for the entire Sun-Atmosphere-Ocean system (including the magnetohydrodynamic part in their heads so that they know that it has no effect, a great effect, an amplified effect, a cancelled effect, a universally horribly negative and catastrophic effect, a universally munificently positive and benevolent effect, usually accompanied by the definitive assertion that we are on the edge of starting the next glaciation on top of the carbon dioxide or that the ice pack on top of Greenland and Antarctica is all going to melt over a 50 year period and the oceans will rise by 3 to 5 meters by 2100.
There is so much contradictory certainty in this business it just boggles the mind. It’s like everybody is terrified of acknowledging that hey, it’s a hard problem and we just don’t know what effect doubling CO_2 to 600 ppm will have, except in highly conditional pieces. To state this simple truth is to leave all of the moral and political decision making to the loudest and least ethical of the “certain”, much as happens on the worldwide religious and political stage already.
I probably (at this point, having studied climate physics for several years now as my primary semi-vocational hobby, and with a fair bit of expertise in computing, statistics, and computer modelling:-) understand the underlying science of the climate better than most and I have no problem at all stating that I can’t solve nonlinear chaotic problems in my head, and therefore have to fall back to the very simplest of mean field models and accept a large uncertainty in any answers they might yield. I also have no problem at all stating that nobody else can solve the nonlinear chaotic problem of the climate even using computers at this point in time or the foreseeable future. That’s how difficult it is. Willis posted a lovely article a couple of days ago that showed the chaotic shot-gun-blast of future trajectories admissible to some meaningless initial conditions in a working climate model. I can produce similar things for simple iterated maps — classic simple systems that exhibit chaos — and demonstrate in around ten seconds that the mean of the chaotic blast is not the extension of the underlying mean field non-chaotic trajectory (in e.g. a nonlinear oscillator driven into the chaotic regime). I defy them to produce a theorem that indicates that the mean, or distribution, of this shotgun blast of trajectories is an unbiased estimator of anything at all other than itself.
And I suspect that the climate is far less — not more, less — chaotic than these trajectories suggest. The climate has a lot of short term unpredictability and a fair bit of long term variance, but overall it is remarkably stable although we are currently in a multistable mode called “an ice age” where we are susceptible to switching to a much more stable lower branch of 90,000 year long glaciation. But I can’t solve the N-S equations in my head either, and pointing out True Facts learned from working with chaotic systems of ODEs or iterated maps is apparently useless, falling on ears that apparently can only hear the sound of funding continued if and only if they can assert that they are obtaining meaningful results that don’t at some deep computational level beg the question.
rgb

Reply to  rgbatduke
June 9, 2015 3:22 pm

RGB,
The dueling contradictory certainties alone should show that the science is far from settled. Science may never have a full understanding of the climate system, which should not shock anyone, since it still lacks a full understanding of gravitation.
IMO there is sufficient evidence to assert with some confidence (although maybe not 95%) however that 600 ppm, should we ever get there, would not have catastrophic consequences.
Even if GASTA should rise by two degrees, it would take at least thousands of years to melt even the Southern Dome of the Greenland Ice Sheet, let alone its Northern Dome. The East Antarctic Ice Sheet, which matters by far the most, would take more heat and millions of years.
I think it could also be concluded with fair probability that the upper range of IPCC’s ECS estimates are too high. ECS of 4.5 degrees C per doubling (if current GASTA be 14.5 degrees, although IMO it’s lower) implies 19 degrees at 800 ppm, 23.5 degrees at 1600, 28 degrees at 3200 and 32.5 degrees at 6400. Yet, with just two brief excursions slightly higher, the geological and paleoclimatic record shows long-term GASTA never above 22 degrees throughout the Phanerozoic Eon, despite CO2 levels often in the 4000-7000 ppm range, with solar output only four percent lower (Ordovician Period).
The last time the CO2 concentration was around 2000 (at the PETM), the sun was only about one half of one percent less potent than now, yet there was no runaway Venus Express. The PETM was one of those aforementioned spikes, but CO2 rose then as a result of the briefly higher temperature, not as the cause. It was already pretty high, thanks to the long hot intervals of the Late Cretaceous Period and two earliest Cenozoic epochs.
Thus creationism and consensus “climate science” appear to be about equally faith-based and fact-free.

Reply to  rgbatduke
June 10, 2015 10:00 am

RGB We agree that the GCM models are useless for climate forecasting. The climate is certainly not chaotic.
There are obvious quasi-periodicities over time scales of many orders of magnitude and the appropriate ones can be used to make perfectly reasonable forecasts for time scales of human interest. I find it hard to understand why hardly anyone, including most skeptical and lukewarm bloggers seems willing to use this simple and obvious approach.See comment and link above.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/07/global-warming-and-the-age-of-the-earth-a-lesson-on-the-nature-of-scientific-knowledge/#comment-1956953
for estimates of the timing and amplitude of the likely coming cooling.

June 7, 2015 7:13 pm

Not Carbon Dioxide. Plant Food.

ferdberple
June 7, 2015 8:54 pm

The industrial wealth of the United States was largely built upon coal. American cities 100 years ago had air pollution problems from coal almost identical to China today.
Does anyone seriously think, given human nature, human ingenuity and human guile, that the human race will leave coal in the ground? This will not happen.
Paris will decide is who uses the coal and who pays for it. And human beings will immediate look for ways around Paris, Corruption on a world-wide scale will result, leading to sanctions, embargoes and war.
For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.

June 7, 2015 9:11 pm

Wonderful article. I ponder whether alarmists consider how comparatively strong the evidence seemed to be in the short age of the earth? Until the discovery of radioactivity, the maths was not certain, but at least compelling. But in our current fiasco we have climate models that are retrofitted, yet still wrong, as the only “evidence” that there is any problem. And they are classic cases where the known principles of chaos theory assure us that no certain result can ever be obtained, even if the model equations were good. On the other hand we have CO2 greening the planet for a fact, feeding 3 – 6 hundred million people for a fact. All to be sacrificed, apparently, for a theory much less certain than many that have been proved wrong throughout history. Yes, it’s insanity.

June 7, 2015 9:15 pm

MCourtney June 7, 2015 at 10:21 am

The palaeontologist William Buckland invented the word and the study of coprolites, described the megalosaur (the first known dinosaur) and was willing to adjust his view to promote the idea of Ice Ages as evidence indicated.

I have a book of Australian Aboriginal mythology somewhere (can’t find it right now to tell you its name) – but I recall one myth explaining how giant lizards in the sky overbalanced and fell to earth, being thus killed, and how their skeletons are still to be seen today. So a lot of people in Australia knew of dinosaurs before the “first known dinosaur”!

ferdberple
Reply to  Ron House
June 7, 2015 9:19 pm

some people even believe Columbus discovered America.

george e. smith
Reply to  ferdberple
June 8, 2015 1:04 pm

Well I believe Columbus discovered America; maybe after he discovered the West Indies.
Now we know that somebody from Uzbekistan discovered the Americas, long before Columbus did, because his genes can be found in ALL native Americans from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego.
g

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Ron House
June 7, 2015 9:30 pm

Ron House

I have a book of Australian Aboriginal mythology somewhere (can’t find it right now to tell you its name) – but I recall one myth explaining how giant lizards in the sky overbalanced and fell to earth, being thus killed, and how their skeletons are still to be seen today. So a lot of people in Australia knew of dinosaurs before the “first known dinosaur”!

Worldwide, where do you think the near-universal theory of “dragons” came from? They are exact descriptions of the twisted skeletons of long-buried dinosaurs. And those people seeing and hearing about the fossils would easily recognize the bone structure and “eyes” and ribs and bones that were exposed: They slaughtered people and animals for their food.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 8, 2015 12:58 am

You’re quite right, but my point was that the Aboriginal myth was explicitly told as an explanation for the fossil skeletons. Most dragon stories have lost the connection.

tty
Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 8, 2015 1:15 pm

Unfortunately good dinosaur sites are non-existent in Australia. The very scrappy remains would not be recognizable the aborigines as lizards (which they weren’t, by the way).
If there is some reality behind that mythology it is much more likely to be linked to the Pleistocene Megalania which was actually a giant lizard.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 8, 2015 3:31 pm

Tty,
The dinosaur record of Australia is improving, but doubt that the first human inhabitants would have encountered may dinosaur fossils. As noted above, giant moanas, yes, not just as subfossil remains but for 20 to 30,000 years, as living creatures.
Most Australian dinosaur fossils are Cretaceous, but at least two finds date from the Middle Jurassic, including Ozraptor.

george e. smith
Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 10, 2015 9:22 pm

What’s a giant moana ??

Reply to  Ron House
June 7, 2015 9:47 pm

The biblical “giants in the earth” are probably dinosaurs or mammalian megafauna and Greek mythological Cyclops are mammoths.

GregK
Reply to  sturgishooper
June 8, 2015 5:50 am

Empirical observations versus modelling.
The mathematical skills of 19th century geologists may not have been great but they were capable of observing local rates of erosion and sedimentation. They had some idea of the time it would take to build up sedimentary piles kilometres thick.
Palaeontologists and biologists didn’t know how long life had been around but believed it would take some time to turn a worm into a blue whale. They did not know how old the earth was but they knew it was a lot older than 100 million years, as initially suggested by Kelvin, and certainly a very much older than his revised age of 20 million years.
And for interest, Kelvin’s model was effectively knocked on the head in 1895 by John Perry [his assistant at one time], a year before radioactivity was discovered….
http://www.colorado.edu/geolsci/faculty/molnarpdf/2007GSAT.England.PerryKelvinBlownOpportunity.pdf

Reply to  sturgishooper
June 8, 2015 10:53 am

Greg,
Yes, as you and a prior commenter have said, Lord Kelvin’s model was too simplistic, just like IPCC’s climate models.

Reply to  Ron House
June 8, 2015 10:50 am

Lewis,
I didn’t mean to imply that biblical authors had ever seen any living dinosaurs other than birds. Nor did ancient Greek authors ever see a living mammoth. I was referring to their fossils in the ground.
But you’re right that Australian aborigines did see and wipe out the megafauna of that continent. The memory of some of those giants might survive in their myths.

Reply to  Ron House
June 8, 2015 11:57 am

The mythological lizards may have been exactly that, ie lizards, not dinosaurs. When the Aborigines arrived, the top predators on Australia were Megalanias, giant goanas or monitor lizards, which went extinct before 30,000 years ago.

ferdberple
June 7, 2015 9:17 pm

Today’s scientists believe they know quite a bit about their subject matter. If you were to question the experts from these subjects 100 or 1000 years ago, they would tell you the same thing.
Yet for every question science answers, two new questions are discovered. This argues that the more we discover, the less we truly know.
Otherwise, if we truly knew a reasonable fraction of what there was to discover, the pace of scientific discovery should be slowing. Yet we are told that the pace of discovery is growing exponentially.

Jquip
Reply to  ferdberple
June 7, 2015 9:39 pm

To crib a political figure, the questions we haven’t discovered are the ‘unknown unknowns’ and the questions we have discovered are the ‘known unknowns.’ Moving instances of the former into the latter isn’t a matter of becoming more ignorant. It’s a matter of gaining knowledge of just how ignorant we have been.
And certainly the world population is growing, and with it the population of scientists. Even if the pace ‘should’ be slowing down under a constant number of scientists, there is no reason to think it will under a growing population of the same. That assumes, of course, that the work product being produced is actually scientific in nature. And that it isn’t a rehash of known knowns. Even if they’re unknown knowns to the researchers in question.

David A
June 8, 2015 12:22 am

The post begins with “The first person to make a quantitative estimate of the Earth’s age was the Islamic scientist al-Biruni (c. 973-1050”
Wrong observation. Curiously, Hindu writings place the age of the earth at 4.5 billion years.

Reply to  David A
June 8, 2015 11:04 am

David,
Regrettably, Hinduism isn’t my best subject, but don’t the Vedic scriptures put the age of the earth at more than 155 trillion years, ie a bit of an overestimate?

Reply to  sturgishooper
June 10, 2015 6:55 am

sturgishooper said on
June 8, 2015 at 11:04 am
“… don’t the Vedic scriptures put the age of the earth at more than 155 trillion years, ie a bit of an overestimate?”
It’s been a long time since I tried to read up on Hindu cosmology, and have no memory of the above figure, but I recall reading of a sanskrit “world cycle” of 26 million years, which happens to match the estimated periodicity of the sun’s hypothetical twin star, named “Nemesis” by Alvarez, father and son, and their co-workers in establishing an asteroid impact as the cause of the Dinosaur extinction 65 million years ago.
The mechanism proposed was a gravitational agitation of the outer comet belt of the solar system by the close passage of the twin sun, with a domino effect that could impact the inner planets some four million years later.
The research is described in Richard Muller’s book “Nemesis: the death star”.
I rather doubt that the Alvarez team was influenced by Hindu cosmology.

rogerknights
June 8, 2015 2:16 am

Therea great book on this titled IIRC Lord Kelvin and the age of the earth.

David
Reply to  rogerknights
June 8, 2015 11:35 am

Yes, by J. D. Burchfield. I hope he is credited somewhere above.

June 8, 2015 2:17 am

“…..Then think for how long we’ve recorded our weather,
It’s a pin prick in time, but we think we’re so clever
That we understand climate and what causes the changes,
Ignoring the fact that’s it’s changed through the ages,
Long before man arrived with his cars and machinery,
And when CO2 gas just created the greenery.
Yet we continue to believe, we just cannot let go,
That man now knows everything that there is to know.”
Read more from: http://rhymeafterrhyme.net/man-does-not-know-everything/

ohflow
June 8, 2015 3:21 am

Can we try to let them do their science thing without always claiming some kind of underlying conspiracy please?
Okay so there is no pause. Were still seeing a trend value that comes nowhere close to the mainstream predictions. Really really low part of their predictions. All this pause and attempts to disprove AGW talks are just an extreme part of the debate that skeptics shouldn’t dvelve into.
I’ll happily embrace a 0.1cp/d over this stupid debacle about a pause.

Alx
Reply to  ohflow
June 8, 2015 5:49 am

There was no mention of conspiracy in this article. There was mention of discovery of large global concepts like age of the earth takes a long time and is not linear. There is the suggestion that climate science is as immature as the first attempts at determining the age of the earth.
But I hear you in that the notion that all this bleating about climate science and global temperatures is mostly hot air and much ado about not much. Scientifically that is probably true, unfortunately politically the ramifications are quite large.

ulriclyons
June 8, 2015 5:23 am

“Our ability to solve pressing problems, both human and environmental, will be severely limited.”
Yes, particularly increases in cold weather events, global warming evidently has not stopped them occurring in this solar minimum. Any place that you see ~130yr cold records being equaled, shows that regional temperatures can fall to those typically seen in previous solar minima, despite the global average surface temperature now being higher.

Alx
June 8, 2015 5:43 am

Love reading historical narratives of a path to discovery.
It is bumpy, exciting, and surprisingly accidental at times as when Becquerel happened to leave photographic plates next to a few minerals it created a new science and changed the course of a few others.

June 8, 2015 6:28 am

Bravo! This brief history of scientific nonsense from the pens of the greatest and brightest authorities is an excellent tonic for the dozing mind.
I’d add one very significant unmentioned factor, though – that of deliberately falsified data, which can be surprisingly long-lived, even when ridiculously easy to disprove.
A perfect example is the reporting of the Tang Shan earthquake of 1976.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Tangshan_earthquake
I remember very clearly that the death toll was reported by all English media to which I had access at a mere 10,000 (ten thousand!). It was only by happening across a report in a Spanish weekly magazine that I got a hint of the real scope of the disaster. This report quoted a French delegation that happened to be in the city of 1 million plus people at the time as saying that half the buildings were totally destroyed. Given the time of day, this would suggest a death toll of at least half a million people – fifty times that reported!
I can only guess, in some wonderment, how this absurdly low death toll was accepted and published without critical comment in the English mass media, because I have never come across any discussion of this remarkable journalistic solidarity in support of misinformation. But from other reports of journalistic problems in dealing with mainland China’s government, I conclude that the Chinese threatened to make life even more difficult for anglophone journalists if they failed to accept and propagate this lie.
Since then, the Chinese have let the Tang Shan death toll creep up considerably, until, in a popular movie of this century, it is given at about a quarter of a million, still 25 times the official death toll of 1976.
And yet, as shown in the wikipedia page cited above, the original lie, and more importantly, the mechanisms of its widespread acceptance and propagation, remains unmentioned and unexplained.
It’s troubling, and somewhat ironic, that it’s easier to chronicle the scientific missteps of the 18th, 19th, and early 20th centuries than those of our own era. But, evidently, despite all the hoopla about the permanence of online data, sweeping uncomfortable facts under the rug is much easier with digital data than with hard copy.

June 8, 2015 8:23 am

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