Guest Post by Bob Tisdale
Link to More on Miriam O’Brien’s HotWhopper. Please add it to your favorites.
The following is a cross post of the introductory post at MoreOnMiriam’s:
You can call this new blog a spawn of a spawn, if you like. Miriam O’brien (also known as blogger Sou) was banished from WattsUpWithThat (WUWT) a couple of years ago for being a troll. Since then, her blog HotWhopper has acquired new focuses: authors of the posts at WattsUpWithThat and the visitors there.
In this post, I’m not going to express my opinions on the general debate tactics Miriam O’Brien uses at her blog HotWhopper. If you’ve made it here, you understand. But I will say…
In addition to arguing about the content of a WUWT blog post, Miriam O’Brien had amazed many people with her quoting the comments from the thread and then remarking about them.
But Miriam O’Brien has now reached a new level of rudeness by writing posts, not about the content of the WUWT posts themselves, but solely about the comments on threads. The following are two (archived) examples:
Please understand I’m not defending the comments Miriam has chosen, and I definitely am NOT agreeing with her. I simply find her tactic incredibly rude. It’s that new level of rudeness that prompted me to create this blog.
The comments are open here [at MoreOnMiriam’s]. I am not going to moderate each comment, but comments with 3 or more links will be held for moderation, so keep that in mind. In fact, there may be many threads on which I elect not to comment. Anyone is welcome to comment, but remember, if you have to rely on ad homs and rudeness, you’ve lost the argument. Not only are comments open to visitors at WattsUpWithThat, they’re also open to those who normally visit Miriam O’Brien’s HotWhopper. As I said before, anyone is welcome to comment.
Every day I will wander over to HotWhopper and I will prepare a very simple blog post. The title of my blog post will be the same as Miriam O’Brien’s at HotWhopper, but I’ll preface it with “Miriam O’Brien says”. The content of my blog post will then be very simple. I’ll list and link the WUWT blog post Miriam has chosen to argue about. Then I’ll provide a link to an archived version of Miriam’s post. Visitors here at MoreOnMiriamO’Brien’s can then read Miriam O’Brien’s post without sending her any traffic. Bloggers from WUWT can also see if Miriam O’Brien has chosen to attack their comments.
I will end each post with (in boldface):
The comments are open…there’s no moderation, except for comments with 3 or more links. Please refrain from ad hominem comments.
See the first post:
Miriam O’Brien says: Deniers are weird at WUWT. ENSO is a BoM conspiracy!
That’s it. A nice, simple format. A place is now open for people from WUWT and HotWhopper to communicate directly with one another.
Y’all have a nice day, now.
Bob Tisdale
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Trolling a troll blog?
Troll-ception! !!
Bob don’t you have anything better to do? (Asking )
+1
+1,000
The woman’s sole motivation is an evidently desperate need for attention. She has no data or interest in it. Feed the troll and the troll will thrive.
Interesting concept but they misspelled moron
“The woman’s sole motivation is an evidently desperate need for attention. “
With a blog named ‘Hot Whopper’ it isn’t difficult to imagine what sort of attention she’s looking for, is it?
Obviously trying to influence the hungry masses.
It is kind of amusing.
omnologos, I have lots to do and I’m doing it, including writing a new book and preparing new posts for my blog and WUWT…and occasionally making myself antique-looking furniture when I feel like bashing something.
But this new blog will take 2 minutes/day of my time to prepare a post. If it starts to get traffic with discussions, and if bloggers start to include more than 2 links per comment, requiring me to moderate them, then I may change the threshold of attached links requiring moderation. But that’s a spam decision.
Oops. Almost forgot to leave a comment for Miriam at HotWhopper.
Hmmm….what are the chances your miriam blog gets a higher ranking than hers? Since you are using archived versions of her rants, if I need to read any of her vitriol, I will go to your place instead.
It’s a bit sad really. She can’t follow simple arguments. She doesn’t understand sarcasm. She isn’t at all entertaining.
I read this comment on one of mine (I’m searching my own name like a diva).
Explaining the joke: If she is worried about pseudoscience she ought to want to teach people how to spot it. She believe this is pseudoscience (apparently).
So I suggested it could be debunked publicly – rather than the “bad” books burnt.
The joke being that it could only be debunked if it really was pseudoscience. Obviously it isn’t so easy to debunk. It’s called irony.
Plan B: Censorship is A-OK (copyright Hot Whopper)!
Someone should introduce her to Jeff Dunham’s Walter, another foul mouth puppet.
Is this worth your time?
2 minutes per day of my time. And it provides an unmoderated venue for alarmists and skeptics to exchange pleasantries.
If nothing else it should be interesting to see what the definition of “exchanging pleasantries” ends up being.
It will also be interesting to see what she has to say about this post, if anything, and whether she allows the comment I left her on her blog. Right now, it’s in moderation.
No, you have to think about it too. it is certainly more than 2 minutes of your time. But even the 2 min day of your time is 730 minutes of your year.
Wow.
“The War of the Blogs.”
Or would it be “Blog Wars”
WoBs Blog?
A blog about a blog about a blog. At least I think I got that one right, eh, but no further comment is needed, for sure.
A strange format, I agree. But, in reality, it provides a place where two sides of an argument can go to argue without moderation.
That’s called slashdot.org (or /. to us compsci types) 🙂
Kind of funny and amusing in a twisted sort of way. I’ll be drinking before reading it to make sure my comments are up to par (or is that down to par???)
Have the slashdot kiddies by now realized AGW is a hoax? I stopped going there some time in 2000.
“A blog about a blog about a blog.”
Actually, a blog about a blog about commenters about a blog. It’s the bashing of commenters which seems to have been the trigger… and I’m being generous in saying “about commenters” when the most factual information may be the commenter’s name.
That’s worse that the intro to “The Brady Bunch”.
Trashing commenters is actually not a bad strategy if your intention is to draw attention to yourself. Trolls do it all the time. Why not turn it into a blog? A troll blog, the place where everyone knows everyone else is a troll and where everyone knows there is nothing else to do but troll.
Like Seinfeld, a show about nothing!
“A blog about a blog about a blog.”
Yes, moderated by Bob Bloblog. 🙂
Narcissists really, really hate it when they are mocked. Should be interesting.
How many narcissists are involved here?
JimS, I will assume that was directed at me.
I considered moving back in time one more day, so that my example first post would not include one of mine here at WUWT. Then again, Miriam wasn’t commenting on my post. But rest assured, Miriam comments on posts by Anthony and every guest author here.
Bob
(My response is for you; I hope this comment shows up in the proper sequence).
You assumed “Richard M’s narcissistic comment targeted you; he may have intended that. However, I don’t agree.
You invest time and intelligence creating analysis, and you defend it rather well. You generally hang around long enough to respond to challenges and questions (all you require is dissenters quote exact passages they take issue with).
That’s not narcissistic, that’s a craftsman who take pride in his work and is willing to intellectually (not emotionally) defend it.
I hope you keep it up.
I prefer to read the wuwt contrarians rather then her nonsense. Even when I can do so without donating traffic to her site!
No traffic to Miriam O’Brien’s site. I’m using archived versions of her posts.
I understand the desire for a place out of Miriam’s control to respond to Miriam’s nastiness, and the need for archiving when you are dealing with someone who cannot be trusted not to retroactively edit. But aren’t there copyright issues here? How are you doing the archiving?
You’ve now gone on the record as saying one reason for the archiving is to avoid sending traffic to her site. Traffic is money these days. A court might take a dim view.
Ahah! I see later down the thread you comment that Miriam is doing the same thing and was doing it first. That should help.
Enough of this! Ignore the person. They have little traffic.
Other than this introductory post, all future posts are archived versions.
I hesitate to say that your recognition of her libel and disinformation validates it to some extent; you’re acknowledging her existence. I type Anthony Watts to get here due to the proliferation of websites with alternate spellings intended to divert us from wuwt, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to acknowledge these Trojan horses.
Yes. I truly don’t understand the obsession of some bloggers with some otherwise insignificant characters and/or other bloggers. The more you talk about a moron, the more onward the moron goes (sorry about this one).
I personally wouldn’t give her any oxygen. She craves this kind of publicity, and it gives her traffic. Better to let her blog cater to her handful of crazy misfits. JMHO.
I agree with dbstealey. It is not as if she has any semblance of scientific knowledge, unless one rates a BA in agriculture as relevant. She appears, however, to be a successful management consultant who might hope that her blogging will get her more business from those who read “climate change” sites.
She may be right about that. After all I am just one sucker who bothered to waste my time in looking her up.
http://miriamobrienconsulting.com/docs/mobccapab.pdf.
Solomon, there are many who have an Agricultural qualification too and weirdly enough it has a lot of science based subjects and a few relative add ons like weather. So they would consider themselves as science trained even if not a true scientist and the subject does prepare you for a lot of climate based discussions. I am definitely not protecting her, she doesnt deserve it but to defame farmers like this just because of her qualification isnt right
I also agree with dbstealey. Just let it be, let it be ….
Bob Tisdale, you’ve shown us that you have value at analyzing broad substantive climate focused science phenomenon. Do not swat at midges like the Goddess of HotWhoppers.
John
I agree with dbstealy, also. The woman is best ignored. You are giving her what she craves. I wonder why WUWT pays her any mind. You will defile yourself with pitch. Foolishness.
My apologies to farmers of whom, briefly, I once was. I had been under the impression that a first degree in Agriculture, as opposed to one in Agronomy, was as defined currently by the University of New England, “A practical orientated degree, students are provided with the tools necessary to understand the implications of land use and management change on agricultural productivity. Once armed with the basic knowledge to understand agricultural systems, graduates are able to continue on to further study in specific areas of interest.”
I had not realised that in some universities a B. Sc. in agriculture had morphed. But I see that the University of Queensland advertises, “As an agricutlural [sic] scientist, you will apply your knowledge of scientific, technological, management, economic, environemental [sic] and social principles to major challenges, such as climate change and food security, to ensure the sustainable production of food and fibre for global consumption.”
So I suppose that there may be some room for the science of agronomy in its courses even though there does not seem to be much room left after the essential political indoctrination.
Oh c’mon DB, I need some laughs over the day and you guys give a few over time, perhaps we could ramp up the laugh factor and give poor Sue a few jabs in the ribs?
That’s why it is great to be able to read her rantings at Tisdale’s new blog without giving her traffic. Love to throw them in the face of alarmists and ask if they agree.
dbstealey offers good advice.
However, sometimes it is productive to haul intellectual slime like Sou (Sue, Sow, Miriam, whatever) out into the bright sunshine so they wither and die. It’s a judgement call.
Dear Bob, I’m an avid enthusiastic reader of WUWT and according to my dear wife, spend far too much head-time at this place in the cyber cloud each day. My question to you is, what and how might I make an adequate comment which could induce Miriam to quote me on HotWhopper? While I very seldom comment on WUWT, perhaps only to offer correction to an obvious arithmetic error, somehow gaining inclusion in Miriam’s club of skeptic infamy on HotWhopper has a quite strange compelling merit in my thoughts. This despite the fact that I normally have a quite Marxist (Groucho Marx-ist that is) inclination in this respect, of not wanting to be part of any club that would have me as a member. Any suggestions as to an approach would be much appreciated.
David Norman, Rogue Primate of Bloomfield
Woooo Hoooo!!! I made Dame Whooper’s list as a ()enier I feel privileged to be on the anti-stupid list on Bob’s new Blog!!
Joel, in quite comfortable Tucson, Arizona
YOU! YYOOUU dang lucky guy!! I’ve trying a few times now but I don’t even get past the registration part!
Dear Joel, thank you for your righteous condecending remark to my post. In your Tucson comfort zone you have successfully captured the peurile absurdity of my rhetoric, much as this blog entry is attempting to address in respect to HotWhopper. Admittedly, I haven’t yet really grasped the relevance of this narrative, but then again, just this morning I thought of at least five impossible climate change heuristics before breakfast. Is there a club/organization for “anti-stupid”?… and a dress code? as my current wardrobe was purchased at my local farm store.
Why yes Dave, there is. My blog remark above is not a reply to your remark. Note the lack of indentation. Be well my friend. And stay warm in the coming Global Cooling.
It’s very frustrating to observe sick people trying to bury the truth with their lies, but allowing them to confiscate time that you would use to do good work is equivalent to condoning any damage they’re doing. No hits on her website is a good way to go, and infuriating a narcissist is a good way to push them off the edge to toxic self-destruction, though. I see links to her site in comments, so she’s definitely communicating her disease.
It is instructive to see a clear example of how the “cause” has become a religious experience for otherwise good people. For those of us fortunate enough to have received a world class education in science, we were shown how throughout human history people clung to religious and pagan beliefs before the scientific method was understood. Even though we are now living in the age of science and unprecedented understanding of the physical world, the old habits and emotional fears of human beings remain strong in many people. Miriam and others like her miss the point of science, human curiosity and the scientific method. They’re stuck in a state of fear after hearing witchdoctors like Al Gore telling them they will be drowned under 20 feet of water. They can’t escape the fear so they turn to religion for salvation and defend it vigorously.
Let me capture the proposed plan with some mirth (but not entirely mirthful).
‘WUWT’ is the sound source; it is the given content.
‘HotWhoppers’ by Miriam O’Brien is Echo One; a biased echoing of WUWT.
‘MoreOnMiriamO’Brien’s’ by Bob Tisdale is Echo Two; an analyzed echo of Echo One.
Then we can have Echo Three periodically at WUWT posting how Echo One & Echo Two are doing? Then Echo One and Echo Two would comment on Echo Three’s comment about them . . . ad infinitum & ad nauseam
John
I’ll be interested to see what the RT60 ends up being.
Sounds like a negative feedback.
O, the hominemity!
I’d rather read Bob’s grocery list than anything to do with…oh, fudge, I’ve forgotten her name.
Me too. I tend to lose interest in a stinking bug, especially after it was thoroughly squashed.
Bob, you performing the ultimate example of troll feeding. Let it go, Bob. The horse is dead.
You are brilliant, effective and orders of magnitude brighter, more interesting, not to mention the fact that you are not insane.
Let it go.
Exactly, I couldn’t agree more.
Bob, do some soul searching. Why do you need her approval of what YOU say.
+ 100
Hmmm. Bob, I’m not sure it’s legal to archive someone else’s blog posts and make them available to all and sundry to prevent her from getting traffic. I’m sure I wouldn’t want it to happen to me. Further it could create problems for WUWT since you cross posted it here. Archive them sure, but only use them if you need to show changes made later.
daved46, I’m just following Miriam’s lead at HotWhopper. She only links to archived versions of WUWT posts…refuses to link directly to WUWT, assumedly to reduce traffic here.
Well, I’m not your papa, but nobody would want to waste money suing her but there might be some people who would be interested in suing you or WUWT and would bankroll it.
Her deleting content from her site is a good reason to use archived versions.
LOL!
I think you can republish a portion of a blog post under fair-use rules without permission.
That said, I have no interest in reading Miz O’Brien’s blog. I guess it is useful to know just how crazy the religious Climatists are, but a little bit goes a long way. As it is, I can’t find the time to read all the interesting posts and long comment threads here on WUWT.
/Mr Lynn
Bob let it go. She is not worthy of our attention, or time. She is an empty shell that has been accumulating putridness her entire life. She is not worthy of your caring. Let her swim in her own sewage. Just hold your nose and walk away.
Agree. Aging women such as her are upset because they don’t like the way the look as they age and they don’t like that they no longer receive attention from men so they become bitter old hags. It’s just that in this electronic age she is able satisfy herself by reading her own bullspit thinking it is making a difference. Leave her to her own self importance.
You’re just trying to get a picked comment, aren’t you?
Now, now, Tom, that’s not nice at all. That kind of male chauvinist stereotyping should not be necessary. And who knows, maybe she is a lovely person with a court of admiring males? Who knows if she does not shed her nasty blog-personality the moment her fingers leave the keyboard? Stranger things have happened.
MCourtney
November 21, 2014 at 1:04 pm
“You’re just trying to get a picked comment, aren’t you?”
Who? Me? 🙂
I would have no idea that this garbage existed if it weren’t for the recent obsession about her. I’ll choose to ignore the hag and her vitriolic blog. In the end she’ll be just another rat that jumps from the CAGW ship and then disappears.
Note about her responding to comments on the posts: If you’re aware of a blog named “Legal Insurrection”, which I find to be a witty look at Law and the Criminal Justice system, among other things, and which is written by lawyers, then you’ll know that the IRS has been doing the same thing. Yes – the IRS has not only admitted, but made a point of showing that even though it claims it has a tight budget, it has hired people to spend their time reading the comments section of any blogger that criticized the agency. (who knows, they may be reading these, too – the Great Eye never sleeps, after all)
Sounds unbelievable, but its true – LI and it’s allies have also been engaged in some large FOI (Freedom of Information Act) filings, trying to shake loose some documents that the IRS doesn’t want the public to see (gee, I wonder why???) and in a court filing, the IRS cited some anonymous COMMENTS made on the requestor’s blog as a “justification” for not turning over the documents.
I suppose petty, nasty minds think alike.
off-topic, but I couldn’t resist:
the Great Eye never sleeps, plus
they can’t find whoever’s behind, say, Cryptolocker
equals
the Great Eye IS Cryptolocker
that, or the Great Eye ain’t nearly as great as its PR.
Didn’t make the cut. Maybe I’m not too extreme in her eyes. The Guardian disagrees.
Shall we try to observe how Google – with it’s anti-sceptic bias – handles searches for this reflections on reflections?
MCourtney, your name has appeared in numerous posts at HotWhopper. If you’re interested, use the search feature there.
Thanks. I did that . She really is a bit paranoid, isn’t she? It’s strange that she thinks I must be paid to post here. Obviously, I’m not; who would pay for this? But she expects that anyone who comments as much as I do must be paid.
Pretty much a confession there on her part.
However, she seems conflicted about me. For example this quote of hers:
Ok, she thinks I don’t “usually babble meaningless nonsense”. But she can’t seem to understand that some things are not basic physics. Not a deep thinker, at that time.
So her compliment is not of great weight. Sigh.
Having said that, she did pick out the time I was misled and thus insulted Richard Betts. I was wrong then. But I think her claim that I should have apologised four times – not just twice as I did – was a trifle hypocritical
Ooh… see this quote I’m in.
“Lukewarmer” and a Denier!
Greg Goodman, Pamela Gray, can you tell me how we achieved this rare double?
MCourtney,
About a month ago when there was a post here on her, I checked whether Miriam (aka WUWT Echo One) had shown my comments and commented on them at her site. She had written up and commented on a half dozen or so of my WUWT comments over the past year or so.
Don’t worry it will be your turn eventually. : )
John
HotWhopper? I wonder what kind of traffic she is trolling for?
Are not all hamburgers hot?
The Urban Dictionary can straighten you out on that, Simon.
Hey, maybe she works for a Mexican BurgerKing franchise?
She looks such a lovely old grandma, appearances can be deceptive I suppose.
Dame Whopper is the type of female who reminds me of the CND women who used to camp-out around RAF Greenham Common in the mid-80s protesting the GLCM. The CND women washed, bathed au’ naturel, in the warmer months out in the open, at their campsites around the fence and at the gates. When we left the base in a convoy to train at Salisbury Plain, they would come out like trolls and throw things and yell. We just laughed. The poor MOD police though had to actually deal with them, which made me sympathetic to the MOD police for having to deal with their antics. I laughed at the the CND women then, and now I laugh at Dame Whopper too.
I did an search for deceptive villainesses. This is what I found:
http://i59.tinypic.com/30iwf7l.png
AAAAA!
Snowhite’s wicket aunt (or what ever)
I find the constant assumption that people who disgree with her are mentally ill hard to square with her directorship of a charity caring for people with mental health problems.
That and implying that I have a “feeble intellect” and am therefore, I assume, a suitable candidate for the Gaswagen.
And what about the comments here implying that she is mentally ill (there is one just a few posts below this).
I’ve been posting for a while that the CAGW meme is sufficiently out of touch with the reality of what is empirically known about climate science to be considered a mental illness. If the shoe fits?
Yes, there seems to be a more equal need for ad hominems in both camps than we might like to believe. One should take note and keep a civil tone, it is so easy to sneer and smear. Reading some of the comments here, I get a distinct feeling of “There but for the grace of God go I…”
Gaswagen and Exterminate! v. good. Your ‘whataboutery’ is misguided however. One comment a few posts down against the constant theme of the blog author over there. Also it’s unlikely that the commenter below is a director of a mental health charity.
Kiribati.com.au is the name of the charity she is on the board of. She is based close the the albury-wodonga chapter of that charity. Not for me to comment on her mental health, but the way she consistently attacks the brains of contributors to her blog is inconsistent with the behaviour expected of someone who is on the board of a charity that assists people with physical and mental disabilities. I wonder what would happen if this was bought to the attention of the charity or the local newspaper? The time stamp on her blog indicates she sits up all night, I imagine her seething and ranting in the physical loneliness, her face lit up by the glow of her screen in an otherwise dark room, masses of cat hair on every surface, unwashed dishes piled high, feeling very proud of her latest insult to her opponents, but that’s just my imagination. I’m up in Mt Beauty next weekend. I sincerely hope I don’t have the misfortune of seeing her, or worse, actually hearing something come out of her mouth.
What’s her scientific background?
I certainly don’t have enough interest in what she writes or what comments are posted at her blog to read a blog about her and her supporters.
If the rest of the blogosphere feels the same way, Bill, then the new blog won’t last very long. I’m going to give it a couple of months.
I stumbled on her site a few months ago, and gave up after a few days, even though I was one of the “weird lot” she quoted.
I can see the humor of what you’re doing, but surely, there are more amusing things in life.