My answer to the "why didn't Watts ask a question?" brouhaha

There’s been a fair amount of niggling in social media over my presence at the Mann talk at Bristol. I find it humorous that there seems to be almost as much interest in my presence there as the Mann talk itself. It all started with this tweet from Leo Hickman at the event:

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You can see just how far separated the audience was from Dr. Mann, as I was seated in the front row in a seat reserved for me. You can also see the band of the hearing assistance headset I was wearing, graciously and at extra expense, provided by the Cabot Institute when I informed them of my disability. Kudos and my sincere thanks to them. Also, thanks to director Rich Pancost for his openness with me.

In a Tweet from Dr. Mann, taken from the balcony seating you can see just how isolated Dr. Mann was from the audience. The stage extended so far forward that you can’t even see the first row of people on the ground floor. You can also see the video production crewman and camera. Rich Pancost promises me the video of both the Cook and Mann talks will be made available.

Mann_Bristol_from_BalconyObviously from his tweet and photo of me from behind, Leo Hickman expected some “fireworks”. Perhaps though, he missed my tweet earlier on the day of the Mann talk:

The reason I sent that was that in my opinion, for climate skeptics, almost any public interaction with Dr. Mann would be a “no-win” situation. Given the track record of hostility that has been on display from Dr. Mann (and blowback from skeptics too), I felt that if tough questions were asked, we’d be vilified for “badgering” Dr. Mann or being “out of order” in a polite venue. Since Dr. Mann framed the venue as “Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars” I thought that taking the advice of WOPR in the movie “War Games” was likely the only winning move:

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

One commenter, the pundit known as “Climate Nuremberg” had a response to my suggestion that would later prove to be prescient:

Indeed, and that’s what happened. Leo Hickman got a question in the thread he started from behind me from the known unknown known as “and then there’s physics”, who used to run a blog that had nothing but “Watt about…” in the titles. He changed to the new theme/name when he realized how stupid he looked.

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Dr. Richard Betts (who I met for the first time at the extraordinary meeting prior to the Mann talk) also wondered why skeptics had been so quiet. I tried to locate that Tweet today, but it seems to have shuffled off the digital coil, perhaps one of the readers has saved it or can locate it. It said essentially:

Richard Betts provided it in comments, added for accuracy rather than my one from memory:

Dr. Mann himself responded to a question posed by GISS employee Chris Colose on Dr. Mann’s Facebook page, asking if there had been any “disruption” of his talk:

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Note my response at the bottom, we’ll get back to that in a moment. First I want to address Dr. Mann’s “tinfoil hat” assertion.

My opinion is that the environment at the Mann talk contributed greatly to the lack of interaction from the other climate skeptics present. Though Barry Woods notes that he and “Katabasis” both had their hands up during the Q&A period. Even so, from my perspective, asking a question at the Mann talk was an exercise in futility, due to the choice of Q&A moderator, Dr. Stephan Lewandowsky. He is seen in these two photos below standing on the stage, watching for questions, and directing the microphone bearers:IMG_20140925_210744Here, Dr. Lewandowsky directs a microphone bearer to a person in the balcony:

IMG_20140925_210832Here is one of the microphone bearers from the Cabot Institute going to one of the Lewandowsky selected persons:

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Note the empty seats, despite Dr. Mann’s assertion of a “full capacity crowd”, it clearly was not. There were empty seats directly behind me also. As one might expect in a packed lecture, there were no people standing along the walls or near the doors, other than the security guards.

The Q&A session was short, about 5 questions, all softballs, and much shorter than the Cook lecture, where the majority of questions were in fact from climate skeptics. After the short Q&A, Dr. Mann was immediately whisked away to his book signing table, complete with a policeman standing guard. The line was rather short as I walked by and snapped this photo:

IMG_20140925_212631The Mann talk seemed much more tense to me with the addition of police.

While I had stated clearly in a tweet earlier that I was there to “listen and observe” imagine if I had tried to ask a question.

These thoughts went through my mind.

1. Lewandowsky knows me and knows where I’m sitting, would he even call on me if I raised my hand? Doubtful. At the Cook talk, I did not see Dr. Lewandowsky directing microphone bearers, and the majority of questions were in fact from climate skeptics. The Mann talk had an entirely different vibe, and seemed much more tense than the Cook talk as I describe here. Director of the Cabot Institute, Richard Pancost said in a  tweet today that Lewandowsky was directing microphone bearers at the Cook talk too, but I sure didn’t see it.

2. If Lewandowsky did call on me, would he do so only for the purpose of spite, and do something like announce “here’s a question from Arch-denier Anthony Watts, whose ‘conspiracy ideation’ I’ve written about in my paper Recursive Fury.” I could only wonder, especially since I lodged a complaint that aided in getting that horrid, spiteful, and ethically irresponsible paper retracted.

3. Would Dr. Mann preface his response to my question with something similar, such as saying I’m funded by the ‘Koch machine’ to be there and harass him with questions, much like he did when I sent him a  free Christmas Calendar on my own dime? This sort of worry is evidenced by Dr. Mann’s response to the discussion today on Twitter:

Mann-Tweet-tinfoil4. If Dr. Mann responded to my question with a question of his own (a typical tactic when inconvenient questions are asked) would I even be able to hear him correctly and respond? If I misheard him, would I accidentally make a fool of myself due to my hearing issue? The crowd would not know of my difficulty, and I’d be laughed at. Despite the hearing assistance device being graciously provided by the Cabot Institute, it had issues and would only work correctly if held away from my body due to the loop circuit having a fairly weak signal. I had email discussions with Cabot about this after the Cook talk, but there wasn’t much they could do. They tried though, and I give them props for doing so.

So, in effect, asking a question was very likely a no-win situation for me. I knew this going in, but with a Q&A moderator documented to be hostile toward skeptics (Lewandowsky) directing the Q&A session, it was even more of a losing proposition. I don’t think the director of the Cabot Institute, Richard Pancost realized how intimidating it was to have a person who had named and shamed climate skeptics in peer reviewed paper, only to have it retracted by complaints from climate skeptics, and then to have the journal defend the rights of climate skeptics as unwilling “human test subjects”.

I can imagine the reticence of many other climate skeptics present, seeing Lewandowsky up there on stage pointing, wondering if asking a question was worth the risk. As I said, the advice from WOPR “The only winning move is not to play.” seemed best.

But, as indicated by the responses of Dr. Mann and company, they weren’t happy with that either. We are damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

Now back to the other issue raised earlier. On Dr. Mann’s Facebook page, he lamented that I didn’t ask a question, so I asked permission to ask one of him then. However, it seems that Dr. Mann has BLOCKED my question from appearing to him and others, as I soon found out, nobody else could see it:

and…

My Facebook question was also made known in a Twitter post, and it has been over 24 hours and no response from Dr. Mann. I know that some climate skeptics wanted to ask why Dr. Mann chose to cherry pick surface temperature data only to 2005, with the suggestion that it might be so he could “hide the pause”. It is a valid question, especially since Dr. Mann had been called out on the tactic two years ago by Steve McIntyre when he saw the same slides at the 2012 AGU Fall Meeting. We also have a discussion about it at WUWT here.

Imagine if a climate skeptic did the same thing at a Cabot Institute lecture, they’d be vilified.

But clearly by his actions, Dr. Mann has shown that such questions are off the table.  Dr. Mann doesn’t want honest questions, he only wants to play at denigration, as evidenced by his use of labels like “deniers”, “tin foil hats”, and “Koch machine”.

My mind was made up going in that I wasn’t going to engage. The humorous fixation on social media over my not asking a question at the lecture seems to be little more than a brouhaha of their own making. Wikipedia says:

Typically, a brouhaha is marked by controversy and fuss that can seem, afterwards, to have been pointless or irrational.

Indeed.

But it seems, the tide is turning against Dr. Mann, and the support for these sorts of unprofessional actions is waning, as Andrew Montford summed up:

As we waited in our seats for Michael Mann’s lecture at the Cabot Institute to begin, I was struck by the sight of the great man alone at the side of the stage. He stood there for several minutes, ignored by everyone, as the last of the audience appeared and the Cabot Institute people, Lewandowsky among them, scurried about making final arrangements. I couldn’t help but be reminded of Mark Steyn’s comments about climatologists’ stark failure to make any amici submissions to the DC court on Mann’s behalf. The other day I also heard a story about a room full of paleo people rolling their eyes and groaning at the mere mention of his name. Somehow the Cabot Institute’s abandonment of the honoured speaker at the side of the stage seemed to epitomise this growing isolation. Even the scientivists seemed to be abandoning him.

Probably the most valuable thing we can do, is simply to ignore Dr. Mann and his rants about climate skeptics being tinfoil hat wearers, Koch shills, or deniers. We are none of those.

But most important, and on full display now, is the fact that if Dr. Mann can’t even be bothered to update his slides with current global temperature data. In that failing, he has already become irrelevant to the climate debate.

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September 28, 2014 10:16 pm

Speaking of questions:
Someone should ask Chris Colose to explain why he “….does not like to “argue/discuss using the whole 97% line anyway….”.

Metric
September 28, 2014 11:05 pm

Very, very well-played.
Everything about the event (the distance, the police, the tense atmosphere, the QA screening) conveyed profound insecurity. So did the subject of the lecture — not so much about science as it was about “the war with the deniers.”
Suddenly, with nature herself driving changes in public opinion, they need to “win” big-name public encounters far more than we do. And their behavior clearly demonstrates that they are aware of it. Leave it to the skeptical undergrads to publicly humiliate the likes of Mann every time he steps out of a tightly controlled environment. AW is winning, and he is simply behaving like he knows it — and that is why they seem so irked at the lack of public questions.

Lil Fella from OZ
September 28, 2014 11:17 pm

Remember, silence is golden. Many don’t cope well with silence.

Old woman of the north
September 28, 2014 11:23 pm

Message to geronimo September 28, 2014 at 1:40 pm
Climate sceptics do not ‘believe’ – they are scientists who find out, study and decide. ‘Climate change’ believers are pseudo scientists.

Siberian_husky
September 29, 2014 12:20 am

“This “buffer zone” is hilarious…”
You do realize that the venue is primarily used for music recitals and that is where the orchestra sits right?

Billy Liar
Reply to  Siberian_husky
September 29, 2014 1:57 pm

So what; why couldn’t the lecturer talk from the front of the podium, nearer to his audience (or ‘crowd’ as he called it)?

September 29, 2014 12:55 am

I was seated in the front row about 8 feet from Prof Ledanowsky with my hand up as soon as the Q&A session started. I was hoping to ask Prof Mann about how he determined scientifically if extreme events were linked to climate change, but apparently they were running out of time after only a few questions, curiously only questions that supported Mann/AGW. My own plots on control charts suggest that the UK weather is just that. They are on my website, any observations welcome.

cd
September 29, 2014 1:44 am

Your reasons for not asking any question seem sound given that the chair was hardly impartial. It would’ve been only frustrating; as I’m sure Mann would’ve been given the last word and an opportunity to make unchallenged accusations for each questioned asked.
Additionally, Mann seems to have little class, by showing him the respect that he fails to give to others I think you come across in much better light than he does.
On a separate point, if a private meeting can be made between climate scientists on either side of the debate why can’t an open workshop or conference be organised which the more rational members of the climate community. Dare I say it, if funding is an issue perhaps donations could be given. A video of such a meeting would prove very valuable in the future at communicating the degree of uncertainty in this area of science.

Non Nomen
Reply to  cd
September 29, 2014 3:24 am

I quite agree. What might have happened if that abominable Mann had addressed during his lecture Anthony Watts directly, explicitly asking him to put a question?
But, alas, that Mann hasn’t that courage. I presume, he has a whole gallery of sekeletons he is desperately trying to hide in his cupboards. Small fry, that Mann.

September 29, 2014 1:45 am

Siberian_husky September 29, 2014 at 12:20 am
“This “buffer zone” is hilarious…”
You do realize that the venue is primarily used for music recitals and that is where the orchestra sits right?
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So why not present the lecture from the front then?

E.M.Smith
Editor
Reply to  jeremyp99
September 29, 2014 5:57 am

Or put seats in the orchestra area…

Reply to  E.M.Smith
September 29, 2014 11:04 am

E.M.Smith on September 29, 2014 at 5:57 am
– – – – – – – –
E.M.Smith,
Yes.
When the orchestra is playing on the platform one would expect there would be ~3 or ~4 dozen chairs there that the orchestra members are sitting on.
So, putting dozens of audience chairs there for Mann’s lecture wouldn’t have any issue at all from logistics, fire safety or floor loading point of view.
John

prjindigo
September 29, 2014 2:45 am

An actual mathematical formula that produces accurate results doesn’t need defending by dog-and-pony shows.

Michael Spurrier
September 29, 2014 4:15 am

I’m not really sure whats the point of the article – its about scientists not science and can’t see its any way useful. Michael Mann’s an idiot and I’m a good guy seems to be the message to the already converted – cannot we not leave this personality stuff out of it or maybe have separate gossip and bitch section. Getting into all this personality stuff moves away from the science and that’s what those still trying to push the dangerous man-made climate change message thrive on.
The debate is not about whether Anthony Watts has a stronger personality or is cleverer than Michael Mann – lets just keep to the science.

Dr. Strangelove
Reply to  Michael Spurrier
September 29, 2014 11:03 pm

“lets just keep to the science.”
Tell that to Mann. The guy is lying, manipulating, insulting and threatening all those with a different view. How do you ‘just keep to the science’ with a psychopath and chronic liar?

Man Bearpig
September 29, 2014 4:48 am

For as long as they call people names and do their best to belittle people there will never be any room for reconciliation in this arena, the worst proponents would do their best to stifle any debate between scientists on both sides of the fence.
If the AGW crowd were less aggressive they may even get more people on their side. In the UK the conservatives lost my vote the moment they called UKIP voters racist- they are not, Cameron actually insulted a lot of their core vote. There will be no reconciliation until Cameron apologises. Likewise for the likes of Mann et al.

beng
September 29, 2014 5:01 am

The reason I sent that was that in my opinion, for climate skeptics, almost any public interaction with Dr. Mann would be a “no-win” situation.

I agree w/that, Anth*ny. The guy has proven he simply can’t respond rationally to an “adverse” question.

Solomon Green
September 29, 2014 5:20 am

Mr. Watts was absolutely right. Remember it was a lecture not a debate. Not asking a question is the right tactic. Most experienced lecturers expect and prepare for a difficult question and have a ready-made put down. Since the questioner is usually, at most, permitted one supplemental and would, almost certainly, not have been prepared for the put down, asking a question plays into the hands of the lecturer.
Very, very rarely does a questioner come up with an original unanticipated killer question in the first instance or a humorous, off the cuff response to the put down in the second instance, these being the only two ways to score points in such a situation.

E.M.Smith
Editor
September 29, 2014 5:54 am

Looks to me like Mann had a bit of paranoia. Podium to audience distance set just out of tomato range. Police (and lawyers?) At the ready…
I’ve seen this in other combative (marginal authoritative paranoid) personality types. Or maybe it was just his security advisers… a lot of that going around these days…

September 29, 2014 7:11 am

Security guards???? Were they there so that the “true believers” didn’t do the Marie Antonette on the “evil folks” as Anthony???
I’ve been to many scientific and engineering conferences. Never seen (aside from Hotel security, which is generic) a “security guard” at a lecture.
Can we say PARANOID?

hunter
September 29, 2014 10:15 am

Good post, good explanation, and as satisfying a grand confrontation would be, you are likely correct to have not played into Mann’s tinfoil hat mentality.

September 29, 2014 11:01 am

I don’t know if anyone else brought it up, but last week, NPR had an on-air piece about science and the communication of difficult scientific topics to the lay-person. The supposed star communicator for complex science was, you guessed it, Michael Mann. Generally, I like NPR stuf, but they have a real blind spot on the topic of global warming, and always favor the hard core guys like Michael Mann and James Hansen, vs, say the better communicators and bridge builders like Judith Curry or even Richard Mueller.
PS. Sorry i haven’t been around much…. Have been extremely busy with work and music and stuff!

September 29, 2014 11:10 am

Mr Watts, having found myself in a similar situation – having my actions and inactions picked apart by someone determined to find fault with them albeit on a much smaller stage – I have one recommendation.
Brevity. This post is much wordier than the explanation I would have given if I were in your shoes.
A simple, “I wanted to hear what he had to say. At the time, I didn’t think he had said anything he hasn’t said before, and since I really don’t have any questions he hasn’t heard (and refused to answer) before, I just didn’t think it would be a productive exercise; far better to listen and learn.” would have sufficed.
And I implore you to stop being so defensive about your hearing disability! You have a fine mind, and decent people recognize the need for special accommodation hinders you when it comes to attending public events in person. I’m sure had you not concluded that interacting face to face with someone as spiteful as Mr Mann, the disability wouldn’t have prevented you from raising your hand, and had you not *had* the disability, you probably still would have chosen to remain mum. Thus the disability is really irrelevant.

Michael J. Dunn
September 29, 2014 1:06 pm

Sorry, I don’t have time to read to the end, so apologies if I reiterate a point made already by someone. Now that I have seen what the venue was like, it is obvious to me that someone (who?) convinced the Cabot Institute that Mann was under credible threat of bodily harm, for which the natural protections were (1) keeping the audience away from reaching Mann, and (2) providing police protection at the book-signing. It fits into the “We had to do that because…” fantasy. It would be a stretch to think that the Cabot Institute may have felt foolish about this beforehand, but not impossible for them to feel so, afterward. Paranoia? Melodrama? Delusions of grandeur? Self-righteousness? I would guess….Mussolini? (Nah, not nearly so handsome.)

manicbeancounter
September 29, 2014 1:15 pm

I believe Anthony was quite right not to attempt to ask any questions. Dr Mann’s presentation shows that he has little to say on climate, but plenty of opinions on other matters. The great hockey-stick maestro fails to perform or inform.
John Cook’s presentation may not have anything substantially new, but did summarize his arguments. Along with the question and answer session, those were unfamiliar with his work would have learnt something. My impression from the muted applause was one of falling far short of the billing – “Dogma vs. consensus: Letting the evidence speak on climate change.”

September 29, 2014 1:32 pm

Hi Anthony –
Your intelligent, gentlemanly approach to the Mann lecture is admirable. . . and furthermore, you don’t need to justify or explain your actions to ANYONE!
Best regards
Dan

TheLastDemocrat
September 29, 2014 2:10 pm

I don’t think it was odd to have university police. I see them around regularly when I go on campuses.
I attribute this to all of the college shootings.

Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
September 29, 2014 2:19 pm

I was a professor early and late in my career and participated-in and attended many such symposia; but none of these events ever involved police (campus or otherwise). Then again, these symposia involved real science and engineering and were not focused on politics!
Best
Dan

H.R.
September 29, 2014 2:35 pm

Well, if it had actually been a scientific presentation, then I suppose A*nth**y might have had reason to ask a scientific question. If the graph stops in 2005, then Mann’s science stopped in 2005. No science; no questions.

rogerthesurf
September 29, 2014 3:01 pm

If Mann, in his lectures, has to resort to ignoring empirical data and avoiding any critical statements or comments, he is no longer a scientist but a bigot. I would also add on to that a measure of insanity.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

Alan Robertson
September 29, 2014 3:11 pm

What fun it would have been had Mark Steyn also been there, quietly sitting on the front row, with a great big toothy grin the whole time.