On 'denying' Hockey Sticks, USHCN data, and all that – part 1

Part 2 is now online here.

One of the things I am often accused of is “denying” the Mann hockey stick. And, by extension, the Romm Hockey stick that Mann seems to embrace with equal fervor.

While I don’t “deny” these things exist, I do dispute their validity as presented, and I’m not alone in that thinking. As many of you know Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick, plus many others have extensively debunked statistics that went into the Mann hockey stick showing where errors were made, or in some cases known and simply ignored because it helped “the cause”.

The problem with hockey stick style graphs is that they are visually compelling, eliciting reactions like whoa, there’s something going on there! Yet, oftentimes when you look at the methodology behind the compelling visual you’ll find things like “Mike’s Nature Trick“. The devil is always in the details, and you often have to dig very deep to find that devil.

Just a little over a month ago, this blog commented on the hockey stick shape in the USHCN data set which you can see here:

2014_USHCN_raw-vs-adjusted

The graph above was generated by” Stephen Goddard” on his blog and it generated quite a bit of excitement and attention.

At first glance it looks like something really dramatic happened to the data, but again when you look at those devilish details you find that the visual is simply an artifact of methodology. Different methods clearly give different results and the”hockey stick” disappears when other methods are used.

USHCN-Adjustments-by-Method-Year

The graph above is courtesy of Zeke Hausfather Who co-wrote that blog entry with me. I should note that Zeke and I are sometimes polar opposites when it comes to the surface temperature record. However, in this case we found a point of agreement. That point was that the methodology gave a false hockey stick.

I wrote then:

While Goddard’s code and plot produced a mathematically correct result, the procedure he chose (#1 The All Absolute Approach) comparing absolute raw USHCN data and absolute finalized USHCN data, was not, and it allowed non-climatic differences between the two datasets, likely caused by missing data (late reports) to create the spike artifact in the first four months of 2014 and somewhat overstated the difference between adjusted and raw temperatures by using absolute temperatures rather than anomalies.

Interestingly, “Goddard” replied and comments with a thank you for helping to find the reason for this hockey stick shaped artifact. He wrote:

stevengoddard says:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/10/spiking-temperatures-in-the-ushcn-an-artifact-of-late-data-reporting/#comment-1632952  May 10, 2014 at 7:59 am

Anthony,

Thanks for the explanation of what caused the spike.

The simplest approach of averaging all final minus all raw per year which I took shows the average adjustment per station year. More likely the adjustments should go the other direction due to UHI, which has been measured by the NWS as 8F in Phoenix and 4F in NYC.

Lesson learned. It seemed to me that was the end of the issue. Boy, was I wrong.

A couple of weeks later in e-mail Steven Goddard circulated a new graph with a hockey stick shape which you can see below. He wrote to me and a few others on the mailing list this message:

Here is something interesting. Almost half of USHCN data is now completely fake.

Goddard_screenhunter_236-jun-01-15-54

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/more-than-40-of-ushcn-station-data-is-fabricated/

After reading his blog post I realized he had made a critical error and I wrote back an e-mail the following:

This claim: “More than 40% of USHCN final station data is now generated from stations which have no thermometer data.”

Is utterly bogus.

This kind of unsubstantiated claim is why some skeptics get called conspiracy theorists. If you can’t back it up to show that 40% of the USHCN has stopped reporting, then don’t publish it.

What I was objecting to was the claim if 40% of the USHCN network was missing – something I know from my own studies to be a false claim.

He replied back with a new graph and the strawman argument and a new number:

The data is correct.

Since 1990, USHCN has lost about 30% of their stations, but they still report data for all of them. This graph is a count of valid monthly readings in their final and raw data sets.

Goddard_screenhunter_237-jun-01-16-10

The problem  was, I was not disputing the data, I was disputing the claim that 40% of USHCN stations were missing and had “completely fake” data (his words).  I knew that to be wrong. So I replied with a suggestion.

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Anthony  wrote:

I have to leave for the rest of the day, but again I suggest you take this post down, or and the very least remove the title word “fabricated” and replace it with “loss” or something similar.
Not knowing what your method is exactly, I don’t know how you arrived at this, but I can tell you that what you plotted and the word “fabricated” don’t go together they way you envision.
Again, we’ve been working on USHCN for years, we would have noticed if that many stations were missing.
Anthony

Later when I returned, I noted a change had been made to Goddard’s blog post. The word “fabrication” remained but made a small change with no mention of it to the claim about stations. Since I had open a new browser window I had the before and after that change which you can see below:

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/goddard_before.png

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/goddard_after.png

I thought it was rather disingenuous to make that change without noting it, but I started to dig a little deeper and realized that Goddard was doing the same thing he was before when we pointed out the false hockey stick artifact in the USHCN; he was performing a subtraction on raw versus the final data.

I then knew for certain that his methodology wouldn’t hold up under scrutiny, but beyond doing some more private e-mail discussion trying to dissuade him from continuing down that path, I made no blog post or other writings about it.

Four days later, over at Lucias blog “The Blackboard” Zeke Hausfather took note of the issue and wrote this post about it: How not to calculate temperature

Zeke writes:

The blogger Steven Goddard has been on a tear recently, castigating NCDC for making up “97% of warming since 1990″ by infilling missing data with “fake data”. The reality is much more mundane, and the dramatic findings are nothing other than an artifact of Goddard’s flawed methodology.

Goddard made two major errors in his analysis, which produced results showing a large bias due to infilling that doesn’t really exist. First, he is simply averaging absolute temperatures rather than using anomalies. Absolute temperatures work fine if and only if the composition of the station network remains unchanged over time. If the composition does change, you will often find that stations dropping out will result in climatological biases in the network due to differences in elevation and average temperatures that don’t necessarily reflect any real information on month-to-month or year-to-year variability. Lucia covered this well a few years back with a toy model, so I’d suggest people who are still confused about the subject to consult her spherical cow.

His second error is to not use any form of spatial weighting (e.g. gridding) when combining station records. While the USHCN network is fairly well distributed across the U.S., its not perfectly so, and some areas of the country have considerably more stations than others. Not gridding also can exacerbate the effect of station drop-out when the stations that drop out are not randomly distributed.

The way that NCDC, GISS, Hadley, myself, Nick Stokes, Chad, Tamino, Jeff Id/Roman M, and even Anthony Watts (in Fall et al) all calculate temperatures is by taking station data, translating it into anomalies by subtracting the long-term average for each month from each station (e.g. the 1961-1990 mean), assigning each station to a grid cell, averaging the anomalies of all stations in each gridcell for each month, and averaging all gridcells each month weighted by their respective land area. The details differ a bit between each group/person, but they produce largely the same results.

Now again, I’d like to point out that Zeke and I are often polar opposites when it comes to the surface temperature record but I had to agree with him on this point; the methodology created the artifact. In order to properly produce a national temperature gridding must be employed, using the raw data without gridding will create various artifacts.

Spatial interpolation (gridding) for a national average temperature would be required in a constantly changing dataset, such as GHCN/USHCN, no doubt, gridding is a must. For a guaranteed quality dataset, where stations will be kept in the same exposure, producing reliable data, such as the US Climate Reference Network (USCRN), you could in fact use the raw data as a national average and plot it. Since it is free of the issues that gridding solves, it would be meaningful as long as the stations all report, don’t move, aren’t encroached upon, and don’t change sensors- i.e. the design and production goals of USCRN.

Anomalies aren’t necessarily required, they are an option depending on what you want to present. For example NCDC gives an absolute value for the national average temperature in their State of the Climate report each month, they also give a baseline and the departure anomaly from that baseline for both CONUS and Global temperature.

Now let me qualify that by saying that I have known for a long time that NCDC uses in filling of data from surrounding stations as part of the process of producing a national temperature average. I don’t necessarily agree with their methodology as being perfect, but it is a well-known issue and what Goddard discovered was simply a back door way of pointing out that the method exists. It wasn’t news to me and to many others who have followed the issue.

This is why you haven’t seen other prominent people in the climate debate ( Spencer, Curry, McIntyre, Michaels, McKitrick) and even myself make a big deal out of this hockey stick of data difference that Goddard has been pushing. If this were really an important finding you can bet they and yours truly would be talking about it and providing support and analysis.

It’s also important to note that Goddards graph  does not represent a complete loss of data from these stations. The differencing method that Goddard is using detects every missing data point from every station in the network. This could be as simple as one day of data missing in an entire month, or a string of days, or even an entire month which is rare. Almost every station in the USHCN at one time or another is missing some data. One exception might be the station at Mohonk Lake, New York which has a perfect record due to a dedicated observer, but has other problems related to siting.

If we were to throw out an entire month’s worth of observations because one day out of 31 is missing, chances are we’d have no national temperature average at all. So the method was created to fill in missing data from surrounding stations. In theory and in a perfect world this would be a good method, but as we know the world is a messy place, and so the method introduces some additional uncertainty.

The National Cooperative Observer network a.k.a. co-op is a mishmash of widely different stations and equipment. the co-op network is a much larger set of stations than the USHCN. The USHCN is a subset of the larger co-op network comprising some 8000 stations around the United States. Some are stations in Observer’s backyards, or at their farms, some are at government entities like fire stations and Ranger stations, some are electronic ASOS systems at airports. The vast majority of stations are poorly sited as we have documented using the surface station project, by our count 80% of the USHCN as poorly sited stations.  The real problem is with the micro-site issues of the stations. this is something that is not effectively dealt with in any methodology used by NCDC. We’ll have more on that later but I wanted to point out that no matter which data set you look at (NCDC, GISS, HadCRUT, BEST) the problem of station siting bias remains and is not dealt with. for those who don’t know NCDC provides the source data for the other interpretations of the surface temperature record, so they all have it. More on that later, perhaps in another blog post.

When it was first created the co-op network was done entirely on paper forms called B – 91’s. the observer would write down the daily high and low temperatures along with precipitation for each day of the month and then at the end of the month mail it in. An example B-91 form from Mohonk Lake, NY is shown below:

mohonk_lake_b91_image

Not all forms are so well maintained. Some B-91 forms have missing data, which can be due to the observer missing work, having an illness, or simply being lazy:

Marysville_B91

The form above is missing weekends because the secretary at the fire station doesn’t work on weekends and the firefighters aren’t required to fill in for her. I know this having visited this station and I interviewed the people involved.

So, in such an imperfect “you get what you pay for” world of volunteer observers, you know from the get-go that you are going to have missing data, and so, in order to be able to use any of these at all, a method had to be employed to deal with it, and that was infilling of data. This has been a process done for years, long before Goddard “discovered” it.

There was no nefarious intent here, NOAA/NCDC isn’t purposely trying to “fabricate” data as Goddard claims, they are simply trying to be able to figure out a way to make use of it at all.  The word “fabrication” is the wrong word to use, as it implies the data is being plucked out of thin air. It isn’t – it is being gathered from nearby stations and used to create a reasonable estimate. Over short ranges one can reasonably expect daily weather (temperature at least, precip not so much) to be similar assuming the stations are similarly sited and equipped but that’s where another devil in the details exists.

Back when I started the surfacestations project, I noted one long-period well sited station, Orland was in a small sea of bad stations, and that its temperature diverged markedly from its neighbors, like the horrid Marysville Fire station where the MMTS thermometer was directly next to asphalt:

marysville_badsiting[1]

Orland is one of those stations that reports on paper at the end of the month. Marysville (shown above) reported daily using the touch-tone weathercoder, so its data was available by the end of each day.

What happens in the first runs of the NCDC CONUS temperature process is that they end up with mostly the airports ASOS stations and the weathercoder stations. The weathercoder reporting stations tend to be more urban than rural since a lot of observers don’t want to make long distance phone calls. And so in the case of missing station data on early in the month runs, we tend to get a collection of the poorer sited stations. The FILNET process, designed to “fix” missing data goes to work, and starts infilling data.

A lot of the “good” stations don’t get included in the early runs, because the rural observers often opt for a paper form mailed in rather than the touch-tone weathercoder, and those stations have data infilled from many of the nearby ones, “polluting” the data.

And we have shown back in 2012, those stations have a much lower century scale trend than than the majority of stations in the surface network. In fact, by NOAA’s own siting standards, over 80% of the surface network is producing unacceptable data and that data gets blended in.

Steve McIntyre noted that even in good stations like Orland, the data gets “polluted” by the process:

http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/29/orland-ca-and-the-new-adjustments/

So, imagine this going on for hundreds of stations, perhaps even thousands early on in the month.

To the uninitiated observer, this “revelation” by Goddard could look like NCDC is in fact “fabricating” data. Given the sorts of scandals that have happened recently with government data such as the IRS “loss of e-mails”, the padding of jobs and economic reports, and other issues from the current administration I can see why people would easily embrace the word “fabrication” when looking at NOAA/NCDC data. I get it. Expecting it because much of the rest of the government has issues doesn’t make it true though.

What is really going on is that the FILNET algorithm, design to fix a few stations that might be missing some data in the final analysis is running a wholesale infill on early incomplete data, which NCDC pushes out to their FTP site. The process gets to be less and less as the month goes on, as more data comes in.

But over time, observers have been less inclined to produce reports, and attrition in both the USHCN and and the co-op network is something that I’ve known about for quite some time having spoken with hundreds of observers. Many of the observers are older people and some of the attrition is due to age, infirmity, and death. You can see what I’m speaking of my looking through the quarterly NOAA co-op newsletter seen here: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/coop/coop_newsletter.htm

NOAA often has trouble finding new observers to take the place of the ones they have lost, and so, it isn’t a surprise that over time we would see the number missing data points rise. Another factor is technology many observers I spoke with wonder why they still even do the job when we have computers and electronics that can do the job faster. I explained to them that their work is important because automation can never replace the human touch. I always thank them for their work.

The downside is that the USHCN and is a very imperfect and heterogeneous network and will remain so; it isn’t “fixable” at an operational level, so statistical fixes are resorted to. That has both good and bad influences.

The newly commissioned USCRN will solve that with its new data gathering system, some of its first data is now online for the public.

USCRN_avg_temp_Jan2004-April2014

Source: NCDC National Temperature Index time series plotter

Since this is a VERY LONG post, it will be continued…in part 2

In part 2 I’ll talk about things that we disagree on and the things we can find a common ground on.

Part 2 is now online here.

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Alexej Buergin
June 25, 2014 3:49 pm

Can anybody tell me which version of the temperatures in Reykjavik in the year 1940 is the correct one (maybe the two Tonys can agree at least on this one)?

Mike T
June 25, 2014 4:09 pm

more soylent green! says:
June 25, 2014 at 12:39 pm
What else is wrong here – phone, paper, transcribed — seriously, what century are we living in? I guess we know the government can’t build websites, so I shouldn’t be so surprised.
You have to remember that most of these observers are volunteers, and may not be comfortable with “new technology”. Also, means to transmit data in real time cost money, unless some way can be found to do it online (which, after a fashion, is what is happening in Australia).
An earlier comment was made about averages. I’m not a statistician, but from what I remember about calculating means is that they are always calculated to one decimal place more than the data being averaged. Since meteorological instruments such as thermometers are read to one decimal place (at least in this country, where we use Celcius) the mean would be to two. I guess US stations that may be read to one degree F would be averaged as if the the reading was “.0”, don’t know. It does seem counter-intuitive to come up with a mean figure which is more precise than the actual readings. In the case of monthly averages, they would be calculated to two decimal places and then rounded- for coding purposes to a whole number if required, rounded to the odd, so 28.5C would become 29C.
I have a concern about older data being massaged, especially if they end up colder than present readings, since there is a difference between manually read and electronic thermometers, in that maximum thermometers read slightly lower max temps than electronic probes: if any modifications were required, I’d have thought that older temps should be warmed slightly, not cooled, to compare with modern instrumentation.

NikFromNYC
June 25, 2014 4:25 pm

David Riser muses: “While Mr. Goddard may be a bit over the top at times, his basic message is sound….”
No, his basic message is that the government is using the CIA to brainwash children into killing their classmates in order to promote gun control.
MUST I REPEAT THAT AGAIN?
His main commenters include a convicted daughter/son rapist who continually spams his site nearly every day of the week, the *second* most popular skeptical blog, with bizarre World War Three scenarios about nuclear science conspiracies and an iron sun, and another of his main commenters publishes books about fractal coastlines containing animal figures that match star constellations in a way that proves that ancient gods played sandbox with Earth in order to get our attention. His other message is that mainstream *skeptics* are conspiring to enable climate alarm. He is a classic paranoid egomaniac who is acting like a guru for a parade of freaks that now includes as his bulldog one of the most politically divisive right wing activists of all time, Jim Robinson of FreeRepublic.com whose forum is regularly used to negatively stereotype conservatives as being bigots, since most of his commenters are exactly that, as revealed by a Twitter account that archives the best of the worst there:
https://twitter.com/FreeRepublicTXT
I have never been so viciously attacked as by Goddard’s new pet Robinson who repeatedly dubbed me “-=NikFromBellevue=-” without any moderation by Goddard. When I defended myself, Goddard banned me outright as others taunted me for not “daring” to reply, all for asking for a few before/after station plots as Goddard claimed data was being fabricated. I wanted to clarify his claim so that perhaps I could create one of my infographics about it, but his claim evaporated instead, as it did before, except this time he got serious media attention for his hacked together claim, setting skepticism back profoundly, making us no better than hockey stick promoters except we lack enough academic affiliation to support us.
What a terrible fiasco this Goddard fool has become.
-=NikFromNYC=-, Ph.D. in carbon chemistry (Columbia/Harvard)

Latitude
June 25, 2014 4:32 pm

Nik…you have been thread bombing Goddard’s site for months….Goddard asked you for over a week to please stop thread bombing….he warned you for days that he would ban you if you didn’t stop….you ramped it up
and he finally banned you
..now take his pictures off your mirror, go out and get some air

Latitude
June 25, 2014 4:36 pm

Alexej Buergin says:
June 25, 2014 at 3:49 pm
Can anybody tell me which version of the temperatures in Reykjavik in the year 1940 is the correct one (maybe the two Tonys can agree at least on this one)?
=====
It’s somewhere between Arctic and tropical…..
The animation below flashes between GISS V2 and V3
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/iceland-1.gif

James Strom
June 25, 2014 4:40 pm

talldave2 says:
June 25, 2014 at 1:11 pm
Thanks for that link, which I repeat:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/21/thirteen-years-of-nasa-data-tampering-in-six-seconds/
That’s four adjustments of a data set, with the warming trend increasing each time. It would seem NASA has a lot of explaining to do, though I wouldn’t a priori rule out some valid reason. I would also point out that the underlying data is in the form of anomalies, so you don’t always need absolute temperatures to expose questionable adjustments.

June 25, 2014 4:47 pm

… now take his pictures off your mirror, go out and get some air
That was funny; enjoyed that line. I am reminded of the crack by Mencken that you could drag an idiot through the university and confer a Ph.D on him, but he will still be an idiot. (from memory and not an exact quote)

Scott Scarborough
June 25, 2014 4:58 pm

Goddard often quotes Hansen in 1999 as saying that there has been no global warming in the US and then shows a GISS plot from 1999 showing no warming. Then Goddard shows a GISS plot from 2003 where the historical data has changed and there is a record of warming. Is this true or not? If it is true, how do you explain it? (Goddard apparently has an explanation but you don’t like it. What is your explanation?).

June 25, 2014 5:23 pm

“Goddard often quotes Hansen in 1999 as saying that there has been no global warming in the US and then shows a GISS plot from 1999 showing no warming. Then Goddard shows a GISS plot from 2003 where the historical data has changed and there is a record of warming. Is this true or not?”
I started to follow AGW science and politics on a daily basis circa 2007. Back in those ancient times one curiosity we were all aware of was that the US land temps did not show any warming trends.
The explanation for this, no doubt, is that adjustments have corrected errors and biases in earlier records.

David Riser
June 25, 2014 5:28 pm

Nik,
Calm down, when you rant it kind of ruins your message. Your obviously upset and exaggerating a bit. The internet is pretty full of nuts and they spill out all over, Mr. Goddard is hardly a nut. He does pretty good work and he communicates, if you’re civil. Its kind of hard to paint any particular blog based on who a few commenters are, in the US you are allowed your opinion and free speech is mostly protected.
I would suggest not commenting when your emotionally compromised, give it some time and write calmly and deliberately. So for example you spout out about Mr. Goddard’s basic message. I don’t doubt that there are people who do believe what you ascribe as Mr. Goddard’s basic message, but I am reasonably sure that nothing of the sort was authored by Steve Goddard. So trying to tie a lie to someone ruins your own credibility. Using various search techniques with the words that you ascribe to Steve Goddard, you come across some gun control discussions, which is a valid political topic with many reasonable people on both sides. You can find a few articles about brainwashing children about CAGW. Honestly the alarmists are trying to brainwash everyone, fortunately their track record is pretty bad and somehow climate alarmism is like bottom of the worry totem pole. Nothing though about school shootings or any other recombination of your ascribed basic message.
Painting everyone, particularly the author, posting/commenting on a blog based on a few individuals who may post there is not a valid. It is a common straw man argument so I really am not going to go into details on all the silliness that involves. Blogs have to moderate and ban primarily when you violate the stated rules of the blog which is a basic right of the author, to make and hold the rules sacred. Sometimes they get overrun but mostly they don’t.
Fastest way to being banned at most sites is being uncivil, and or attacking. Soooo I am not surprised you have been banned by Steve Goddard based on your frequent comments about Steve Goddard.
Anyhow Nik have a nice night.
v/r,
David Riser

Jimmy Finley
June 25, 2014 6:17 pm

So, it seems the answer is to fire the people who get paid far more than they are worth to mess with these data. Who cares what a bunch of ill-sited or otherwise compromised thermometers say (or don’t say) about the temperature? If one is going to do it, do it right, and this miss-mash of crap is not right. And when I see Hansen’s chart from the 90’s, now misshaped to make the 1930s – you know, that time when a majority of the US temperature records were set –
look like some period of the Little Ice Age – my blood boils. Burn the house down. If it is so important, rebuild it. Until then, I am sick and tired of seeing Anthony Watts in bed with Zeke/Mosh (who else was named in one screed above?) defending a bullshit agglomeration of data, that then lends itself to manipulation by people who are, at the very best, there to ingratiate themselves with the warmists, and at the worst, are fueling the fires that will burn away the freedoms and defense against tyrannical rule that the IPCC, United Nations as a whole, and this American administration long to impose. Enough!
REPLY: Mr. Finley, first, calm down before you blow a blood vessel. Second. This isn’t about “Anthony Watts in bed with Zeke/Mosh (who else was named in one screed above?)”. It is about what is true and correct and in my opinion, “Goddard” is not true nor correct in this instance, and he has made it harder for climate skeptics to be taken seriously with this particular claim. There are plenty of real, quantifiable, verifiable, issues with the surface temperature record that can be criticized, (see part 2 when it is published) and if this was one of them you can bet I’d be out there talking about it in a positive way. As it stands, all I can do is muster my personal integrity to say that this particular claim is wrong, and why. Note Steve McIntyre’s comments upstream as well.
Feel free to be as upset as you wish, but I call them as I see them. – Anthony

Latitude
June 25, 2014 6:27 pm

“I was disputing the claim that 40% of USHCN stations were missing and had “completely fake” data (his words)”
“The differencing method that Goddard is using detects every missing data point from every station in the network. This could be as simple as one day of data missing in an entire month, or a string of days, or even an entire month which is rare. Almost every station in the USHCN at one time or another is missing some data”
=====
…would you say that at any given moment, 40% of the stations are missing data?
If 40% of the stations always report late, or don’t report at all…then at any given moment, 40% of the stations would have missing data…………Goddard has made it clear that he considers infilling “completely fake” data…I tend to agree

NikFromNYC
June 25, 2014 7:17 pm

Now the lefty political blogs are running with this fiasco that Goddard provided the fuel for, making Gavin my lazy lights-out-by-nine neighbor even more quotably famous:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/25/steve-doocy/foxs-doocy-nasa-fudged-data-make-case-global-warmi/
Lattitude, posting comments with real thought-out content in no way amounts to “thread bombing” nor has Goddard ever even suggested the term. I have no book to sell, no blog to promote, no crackpot theory whatsoever to publicize. I added value there as far as I could over the years and tried to explain to the crowd an Upper West Side perspective in which whole scientific bodies are still sincerely but somewhat bizarrely promoting climate alarm, especially locating a very relevant Climategate e-mail about adjusting away the 1940s “blip” that supported Goddard’s legitimate claim that midcentury cooling that led to a new ice age scare has been erased.
What *actually* happened, gossip-wise, was that after his initial adjustment hockey stick correction, Goddard launched into a face-saving doubling down on a new zombie station claim and so I asked for details of his overall flowchart of procedure in deriving it. For this I was attacked en masse and then banned when I publicly concluded that Goddard has become a sensationalistic charlatan. Thread bombing is the stuff of agenda-laden promoters whereas my only agenda is making the best infographics to educate laypersons in skepticism and help expose a perceived fraud. Instead of a blog of insider compatriots and chummy buddies I just use an iPhone to reach out to worldwide news sites, and lately youth culture icon VICE magazine where moderation is slight, unlike for most lefty rags.
I used to be much more active, online, once spending a flurry of 16 hours a day for a solid eight months, around 2010, after I wanted to see some justice in this world finally. I both enjoyed Goddard’s blog as an emotional pit stop and then suffered it very much as I actually did real outreach into more liberal territory after my earlier blanketing of conservative blogs. I’m surrounded daily by thousands of evil climate alarmists and find that they are merely concerned dupes instead of klimate komrads after all, and I’m afraid the only fanaticism you will accurately label me with is fanatical normality given my old school science background along with Midwestern American roots.
Until skeptics loudly condemn a registered child rapist crackpot as the main commenter on the second most popular skeptical blog that features child killing conspiracy theories, you yourselves stand convicted of antisocial fanaticism that is willfully divorced from civil society.
You think his blog is just a few plots? No, it’s CIA plots! Please imagine what a layperson sees there on first and second inspection, for that is its cultural effect, one that will strongly reflect upon all skeptics.
The local West Side Rag online newspaper has *not* censored even my most impassioned condemnations of climate alarm. On the other hand, Goddard banned me even early on, rationing my account to a single post a day, then with no announcement arbitrarily banned it for a week or two at a time. Witness the truly pathetic tribalism there, cheering it all on, as if such a *gross* and demonstrably incompetent hack now represents the peak genius of skeptical thought.
I say no.
“It is what Zola calls triomphe de la médiocrité. Snobs, nobodies, take the place of workers, thinkers, artists; and it isn’t even noticed. The public, yes, one part of it is dissatisfied, but material grandeur also finds applause; however, do not forget that this is merely a straw fire, and that those who applaud generally do so only because it has become the fashion. But on the day after the banquet, there will be a void a silence and indifference after all that noise.” – Vincent van Gogh (letter to Theo van Gogh, 1882)

Owen
June 25, 2014 7:19 pm

Every word that comes from Obama’s mouth regarding the climate is a lie. The people in charge of the data are doctoring it to support Obama. If they don’t they won’t have a job. Steve Goddard is on to something. To dismiss him as a crank is the same type of tactic the Climate Liars use to dismiss the skeptics. I thought we were better than that !

NikFromNYC
June 25, 2014 7:30 pm

Anthony is sucessfully herding lions and tigers and bulls and snakes and sloths and wolves and sheep and prized poodles. He seems to grok the very core of NYC, that different folk in love make a better bee hive. The alternative is war that sounds fun but never is.

braddles
June 25, 2014 7:35 pm

Statistically, using ‘infilled’ data for statistical purposes, including averages, is extremely dubious. Infilling is not data, and will create a false impression of solidity or reliability in a dataset. Statistical inferences from data with significant infilling should not be trusted.

June 25, 2014 7:38 pm

Anthony, you should double check Zeke’s work.
Using USHCN Final Tavg dated v2.5.0.20140622
July 2012 – 880 Stations have data without the E for Estimated flag.
There are 1218 stations.
27% of the July 2012 Stations are missing data.
July of 1895 has 472 station reporting Real (non-Estimated) data
61%. of the July 1895 stations are missing data.
Now remember, I am only look at the monthly records. Monthly records avoid the E flag if there are enough daily daily. It doesn’t mean there is data for every day.

Jimmy Finley
June 25, 2014 7:42 pm

Finley says:
June 25, 2014 at 6:17 pm… in response to Anthony Watts: “…Feel free to be as upset as you wish, but I call them as I see them. – Anthony…” And I do respect that. This is the ONE place I look to to see “Watts Up” regarding climate issues. I sometimes get caught up in the moment! and this was one of them. I have little idea who Goddard is, but I do know what shoddy data is, and even shoddier handling of it. We “deniers” are being held to ransom by the charts these charlatans keep “revising and updating”. The best thing for us is to dispense with them; they are at best severely compromised to be used as “the surface temperature of the United States” (whatever that means), and at worst, basically what I described above: ammo for evildoers.
I await your Part 2, and I hope some concept of how to get out of this data trap that is being used far more effectively than the words of some little-known blogger to undermine skeptical arguments.
And, I retract my derogatory words about you. I know better than that, and you deserve my apology.
It was sub-45 degrees here this morning, for about the 25th time since June 1. Maybe this is the “summer that didn’t happen” a la 1812 or 1815.
REPLY: Apology accepted, and thank you. We all have our moments – Anthony

NikFromNYC
June 25, 2014 7:51 pm

Owen, if I dare:
(A) Every word that comes from Obama’s mouth regarding the climate is a lie.
You falsely attribute intellectual omnipotence to a mere affirmative action promoted community organizer who is following the policy statements of whole scientific bodies, responsibly.
(B) The people in charge of the data are doctoring it to support Obama. If they don’t they won’t have a job. Steve Goddard is on to something.
No, Goddard is making a scene to try to vastly oversimplify human foibles, divorced from History, now exposed to mass media influence and sensationalism.
(C) To dismiss him as a crank is the same type of tactic the Climate Liars use to dismiss the skeptics. I thought we were better then that !
We are better than them only to the extent that we derate and put on probation the skeptical Michael Mann known as Goddard.

Psalmon
June 25, 2014 7:51 pm

Your blog no longer gets my vote. Shameful AW. Shameful.

Darren Potter
June 25, 2014 8:03 pm

Various parties are not comparing Apples to Apples.
To determine if there has been historic change in Temperature, only weather stations that existed 225 years ago and still exist should be compared over time. With the comparison of those stations raw data and a comparison of their data corrected for U.H.I., which passes scientific and statistical scrutiny.
Idea of comparing a few dozen weather stations of past, to thousands weather stations of decades back, to a couple hundred weather stations of present to determine change in Temperature over years is well, ManBearPig. Idea of creating weather stations / data to fill in historical gaps or make for better distribution throughout world is total HokeySchtik.

Reg Nelson
June 25, 2014 8:03 pm

This debate seems to me to be an exercise in futility.
Goddard could arguably be misguided or biased, and may have used flawed logic, but he is absolutely correct, there is missing data.
More than two thirds of the surface of the Earth is covered by oceans (71% according to the NOAA), and there is essentially no surface temperature data of any historic length or scientific significance for an area that represents, by far, the majority of the planet.
Debating whether the data from a weather station in Kalamazoo or Timbuktu is missing or needs to be adjusted; or about grid and spatial distribution is a fool’s game.
The elephant in the room trumps all.

RokShox
June 25, 2014 8:06 pm

talldave2 says June 25, 2014 at 11:55 am
“For fun I will run the analysis again next month to prove the data is arriving and take a swing at an expected correction rate.”
You don’t have to wait. Just look at Goddard’s curve. As of June 2014, the data for 2011 is still missing 25% of the actual measured data. That’s 2.5 years after the end of 2011.
And attributing nefarious intent when Goddard makes a minor change from “stations” to “data” in a figure caption is over the top. That the missing information is “data” is implicit in the fact that the ordinate on his graph is station-months.
Also, every month we get headlines about “hottest ever month in the US”, and it is obvious that these claims are based on data that NOAA must know is incomplete and warm-biased. It is fair for Goddard to point out, at least in the context of these hyped claims, that the claims are based on such incomplete and biased data.
Finally, the fact that the fast-reporting sites are urban and warm-biased suggests that the UHI adjustment is inadequate.

June 25, 2014 8:07 pm

Zeke: “The way that NCDC, GISS, Hadley, myself, Nick Stokes, Chad, Tamino, Jeff Id/Roman M, and even Anthony Watts (in Fall et al) all calculate temperatures is by taking station data, translating it into anomalies by subtracting the long-term average for each month from each station (e.g. the 1961-1990 mean)”
There are 51 stations that had 360 values without an E flag from 1961-1990.
That means only 51 out of 1218 stations have relatively complete data to use as a baseline.
WY MORAN 5 WNW USH00486440 is one of the 51
WY NEWCASTLE USH00486660 is one that failed, Only 61 months of the 260 had an E flag.
And I just looked at the E flag. There lots of other flags.

NikFromNYC
June 25, 2014 8:10 pm

[snip let’s not go there, I don’t want to derail the thread with these wild off topic things. You don’t like Goddard’s style or content, I get it, but please move on to more relevant topics – Anthony]