[The mods point out that Pamela claims to be hurting (er, hunting) only wides and fishes. Not ducks. Yet. .mod]
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Mods are underappreciated and good guys/gals….
Neil
June 1, 2014 6:42 pm
Cosmos… what has become of thee?
Venus; doctored photos of cooling towers; misrepresenting CO2 ice records… so sad to see the show like this 🙁
I would like a new survey:
How many Climate Scientists believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many Medical Doctors believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many Meteorologists believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many Scientists believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many Engineers believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many man-on-the-street people believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many politicians believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many women believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many men believe CO2 is a pollutant?
Etc.
[There are many ways the gears engage in a Freudian clutch, but none slip. .mod]
You think there are gears engaging in the clutch? I fear something important got lost in the transmission, with regards to the case of the concept transfer.
Tyson’s run a little bit of “climate change”/”global warming” every episode, but this is a full court press, with some strawman “weather isn’t climate” thrown in. He casually proclaims that the temperatures are rising exactly as the models predict they should, which is utter crap. There has been no rise for 18 years despite CO2 levels continuing to rise.
Now he’s on about green energy technology that won’t work without storage tech that doesn’t yet exist.
Someone needs to do a refutation and put it up on YouTube. This is really blatant propaganda.
The USA will meet the 30% reduction in CO2 emissions and probably exceed that figure ahead of schedule. How is that possible? Monetary collapse is unavoidable, has been for years. Soon the US Dollar will no longer be the world’s Reserve Currency. We will be living in “interesting times” like the Chinese proverb or curse, I guess. On the positive side, think how great it will be for the environment. A once great nation brought to it’s knees economically, industrially, morally, militarily and so on. (Just kidding, that could never happen.)
Steve P
June 1, 2014 10:20 pm
Anthony, your work inspires us all, and I’m amazed at & grateful for the torrent of excellent articles here at WUWT.
Neil says:
June 1, 2014 at 6:42 pm
I didn’t see it, but a quick look tells the tale
Venus’ dense atmosphere is mostly made up of carbon dioxide, with small doses of nitrogen and sulfuric acid. This composition creates a runaway greenhouse effect that bakes Venus to even hotter temperatures than the surface of Mercury, the planet closest to the sun.
http://www.space.com/26077-cosmos-tv-series-venus-climate-sunday.html
As I remember it, V e l i k o v s k y had predicted Venus would be hot because it was young, having been expelled/ejected by/from Jupiter. But Sagan countered with the argument that Venus was hot, not because it was young, but rather because its atmosphere was comprised largely of CO2, and that had led to a runaway greenhouse effect on Venus.
Later, Venus was held up as an example of what might happen on Earth because of (Kazoo chorus) runaway greenhouse effect on Earth, and that was the impending catastrophe immortalized in CAGW.
But Venus has been lying low, possibly because some have questioned any need to invoke a runaway greenhouse effect to account for hot Venus.
So now the alarmists are trotting out Venus again for the current dog & pony show meant to stir the blood of the true believers, I suppose, and provide plausible justification to his dim-witted supporters for higher energy prices down the road.
But Venus? Pure Apples & Oranges.
Eugene WR Gallun
June 1, 2014 11:39 pm
Solar roads??? Haha! This is the flying car of the 50’s. This is science fiction fantasy. Come to think of it back in the 60’s there was a splat of science fiction stories about moving roads — you stepped on them and the roads whisked you along.
Let’s face facts about environmentalists — science and economics have nothing whatsoever to do with their beliefs. I remember a motto of the 60’s — IF IT FEELS GOOD DO IT (what a disaster following that dictate turned out to be). The motto of today’s environmentalists is – IF IT FEELS GOOD BELIEVE IT. There are no real thought processes going on in most of those people.
I think at rallies of the left instead of doing a body count they should do a mind count. The size of their audiences would be vanishingly small.
Eugene WR Gallun
Patrick
June 2, 2014 6:48 am
“Eugene WR Gallun says:
June 1, 2014 at 11:39 pm”
With solar roads, I believe they have found enough sponsors (Fools easily parted with their money) and are pushing forward with thier plans. Seems to work on a small scale IMO, but arterial highways? I think not! I would not like to drive over wet glass, which is as slipery as ice.
The Anti-Malthusian
June 2, 2014 10:00 am
Can we get a thorough rebuttal going of last night’s Cosmos episode with Neil DeGas Tyson.
In case you didn’t see it, it was every global warming lie brought to life in stunning CGI. CO2 as the main driver of climate, solar and cosmic radiation having no effect, no mention of water vapor, catastrophic runaway positive feedback, the hockey stick graph was brought in at one point, and solar and wind presented as a panacea that will save us all from our own greed.
Left unanswered for, this will remain one of the most effective propaganda pieces for the warm-mongers for many years to come.
You don’t take enough time off!
Food for thought: funny how those who promote Gaia theory underestimate Earth’s ability to handle extra CO2.
Gaia is the proposition that Earth has an immune system, a regulatory system, a soul and an aura. I agree with all of those things, more or less.
So Earth will have no problem with our extra CO2. In fact it will probably be grateful.
“Can we get a thorough rebuttal going of last night’s Cosmos episode with Neil DeGas Tyson.”
GRIST Review Title: “Neil deGrasse Tyson destroys climate denial in this new video”
Who can compete with Fox and Nat Geo?
Sleepalot says:
June 1, 2014 at 2:56 pm
Open thread, old son, open thread, so:
CRY, if you want to cry
If it helps you see
If it clears your eyes
HATE, if you want to hate
If it keeps you safe
If it makes you brave
PRAY, if you want to pray
If you like to kneel
If you like to lay
–Soundgarden
Help anyone? My conversion from warmist to skeptic began with an article here on WUWT by Dr David Evans against the use of the word “denier.” Around the same time there was another article about Hubert Lamb and how he must be rolling in his grave. The WUWT search engine can’t find them, nor can google. I can’t remember the date and the archives are just too voluminous. Can anyone help me find these articles please?
[The mods point out that Pamela claims to be hurting (er, hunting) only wides and fishes. Not ducks. Yet. .mod]
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mods are underappreciated and good guys/gals….
Cosmos… what has become of thee?
Venus; doctored photos of cooling towers; misrepresenting CO2 ice records… so sad to see the show like this 🙁
Why don’t these alarmist commenters on news stories ever bring their foolishness here to WUWT for vetting?
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/05/green_energy_bad_for_budgets_a.html#incart_river
There’s 100’s of comments attacking our friend Gordon over there. The continued low brow remarks by alarmists is remarkable. Zero progress.
From Richard D on June 1, 2014 at 6:27 pm:
Best Implicit Obeisance Yet Annunciated! Good For You!
I would like a new survey:
How many Climate Scientists believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many Medical Doctors believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many Meteorologists believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many Scientists believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many Engineers believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many man-on-the-street people believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many politicians believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many women believe CO2 is a pollutant?
How many men believe CO2 is a pollutant?
Etc.
Looks like as of June 1st there is still ice on Lake Superior. You Michiganders – we need photos!
http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/lice-00.gif
From J. Philip Peterson on June 1, 2014 at 7:14 pm:
Maybe they’re busy.
Lake Superior MODIS imagery:
http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/webdata/cwops/html/modis/modis.php?region=s
Recent image, 05-30-2014 16:25GMT, low cloudiness:
http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/webdata/cwops/html/modis/modis.php?region=s&page=1&template=sub&image=t1.14150.1625.LakeSuperior.143.250m.jpg
Are those ships? Small islands? Cloud wisps? Doesn’t look much like ice.
Found in this previous comment of mine:
You think there are gears engaging in the clutch? I fear something important got lost in the transmission, with regards to the case of the concept transfer.
@ur momisugly Pamela Grey. when you get a chance for a break over winter, spend the time here. Spare bedrooms, close to mountains, rivers, lakes and sea.
http://fishing.fishandgame.org.nz/
http://www.nzfishing.com/
[Ah, but which winter is best for wine, wading, or fishing? .mod]
Tyson’s run a little bit of “climate change”/”global warming” every episode, but this is a full court press, with some strawman “weather isn’t climate” thrown in. He casually proclaims that the temperatures are rising exactly as the models predict they should, which is utter crap. There has been no rise for 18 years despite CO2 levels continuing to rise.
Now he’s on about green energy technology that won’t work without storage tech that doesn’t yet exist.
Someone needs to do a refutation and put it up on YouTube. This is really blatant propaganda.
The USA will meet the 30% reduction in CO2 emissions and probably exceed that figure ahead of schedule. How is that possible? Monetary collapse is unavoidable, has been for years. Soon the US Dollar will no longer be the world’s Reserve Currency. We will be living in “interesting times” like the Chinese proverb or curse, I guess. On the positive side, think how great it will be for the environment. A once great nation brought to it’s knees economically, industrially, morally, militarily and so on. (Just kidding, that could never happen.)
Anthony, your work inspires us all, and I’m amazed at & grateful for the torrent of excellent articles here at WUWT.
Neil says:
June 1, 2014 at 6:42 pm
I didn’t see it, but a quick look tells the tale
http://www.space.com/26077-cosmos-tv-series-venus-climate-sunday.html
As I remember it, V e l i k o v s k y had predicted Venus would be hot because it was young, having been expelled/ejected by/from Jupiter. But Sagan countered with the argument that Venus was hot, not because it was young, but rather because its atmosphere was comprised largely of CO2, and that had led to a runaway greenhouse effect on Venus.
Later, Venus was held up as an example of what might happen on Earth because of (Kazoo chorus) runaway greenhouse effect on Earth, and that was the impending catastrophe immortalized in CAGW.
But Venus has been lying low, possibly because some have questioned any need to invoke a runaway greenhouse effect to account for hot Venus.
So now the alarmists are trotting out Venus again for the current dog & pony show meant to stir the blood of the true believers, I suppose, and provide plausible justification to his dim-witted supporters for higher energy prices down the road.
But Venus? Pure Apples & Oranges.
Solar roads??? Haha! This is the flying car of the 50’s. This is science fiction fantasy. Come to think of it back in the 60’s there was a splat of science fiction stories about moving roads — you stepped on them and the roads whisked you along.
Let’s face facts about environmentalists — science and economics have nothing whatsoever to do with their beliefs. I remember a motto of the 60’s — IF IT FEELS GOOD DO IT (what a disaster following that dictate turned out to be). The motto of today’s environmentalists is – IF IT FEELS GOOD BELIEVE IT. There are no real thought processes going on in most of those people.
I think at rallies of the left instead of doing a body count they should do a mind count. The size of their audiences would be vanishingly small.
Eugene WR Gallun
“Eugene WR Gallun says:
June 1, 2014 at 11:39 pm”
With solar roads, I believe they have found enough sponsors (Fools easily parted with their money) and are pushing forward with thier plans. Seems to work on a small scale IMO, but arterial highways? I think not! I would not like to drive over wet glass, which is as slipery as ice.
Can we get a thorough rebuttal going of last night’s Cosmos episode with Neil DeGas Tyson.
In case you didn’t see it, it was every global warming lie brought to life in stunning CGI. CO2 as the main driver of climate, solar and cosmic radiation having no effect, no mention of water vapor, catastrophic runaway positive feedback, the hockey stick graph was brought in at one point, and solar and wind presented as a panacea that will save us all from our own greed.
Left unanswered for, this will remain one of the most effective propaganda pieces for the warm-mongers for many years to come.
You don’t take enough time off!
Food for thought: funny how those who promote Gaia theory underestimate Earth’s ability to handle extra CO2.
Gaia is the proposition that Earth has an immune system, a regulatory system, a soul and an aura. I agree with all of those things, more or less.
So Earth will have no problem with our extra CO2. In fact it will probably be grateful.
“Can we get a thorough rebuttal going of last night’s Cosmos episode with Neil DeGas Tyson.”
GRIST Review Title: “Neil deGrasse Tyson destroys climate denial in this new video”
Who can compete with Fox and Nat Geo?
The June 2014 Klotzback & Gray forecast is out, see it at http://tropical.atmos.colostate.edu/Forecasts/2014/june2014/jun2014.pdf
The forecast is a big stronger than other one issued in March ago.
In March ago? It’s getting late! Issued April 10.
Sleepalot says:
June 1, 2014 at 2:56 pm
Open thread, old son, open thread, so:
CRY, if you want to cry
If it helps you see
If it clears your eyes
HATE, if you want to hate
If it keeps you safe
If it makes you brave
PRAY, if you want to pray
If you like to kneel
If you like to lay
–Soundgarden
Help anyone? My conversion from warmist to skeptic began with an article here on WUWT by Dr David Evans against the use of the word “denier.” Around the same time there was another article about Hubert Lamb and how he must be rolling in his grave. The WUWT search engine can’t find them, nor can google. I can’t remember the date and the archives are just too voluminous. Can anyone help me find these articles please?