From Bishop Hill, another ugly day in the climate wars. At least we have Josh.
Andrew Montford writes:
Who can forget the infamous threat from Greenpeace’s Gene Hasmi?
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.
And we be many, but you be few.
But was this a one-off? The evidence is suggesting otherwise. In the comments thread to a particularly sick Guardian post, which was adorned with a photo of a severed head, and which I will not therefore dignify with a link, comes this from commenter Bluecloud:
Should that not be [Matt] Ridley’s severed head in the photo?
and this from the same source:
We would actually solve a great deal of the world’s problems by chopping off everyone’s heads.
Why are you deniers so touchy? Mere calls for a beheading evolve such a strong response in you people.
Ask yourself a simple question: Would the world be a better place without Matt Ridley?
Need I answer that question?
Bluecloud turns out to be another Guardian author, Gary Evans, whose day job is as a boat-driver and translator for Greenpeace.
The Guardian and Greenpeace: sick, sick people.
Bishop Hill I gather that a comment outing Bluecloud as a Guardian author has been removed from the thread. The death threat remains in place.
“Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent” Isaac Asimov
need I say more?
michael
So is climate alarmism similar to shouting “fire” in a crowded theater? Is that protected free speech?
I may disagree with someone, but I will defend their right to say it. I truly believe that. However, if you say something, you must suffer the consequences. I think Mr. Hitchens is vulgar, and mistaken about some things, but I agree with his basic concept that you are free to speak and listen. Listening will help me prepare my response. Allowing others to speak doesn’t imply my acceptance. Indeed, threats should be met with outrage. It is unfortunate (though not for the Guardian) that publicity surges with threats of violence.
Instead of trying to behead anyone who disagrees (and might have guns and ammo), wouldn’t it be a bit easier to show some empirical evidence of man-made climate change ? Like point at it with sword or something …..
…… if there was any, a 9-year old with a toy sword would be able to do it.
Yes, thought of this comment from a couple of years ago:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/14/wtf-national-weather-service-buying-hollow-point-bullets/#comment-1057789
Meanwhile. . .
“It’s worse than we thought!”
What? ‘Science’ journalism, of course:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/01/22/the-u-s-has-contributed-more-to-global-warming-than-any-other-country-heres-how-the-earth-will-get-its-revenge/
/Mr Lynn
Look at the comments though. I haven’t done a count, but it’s looking like >97% are handing him his ass.
Yep, lots of polite commenters fighting the good fight.
Some a bit less than polite too, i.e. me
How nice! And on the same day the Wall Street Journal has a book review of “Killers of the King”.
I knew someone back in the days of the USSR that had relatives in Moscow. (He may have also had dual citizenship.) He was talking with some students about the USA and freedoms etc. They liked what they heard. Then a young member of the Communist Party came up.
To make a long story short, he said that the Communist didn’t want peace. She said they did and there would be peace when the world accepted the wisdom of communism.
He said that he would never accept communism.
She said, “Then we will kill you.”
Her definition of “peace” seemed to be that peace would reign when all are eliminated that might oppose.
Different cause. Same solution.
(Same source?)
The closest analog to ‘consensus climate science’ is Lysenkoism under Stalin. Even the methods are more and more similar. Hence warmunism in essay Climatastrosophistry.
Which also documents several other equally ugly equivalent episodes from 2010 through fall 2014. Death, criminalization, mental institutionalization… Including 2 by Al Gore, which went largely unreported in MSM.
That explains what the “peace” in “Greenpeace” means.
These are probably the same goons who would march with the “Je suis Charlie” crowd.
Totally unable to see their rampant hypocrisy and the ugly creatures they have become.
Are you sure this is what you wish to say?
I do not speak French but it is my understanding the “Je suis Charlie” is much like saying “I am Charlie” [Hebdo] and promoting tolerance for and freedom of expression for journalists and their right to depict any historical character without fear of retribution.
It seems to me your statement refers to the “goons” as the intolerant environmentalists who would be unlikely to march with others supporting tolerance.
Or did I misunderstand your post?
F. Ross,
I mean no disrespect for those supporting Charlie Hebdo and free speech.
However, I could easily see these “journalists” joining hand in hand with the “Je suis Charlie” crowd in support of press freedom, yet, upon returning to their lofty journalistic caves, turn right around advocate the beheading of those on the other side of the climate divide and totally missing the hypocrisy of both actions.
@Richard Dupuis K
January 23, 2015 at 6:05 pm
‘However, I could easily see these “journalists” joining hand in hand with the “Je suis Charlie” crowd in support of press freedom, yet, upon returning to their lofty journalistic caves, turn right around advocate the beheading of those on the other side of the climate divide and totally missing the hypocrisy of both actions.’
You are 100% right Rick.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/
Plaudits to F.Ross for teasing out the intent of Rick K’s post.
If you know what you’re thinking, it might not occur to you that your succinctly poignant comment is pure ambiguity.
I had no problem understanding Ricks post.
Good example of that mindset right here
http://thoughtcatalog.com/tanya-cohen/2015/01/here-is-why-its-time-to-get-tough-on-hate-speech-in-america/
That is the most terrifying thing I have ever read, and it easily qualifies as hate speech. But the writer is not smart enough to understand her own stupidity.
What’s really disturbing is the number of people I run across who think the same way. It’s a growing position through most of the western world.
Every whiny, thin-skinned, PC nitwit with their panties in a knot, their nose out of joint, files a ton of law suits, calls for boycotts, organizes demonstrations, pickets the offender and even tangential connections. Pitch a fit, fall on the floor, kick your heels, toss a tantrum in the halls of Congress and silence more free speech more effectively than any pair of AK-47s.
Pretty much abolished the “n” word that way, didn’t you? Just ask Paula Deen. Or Si of Duck Dynasty. How about them Washington Redskins? A few radical, extremist, AGW alarmists are calling for incarceration and/or execution of climate change deniers, aka skeptics. Guess they only lack AK-47s, hoodies, and the list of names and addresses.
So Obama failed to send big enough big dogs to the demonstrations and stayed home himself. Powerful irony sensed it he did, bog o’ hypocrisy detected, umhmmm. Glassesasas housesasasa. Casting stonesasasas.
The press, staunch defenders of free speech, nothing but a giant sorry-ass joke.
Evidence of sociopathy.
Well, I guess it’s a good thing we still have a 2nd amendment. They’re welcome to take my head at the same time they pry my gun out of my cold dead hand. I doubt it will come to that though…at least, I hope not.
SMC Friend, I don’t think they have heard the old saying… don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.
Why is it the people who are least skilled in dispensing violence are the first to embrace it?
michael
Mike, that just means I’ll have a nice escort to hell when I finally run out of ammunition.
As for your question, I think it’s because they have no real personal experience with violence. It’s all a theoretical exercise for them.
Firing a gun into the air or even toward an enemy for the cameras is one thing.
Picking a target, then judging the bullet drop and if the wind might move the bullet 3 inches, is another.
The general population is littered with deranged individuals that have a hard time distinguishing between reality and perception.
Regardless of the situation, if you catch the attention of somebody that has a screw loose and strongly opposes your view and sees you as a threat to their objective, your life can be in danger.
I was a television meteorologist from 1982=93 for a CBS TV affiliate here in Indiana. In 1983/4, a deranged, gay male stalker decided that me dating my current wife was unacceptable in his world. He broke into my car, then my apartment twice(knew my schedule since I was on tv) then burned down my apartment and almost killed 5 people living in the apartments above me.
It may have been him that fired a 22 bullet into my car, 6 inches over my head in 1985.
Funny thing is that I grew up in Detroit amongst the violence and fights and all that stuff……but confrontations and hatred didn’t target just me.
However, when a deranged person decides to target you for something related to who you are or what your view is, don’t underestimate the danger.
I’ve written numerous articles about climate change and weather for our local paper. There are always plenty of comments. Some positive, some negative. A few of the negative comments have been so hateful and threatening as to bring my wife to tears…………..she just can’t understand the emotions that this subject triggers in some people.
I’m the volunteer scholastic chess coach for 4 different schools here and loved by hundreds of students and families. However, it only takes one of the many fanatical people to see you in opposition to their objective to present a legit threat to you.
Re Mike Maguire:
A cardiologist was just shot and killed in Boston by the son of a patient in his care, who died. The doctor left a wife and three kids (a fourth on the way). Sometimes the crazies seem to win. Thank you for carrying on in spite of it all.
/Mr Lynn
Massachusetts has some of the toughest anti- gun laws on the books, yet those restrictive laws didn’t save the doctor. It’s the man, not the machine.
I wish I had a solution. It’s a sad commentary on our society that expressing a contrary opinion can trigger a death sentence from some lunatic. The best you can do is live every moment to its fullest. There’s no way to live your life without offending someone. Please everyone, be very careful out there and watch your back. We wouldn’t want to lose you.
+1
I would invite the supporters of this outrageous comment to take one step in my direction and utter those words, it will be the last breath they take. I’m repulsed by these morons and such low brow intelligence makes me feel sorry for their parents, who, I’m sure, tried their hardest to teach right and wrong. Apologies fellow bloggers, I’m absolutely frustrated and I thank you for shedding the truth on this topic.
Gary Evans? He’s just trying to live up to the name.
Je suis aussi Charlie
Je suis Charlie Martel.
I always think to myself when I’m debating those kinds of people who the Bishop quotes, that if the revolution ever comes, if we are ever being ruled by some kind of eco-dictatorship, these are the people who will be the sadistic concentration camp guards.
Nah… they’re the first ones going to the gallows; the central comitee removes the competition first.
Yup, and they are surprised, too.
Can we say “Robespierre”, “Night of the long knives”, Oh! and “Leon Trotsky”?
Just for a start.
michael
Hey, 200 year old French Revolution approach, leftist SOP, what’s so surprising.
I advocate some cooler heads here. It does not help anyone to express frustrations in this way. Greenpeace is an organization that became rich by appealing to human empathy (and their emotional projections) with wild animals. The fact that the French scuttled their Rainbow Warrior was the best thing that ever happened to their coffers. Greenpeace will not change – their trade is way too lucrative. Simply ignore them – don’t call them names.
Just plug your nose…they will eat their own in the end. Knowledge is power, you know who they are.
How can anyone NOT like and appreciate Matt Ridley? The man invariably cheers me up every time he speaks. Some people just insist on believing the worst about everything, the world, the climate, other people…. and these sad sacks join Greenpiece and subscribe to the Graun.
Indeed!
Sounds of Nurses in hospital saying we could do so much better without patients. DUHHHH!!!!!!!!
‘We would actually solve a great deal of the world’s problems by chopping off everyone’s heads.’
If that what was actually writ, in toto, then that is hilarious. ‘Everyone’ would include himself and all humanity.
What about the last “man” standing, chop your own head off ?
What would be the point ?
I tried to do that once. It was rather pointless.
I keep asking those who believe that their use of fossil fuels is harming the planet, to stop using them. I don’t know why they refuse. If they stopped using they will die. Which is what they want.
If you take one life for speaking freely, we are Legion and we will come for you.
This just shows the facts and truth is winning and it scares them so much they are on a panic mode now.
It is too easy to be a digital eco-rebel.
Let’s meet in the real world and see how the discussion goes..
The bullying will not stop until the perpetrators experience a cost for such.
Bring your data and lets talk knowns and go from there.
Confront or conform is the question.
Many of the original red guards have 40 or more years invested in “the cause” together with these new hatchlings.
The new ones are core of hate not about climate but revolution and anarchy . They have over run reason and now tilt at life itself.
The new ones are even more out of bounds from reality than the first ones to fake tree ring data.
Pompous Gits prefer liberty to slavery…