I’m traveling today, so an open thread seems useful. Some topics might be:
1. Schollenberger’s coup with SkS ratings data
2. Will Steve Goddard issue a correction, or just ignore it?
3. Why is Dr. Mann playing with fire on Twitter? Is he just being an emotional child or does he want another lawsuit? We’ve been down this path before. See: Monday Mirthiness – Watch the genesis (and retraction) of a smear.
Yet, he persists, as if he can’t help himself:
Michael Mann-child accuses @WattsUpWithThat of being paid to lie by @HeartlandInst. Example? Or just libel? pic.twitter.com/KkMfDS3rqc
— Steve Milloy (@JunkScience) May 10, 2014
Mann’s bogus claim asked and answered here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/about-wuwt/faqs/
If I’m paid (I’m not) to spout “disinformation” as Mann claims, why do I publish posts like this one and this one correcting other skeptics and true disinformation.
Of course, his hateful claim might just be misdirected rage at having been sliced and diced by McIntyre again.
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Ckiff Mass, an atmospheric sciences professor at the University of Washington, has taken the Pacific Northwest section of the National Climate Assessment and filleted it like a fish. Mass is a “middle ground” type on warming who thinks it’s happening, but who also thinks it’s exaggerated by the alarmists.
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2014/05/northwest-climate-change-did-2014.html
Dr Mann and the climate mainstream [obligatory anti-lawsuit disclaimer follows: *seem to me to have*] a “funding model” that assumes forcing under politically motivated sponsorship, such as George Soros or the MacArthur Foundation, and, and feedbacks in echo chambers such as BBC or NBC/CBS/ABC broadcast news. Variations in public opinion trends, therefore are due to OTHER well-funded forcings and media feedbacks, attributed to Koch and Exxon as counter-forcing, and Fox News and Rush Limbaugh as counter-feedback.
Or, perhaps the forcings and feedbacks don’t matter under this mental model, because they know (anti-lawsuit disclaimer: in my opinion) that “everybody lies about climate: us, them, EVERYbody!”
Natural variation is denied.
Anthony, I know it’s not your style; but if you would sue I, and doubtless thousands of others, would donate! Deal? (!)
Remember, Dr Mann’s is also speaking as a representative of Penn State (according to their own regulations), so anyone suing should also sue Penn State.
You should be careful when claiming absolute authority over what is disinformation and what is not. Those 10 points by Roy Spencer have themselves been rebuffed (and who still seemingly can’t grasp that a cooler body CANNOT make a hotter body hotter still).
“Anthony, I know it’s not your style; but if you would sue I, and doubtless thousands of others, would donate! Deal? ”
I second that motion.
Scientists like him killed my appetite for a continued career in research. How many other gifted new-comers to scientific research have left too early or never started because of these out of control madmen???
As I recall Mann is at some university in PA. As a start, how about a letter to the department
in which he teaches(?). Hard to imagine someone who recently claimed that global warming hasn’t stopped, it’s just slowed down, as being employed by a university as a faculty member. As a janitor, yes, but not as faculty. I wonder if he realizes just how sappy he appears in his photographs?
I hope Steve does follow up. He was not wrong but more information and a slightly more analytical method provides better evidence going to his basic point: the adjusted temperature record is deeply flawed and the flaws reflect an agenda. Nothing that you, Zeke and Nick have done changes that; rather you have bullet proofed Steve’s argument.
Too bad Mann didn’t have guys like you around to check his work on the Hockey Stick.
Pamela, there isn’t a field that doesn’t have jerks and liars in it.
It’s just sad that other people tend to be driven away, which lets the jerks and liars keep up their mischief, because few want to deal with them.
Law? Journalism? Auto mechanics? You name it. What degree you have or what your uniform is (three-piece, coveralls or lab coat) does not exempt your field.
Science in particular has maintained a reputation that reduced outside scrutiny (by claiming both harsh internal scrutiny and inscrutability), which allowed the weeds to flourish.
“Anthony, I know it’s not your style; but if you would sue I, and doubtless thousands of others, would donate! Deal? ”
I’d be in.
News flash: Mann says Koch money is good!
“Anthony, I know it’s not your style; but if you would sue I, and doubtless thousands of others, would donate! Deal? ”
I second that motion.
-I want in too
I vote for a legal response to Mann and his protector/enabler Penn State. Someone has to reign him in, be responsible.
The problem with tweets like Mann’s is that they become molecules of disinformation in the universe of the naive who continue to believe, and repeat. Someone, at a dinner party will say something and another will say, “Oh, but Anthony Watts is paid to do that. The Koch boys fund him…”
And another will say, “I never heard that…. I though he did it for the love, for the sport…. for the science.”
“Nope,” says person Number One. “Michael Mann knows and tweeted it. The Koch brothers fund everything Watts does….”
And, there you have it.
Stop Mann, Anthony. And, get rich at the same time. ….Lady in Red
El Nino on it’s way! Higher temperatures, more storms, more sea level rise……………….!
I would donate if you need money.
Merovign says:
May 10, 2014 at 1:47 pm
“Pamela, there isn’t a field that doesn’t have jerks and liars in it”
What makes the Mann’s of the world so toxic, odious, and deleterious is that climate science has been politicized and the far-reaching actions being taken by EPA, Energy Dept., NASA, etc., and Obama himself to “prevent” climate change/global warming are based on the poor and/or manipulated science of Mann and the rest of the Klimate Nomenklatura with Congress being ignored or bypassed. Unfortunately at this time the “jerks and liars” are controlling the narrative.
ilma630 says:
May 10, 2014 at 1:18 pm
(and who still seemingly can’t grasp that a cooler body CANNOT make a hotter body hotter still
Soo… That insulation in my attic that is cooler than my house doesn’t result in my house being hotter? As insulation is to conductive heat transfer, CO2 is to radiant heat transfer. The mechanism is hugely more complicated, but it does result in a hotter hot side, just like insulation does.
Sixty American scientists have written to Ed Davey pointing out the disastrous fallacies in his policy for biomass.
Will he listen? Do pigs fly?
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/scientists-say-daveys-biomass-policy-misguided/
I’ve just spent the afternoon reading Dana’s blog posts at The Guardian and I feel like I need a shower with disinfectant.
Why is it so hard for this guy to realize that some people aren’t motivated by money or fame?
Jay Curry points out: “Nothing that you, Zeke and Nick have done changes that; rather you have bullet proofed Steve’s argument.”
As the person who first suggested the late station reporting behind Goddard’s “adjustments” hockey stick that is now broken since it wasn’t an up-adjustment at all, merely his use of absolute temperatures instead of anomalies that are vertically re-centered along a zero line that meant that the fewer number of stations in the raw data resulted in a naturally upward spike since more absolute (in-filled) numbers were included in Steve’s final average, I agree with Curry that now that Goddard’s software itself *has* been independently verified, his overall exposure of real adjustments is stronger for it as skeptics demonstrate their admirable use of the scientific method, despite sporaric confusion, invested egos, and snickering activist hacks.
-=NikFromNYC=-, Ph.D. in chemistry (Columbia/Harvard)
Note to self: your iPhone spell checker doesn’t work here, or at best “sporarically.”