Guest Post by Bob Tisdale
Link to More on Miriam O’Brien’s HotWhopper. Please add it to your favorites.
The following is a cross post of the introductory post at MoreOnMiriam’s:
You can call this new blog a spawn of a spawn, if you like. Miriam O’brien (also known as blogger Sou) was banished from WattsUpWithThat (WUWT) a couple of years ago for being a troll. Since then, her blog HotWhopper has acquired new focuses: authors of the posts at WattsUpWithThat and the visitors there.
In this post, I’m not going to express my opinions on the general debate tactics Miriam O’Brien uses at her blog HotWhopper. If you’ve made it here, you understand. But I will say…
In addition to arguing about the content of a WUWT blog post, Miriam O’Brien had amazed many people with her quoting the comments from the thread and then remarking about them.
But Miriam O’Brien has now reached a new level of rudeness by writing posts, not about the content of the WUWT posts themselves, but solely about the comments on threads. The following are two (archived) examples:
Please understand I’m not defending the comments Miriam has chosen, and I definitely am NOT agreeing with her. I simply find her tactic incredibly rude. It’s that new level of rudeness that prompted me to create this blog.
The comments are open here [at MoreOnMiriam’s]. I am not going to moderate each comment, but comments with 3 or more links will be held for moderation, so keep that in mind. In fact, there may be many threads on which I elect not to comment. Anyone is welcome to comment, but remember, if you have to rely on ad homs and rudeness, you’ve lost the argument. Not only are comments open to visitors at WattsUpWithThat, they’re also open to those who normally visit Miriam O’Brien’s HotWhopper. As I said before, anyone is welcome to comment.
Every day I will wander over to HotWhopper and I will prepare a very simple blog post. The title of my blog post will be the same as Miriam O’Brien’s at HotWhopper, but I’ll preface it with “Miriam O’Brien says”. The content of my blog post will then be very simple. I’ll list and link the WUWT blog post Miriam has chosen to argue about. Then I’ll provide a link to an archived version of Miriam’s post. Visitors here at MoreOnMiriamO’Brien’s can then read Miriam O’Brien’s post without sending her any traffic. Bloggers from WUWT can also see if Miriam O’Brien has chosen to attack their comments.
I will end each post with (in boldface):
The comments are open…there’s no moderation, except for comments with 3 or more links. Please refrain from ad hominem comments.
See the first post:
Miriam O’Brien says: Deniers are weird at WUWT. ENSO is a BoM conspiracy!
That’s it. A nice, simple format. A place is now open for people from WUWT and HotWhopper to communicate directly with one another.
Y’all have a nice day, now.
Bob Tisdale
[snip – Epiphron Elpis is yet another David Appell sockpuppet.]
You are really obsessed with her.
just ignore her…what is the point! a troll deserves no recognition at all!
I had never visited this woman’s site until a few moments ago. It took me less that 5 minutes read to establish for myself that this is a person to simply ignore. It quickly became apparent to me that there is real mental illness in this woman as evidenced by her responses to people. She clearly is mentally unbalanced and not worth the time to read or respond to her personal attacks and gross distortions of others’ posted opinions The very definition of an internet troll includes the desire of the troll to emotionally upset people and derive pleasure from the provoked emotional responses. She clearly seems to enjoy doing just that. It is sadistic behavior. I’d wager she was banned as a troll from others’ sites and started her own blog to feed her obsession, not with climate alarmism, but with her insatiable need to hurt others emotionally. Were I you, I’d not spend another minute even acknowledging her existence. She is a very sick and disgusting human being. I certainly will not be reading anything more in connection with her.
I agree…..
+ 100
Better would be a What’s Up with James Inhofe? blog.
I agree with the other posters that she deserves no attention. I can’t imagine that many could stand much of her pathetic rants before checking out.
Misery loves company but it’s not the company I want to keep.
Cherry picking comments from a blog instead of actual articles on a blog to make your case is really low-life, bottom feeder type stuff, but is the kind of thing politcial operatives do. I am really not sure Miriam’s intellect & integrity is worth 2 cents nor the time of day.
Miriam is deceiving and misleading and if Bob feels compelled to address her dishonesty, then Gods speed as the expression goes.
Stop taking it so personal Bob. It’s hard to sit back and do nothing when somebody is doing their darndest to tarnish your reputation and destroy your credibility.
In some realms, there are legal options but not in this case. Sometimes the best action is no action.
A few months ago, I paid that site a friendly visit. When the sharks started feeding and attacking, bringing up some of the articles that I’d written for our local newspaper and elsewhere and making other suggestions regarding my background and education……….I chipped in and provided them with more sources to find out stuff about me.
I’m proud of my career, knowledge, position on climate change and involvement in non profit organizations for 20 years, including volunteer chess coach at 4 schools. I welcome anybody to attempt to discredit me or show that I’m not a person of honor/integrity and treat all human beings with deep respect.
Let your actions and behavior speak for you. Don’t get caught up in this silliness.
Mike Maguire, I’m not taking anything personally. In fact, I find her posts about my posts to be unbelievably funny. She admits to having no concept of a given subject but then goes on to write an entire blog post about it. It’s remarkable.
I am simply providing a place where bloggers from here and there can exchange comments directly…those who want to.
“I am simply providing a place where bloggers from here and there can exchange comments directly…those who want to”
I don’t see how anything positive or constructive will result from this as we both know that “exchange of ideas” only takes place when there is at least some objectivity, and willingness to listen and a basic amount of respect for those exchanging the ideas.
I see just the opposite in this case, which is a recipe for escalating the negatives.
I enjoy and have learned some things from your many posts here. You’re not asking for my advise but you should use your time more productively………the way you have been.
Easy folks, if you don’t like what she writes, ignore.
If you don’t like Tisdale’s new blog, ignore. No need to make a big fuss about it.
For my part, I appreciate the chance of reading this weird stuff without giving her traffic, so thanks Mr. Tisdale. But to comment endlessly about whether creating this new blog is a right thing to do or not, seems a waste of time for both the writer and the reader.
This makes 5 or 6 articles now on Sou and/or HotWhopper. Isn’t this getting just a bit obsessive?
Shirley, you must be joking.
Alexa Traffic Rank
HotWhopper
Global: 295,192
United Kingdom: 44,105
Sites Linking In: 213
WUWT
Global: 12,604
United States: 11,368
Sites Linking In: 5,251
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
This is a pretty common tactic of people who don’t have anything to bring to the debate. Her comments are really not aimed at those making the comments here. They are aimed at those in her echo chamber that read her screed about us in order to keep their “believers” in line. The message is “these people are crazy and must not be listened to” and the secondary message is “if you listen to them, it makes you crazy too, so don’t be crazy, stay in line here”.
It is basically out of fear and it is defensive in nature. It is the same thing that leads people in politics to say things about people who hold different views. For example, a minority or female holding more conservative political views might be chided as being “crazy” or not a “real” member of that minority or not a “real” woman. The idea is really to send a message to the others of those groups that if they take on those views, they themselves will be “crazy” or somehow a traitor to their gender or race.
It’s how you manipulate people when you have no actual argument to make.
Never thought of it that way, crosspatch. Thanks.
Oh please, I’m sick of the sight of the tilty-head harridan.
Stop it.
Bob,
As much as I detest her lies and fabrications, I would not give her that much attention either. She is just a two bit player. Every now pushback is required because she spams the internet with lies. But much of her rudeness is theatre with the sole purpose of drawing attention to her pitiful blog which only draws a small smattering of 5 or 6 skeptic bashers spouting unsupported hatred, plus a few of her internet alter egos to push the tirades. While many argue we should ignore her completely, I suggest we we sparingly pick our hills to defend when her ignorance and hatred is undeniable, and otherwise let her insipid blather fade into the empty ether
I thought Hot Pocket and a funny sketch….
Really? Why dignify this troll’s nonsense by responding to it in any way?
Please stop. The marsupial connotations are getting too surreal and I just cleaned the microwave.
I guess it must be the Fireside Angel breaking through, complete with marsupial hot pocket and green hangers-on. 🙂
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/db/L%27Ange_du_Foyeur.jpg
I made a comment on your site Bob, Reading some comments here, i think she us just fishing for traffic. Let the site rot. IMHO I think she just wants to be as popular as Anthony and you. But that kind of accolade needs respect and that is something she lacks.
Do you suppose she’ll complain about the earlier article headed by her picture with the caption “climate ugliness” on it?
There is a fine line between responding and refuting self-evident garbage and feeding the troll. Don’t waste too much time on this person please. Your time and resources surely must have a better use.
i can’t get worked up over Mariam’s blogs – its’ the typical back and forth between opposing sides – i don’t see a intolerable level of rudeness in her choice to include WUWT comments – i too find the comments following an article interesting in that they represent a cross section of opinions – many are badly written – many are caught up and twisted by emotion – but others are well thought out – some are naive (guilty – your honor) – some highly sophisticated
interestingly – mariam didn’t pick the most outrageous comments – among the ones she chose were some sensible ones – she picked them cuz they incensed her – so – along with her short inadequate retorts – they reflect well on WUWT commenters
WUWT should thank her for the publicity – alarmists who avolid WUWT get a taste of WUWT ideas
She betrays her own ineptitude in science by singling out the comments. Readers do not think of them as divination from authority but personal thoughts and opinions. Nobody reads them as the sceptics’ side of the debate. Even people who don’t doubt the positive feedback are deniers! There is no team.
She singles out the comments purely for their entertainment value!
“kk16085 might not be completely off his rocker:….. Destroying the mother Earth is not by humans but those few who are exploiting it for super profit! ”
I suspect that’s purely for propaganda value.
“TimC mistakenly thinks he is writing to a sentient being and asks, in vain:”
That;s being bitchy and is definitely for her own amusement.
Bob, She really isn’t worth your time. She gets 10-20 comments a post. By drawing attention to her you’ve boosted her readership (and her self-importance) 100-fold.
I just spent five minutes on Miriams site and I left – forever. Her comments on her own guest comments struck me as strident and rather mean spirited. I suspect few people who visit her site (from either side of the debate) will see it as worthy of revisiting. I think that is enough. Less oxygen is often the best approach for these situations.
I’ll be happy when the two pictures of this woman have dropped off the front page of WUWT.
That picture reminds me of an even more nasty version of Bea Arthur.
Bob,
There’s a superfluous ‘e’ in the blog title.
Do NOT waste your time on her, OR, her postings – she is an empty vessel . Many bricks short of a full load. Never came back from lunch. Dazed, confused and lost.