On ‘denying’ Hockey Sticks, USHCN data, and all that – part 2

In part one of this essay which you can see here, I got quite a lot of feedback on both sides of the climate debate. Some people thought that I was spot on with criticisms while others thought I had sold my soul to the devil of climate change. It is an interesting life when I am accused of being in cahoots with both “big oil” and “big climate” at the same time. That aside, in this part of the essay I am going to focus on areas of agreement and disagreement and propose a solution.

In part one of the essay we focus on the methodology that was used that created a hockey stick style graph illustrating missing data. Due to the missing data causing a faulty spike at the end, Steve McIntyre commented, suggesting that it was more like the Marcott hockey stick than it was like Mann’s:

Steve McIntyre says:

Anthony, it looks to me like Goddard’s artifact is almost exactly equivalent in methodology to Marcott’s artifact spike – this is a much more exact comparison than Mann. Marcott’s artifact also arose from data drop-out.

However, rather than conceding the criticism, Marcott et al have failed to issue a corrigendum and their result has been widely cited.

In retrospect, I believe McIntyre is right in making that comparison. Data dropout is the central issue here and when it occurs it can create all sorts of statistical abnormalities.

Despite some spirited claims in comments in part one about how I’m “ignoring the central issue”, I don’t dispute that data is missing from many stations, I never have.

It is something that has been known about for years and is actually expected in the messy data gathering process of volunteer observers, electronic systems that don’t always report, and equipment and or sensor failures. In fact there is likely no weather network in existence that has perfect data without some being missing. Even the new U.S. Climate Reference Network, designed to be state-of-the-art and as perfect as possible has a small amount of missing data due to failures of uplinks or other electronic issues, seen in red:

CRN_missing_data

Source: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/crn/newdaychecklist?yyyymmdd=20140101&tref=LST&format=web&sort_by=slv

What is in dispute is the methodology, and the methodology, as McIntyre observed, created a false “hockey stick” shape much like we saw in the Marcott affair:

marcott-A-1000[1]

After McIntyre corrected the methodology used by Marcott, dealing with faulty and missing data, the result looked like this:

 

alkenone-comparison

McIntyre points out this in comments in part 1:

In Marcott’s case, because he took anomalies at 6000BP and there were only a few modern series, his results were an artifact – a phenomenon that is all too common in Team climate science.

So, clearly, the correction McIntyre applied to Marcott’s data made the result better, i.e. more representative of reality.

That’s the same sort of issue that we saw in Goddard’s plot; data was thinning near the endpoint of the present.

Goddard_screenhunter_236-jun-01-15-54

[ Zeke has more on that here: http://rankexploits.com/musings/2014/how-not-to-calculate-temperatures-part-3/ ]

While I would like nothing better than to be able to use raw surface temperature data in its unadulterated “pure” form to derive a national temperature and to chart the climate history of the United States, (and the world) the fact is that because the national USHCN/co-op network and GHCN is in such bad shape and has become largely heterogeneous that is no longer possible with the raw data set as a whole.

These surface networks have had so many changes over time that the number of stations that have been moved, had their time of observation changed, had equipment changes, maintenance issues,or have been encroached upon by micro site biases and/or UHI using the raw data for all stations on a national scale or even a global scale gives you a result that is no longer representative of the actual measurements, there is simply too much polluted data.

A good example of polluted data can be found in Las Vegas Nevada USHCN station:

LasVegas_average_temps

Here, growth of the city and the population has resulted in a clear and undeniable UHI signal at night gaining 10°F since measurements began. It is studied and acknowledged by the “sustainability” department of the city of Las Vegas, as seen in this document. Dr. Roy Spencer in his blog post called it “the poster child for UHI” and wonders why NOAA’s adjustments haven’t removed this problem. It is a valid and compelling question. But at the same time, if we were to use the raw data from Las Vegas we would know it would have been polluted by the UHI signal, so is it representative in a national or global climate presentation?

LasVegas_lows

The same trend is not visible in the daytime Tmax temperature, in fact it appears there has been a slight downward trend since the late 1930′s and early 1940′s:

LasVegas_highs

Source for data: NOAA/NWS Las Vegas, from

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/vef/climate/LasVegasClimateBook/index.php

The question then becomes: Would it be okay to use this raw temperature data from Las Vegas without any adjustments to correct for the obvious pollution by UHI?

From my perspective the thermometer at Las Vegas has done its job faithfully. It has recorded what actually occurred as the city has grown. It has no inherent bias, the change in surroundings have biased it. The issue however is when you start using stations like this to search for the posited climate signal from global warming. Since the nighttime temperature increase at Las Vegas is almost an order of magnitude larger than the signal posited to exist from carbon dioxide forcing, that AGW signal would clearly be swamped by the UHI signal. How would you find it? If I were searching for a climate signal and was doing it by examining stations rather than throwing out blind automated adjustments I would most certainly remove Las Vegas from the mix as its raw data is unreliable because it has been badly and likely irreparably polluted by UHI.

Now before you get upset and claim that I don’t want to use raw data or as some call it “untampered” or unadjusted data, let me say nothing could be further from the truth. The raw data represents the actual measurements; anything else that has been adjusted is not fully representative of the measurement reality no matter how well-intentioned, accurate, or detailed those adjustments are.

But, at the same time, how do you separate all the other biases that have not been dealt with (like Las Vegas) so you don’t end up creating national temperature averages with imperfect raw data?

That my friends, is the $64,000 question.

To answer that question, we have a demonstration. Over at the blackboard blog, Zeke has plotted something that I believe demonstrates the problem.

Zeke writes:

There is a very simple way to show that Goddard’s approach can produce bogus outcomes. Lets apply it to the entire world’s land area, instead of just the U.S. using GHCN monthly:

Averaged Absolutes

Egads! It appears that the world’s land has warmed 2C over the past century! Its worse than we thought!

Or we could use spatial weighting and anomalies:

 

Gridded Anomalies

Now, I wonder which of these is correct? Goddard keeps insisting that its the first, and evil anomalies just serve to manipulate the data to show warming. But so it goes.

Zeke wonders which is “correct”. Is it Goddard’s method of plotting all the “pure” raw data, or is it Zeke’s method of using gridded anomalies?

My answer is: neither of them are absolutely correct.

Why, you ask?

It is because both contain stations like Las Vegas that have been compromised by changes in their environment, that station itself, the sensors, the maintenance, time of observation changes, data loss, etc. In both cases we are plotting data which is a huge mishmash of station biases that have not been dealt with.

NOAA tries to deal with these issues, but their effort falls short. Part of the reason it falls short is that they are trying to keep every bit of data and adjust it in an attempt to make it useful, and to me that is misguided, as some data is just beyond salvage.

In most cases, the cure from NOAA is worse than the disease, which is why we see things like the past being cooled.

Here is another plot from Zeke just for the USHCN, which shows Goddard’s method “Averaged Absolutes” and the NOAA method of “Gridded Anomalies”:

Goddard and NCDC methods 1895-2013

[note: the Excel code I posted was incorrect for this graph, and was for another graph Zeke produced, so it was removed, apologies – Anthony]

Many people claim that the “Gridded Anomalies” method cools the past, and increases the trend, and in this case they’d be right. There is no denying that.

At the same time, there is no denying that the entire CONUS USHCN raw data set contains all sorts of imperfections, biases, UHI, data dropouts and a whole host of problems that remain uncorrected. It is a Catch-22; on one hand the raw data has issues, on the other, at the bare minimum some sort of infilling and gridding is needed to produce a representative signal for the CONUS, but in producing that, new biases and uncertainty is introduced.

There is no magic bullet that always hits the bullseye.

I’ve known and studied this for years, it isn’t a new revelation. The key point here is that both Goddard and Zeke (and by extension BEST and NOAA) are trying to use the ENTIRE USHCN dataset, warts and all, to derive a national average temperature. Neither method produces a totally accurate representation of national temperature average. Keep that thought.

While both methods have flaws, the issue that Goddard raised has one good point, and an important one; the rate of data dropout in USHCN is increasing.

When data gets lost, they infill with other nearby data, and that’s an acceptable procedure, up to a point. The question is, have we reached a point of no confidence in the data because too much has been lost?

John Goetz asked the same question as Goddard in 2008 at Climate Audit:

How much Estimation is too much Estimation?

It is still an open question, and without a good answer yet.

But at the same time we are seeing more and more data loss, Goddard is claiming “fabrication” of lost temperature data in the final product and at the same advocating using the raw surface temperature data for a national average. From my perspective, you can’t argue for both. If the raw data is becoming less reliable due to data loss, how can we use it by itself to reliably produce a national temperature average?

Clearly with the mess the USHCN and GHCN are in, raw data won’t accurately produce a representative result of the true climate change signal of the nation because the raw data is so horribly polluted with so many other biases. There are easily hundreds of stations in the USHCN that have been compromised like Las Vegas has been, making the raw data, as a whole, mostly useless.

So in summary:

Goddard is right to point out that there is increasing data loss in USHCN and it is being increasingly infilled with data from surrounding stations. While this is not a new finding, it is important to keep tabs on. He’s brought it to the forefront again, and for that I thank him.

Goddard is wrong to say we can use all the raw data to reliably produce a national average temperature because the same data is increasingly lossy and is also full of other biases that are not dealt with. [ added: His method allows for biases to enter that are mostly about station composition, and less about infilling see this post from Zeke]

As a side note, claiming “fabrication” in a nefarious way doesn’t help, and generally turns people off to open debate on the issue because the process of infilling missing data wasn’t designed at the beginning to be have any nefarious motive; it was designed to make the monthly data usable when small data dropouts are seen, like we discussed in part 1 and showed the B-91 form with missing data from volunteer data. By claiming “fabrication”, all it does is put up walls, and frankly if we are going to enact any change to how things get done in climate data, new walls won’t help us.

Biases are common in the U.S. surface temperature network

This is why NOAA/NCDC spends so much time applying infills and adjustments; the surface temperature record is a heterogeneous mess. But in my view, this process of trying to save messed up data is misguided, counter-productive, and causes heated arguments (like the one we are experiencing now) over the validity of such infills and adjustments, especially when many of them seem to operate counter-intuitively.

As seen in the map below, there are thousands of temperature stations in the US co-op and USHCN network in the USA, by our surface stations survey, at least 80% of the USHCN is compromised by micro-site issues in some way, and by extension, that large sample size of the USHCN subset of the co-op network we did should translate to the larger network.

USHCN_COOP_Map

When data drops out of USHCN stations, data from nearby neighbor stations is infilled to make up the missing data, but when 80% or more of your network is compromised by micro-site issues, chances are all you are doing is infilling missing data with compromised data. I explained this problem years ago using a water bowl analogy, showing how the true temperature signal gets “muddy” when data from surrounding stations is used to infill missing data:

bowls-USmap

The real problem is the increasing amount of data dropout in USHCN (and in Co-op and GHCN) may be reaching a point where it is adding a majority of biased signal from nearby problematic stations. Imagine a well sited long period station near Las Vegas out in a rural area that has its missing data infilled using Las Vegas data, you know it will be warmer when that happens.

So, what is the solution?

How do we get an accurate surface temperature for the United States (and the world) when the raw data is full of uncorrected biases and the adjusted data does little more than smear those station biases around when infilling occurs? Some of our friends say a barrage of  statistical fixes are all that is needed, but there is also another, simpler, way.

Dr. Eric Steig, at “Real Climate”, in a response to a comment about Zeke Hausfather’s 2013 paper on UHI shows us a way.

Real Climate comment from Eric Steig (response at bottom)

We did something similar (but even simpler) when it was being insinuated that the temperature trends were suspect, back when all those UEA emails were stolen. One only needs about 30 records, globally spaced, to get the global temperature history. This is because there is a spatial scale (roughly a Rossby radius) over which temperatures are going to be highly correlated for fundamental reasons of atmospheric dynamics.

For those who don’t know what the Rossby radius is, see this definition.

Steig claims 30 station records are all that are needed globally. In a comment some years ago (now probably lost in the vastness of the Internet) we heard Dr. Gavin Schmidt said something similar, saying that about “50 stations” would be all that is needed.

[UPDATE: Commenter Johan finds what may be the quote:

I did find this Gavin Schmidt quote:

“Global weather services gather far more data than we need. To get the structure of the monthly or yearly anomalies over the United States, for example, you’d just need a handful of stations, but there are actually some 1,100 of them. You could throw out 50 percent of the station data or more, and you’d get basically the same answers”

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Interviews/schmidt_20100122.php ]

So if that is the case, and one of the most prominent climate researchers on the planet (and his associate) says we need only somewhere between 30-50 stations globally…why is NOAA spending all this time trying to salvage bad data from hundreds if not thousands of stations in the USHCN, and also in the GHCN?

It is a question nobody at NOAA has ever really been able to answer for me. While it is certainly important to keep these records from all these stations for local climate purposes, but why try to keep them in the national and global dataset when Real Climate Scientists say that just a few dozen good stations will do just fine?

There is precedence for this, the U.S. Climate Reference Network, which has just a fraction of the stations in USHCN and the co-op network:

crn_map

NOAA/NCDC is able to derive a national temperature average from these few stations just fine, and without the need for any adjustments whatsoever. In fact they are already publishing it:

USCRN_avg_temp_Jan2004-April2014

If it were me, I’d throw out most of the the USHCN and co-op stations with problematic records rather than try to salvage them with statistical fixes, and instead, try to locate the best stations with long records, no moves, and minimal site biases and use those as the basis for tracking the climate signal. By doing so not only do we eliminate a whole bunch of make work with questionable/uncertain results, and we end all the complaints data falsification and quibbling over whose method really does find the “holy grail of the climate signal” in the US surface temperature record.

Now you know what Evan Jones and I have been painstakingly doing for the last two years since our preliminary siting paper was published here at WUWT and we took heavy criticism for it. We’ve embraced those criticisms and made the paper even better. We learned back then that adjustments account for about half of the surface temperature trend:

We are in the process of bringing our newest findings to publication. Some people might complain we have taken too long. I say we have one chance to get it right, so we’ve been taking extra care to effectively deal with all criticisms from then, and criticisms we have from within our own team. Of course if I had funding like some people get, we could hire people to help move it along faster instead of relying on free time where we can get it.

The way forward:

It is within our grasp to locate and collate stations in the USA and in the world that have as long of an uninterrupted record and freedom from bias as possible and to make that a new climate data subset. I’d propose calling it the the Un-Biased Global Historical Climate Network or UBGHCN. That may or may not be a good name, but you get the idea.

We’ve found at least this many good stations in the USA that meet the criteria of being reliable and without any need for major adjustments of any kind, including the time-of-observation change (TOB), but some do require the cooling bias correction for MMTS conversion, but that is well known and a static value that doesn’t change with time. Chances are, a similar set of 50 stations could be located in the world. The challenge is metadata, some of which is non-existent publicly, but with crowd sourcing such a project might be do-able, and then we could fulfill Gavin Schmidt and Eric Steig’s vision of a much simpler set of climate stations.

Wouldn’t it be great to have a simpler and known reliable set of stations rather than this mishmash which goes through the statistical blender every month? NOAA could take the lead on this, chances are they won’t. I believe it is possible to do independent of them, and it is a place where climate skeptics can make a powerful contribution which would be far more productive than the arguments over adjustments and data dropout.

 

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Latitude
June 26, 2014 2:40 pm

His method looks at every data point, so if for example Fen 2014 daily data from Feb 14th and 27th are missing because the observer didn’t write anything down for those days, that gets counted
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Goddard took his numbers from 2013….it’s 2014 now……….
That’s a year ago….nothing was lost in the mail
you quoted him directly
Goddard said since 1990……”The data is correct.
Since 1990, USHCN has lost about 30% of their stations, but they still report data for all of them.”
Did they lose 30% of their stations since 1990 or not? are they infilling those station now or not?

June 26, 2014 2:42 pm

… And there is enough US data that known data is, in monthly average, close to its interpolate from other data. …
And it will always interpolate in the direction that the warmists want, right? Like the example of one western city with 5 stations one day. 4 were cooler than the airport station and they got interpolated upwards to match the higher station. (wish I had a link to that post, but I don’t keep them — disregard this example if you want)
The fact that the raw data in long term rural reporting stations always show a long term flat temperature (or a decline) while the interpolated anomaly shows warming is going to tend to inform me that people are fudging the records. Oh, they are sophisticated about it. They do a lot of “infilling” and interpolation. Most have advanced degrees in [snipped] and so forth. But honest data? No; they don’t deal in honest.

June 26, 2014 2:52 pm

Anthony, there are 1218 stations. That means there should be 14,616 monthly records for 2013.
There are 11568 that have a raw and final data record = 79%. of the 14,616
There are only 9384 of those 11,568 that do not have an E flag. 64.2% of the 1,4616
There are only 7374 that have a en empty error flag. 50%. of the 14,616.
36.8% is close enough to 40% for me.
And yet the NOAA publishes press releases claiming this month or that is warmest ever.
REPLY: Thanks for the numbers, I’ll have a look. Please note that the USHCN is not used exclusively to publish the monthly numbers, that comes from the whole COOP network. – Anthony

June 26, 2014 2:54 pm

NOAA software.
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/v3/software/52i/
the adjustement software has been available for the last 7 years in its various forms.
Those of us really interested found it, pointed others to it, or simply ASKED for it

Paul in Sweden
June 26, 2014 2:56 pm

Splitting hairs a 10th of a degree C at a time. When will the madness end?

June 26, 2014 2:59 pm

The elephant in the room:
‘Adjustments’ are almost always made so that earlier temperature [T] is lower, while most recent T is higher — which of course shows a scary rise in T.
I could accept that adjustments were made as simple corrections. But the way they are done is nothing but alarmist propaganda.
If Nick Stokes has an answer, I would be interested in seeing it.
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Paul in Sweden,
True dat.

June 26, 2014 3:02 pm

Charts! Data! Real Records!
Paul Homewood (Not A Lot Of People Know That) is on USHCN’s case — “Massive Temperature Adjustments At Luling, Texas”
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/06/26/massive-temperature-adjustments-at-luling-texas/
There are all sorts of official records posted and analysis, but the following should suffice to make a point:

In other words, the adjustments have added an astonishing 1.35C to the annual temperature for 2013. Note also that I have included the same figures for 1934, which show that the adjustment has reduced temperatures that year by 0.91C. So, the net effect of the adjustments between 1934 and 2013 has been to add 2.26C of warming.
Note as well, that the largest adjustments are for the estimated months of March – December. This is something that Steve Goddard has been emphasising.

This post is worth a look to all interested in this subject.

June 26, 2014 3:02 pm

REPLY: While it is tempting, as you know I’ve been burned twice by releasing data prior to publication. Once by Menne in 2009 (though Karl made him do it) and again by the your boss at BEST, Muller, who I had an agreement with in writing (email) not to use my data except for publishing a paper. Two weeks later he was parading it before Congress and he came up with all sorts of bullshit justification for that. I’ll never, ever, trust him again.
My concern is that you being part of BEST, that “somehow” the data will find its way back to Muller again, even if you yourself are a man of integrity. Shit happens, but only if you give it an opportunity and I’m not going to. Sorry. – Anthony”

very simply I will sign a licence with substantial penalties. lets say
a million dollars.
Lets make it even simpler. Choose only 30 CRN12 and 30 CRN5
Now, since there were maps of the station locations in your original materials, reverse engineering it by digitizing wasnt that hard. Still hacking around to get it is not my style.
I rather do things above board.
REPLY: $1mil ? That would be even more tempting, if it were a real offer, but I know you can’t come up with a million dollars, so why even offer it? It’s insulting. – Anthony

Tony Berry
June 26, 2014 3:04 pm

Anthony, an excellent post and a set of well reasoned comments and proposals. In my field – drug clinical trials similar problems occur I.e. Doctors don’t fill in the trial data forms correctly and you have the problem of do you ignore the errors or correct them or do you not use the record due to errors. The FDA take a dim view of throwing out patient data and expect everything to be submitted and the data analysed on an intention to treat basis which often results n faulty analysis and errors (and law suits from patients later). There is no simple answer in this case just like your problem.
Tony Berry

mark
June 26, 2014 3:05 pm

Owen says:
June 26, 2014 at 12:45 pm
“Stop being so damn gullible. Global warming has nothing to do with science. It’s a political agenda being imposed by people who have no inclination to play by the rules like the skeptics.”
+1 I’m usually not a conspiracy theory believer but AGW reeks of it. It will take a change of administration in the US to alter the course of CO2 and even then it may be too late. With AGW being taught in public schools the tide will be difficult to overcome. Only a deep and sustained cooling cycle will have any effect. All the last 17 years of cooling has done is alter some public opinion but not enough to make a difference. The evil force is strong with this one.

charles nelson
June 26, 2014 3:10 pm

Tell you what makes me chuckle…here we are arguing about what the correct temperature is during the 20th century in one of the most advanced and measured countries in the world, reaching the conclusion that ‘we’re not really sure’. Yet people claim to have measured ‘global’ temperatures climb by .3 of one degree over the same period?

Rob R
June 26, 2014 3:12 pm

If an excellent network of unbiased historic stations was developed and if, from that network, it was possible to interpolate between sites that are in the network, then presumably one could identify just how much bias there is in data produced at climate stations that are not part of the network.
Then we might get a better estimate of the effect of UHI and other anthropogenic landuse influences. It would be useful to start in the USA where the density of climate observations is high, then extend to other well-measured countries. Why have the massively funded NOAA and GISS not already completed the USA portion of such a conceptually simple project? Perhaps it has been done but the results are inconvenient?

Richard Wright
June 26, 2014 3:21 pm

Trying to find a way to use bad data is futile. One is never able to prove anything. Garbage in, garbage out. But then we wouldn’t need all of those research grants for fudging the data, and we can’t have that.

Nick Stokes
June 26, 2014 3:22 pm

dbstealey says: June 26, 2014 at 2:59 pm
“If Nick Stokes has an answer, I would be interested in seeing it.”

It’s here. Almost all the adjustment complaint re USHCN is about TOBS – it’s the biggest. And the reason it ups the trend is well documented. Observers shifted over time from evening to morning observation. You can count them. Evening obs double counts warm afternoons – a warm bias. Morning tends to double count cold mornings (though less so, at 9 or 10 am). So the past had been artificially warmed. Adjusting “cools” it.

Latitude
June 26, 2014 3:23 pm

[combative snark serving no other purpose -mod]

dorsai123
June 26, 2014 3:38 pm

educated as an engineer and find much of this statistics talk eye rolling boring … funny thing about engineering … not much use for statistics … a bridge that is safe to 95% confidence is not a bridge but a death trap …
It all comes down to data … and you don’t have any … what you have is 3rd hand massaged nonsense … even your new paper will just be putting lipstick on a pig …
you should spend your time making sure that the world knows its ALL BS not just 60% of the sites …

Chuckarama
June 26, 2014 3:41 pm

Fantastic series on issues of temperature data. Now you need to do part 3 on what the issues with satellite temp data are.

David
June 26, 2014 3:41 pm
u.k.(us)
June 26, 2014 3:56 pm

Steven Mosher says:
June 26, 2014 at 3:02 pm
“REPLY: While it is tempting, as you know I’ve been burned twice by releasing data prior to publication. Once by Menne in 2009 (though Karl made him do it) and again by the your boss at BEST, Muller, who I had an agreement with in writing (email) not to use my data except for publishing a paper. Two weeks later he was parading it before Congress and he came up with all sorts of bullshit justification for that. I’ll never, ever, trust him again.
My concern is that you being part of BEST, that “somehow” the data will find its way back to Muller again, even if you yourself are a man of integrity. Shit happens, but only if you give it an opportunity and I’m not going to. Sorry. – Anthony”
very simply I will sign a licence with substantial penalties. lets say
a million dollars.
Lets make it even simpler. Choose only 30 CRN12 and 30 CRN5
Now, since there were maps of the station locations in your original materials, reverse engineering it by digitizing wasnt that hard. Still hacking around to get it is not my style.
I rather do things above board.
REPLY: $1mil ? That would be even more tempting, if it were a real offer, but I know you can’t come up with a million dollars, so why even offer it? It’s insulting. – Anthony
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So, now it is a pissing contest ?

MikeN
June 26, 2014 3:59 pm

I think you need to acount for the possibility that global warming will primarily take effect at night. So warmer Tmin vs neutral TMax is not nevessarily a contradiction.

Latitude
June 26, 2014 4:11 pm

[suggest you resubmit the question without the combative snark either you are interested in an answer or you want to pile on -mod]

Rob Dawg
June 26, 2014 4:13 pm

The world population of people living in urban areas is increasing roughly 1/2 percent per year. These people are transitioning from exurban to cenurban UHI areas and it should be no surprise they have personal experience with rising temperatures. Perceptual bias is not a reliable observation.
Let me give a simplified example. Ten bus routes. Nine carry one passenger per hour. One carries 20. Poll all riders and ask how many people are riding the bus. Answer: 29. Observation survey: 9 people say 1. 20 people say 20.

June 26, 2014 4:14 pm

Anthony, I cannot warn you enough on this. Do not give Mr. Mosher any pre-published data, his only intention is to find anything he can distort to make you look bad. This will then be used in a massive PR blitz against you by all the usual suspects. I have no idea why anyone entertains what he has to say. The only skeptics I am interested in hearing about your project from is yourself and Steve McIntyre.

Latitude
June 26, 2014 4:17 pm

So, now it is a pissing contest ?
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UK, it’s very important information to a lot of people…and it’s the root of all temp reconstructions
If rural stations are closing and they are infilling with urban stations….

Nick Stokes
June 26, 2014 4:24 pm

Mark Stoval (@MarkStoval) says: June 26, 2014 at 3:02 pm
“Massive Temperature Adjustments At Luling, Texas”

Something odd has happened at Luling. Here is the BEST analysis. They show data to Sep 2013, but in the plot of temp relative to regional expectations, there is a sudden drop of about 2°C. It seems that this has alarmed the USHCN algorithm, and they have replaced obs with regional expectation pending further information. So of course there is a big “adjustment”. That’s how errors are found.
It may be that the Luling obs are correct. Time will tell.

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