I can never hear about fishing without remembering Mad magazine’s Mission Impossible parody where they spliced together a Russian defector’s recording to make it sound more innocent: “It is a brand nu-clear day, perfickt for going fission!”
milodonharlani
November 11, 2014 3:08 pm
Did my bit for the carbon cycle today, burning bushels of leaves to release more life-giving CO2 & “black carbon”, ie soot, to our planet’s impoverished atmosphere.
Steamboat McGoo
November 11, 2014 3:26 pm
I hope you (Anthony) are not only enjoying the fishing, but also HEARING the fishing, e.g. the call of the sea birds, the spinning and buzzing of the reel, the whine as your line pays out, the lapping of the waves, the splashing of your prey, the twang of your taught line, and the cheers of your friends as you reel in your catch!
B.C.
November 11, 2014 3:33 pm
Anthony, you need to give us a heads-up when you’re going to be somewhere besides your home stomping grounds. Where are you fishing in the Bay? I’d love to least meet you and buy you a hearty beverage (or twelve) of your choice in thanks for your years of yeoman’s work at getting the truth out!
The poppies are quite a site. The numbers are staggering (both poppies and casualties). This was once called Armistice Day, the celebration of the end of bloodshed on the 11th day of the 11th month at the 11th hour. Few remember the significance. The WWI generation remembered and gave our clueless Congress a swift kick in the seat of the pants when they changed the date of the holiday some decades ago. The end result was a reverse action.
This is also the 100th anniversary of the Christmas truce. snowfar4.wix.com/1914-christmas-truce
CAGW might cause more fish/less fish, bigger fish/smaller fish, red fish/blue fish, happy fish/sad fish and frozen fish/fried fish.
But you’re right, Dave; if they don’t catch much they can blame it all on global warming. It’s responsible for everything :o)
“Gordon Ford”
So you found one spurious corellation. BFD.
Post charts showing that ∆CO2 causes ∆T, and you will have something.
Right now, you’ve got nothin’.
“Gordon Ford”
What ‘hypothesis’? The man-made global warming conjecture (not a hypothesis, because it is incapable of making any repeated, accurate predictions) is yours. You have the onus of supporting it, and as always, you fail.
All you provide is nonsense. Post a measurement of AGW, or get lost.
[Mr. Moderator! It’s the chump again…]
Gordon Ford: I recall you accusing others of not looking too bright. That article from 2012 you link to does not refute the observed data that dbstealey showed you. Observations are not wrong. Your article reference simply confuses you. That you do not understand how CO2 and temperature changes is making you look exactly like a believer rather than a skeptic or someone capable of seeking truth.
‘Gordon Ford’,
You are playing games again, in another lame attempt to box me into your invented ‘hypothesis’. The onus is on you, bud. As a skeptic, my job is to tear down the alarmist cult’s conjectures. I have been so successful that it drives you nuts.
The only hypothesisconjecture I have discussed is your failed man-made global warming nonsense; I haven’t put forth a formal hypothesis of my own. But as usual, you misdirect, and turn the Scientific Method on it’s head, and try to get skeptics like me to prove a negative… and in general, you act just like a certain sockpuppet who was booted for pretending to be someone else. How many screen names do you use now? You never answer a question, instead, you constantly deflect. Your writing style gives you away.
What say you, jamoke? I mean, um, “Gordion Ford”. Have I got your number, or what?☺
Our Prezidente-come-King apparently signed some sort of emission reduction goal agreement with China today. Does he really think he can implement that without Senate ratification? Seriously, I figure the Chinese simply signed that agreement so Obama can get humiliated by the Senate when it refuses to ratify it. The Chinese understand “losing face.” But Obama has lost face so many times already, all that is left are the ears.
Is that man completely stupid (I think the answer is Yes, because he is in utter denial about the thumping he received in the elections too) as to think any EPA rule based on that won’t be court challenged? Without Senate ratification it means nada. Zilch. Zippo. Completely unenforceable if he has the EPA implement those controls on US industry.
Nope, it is a win-win all round.
-China gets to show good public spirit that will be paid back in some way – good for them.
-President Obama gets to show to this fanbase that he can still stand up for the causes they voted for – good for him in his coming retirement,
-The US Senate gets to vote this down – good for the USA.
-The EU gets its opportunities to diplomatically back away, reduced – Good for China and the USA, relatively
Where’s the dumb?.
The ‘dumb’ is coming from the WH.
We (US) are expected to reduce CO2 emissions by about 1 billion tonnes in just over ten years (significant reduction in electrical power availability and petroleum fuel consumption) while China gets to *start* reductions by 2030. If the empiricists are right and the ‘hiatus’ in global temperature increases holds until then, or if temperatures even drop, it will mean over 30 years of growing CO2 emissions *without* temperature increases, by which time even the hysterical press will have figured out that CO2 emissions do not drive global warming. The US would be on the hook for major strategic decreases in its own industrial infrastructure while China will have had another 16 years of unfettered growth – without challenges from the US.
The ‘agreement’ (if ratified) is simply a guarantee – a concession that the US will not be competing against China in the free market economy for at least another couple of decades.
Surely it won’t be ratified. And Obama knows that.
dbstealey points out that he could do a lot through the EPA. But he doesn’t need to.
Protecting mountain-tops achieved Size of spoil heaps regulated. Total emissions – not so likely.
This was a big win for the Democrat Administration. It doesn’t actually affect anything except shore up their fundraising.
The possible problem with the Chinese is that they are shortly to become the number 1 economically (which wasn’t difficult after the U.S. Fed assisted banking collapse/bailout in 2008) and are teaming with Russia and any others that want to come on board to dump the dollar in favor of their currency. There are those who clam that this could cause major dollar deflation on the world market implying another hit in the Western pocketbook.
Joel: “Is that man completely stupid…”
He’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer or else his college transcripts would have been engraved on a lapel pin and handed out by the millions. Instead, his grades are sealed. There are state secrets that are not as well kept as his grades.
His school room was the Chicago political machine, he graduated to the Illinois political machine, then he got elected President of the United States.
He’s been “lost”, way over his head, ever since.
Who wouldn’t be ?.
I’d be looking for the best help I could get, rather than appointing friends and political ally’s.
I’m sure Hillary and Bill will ensure His legacy.
Gordon Ford
“These observations, together with transient global climate model simulations, support the conclusion that an antiphased hemispheric temperature response to ocean circulation changes superimposed on globally in-phase warming driven by increasing CO2 concentrations is an explanation for much of the temperature change at the end of the most recent ice age.”
This sentence makes my head hurt. Is this also a scientific explanation for record Antarctic sea ice levels ? Please connect the dots for us.
M Courtney says: …good for him in his coming retirement
Retirement? Haven’t you heard? The stooge wants to be the next Choo-Choo Pachauri.
Khwarizmi
November 12, 2014 4:42 am
Enigma…
1) “The solubility of salt in water depends on many factors (primarily temperature and pressure), but let’s use a reasonable value of ~ 350 grams per kilogram. We can see immediately that the concentration of salt in ocean water (30 g/kg) is nowhere near saturated. […] ocean water is 8.6% salt-saturated water and 91.4% fresh water.”: http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=4192
2) “overturning circulation”
3) “Osmosis is the spontaneous net movement of solvent molecules through a partially permeable membrane into a region of higher solute concentration“.
Here are two bodies of water with very different salt concentrations: http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/06mexico/background/plan/media/mussels_600.jpg
“These methane mussels (Bathymodiolus childressi) live at the edge of Brine Pool NR1
at 650 m depth in the Gulf of Mexico. The pool of brine in the foreground is nearly
four times as salty as seawater and is so dense that the submarine can float on the
pool to take pictures such as this. Photo by Stephane Hourdez.” – NOAA
There is an abundance of solvent, with no barriers between the saline & brine to prevent spontaneous mixing.
So why do brine pools and salt domes persist?
“…why do brine pools and salt domes persist?”
There is no force to motivate ‘spontaneous mixing’. The brine is denser than the seawater. Gravity / lack of buoyancy / Archimedes’ Principle apply.
There is no semi-permeable membrane (permeable to solvent but not solute) so ‘osmosis’ does not apply.
Diffusion is a very slow and short-range process compared to ‘overturning circulation’, which can only occur when a denser fluid lies *above* a less dense fluid.
If you pour a liter of dense brine into a container, then gently pour a liter of less dense saline solution on top, do you think they will never mix?
And if I make a salt dome in a jar of fresh water, you don’t think it will dissolve, because there is “no force to motivate ‘spontaneous mixing”?
What force drives osmosis?
What force drives Brownian motion?
Lem
November 12, 2014 5:01 am
Meanwhile… from the BBC…
“US and China leaders in ‘historic’ greenhouse gas emissions pledge”
“The two countries together produce about 45% of the world’s carbon dioxide.” http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-30015545
…and the agreement is this:
Obama: We will continue to dismantle our carbon fuel- based economy.
Xi: We will curb our rate of CO2 emission increase after 2030.
So, I’ve figured out why changing Co2 hasn’t reduced night time cooling (ie there is no AGW).
I’ve noticed that after the Sun sets, I can see the temp drop by 10F per hour, until the temp get close to what the dew point was (at Sunset), at which time the cooling rate will drop to a few degrees F per hour.
This is with 90-110F colder skies.
I think what’s happening is that when it gets close to dew point, the water vapor almost condenses out of the air (think invisible fog).
The high cooling rate is controlled by Co2 (and ?), until the “heavy” water vapor develops which then sets the cooling rate for the rest of the night.
This happens around the world, even in deserts (which is how you can collect some moisture in those water collects your see guys like Bear Grylls use).
So, while the Co2 limited cooling rate is the limit first, all a change there (ie a reduction of cooling) just happens a little bit later, at which point the water vapor limits cooling.
So, there you go……….
It is complicated. Radiation is (more or less) a fourth-power-of-temperature (in Kelvin of course) phenomenon, meaning as dirt cools its radiation drops dramatically, but not only that, peak wavelength changes. A “blackbody” presumably radiates on all wavelengths up to its cutoff; but carbon dioxide has a quantum energy state that compels it to radiate, or capture, at a specific wavelength. It is what makes a carbon dioxide laser possible.
The implication is that when temperature goes below that which would produce that wavelength, carbon dioxide simply ceases to radiate. It is not a gradual thing, or so it seems to me. In my effort to quantify this effect I found an informative website that goes into this topic in great detail, also explaining the exact mechanism by which water vapor (primarily) and carbon dioxide interact with electromagnetic radiation at various wavelengths. http://mysite.du.edu/~etuttle/weather/atmrad.htm
So the rapid drop in temperature is initially just seeking an equilibrium for the night — removing the solar heating of the surface which maintains an *imbalance* between dirt and air. Convection is doubtless the principle cooler of dirt and could easily be tested by placing a box with an IR transparent cover over the dirt, preventing convection, and see if its cooling rate is changed. A remote reading IR thermometer could see through the cover (Saran wrap maybe?).
Convection is a heat engine and once the differential between dirt and air is reduced, that particular engine stops, leaving radiation as the sole remover of further heat from dirt. Of course, the water vapor and CO2 in the air will re-radiate right back onto the dirt so there’s going to be a lapse rate with altitude, farther from warm dirt and closer to cold sky and “top of atmosphere”.
This is probably the two rates of cooling that you observe, with dew point being a third.
I’m seriously thinking about getting one of those imaging thermometers such as Fluke VT04. You can see it in operation on a series of videos made by Anthony Watts, see above under Climate FAIL Files, then Al Gore and Bill Nye. The imaging thermometer clearly shows that glass is opaque to longwave infrared and thus the energy from the heat lamp never reaches the CO2 in the jar.
At night, it will “see” the source of longwave infrared.
Interestingly, googling for night scenes shows no sea or soup of infrared emitted by the atmosphere. If the mean distance of infrared was 10 meters as is sometimes claimed, you’d lose 50 percent of your image in only 10 meters to a “haze” of background radiation from the atmosphere itself. But that seems not to be the case. The implication of that is that convection is paramount and infrared capture and re-radiation is almost non-existent near the earth’s surface because otherwise you would plainly see it in one of these infrared imagers.
Today’s LA Times headline: California legislators flying to Maui to meet with special interests
– – two dozen state lawmakers are flying to luxury resorts in Hawaii for conferences subsidized and attended by interests that lobby the Legislature: oil companies, public employee unions, drug and tobacco firms, and others… Ethics advocates say it is wrong for corporate executives to pick up the tab so they can schmooze with lawmakers out of public view… several state senators were hit with criminal charges this year, two of them involving allegations of corruption.
O to be elected royalty!
No doubt that list includes windmill lobbyists like GE, PG&E, etc. Now let’s hear from the usual suspects that CAGW skeptics are in the pay of oil companies…
I can never hear about fishing without remembering Mad magazine’s Mission Impossible parody where they spliced together a Russian defector’s recording to make it sound more innocent: “It is a brand nu-clear day, perfickt for going fission!”
Did my bit for the carbon cycle today, burning bushels of leaves to release more life-giving CO2 & “black carbon”, ie soot, to our planet’s impoverished atmosphere.
I hope you (Anthony) are not only enjoying the fishing, but also HEARING the fishing, e.g. the call of the sea birds, the spinning and buzzing of the reel, the whine as your line pays out, the lapping of the waves, the splashing of your prey, the twang of your taught line, and the cheers of your friends as you reel in your catch!
Anthony, you need to give us a heads-up when you’re going to be somewhere besides your home stomping grounds. Where are you fishing in the Bay? I’d love to least meet you and buy you a hearty beverage (or twelve) of your choice in thanks for your years of yeoman’s work at getting the truth out!
Here is another one, The international study was led by the California Institute of Technology, published today in the journal Nature Geoscience
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2829901/Robot-dolphins-reveal-Antarctic-ice-caps-melting-Deep-sea-gliders-swirls-warm-water-reaching-surface.html#comments
Quite a hit we took today, and yesterday.
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/kp_3d.html
The last X-class flare was some days ago on Nov 7th, and was not really earthward.
The poppies are quite a site. The numbers are staggering (both poppies and casualties). This was once called Armistice Day, the celebration of the end of bloodshed on the 11th day of the 11th month at the 11th hour. Few remember the significance. The WWI generation remembered and gave our clueless Congress a swift kick in the seat of the pants when they changed the date of the holiday some decades ago. The end result was a reverse action.
This is also the 100th anniversary of the Christmas truce. snowfar4.wix.com/1914-christmas-truce
[Snip. ~mod]
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/virus-in-your-throat-that-could-sap-your-brain-power-102714#1
virus + AGW = …
I thought global warming depleted a all the fish stocks.
CAGW might cause more fish/less fish, bigger fish/smaller fish, red fish/blue fish, happy fish/sad fish and frozen fish/fried fish.
But you’re right, Dave; if they don’t catch much they can blame it all on global warming. It’s responsible for everything :o)
“Gordon Ford”
So you found one spurious corellation. BFD.
Post charts showing that ∆CO2 causes ∆T, and you will have something.
Right now, you’ve got nothin’.
[Snip. ~mod]
“Gordon Ford”
What ‘hypothesis’? The man-made global warming conjecture (not a hypothesis, because it is incapable of making any repeated, accurate predictions) is yours. You have the onus of supporting it, and as always, you fail.
All you provide is nonsense. Post a measurement of AGW, or get lost.
[Mr. Moderator! It’s the chump again…]
[Snip. ~mod.]
Gordon Ford: I recall you accusing others of not looking too bright. That article from 2012 you link to does not refute the observed data that dbstealey showed you. Observations are not wrong. Your article reference simply confuses you. That you do not understand how CO2 and temperature changes is making you look exactly like a believer rather than a skeptic or someone capable of seeking truth.
‘Gordon Ford’,
You are playing games again, in another lame attempt to box me into your invented ‘hypothesis’. The onus is on you, bud. As a skeptic, my job is to tear down the alarmist cult’s conjectures. I have been so successful that it drives you nuts.
The only
hypothesisconjecture I have discussed is your failed man-made global warming nonsense; I haven’t put forth a formal hypothesis of my own. But as usual, you misdirect, and turn the Scientific Method on it’s head, and try to get skeptics like me to prove a negative… and in general, you act just like a certain sockpuppet who was booted for pretending to be someone else. How many screen names do you use now? You never answer a question, instead, you constantly deflect. Your writing style gives you away.What say you, jamoke? I mean, um, “Gordion Ford”. Have I got your number, or what?☺
Our Prezidente-come-King apparently signed some sort of emission reduction goal agreement with China today. Does he really think he can implement that without Senate ratification?
Seriously, I figure the Chinese simply signed that agreement so Obama can get humiliated by the Senate when it refuses to ratify it. The Chinese understand “losing face.” But Obama has lost face so many times already, all that is left are the ears.
Is that man completely stupid (I think the answer is Yes, because he is in utter denial about the thumping he received in the elections too) as to think any EPA rule based on that won’t be court challenged? Without Senate ratification it means nada. Zilch. Zippo. Completely unenforceable if he has the EPA implement those controls on US industry.
Nope, it is a win-win all round.
-China gets to show good public spirit that will be paid back in some way – good for them.
-President Obama gets to show to this fanbase that he can still stand up for the causes they voted for – good for him in his coming retirement,
-The US Senate gets to vote this down – good for the USA.
-The EU gets its opportunities to diplomatically back away, reduced – Good for China and the USA, relatively
Where’s the dumb?.
The ‘dumb’ is coming from the WH.
We (US) are expected to reduce CO2 emissions by about 1 billion tonnes in just over ten years (significant reduction in electrical power availability and petroleum fuel consumption) while China gets to *start* reductions by 2030. If the empiricists are right and the ‘hiatus’ in global temperature increases holds until then, or if temperatures even drop, it will mean over 30 years of growing CO2 emissions *without* temperature increases, by which time even the hysterical press will have figured out that CO2 emissions do not drive global warming. The US would be on the hook for major strategic decreases in its own industrial infrastructure while China will have had another 16 years of unfettered growth – without challenges from the US.
The ‘agreement’ (if ratified) is simply a guarantee – a concession that the US will not be competing against China in the free market economy for at least another couple of decades.
Surely it won’t be ratified. And Obama knows that.
dbstealey points out that he could do a lot through the EPA. But he doesn’t need to.
Protecting mountain-tops achieved Size of spoil heaps regulated. Total emissions – not so likely.
This was a big win for the Democrat Administration. It doesn’t actually affect anything except shore up their fundraising.
The possible problem with the Chinese is that they are shortly to become the number 1 economically (which wasn’t difficult after the U.S. Fed assisted banking collapse/bailout in 2008) and are teaming with Russia and any others that want to come on board to dump the dollar in favor of their currency. There are those who clam that this could cause major dollar deflation on the world market implying another hit in the Western pocketbook.
Prezidente-come-King…
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/climate-rules-obama-112792.html
Joel:
“Is that man completely stupid…”
He’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer or else his college transcripts would have been engraved on a lapel pin and handed out by the millions. Instead, his grades are sealed. There are state secrets that are not as well kept as his grades.
Yeah at least Bush admitted he had sorry grades (and it was kinda obvious).
His school room was the Chicago political machine, he graduated to the Illinois political machine, then he got elected President of the United States.
He’s been “lost”, way over his head, ever since.
Who wouldn’t be ?.
I’d be looking for the best help I could get, rather than appointing friends and political ally’s.
I’m sure Hillary and Bill will ensure His legacy.
Gordon Ford
“These observations, together with transient global climate model simulations, support the conclusion that an antiphased hemispheric temperature response to ocean circulation changes superimposed on globally in-phase warming driven by increasing CO2 concentrations is an explanation for much of the temperature change at the end of the most recent ice age.”
This sentence makes my head hurt. Is this also a scientific explanation for record Antarctic sea ice levels ? Please connect the dots for us.
M Courtney says:
…good for him in his coming retirement
Retirement? Haven’t you heard? The stooge wants to be the next Choo-Choo Pachauri.
Enigma…
1) “The solubility of salt in water depends on many factors (primarily temperature and pressure), but let’s use a reasonable value of ~ 350 grams per kilogram. We can see immediately that the concentration of salt in ocean water (30 g/kg) is nowhere near saturated. […] ocean water is 8.6% salt-saturated water and 91.4% fresh water.”:
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=4192
2) “overturning circulation”
3) “Osmosis is the spontaneous net movement of solvent molecules through a partially permeable membrane into a region of higher solute concentration“.
Here are two bodies of water with very different salt concentrations:
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/06mexico/background/plan/media/mussels_600.jpg
“These methane mussels (Bathymodiolus childressi) live at the edge of Brine Pool NR1
at 650 m depth in the Gulf of Mexico. The pool of brine in the foreground is nearly
four times as salty as seawater and is so dense that the submarine can float on the
pool to take pictures such as this. Photo by Stephane Hourdez.” – NOAA
There is an abundance of solvent, with no barriers between the saline & brine to prevent spontaneous mixing.
So why do brine pools and salt domes persist?
“…why do brine pools and salt domes persist?”
There is no force to motivate ‘spontaneous mixing’. The brine is denser than the seawater. Gravity / lack of buoyancy / Archimedes’ Principle apply.
There is no semi-permeable membrane (permeable to solvent but not solute) so ‘osmosis’ does not apply.
Diffusion is a very slow and short-range process compared to ‘overturning circulation’, which can only occur when a denser fluid lies *above* a less dense fluid.
If you pour a liter of dense brine into a container, then gently pour a liter of less dense saline solution on top, do you think they will never mix?
And if I make a salt dome in a jar of fresh water, you don’t think it will dissolve, because there is “no force to motivate ‘spontaneous mixing”?
What force drives osmosis?
What force drives Brownian motion?
Meanwhile… from the BBC…
“US and China leaders in ‘historic’ greenhouse gas emissions pledge”
“The two countries together produce about 45% of the world’s carbon dioxide.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-30015545
…and the agreement is this:
Obama: We will continue to dismantle our carbon fuel- based economy.
Xi: We will curb our rate of CO2 emission increase after 2030.
Again, CO2 is GOOD for the global biosphere. History has proven this. My bean field was a testimonial to that this year (cold and rainy as it was).
This is for Willis Eschenbach, as I thought he might be interested in cheap and easy cooking solutions for the tropics (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/10/the-magic-cookpot/ ) that actually limit the use of fuels… :
http://solarcooking.wikia.com/wiki/SuniCook
http://www.solarcooking.be/en/sunicook
Forget the climate for a day………..Tight Lines and Screaming Reels!
So, I’ve figured out why changing Co2 hasn’t reduced night time cooling (ie there is no AGW).
I’ve noticed that after the Sun sets, I can see the temp drop by 10F per hour, until the temp get close to what the dew point was (at Sunset), at which time the cooling rate will drop to a few degrees F per hour.
This is with 90-110F colder skies.
I think what’s happening is that when it gets close to dew point, the water vapor almost condenses out of the air (think invisible fog).
The high cooling rate is controlled by Co2 (and ?), until the “heavy” water vapor develops which then sets the cooling rate for the rest of the night.
This happens around the world, even in deserts (which is how you can collect some moisture in those water collects your see guys like Bear Grylls use).
So, while the Co2 limited cooling rate is the limit first, all a change there (ie a reduction of cooling) just happens a little bit later, at which point the water vapor limits cooling.
So, there you go……….
It is complicated. Radiation is (more or less) a fourth-power-of-temperature (in Kelvin of course) phenomenon, meaning as dirt cools its radiation drops dramatically, but not only that, peak wavelength changes. A “blackbody” presumably radiates on all wavelengths up to its cutoff; but carbon dioxide has a quantum energy state that compels it to radiate, or capture, at a specific wavelength. It is what makes a carbon dioxide laser possible.
The implication is that when temperature goes below that which would produce that wavelength, carbon dioxide simply ceases to radiate. It is not a gradual thing, or so it seems to me. In my effort to quantify this effect I found an informative website that goes into this topic in great detail, also explaining the exact mechanism by which water vapor (primarily) and carbon dioxide interact with electromagnetic radiation at various wavelengths.
http://mysite.du.edu/~etuttle/weather/atmrad.htm
So the rapid drop in temperature is initially just seeking an equilibrium for the night — removing the solar heating of the surface which maintains an *imbalance* between dirt and air. Convection is doubtless the principle cooler of dirt and could easily be tested by placing a box with an IR transparent cover over the dirt, preventing convection, and see if its cooling rate is changed. A remote reading IR thermometer could see through the cover (Saran wrap maybe?).
Convection is a heat engine and once the differential between dirt and air is reduced, that particular engine stops, leaving radiation as the sole remover of further heat from dirt. Of course, the water vapor and CO2 in the air will re-radiate right back onto the dirt so there’s going to be a lapse rate with altitude, farther from warm dirt and closer to cold sky and “top of atmosphere”.
This is probably the two rates of cooling that you observe, with dew point being a third.
I’m seriously thinking about getting one of those imaging thermometers such as Fluke VT04. You can see it in operation on a series of videos made by Anthony Watts, see above under Climate FAIL Files, then Al Gore and Bill Nye. The imaging thermometer clearly shows that glass is opaque to longwave infrared and thus the energy from the heat lamp never reaches the CO2 in the jar.
At night, it will “see” the source of longwave infrared.
Interestingly, googling for night scenes shows no sea or soup of infrared emitted by the atmosphere. If the mean distance of infrared was 10 meters as is sometimes claimed, you’d lose 50 percent of your image in only 10 meters to a “haze” of background radiation from the atmosphere itself. But that seems not to be the case. The implication of that is that convection is paramount and infrared capture and re-radiation is almost non-existent near the earth’s surface because otherwise you would plainly see it in one of these infrared imagers.
Hey kids, take a look at http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=-203.91,45.97,394
and check out how cold Siberia is right now… seems extreme for mid-november, but “maybe that’s from that global warming thing”.
Remember the Italian scientists who were convicted of manslaughter for not predicting an earthquake?
Well, justice finally prevailed — 5 years later:
http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/102365916258/italian-scientists-have-their-manslaughter-conviction
Thank goodness… but the fact that people in power are this ignorant such that there was even a case is pretty frightening.
Anthony goes fishing but the alarmists tell the whoppers!
Today’s LA Times headline:
California legislators flying to Maui to meet with special interests
– – two dozen state lawmakers are flying to luxury resorts in Hawaii for conferences subsidized and attended by interests that lobby the Legislature: oil companies, public employee unions, drug and tobacco firms, and others… Ethics advocates say it is wrong for corporate executives to pick up the tab so they can schmooze with lawmakers out of public view… several state senators were hit with criminal charges this year, two of them involving allegations of corruption.
O to be elected royalty!
No doubt that list includes windmill lobbyists like GE, PG&E, etc. Now let’s hear from the usual suspects that CAGW skeptics are in the pay of oil companies…
I want fish stories :o)
“You can keep your plan!“